User talk:Froglich



  

High explosives and energetics
Hi Froglich, It is my understanding that high explosives are not particularly more energetic than low explosives. They explode in a shorter time (they detonate rather than deflagrate), but they do not provide significantly more energy per unit mass. In any case I explained that concern on the talk page when I added the dubious tag, so it would be good to engage the issue there rather than simply removing the tag. --Trovatore (talk) 00:13, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Croak! (Taken care of.)--Froglich (talk) 01:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Trovatore (talk) 10:15, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

George Bernard Shaw's "Jewish Question"
(Shaw) was a very complicated person who still arouses great passion. The current article is a sincere attempt by a number of editors, over a considerable length of time, to present a balanced summary of the man, while not glossing over some of his more bizarre views and sayings. Totally changing the POV of an article like this may even be justified, but please raise any questions about the current (balanced?) view, and your desire to bring us into line with (say) Conservapedia, on the talk page for the article, rather than making wholesale changes - which are bound to be reverted, if not by me then by some "friends of Shaw" who are much less critical of him than me! --Soundofmusicals (talk) 23:42, 27 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Speaking of his "bizarre views" which we should not be glossing over....
 * "We ought to tackle the Jewish question by admitting the right of States to make eugenic experiments by weeding out any strains that they think undesirable, but insisting that they do it as humanely as they can afford to..." -- (Shaw, to Beatrice Webb, February 1938) --Froglich (talk) 00:41, 28 June 2013 (UTC)


 * So bring these things up on the talk page. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 02:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That is not a requirement for editing Wikipedia.--Froglich (talk) 04:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Memory hole preservation clause
Here is the section various persons keep removing (other editors are requested to boldly revert such deletions):

Eugenics
(snip) At a meeting of the Eugenics Education Society of 3 March 1910 he suggested the need to use a "lethal chamber" to solve their problem. Shaw said:

"We should find ourselves committed to killing a great many people whom we now leave living, and to leave living a great many people whom we at present kill. We should have to get rid of all ideas about capital punishment ...A part of eugenic politics would finally land us in an extensive use of the lethal chamber. A great many people would have to be put out of existence simply because it wastes other people’s time to look after them."

Shaw also called for the development of a "deadly" but "humane" gas for the purpose of killing, many at a time, those unfit to live.

In a newsreel interview released on 5 March 1931, dealing with alternatives to the imprisonment of criminals, Shaw says

"You must all know half a dozen people at least who are no use in this world, who are more trouble than they are worth. Just put them there and say Sir, or Madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence? If you can't justify your existence, if you're not pulling your weight in the social boat, if you're not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then, clearly, we cannot use the organizations of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can't be of very much use to yourself."

The Jewish question
Shaw would publicly expound desires for "humane" extermination into the late 1930s, even as Germany was already well entrenched under the sway of Adolf Hitler (whose antisemitic autobiography Mein Kampf had been in print since 1923, and of which Shaw was still supportive of well into the War. ), with anti-Jewish legislation in prewar Nazi Germany having escalated steadily since 1933 (in accordance with the Nazi Party's "25-Step Program" published in 1920), with German Jews stripped of citizenship in 1935.

In private correspondence to the Fabian socialist Beatrice Webb on February 6, 1938, Shaw was unequivocal in defense of government-orchestrated extermination of "undesirables", but concerned with portrayal and avoidance of embarrassment: "We ought to tackle the Jewish question by admitting the right of States to make eugenic experiments by weeding out any strains that they think undesirable, but insisting that they do it as humanely as they can afford to, and not to shock civilisation by such misdemeanours as the expulsion and robbery of Einstein.""

In the wake of the Holocaust (during which the use of "humane" Zyklon B was prominent), some of Shaw's defenders would either confuse or downplay his pre-WWII statements as satirical in nature or actually mockery of the eugenics movement.

trayvon martin
I've been watching your work on the Trayvon Martin articles and I'm satisfied that you're alert to the problem of bias. You will be pleased to learn that regarding the Tea Party movement article, your suggestion regarding mention of Karl Denninger is being acted upon. The article was an enormous mess when I started working on it a few months ago. Extremely partisan and tendentious editors were trying to WP:OWN it. It had become a collection of what I describe as "Daily Kos cruft," which is a collection of negative trivia about a conservative person or group that members of progressive online communities such as DKos find amusing, but are otherwise useless. A lot of that stuff has now been chainsawed out and it's looking better. Thanks for the suggestion and you are welcome to join us. Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 14:31, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ribbit! (Thanks)

