User talk:Frozenranger

Hello, Frozenranger, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, please see our help pages, and if you can't find what you are looking for there, please feel free to ask me on my talk page or place  on this page and someone will drop by to help. Red Director (talk) 22:42, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
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If you are unfamiliar with WP:NPOV, please do read it.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 19:15, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, also my comments are neutral. We cannot treat people as some unit of color, thus I believe your giving undue weight to race.

Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert
El_C 20:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Partial block from Death of George Floyd
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 weeks from certain areas of the encyclopedia for disruptive editing. Please note that further violations to article talk page guidelines is likely to see you restricted from that (and any other) talk page(s), as well. Please take the time to review Wikipedia's policies and guidelines so that you may remain in compliance of these. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. El_C 20:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Frozenranger, that is not a proper unblock request, so it's likelihood of being granted approaches zero at this time. As for your email, I would prefer, in this instance, to keep matters on-wiki and on the record. Privacy prevents me from responding to your email note here, so please re/phrase your concerns in a manner which you deem fit for sharing on-wiki. Thank you. El_C 20:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * ok no problem. I believe I fall under this category: "the block is no longer necessary because you understand what you are blocked for, you will not do it again, and you will make productive contributions instead" As per my email:

Dear El C, Sorry to bother you, I feel that Drmies and EvergreenFir are inappropriately using their adminstrative power to have you ban me. All I wanted to do was have an informed discussion of why including / not including race would create the best article possible. If you have seen their comments they appear to be coming from an emotional state. I to confess that some of my comments were coming from an emotional state. If possible I would like you to remind them to be professional, and I will do my best to stay professional. Also I think by including white in the lead, the editors are falling into the texas sharp shooter fallacy by cherry picking facts. I have no problem including those facts later in the article. I think that by having them in the lead we are playing a narrative that doesn't support the values of wikipedia.

I hope that this shows that my intent was never to harrass people or make inappropriate comments or damage wikipedia in any way, I did not fully understand how to comment in the talk page regarding editoral changes. I see that the consenus is to include race and that will be the end of it.

thanks for your time Frozenranger (talk) 20:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Frozenranger, on Wikipedia, "adminstrative power" equates to administrative action, which neither of these admins used in this dispute (that, indeed, would be a problem). The only one who used an admin action in this dispute has been myself. Admins are entitled to engage in normal editorial collaboration, including discussion. If they have contravened talk page guidelines, as you claim, the onus is on you to substantiate that using evidence in the form of diffs. As for due weight regarding "white," that seem to have been established in the subsection which listed many sources making widespread use of that mention. Again, the "values of Wikipedia" is to mirror what reliable sources say. Other considerations are just not relevant to anything. El_C 20:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)