Also wanted to give some unsolicited advice re some of your edits/talk comments. We all certainly have our own beliefs as to what happened in this case, and the trial etc. In that I think we probably agree about more than we disagree. But some of your comments, while maybe true from a real world argument standpoint, are not well grounded in wikipedia policy. Fighting over the event/trial "truth" leads down a bad path for the wiki - keep the arguments based on policy, and what sources say about the event, and its much easier to hold off the barbarians. Gaijin42 (talk) 17:40, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I can do much better than "beliefs"; I have reality at my disposal: Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton is an *employee* of MSNBC. Let the meanings and portents of that sink in.
 * The problem with a policy-perfect article written by editors who aren't well-versed in the "real world" is that while what they create will look pretty, it will be a poor informative tool. Most of the problems with the Trayvon Martin article stem from just such a disparity. By mentioning various things on the Talk page, I prompt other editors to scratch their curiosity-itch. I'm actually rather pleased with the amount of truth the Shooting article contained before I arrived; I wouldn't have been surprised to find media mendacity not mentioned at all.--Froglich (talk) 18:22, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Category:Most-active volcanoes
Category:Most-active volcanoes, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 02:10, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Croak! (Nuked it myself.)--Froglich (talk) 08:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

List of topics characterized as pseudoscience and Acquittal
I don't know why you removed Maharishi Ayurveda from the List of topics characterized as pseudoscience, or the templates from Acquittal which seemed appropriate (including "For other uses, see Not guilty." but I've restored them. And please use WP:Edit summaries. I want to AGF, but normally, especially for Acquittal, I'd just revert as vandalism. Dougweller (talk) 06:42, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not delete Maharishi Ayurveda; I created a new section for Traditional Indian Medicine, and moved Maharishi Ayurveda into it. The tag on the Acquittal is a five-year old eyesore which was addressed a long time ago.--Froglich (talk) 09:19, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No, they weren't. Yes, the one source template was wrong and I've not reinstated that, but the others are still appropriate - it clearly needs more sources, it only discusses America and England and Wales so it needs globalising, and you have again removed the 'other uses' template with no explanation. I don't know of any guidelines that say that because problems haven't been addressed for 5 years you can remove the template. Dougweller (talk) 13:02, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have reverted you at the list article if you'd used an edit summary, I would have just fixed the problem with naturopathy - as it was I couldn't easily see what you'd done. Dougweller (talk) 13:23, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Naturopathy fixed.--Froglich (talk) 09:19, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Historical revisionism (negationism)
Concerning your edit on Historical revisionism (negationism): your paragraph regarding the Confederacy needs additional sources. I just saved it from deletion, but still, it needs those sources to be kept in the article. Moreover, someone put in a paragraph concerning black soldiers in the Confederate Army. Since I am not a great expert on this subject: could you have a look at it? Regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 14:50, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Croak! (Taken care of.) Thanks for alerting me to the mice playing while the cat was away. I added one reference which, IMO, is more than comprehensive (further citations could be lifted straight from its own encyclopedic footnotes). I also removed all that other editor's unsupported original research.--Froglich (talk) 23:01, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

China
See The Wrong Version

With regards to this comment on talk:Historical revisionism (negationism). WP:BURDEN is quite clear on this issue you must supply inline citations to support any text that you restore. This is a Wikipedia Policy and deliberately breaching it now that you are aware that it exists may well lead to further administrative action. This part of policy was put in place about ten years ago to stop this sort of lame edit war and force the restoring party into providing inline ciations for the text to be re-added.

There is no need for the text to exist in the article for you to add inline citations to the text. To help you I have copied the disputed text from the article Historical revisionism (negationism) see User:Froglich/sandbox -- you will find a link to it at the top of the page between Talk and Preferences. This will allow you to fully cite the material and alter it in any way you think is appropriate before it is restored into the article. -- PBS (talk) 14:48, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * If you are not familiar which how to create footnotes in an article like Historical revisionism (negationism), please read Help:Footnotes and WP:CITE. If it is still not clear to you then ask on my talk page and I will help you format inline citations to meet the requirements. -- PBS (talk) 14:54, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I know very well how to write footnotes, thank you very much. (I fell off the turnip-truck only the day before yesterday.) Regards the spat in question, the other party has rapidly exhausted my assumptions of good faith, the material he section-blanked was not in any way improper to the article, and whatever shortcomings he alleged were the cause of his dislike (over incidents happening fifty years ago, mind you, whose veracity he did not otherwise object to) could have been easily resolved by applying citation-needed tags to various passages as well as taking it to the talk page (presuming he was too busy to locate cites on his own or ignorant of how to do so, both of which I discount). He did neither. As far as the so-called edit war went, you locked it down two reverts in, giving me no time to compose said footnotes.


 * Well, at least you're not hitting me with stop-signs, so I'm grateful for that.--Froglich (talk) 18:43, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I have explained you two times my reason: the material you inserted says not a word about article subject. The word Revisionism has sevaral meanings. I also explained to you that in order to resolve a possible confusion I need citations from sources. In wikipedia we don't discuss wikipedian's opinions. We discuss sources. Therefore please bite the bullet, climb on back on the turnip-truck, and proceed with discussion in the article talk page to prove that I am wrong with facts in hand. As for my opinion on the subject, yes, Culture Revolution involved a good deal of historical revisionism, but your text said not a word about this (in my opinion). Staszek Lem (talk) 17:04, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There was nothing factually controversial in the material, and given that, a citation-needed tag would have been the most appropriate course of action on your part, as wholesale section-blanking is often construed as vandalism and reverted on-sight regardless of obliquely plausible commentary explanations.
 * Your continued rejoining in this episode despite the *easy* availability of RS supporting my position is disappointing. Let me ask you: do you intend to delete the section once again after I've added sources once the article is unlocked? No? In that case, there's little point in continuing to argue.--Froglich (talk) 02:34, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Global Warming Crap (AKA: Let's get this Stalinism out of the way)
FYI, this is a notification that all articles that discuss climate change "broadly defined" are under discretionary sanctions per the arbitration decision at WP:ARBCC. Your insistance on pushing an extremely fringe POV and using the talk page as a forum for those views is not allowed. I have reverted your comments with the edit summary WP:NOTAFORUM. The next section below also demonstrates you are WP:NOTHERE to create an encyclopedia, but to push a fringe POV. Stop it. You really do deserve a topic ban. The climate change area is a very sensitive one, and topic bans are handed out for such behavior. -- Brangifer

Hello, Froglich. This message is being sent to inform you that a discussion is taking place at Fringe theories/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. jps (talk) 05:29, 15 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I am in very good company with Harold Lewis: --Froglich (talk) 12:25, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * "...I am forced, with no pleasure at all, to offer you my resignation from the Society. It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist."

Whistling Past The Graveyard of Dope Theories Hastily Renamed by Their Fraud Guzzlers
(Pursuant the bullynazi tactics in the preceding section...)

Don't everybody freak out all at once, now; ya hear? It's only the dead rising from their restless slumber to exact their horrible vengeance. (Watching you folks have your brains clawed out by ravenous ghouls in the years to come will be the epitome of schadenfreude.)--Froglich (talk) 09:27, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Marc Morano
Froglich, Concerning the article on Marc Morano, I am looking for objective editors to help bring this article to a neutral state. I noticed that you participated a little and I would hope that you could join in on the talk page to help make this article more neutral and also rid the poor nature of the structure of the article, which is clearly not at the level of quality needed for a Bio and does not even come close to the examples of other Bio's on WP. I look forward to your help if you can. Thanks Jvaughters (talk) 20:20, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
 * As far as the Morano, et al, articles go, at this point I'd rather they were pure drivel than half-assed mediocrity. I.e., it's better that a skeptical reader be easily tipped off that he's reading tripe (and thereby simply invert everything he sees for the truth), than encounter a muddle. I have become reasonably convinced (indeed rather easily) that Wikipedia (like almost everything else subject to O'Sullivan's Law) is going to remain a spigot of carbon tax-fueled propaganda until such time as the reality of a now cooling planet (a chill which the Orwellians are straining with Herculean effort to blame on CO2) dictates that either Wikipedia collapses into laughingstock status or that the cabal of administrators responsible for jackboot tactics on these issues (see above) are bounced out. 2014 is the year Khabibullo Abdusamatov set for the beginning of the next mini ice-age back in early 2012 (and solar tepidity is proceeding right on cue), so it shouldn't take too long for things to shake out one way or the other.


 * Major cracks in the peer-reviewed IPCC blarney are also beginning to manifest, so it really is the beginning of the end of the line for them.--Froglich (talk) 05:41, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I see your point, however, we were able to get to a low end mediocrity point. I completely agree with your assessment except for one thing. It could be very long time to flesh out one way or the other. What absolutely drives me insane is the disregard for the Scientific Method and the very definition of Science. There is no place for consensus other than to advance a theory, but these folks are taking consensus as proof. Looking forward to reading the links you provided and also agree that this has the potential to collapse down on them. They certainly set themselves up for it. Jvaughters (talk) 20:31, 24 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I really liked O'Sullivan's Law, I have always had similar belief, I had no clue there was a term for it. I always described it as Natural Human Government, meaning what occurs naturally if forces are not already in place to prevent it. Good Stuff!! I was familiar with the Russian Theory through other articles, but nice to see the more direct source. I am a bit confused about IPCC blarney article. I would appreciate if you could clarify the point on that one. Thanks Jvaughters (talk) 21:57, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Cosmonauts
Re: "A history of lying will always be relevant" - Are you claiming that Tyson has a history of lying? Viriditas (talk) 21:58, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I would hardly be the first to maintain that, and long before this quote piffle. Throw his name and "lie" at Google with a custom date search before August to weed out the Bush stuff. You can even filter out climate sites and conservatives and still get a face-full of RS -- not that this place would ever entertain the least taste of it anytime soon. He's a professional blabbermouth paid to tell the plebes what their "correct" opinions should be in a colorful manner, and knows where his bread is buttered. It's served him well his entire career while more ethical unsung astros are freezing their asses off on Chilean mountaintops.--Froglich (talk) 00:21, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

The Zombie Apocalypse is here!
Oh my dear god; what's this?!? Will the horrors never end?--Froglich (talk) 11:40, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No! They're ravening for human flesh!--Froglich (talk) 06:43, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Oscar López Rivera

 * Ribbit! (There, dude.)--Froglich (talk) 06:03, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for mediation rejected

FALN a Stalinist terrorist group that ...
I suggested just changing to FALN a terrorist group. I am not disagreeing with you entirely, but in the talk section I cite the article of Robert Bella on the surveillance (fun reading, specially when they replaced all the powder in bullets, dynamite and fuses with burnt charcoal from coconuts) that they used to capture FALN members, and they just didn't seem to spend much time on ideology. They worked really hard to avoid being followed and did not socialize together much. There was not much cafe-style ideology to these guys, they were nuts-and-bolts bombers and robbers. Just a suggestion. Rococo1700 (talk) 02:46, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * While the average recruit in these terrorist groups was dumber than a box of hair, the ringleaders knew what they wanted; and what they wanted was "Implementation of the Stalinist ideological position." As such, I see no reason not to take them at face value.[/i], particularly in hindsight with the knowledge that an eventual dictatorship (in the Stalinist mold) is what was "implemented" in every case other violent groups similar to the FALN managed succssful putsches during the Cold War. ...This is also why I'm altering the various unqualified "nationalist" references; as claiming to be nationalists was a base propaganda position for the myriad violent groups attempting to turn their locales into Soviet satellites. (To make a contemporary analogy -- aside from the obvious Ukrainian one in which all of the "Nationalists" are on Putin's payroll -- it'd be as if an Islamist terrorist group seeking to impose Shari'a were to claim it was "nationalist".)--Froglich (talk) 06:44, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * (Onlookers note that "Stalinist" has now been changed to "Marxist-Leninist".)--Froglich (talk) 01:05, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

May Day Dissembling
This is your only warning; if you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory content into an article or any other Wikipedia page again, as you did at Alejandrina Torres, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Jmundo (talk) 15:11, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've asked the editor who gave you this warning to explain it. Maybe you are clear what it was for, but I'm not, nor do I see how it can be justified as an 'only warning'. Dougweller (talk) 18:20, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The warning was for re-adding contentious info without proper secondary sources to BLP articles. He/She can use the article's discussion to seek consensus.--Jmundo (talk) 18:25, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * This person (Jmundo) is a tendentious editor who has no interest in the Wikipedia project aside from his unwavering constant of butchering historical articles toward a propaganda perspective devoid of either factual or stylistic merit. -- That the FALN was a Marxist-Leninist terrorist organization (indeed an archetypical one) is not contentious, that supporting sources exist is not an issue (I just added three more references, all easily found given the large body of scholarly work in the area; I could easily add a dozen more) and that the various convicted FALN members would not otherwise meet Wikipedia's notability requirements sans their role in the FALN is also not contentious -- therefore their active participation in said organization (and subsequent conviction) is properly placed in the lede of their articles, not buried three sections down. (IMO none of these FALN personages merit individual articles, an opinion buttressed by the fact they're mainly copy-dumps of each other.) Jmundo's cut-n-paste boilerplate is simply an attempt to obfuscate and intimidate. It has also not escaped my attention that he has refrained from simultaneous reversion of the one FALN personage article (Rivera) which is more heavily trafficked by other editors unsympathetic to his position (said greater traffic resultant from the mediation request noted above).--Froglich (talk) 00:58, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Did you notice that he's accused me of tracking his edits? I haven't been of course, this page is on my watch list as you probably know. Dougweller (talk) 13:48, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Treyakov on Nuclear Winter
I will try and explain why I don't think this matter should be included in the NW article.

The point at issue is the allegation that Kondratyev, Golyitsin, et. al., fabricated data on the instructions of the KGB. Tretyakov is the only source for this allegation. You say the source is good, but controversial claims require strong sources, and Tretykov is not good here. His claim has never been corroborated - repeated, yes, but repetition is not corroboration. It is significant that Laurence Badash, who has written an academic account of the politics of nuclear winter (A Nuclear Winter's Tale, published by MIT) does not think Treyakov's claim worthy of inclusion. You mention the Mitrokhin archive, but as far as I know the fabrication of data on NW is not mentioned there. All that makes the claim WP:FRINGE.

There is also the inherent unlikelihood of the claim, which I have analysed in detail here: Kondratyev's paper, which Tretyakov says was unpublished, was in fact published by Colorado State University (Atmospheric Science Paper No.261, Fort Collins, 1976). See the link to the article here.

You say that the KGB would have overseen joint research projects; maybe, but Tretyakov does not say the research was overseen by the KGB, he says it was commissioned by the KGB, who ordered data to be fabricated. It is improbable that fabricated data could have been smuggled into a refereed publication in the West, and no-one other than Tretyakov has said it was.

You say that the fraud alleged by Tretyakov is in keeping with what we would expect from the Soviet Security Services. Sure, but that's speculation, not evidence.

As a compromise I left a summary of Tretyakov's claim on the NW page. I was disappointed to see that you did not accept it. May I suggest that you also offer a compromise? Pelarmian (talk) 11:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Given what is broadly known (via the Mitrokhin archive and the Venona project) of Soviet active measures, it is neither "controversial" nor "unlikely" when an original source (e.g., a Russian employed in state agencies) claims the KGB has manufactured//fabricated/massaged/guided/cooked/whatever data with clear propaganda value to Soviet ambitions -- because such was clearly within KGB parameters. To deny such is fringe. (At this point it is confirmed that the Soviets fronted virtually the entirety of the so-called peace movement during the Cold War, with direct asset-control of the major groups.) The idea that the KGB wouldn't have oversight of something it commissioned is absurd. Attempting to bury Soviet orchestration (per Tretyakov) in a 2007 book-publishing section was disingenuous; it properly belongs front-and-center in the timeline sequence when it occurred (1982), not when it was written about over two decades later.--Froglich (talk) 20:23, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Your edits to How to Read Donald Duck
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at How to Read Donald Duck. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism can result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. FNAS (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You're accusing the wrong editor.--Froglich (talk) 03:44, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Eleanor's seats
Saw the revert @ Eleanor_(automobile). Agreed; leaving out that bit is better to keep the article grammar in an encyclopedic form. Thanks! Cudak888 (talk) 03:25, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ribbit!--Froglich (talk) 03:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Wagnerian rock
Hello! Would you like to comment on this discussion regarding the issues at the Wagnerian rock page? If not, feel free to ignore this message. Thanks! Johnny338 (talk) 02:12, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Croak! --Froglich (talk) 04:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Of Human Feelings
Hi! Would you care to review my FA nomination for the article Of Human Feelings? The article is about a jazz album by Ornette Coleman. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 03:14, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Braap! --Froglich (talk) 06:31, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Vince Foster suicide
I don't see how my extension of the lede can be described as a political diatribe. It just summarises items from the main article, which is what a lede is for. Valetude (talk) 08:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The main bodies of "conspiracy theory" research into Foster stem from the work Hugh Sprunt, Hugh Turley, and Miguel Rodgriguez. None of these people are "right wing" politically. (Neither, for that matter, is Michael Rivero, who first noticed the discrepancy between the black revolver in an ABC News photo and the silver automatic the man owned.) *Actual* "right-wing" luminaries such as Rush Limbaugh shilled the Starr Report, as did the rank-and-file Republican political establishment (which basically coughed nervously and then leapt at the salacious Lewinsky thing instead). ...I would recommend reading the article's talk page before contributing.--Froglich (talk) 14:59, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Cowboy Bebop and MOS:AM
Hi Froglich,

I've reverted your edits to Cowboy Bebop and MOS:AM. About MOS:AM, I don't think Gabriel Yuji was confused by the old wording, and think the simpler wording was better than what you changed it to. About Cowboy Bebop, the character section was just a cast list, so Gabriel Yuji was correct in saying that it went against MOS:AM. For Cowboy Bebop, since the character section is long and detailed, it has its own article at List of Cowboy Bebop characters. There shouldn't be a separate cast list in addition to that list article, and whether or not a cast list is titled "cast" or "characters" is irrelevant to that. If you want to make a character section in Cowboy Bebop that provides a short summary of the information at List of Cowboy Bebop characters, that would probably be fine. However, such a character section should be more than just a cast list, and should probably be written in prose rather than as a table. Calathan (talk) 21:50, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You're both wrong: Either the MoS requires a character section, in which case he's wrong, or he's right, in which case the MoS is wrong in demanding a Character section in the first place. Alternatively, I'm right, and the two of you should stand back and let me fix the mess in both articles.--Froglich (talk) 21:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The new, simpler wording you've made for that section on MOS:AM seems fine to me. However, I still don't think there was confusion before, and don't think the table has a place in the Cowboy Bebop article.  As I said above, having a character section that provides a brief summary of the separate character page would be fine.  It is just listing the voice actors in a table that is problematic. Calathan (talk) 22:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * As the Cowboy Bebop edits the two of you were preferring left the article without any Character section, there is obviously confusion (note that the existence of an extended "main" article for the characters does not mandate there not be one in a show's article). If a reader wanted to know, quickly, who voiced Jet Black in the English dub, the article would not be useful to him. Thus, a table entry sums things up nicely, and is visually attractive to boot.--Froglich (talk) 22:09, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Meteotsunami
Do you have a source that establishes that the images of storm surge damage you added at meteotsunami were associated with a meteotsunami and not an ordinary storm surge? The sources don't establish that. Geogene (talk) 20:13, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Wave-train pile-up doesn't cause the oceanic water column to suddenly move laterally over the coast in a sustained rush at 30mph like a tsunami (Hurricane Ike witness in the one source, Haiyan video the other). I'm on the run at the moment, and couldn't locate a meteo paper from Google's first couple page of returns, but you may be interested in the meteotsunami / tropical cyclone reference on p87 here. Note that some media organizations refer to the inundation of the Irrawaddy by Cyclone Nargis as a meteotsunami. --Froglich (talk) 22:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Usage of Ike
I added a response on the meteotsunami talk page, please take a look, thanks! --Tfocker4 (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

WPTC
Welcome to the tropical cyclone Wikiproject! If you need any help with anything related to hurricanes, I'm happy to assist. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:07, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Re: Cape Verde hurricane
I thought about "significant" as well. Pretty much every synonym for famous is a better option haha. I could see "remarkable" or "noteworthy" being good alternatives as well. All three options work for me, so I'll leave it up to you to decide!  Auree  ★ ★  06:22, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Jennifer Lien
Hi. I've reverted your addition to the article as the image you used is a replaceable fair-use image. As Lien is a living person, it is conceivable that an unlicensed image of her could be created. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 12:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Pro-wrestling
--- Talk:Edge (wrestler) --- Will you withdraw your move proposal? There is unanimous opposition. --George Ho (talk) 08:25, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No. There's one in favor (me, the proposer), and three opposed. But of those three, two are pro-wrestling SPAs. As far as I am concerned, that makes the !vote dead even at one-one, which is hardly a groundswell for either side. Also, it's a "young" proposal. No harm in letting it stew for the full week.--Froglich (talk) 09:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If you had taken the time to research our contributions you would find that the SPA claims are baseless.LM2000 (talk) 14:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

--- Single-purpose account accusation --- Please make sure you know what you're talking about before throwing out accusations like that. Have you examined the 20,000 edits I have made over the past 8 years before making such an accusation? Are you saying that I have a lack of familiarity with Wikipedia guidelines? While I will agree that many of my edits are related to one topic, I have been active all over the encyclopedia. In making this accusation, you are, in essence, stating that I am not here to build an encyclopedia but rather to push a viewpoint in violation of guidelines. In calling me a single purpose account, you're using a loaded term that is generally reserved for new accounts who edit outside of accepted norms, guidelines, and policies. I'm expecting you to retract your statement and issue an apology to me and to the other editors involved, and I trust that you will take care of this immediately. GaryColemanFan (talk) 23:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Given that the content of your personal talk page is nearly 100% wrestling-related, I see little reason to comply with this request.--Froglich (talk) 09:20, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

No article about action lengths?
Your red linking of the words "short-action" in .308 Winchester has given me pause for thought. Everybody and his brother knows that the Mauser style action was designed as a "long-action" bolt-action rifle, all our various Remingtons, Winchesters, Savages et cetera descended from that. Somewhere else in history somebody designed shorter cartridges for leverguns and then somebody else started cutting down Mauser style actions to fit them. Then along came Kalashnikov, Stoner and others and, poof, there suddenly appeared another whole set groups of varying of action lengths such as "AR-10 length", et cetera. To further muddy the water somebody else started making leverguns to fit pistol cartridges. All at various times and places while the makers of the old black powder metallic cartridges kept on working.

But nobody has written an article. I find that idea hilarious and want to thank you for bringing it up with your red link.

So to cut off my verbosity I'm going to throw this up on the wall and see what sticks. Feel free to contribute to User:Trilobitealive/Rifle action lengths until such time that it could be moved to article space. Trilobitealive (talk) 22:31, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ribbit! (Happy to help!) ...would recommend merging whatever ideas you have into a new section of Action (firearms)."''Rifle action lengths vary widely among makers of modern cartridge rifles...'"The problem here is that the term "action" itself is not being defined, and the article will be opaque to any reader who is not a firearms enthusiast.--Froglich (talk) 05:14, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea, and possibly also a section to Bolt action, since the original term appears to be most relevant to the Mauser rifles. Whatever, I'm going to probably sit and let this percolate for a while while I look up more references and meditate on the definition in the first place since the different makers define it differently and some makers change their definition over time! If you find anything good feel free to add to the starter page in my userspace, especially if you find good sources for the definition, standard Mauser lengths et cetera. Best I've found for Mauser lengths was on a purely commercial page for a guy selling old Mausers, which won't fly on Wikipedia. Trilobitealive (talk) 01:50, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Disinfo
I see you've been editing this article. It has a list of books published but this company no longer publishes books. The book publishing has been taken over by another company, Red Wheel/Weiser/Conari. Doug Weller  talk 16:56, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's been over two years since my last contribution to that article.--Froglich (talk) 17:48, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok. Doug Weller  talk 12:00, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of Diablo sandwich for deletion
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Heckler & Koch P30
I reverted an edit. My content is by no means favourable regarding this pistol. The reader can conclude that the P30 has not met much commercial success, since only a few law enforcement agencies adopted the P30. The fact that the basic design is derived from the Heckler & Koch P2000 and Heckler & Koch USP Compact pistols is no compliment either. In the field of handguns it is rather common that a manufacturer derives a new handgun model from their previous model(s). Frankly technical advancement revolves around non spectacular suboptimisation in this field.--Francis Flinch (talk) 07:50, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

ConsumerAffairs
Thanks for removing the puffery from ConsumerAffairs. I've expanded the page to include information about the company that searchers would be interested in. Please be considerate of WP:NPOV in the future.

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Dying Breed
I see that you reverted my edit to the hatnote of Dying Breed. When intentionally linking to a disambiguation page, the link should go through the (disambiguation) redirect per WP:INTDABLINK. This allows those of us at WP:DPL (and the bots that help us) know that the link is intentional. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 18:11, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Croak... Change it back if you need to. I just think it looks ugly (and it makes it seems like I don't know how to make a "neat" link) every time a link has to wind through a redirect to get where it needs to.--Froglich (talk) 07:18, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Lehigh Defense
I assume you are going to complete this, I hope?  DGG ( talk ) 06:02, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ribbit! (Well, I added the "corp stub" tag because I'm not going to do all the work, or watch it like a hawk or anything.)--Froglich (talk) 06:16, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Elementary episodes revert
You asked a question while reverting. To help youself answer that very question, google the specific phrasing. It pops up in a number of sites, one of them an official site for the series. We don't copy content without sourcing it. It is one of those few things that will rain fire down on your head from the proverbial heavens. Plus, as someone else noted, it speculative. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:03, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Jack, you're going to have to link this allegedly "official" site. When I toss Sherlock + "hinting of troubles ahead" at Google, there are only two hits, both to bakerstreet.wikia.com (not an "official" site AFAIK), their entries of which are straight duplicates of Wikipedia. I.e, it's my edit of 05:34, 24 May 2017 that's been "plagiarized", if you want to call it that (my edit is an hour older than bakerstreet.wikia's sole edit at 06:38, May 24 for that particular episode.--Froglich (talk) 06:55, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The whole "hinting at troubles" phrase is your interpretation of the events at the end of the episode. Left out, readers, like viewers, can draw their own conclusions.  Please discuss on the talk page rather than using a source that does not address your edit to force it in.  -- -- Dr. Margi   ✉  01:36, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In all of his scenes in the season-ending episode, Sherlock is dealing with losing his memory and hallucinating (e.g., there was no fire in his apartment). #2) The source I linked (which you groused didn't actually contain the phrase "hinting of troubles ahead" even though I never used quote marks around those words) has "brain-tumor" as part of its very URL, and whose first sentence reads: "...Sunday’s finale cliffhanger, which left Sherlock possibly facing his own mortality," -- So, you don't think there's trouble ahead for Sherlock? Really? Even when the RS provided you two different ways to glean the hint?--Froglich (talk) 08:23, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * We aren't in the gleaning or deduction business here, Froglich. We do not pre-chew the text for the reader; we present the straight dope and let them draw their own conclusions. And the other editor is right; this is a discussion for the talk page. I originally came here because I didn't want to embarrass you with talk of plagiarism in a wider view of article discussion. We can continue the discussion there. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:11, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * What "embarrassing" talk of plagiarism are you referring to? -- The bit where another wiki copied my edit (the very one now removed), with you then accusing me of plagiarism when I attempted to restore my own edit? You've already been corrected on that (see my first reply in this exchange, which includes time-stamps) which I know that you have seen since you replied further. You need to come clean and acknowledge your screw-up.--Froglich (talk) 07:46, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The Catch-22 is thus as follows:
 * ...if (a), an editor duplicates exact phrasing (i.e., "presents the straight dope"), he is in violation of copyvio and/or is a plagiarist, and will be yelled at by Jack.
 * ...but if (b) he generalizes the gist of an RS (e.g., my "hinting of troubles ahead" condensation), then he's "pre-chewing the text for the reader", and will also be yelled at by Jack.
 * Therefore, the correlation between posting any expository prose to Wikipedia and being yelled at by Jack should Jack see your edits is a logically determinable 1:1. (Unless Jack is tired, yelling at someone else, or suspended at the time, in which case you might slip notice.)--Froglich (talk) 17:59, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Therefore, the correlation between posting any expository prose to Wikipedia and being yelled at by Jack should Jack see your edits is a logically determinable 1:1. (Unless Jack is tired, yelling at someone else, or suspended at the time, in which case you might slip notice.)--Froglich (talk) 17:59, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Weston A. Price Foundation
Regarding your moving content, especially in light of your edit summary, I see you've been formally notified about general sanctions in different areas , and recently. Weston A. Price Foundation falls under Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience. Please refrain from such edits, and discuss the matter instead. Thank you. --Ronz (talk) 14:20, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Your choice of phrasing implies, I think quite deliberately, to the casual reader that the Weston A. Price Foundation has been listed let alone proscribed at Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience. This is not true, and hence your presence here (accompanied by gratuitous ad homina) is dishonest. BTW, if you're still "seek(ing) adoption by an experienced editor", I would like to appoint myself to the role, with my first suggestion being that you avoid my material and my TP entirely, starting right now.--Froglich (talk) 18:17, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if anything I've written could be taken as a "gratuitous ad homina". I'm happy to refactor.
 * WP:ARBPS and WP:GS both state: Standard discretionary sanctions are authorised for all pages relating to pseudoscience and fringe science, broadly interpreted. Any uninvolved administrator may levy restrictions as an arbitration enforcement action on users editing in this topic area, after an initial warning.
 * Thank you for offering to be a mentor, but I'm afraid that I cannot accept. --Ronz (talk) 01:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I shall repeat myself: the Weston A. Price Foundation is not listed in Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience, as you implied. Your equivocation is just a smear.--Froglich (talk) 02:41, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why you keep bringing that up. "Standard discretionary sanctions are authorised for all pages relating to pseudoscience and fringe science, broadly interpreted." --Ronz (talk) 14:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand perfectly what's going on: You believe that you are entitled to "broadly interpret" that any entity is guilty of committing "pseudoscience" and/or "fringe science" whenever it suits you regardless of whether or not said entity has ever been charged with let alone found guilty of committing such in arbitration forums -- even when said entity was co-founded by a scientist with a PhD in the subject of expertise which is the entity's raison d'être (and said PhD being a datapoint I note that you find unpleasant). At this point, it really doesn't matter to me whether or not you're consciously intellectually-dishonest or merely impenetrably dumb, and since I see diminishing returns pursuing the conversation, am electing to close it.--Froglich (talk) 19:09, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You yourself brought up "fringe", and you made the edit based upon your interpretation of when and how "fringe" is defined. This is exactly what the sanctions are meant to address. --Ronz (talk) 22:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Side-dodge duly noted. You have failed, in three replies, to support your initial insinuation that the Weston A. Price Foundation is promoting {i.e., "...relates to....") fringe science or pseudoscience. -- And with that, this conversation *is* closed on my last word.--Froglich (talk) 02:23, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Total loss
Thanks for your comment about this article. I was just thinking that the America newsreel footage was probably the first time an airplane (it's engines) was heard in a motion picture.Koplimek (talk) 13:10, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ribbit! (Thanks!)

August 2017
This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, as you did at Talk:Suicide of Vince Foster, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people.  Acroterion   (talk)   22:55, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Accusations of criminal conduct against other editors, rhetorical or not, are not acceptable. I am enforcing a topic ban on subjects concerning American politics, and will impose a topic ban once I fill out the paperwork.  Acroterion   (talk)   22:57, 11 August 2017 (UTC)


 * ''(Onlooker note: section-title changed by me from usual boilerplate.)--Froglich (talk) 17:22, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Blocked
Since you've posted a violation of your topic ban to this page in direct defiance of that ban, I've blocked you. Talkpages, like all Wikipedia pages, are subject to such bans.  Acroterion   (talk)   10:46, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, the wording of the policy is not quite like that, it's ... a topic ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic... so I'm not sure how a talk page is a page "broadly related to the topic". Mind you, the WP:TBAN page is hilarious because the example given there (a TBAN on "weather") would result in  blocking an editor for saying something like "it's still raining" on his own talk page...  The Rambling Man (talk) 10:49, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of the policy, but I'm not sympathetic to deliberate boundary-testing in userspace. I would not block for the trivial instance you've mentioned, but I'm open to alternate solutions.   Acroterion   (talk)   10:54, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * And just to make it clear, I'm traveling on business and have limited access to WP for the rest of the day. Any admin may remove or modify my actions without consulting me if they believe it is warranted.  Acroterion   (talk)   11:00, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * " all edits about," is clear. As is policy. Yes, it includes pages broadly related to the topic, but also explicitly includes "the user's own user and talk pages (including sandboxes)." Your edit was clearly defying the ban. It's a good block. Just wait it out and learn from this. Doug Weller  talk 11:59, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Froglich hasn't said otherwise. I think you're getting your wires crossed. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:11, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I was asked to review it, which I have. Rather than just review it in my head I added my opinions here. Doug Weller  talk 12:58, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

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