User talk:FruitMonkey/Archive 1

A tag has been placed on Beddau RFC, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. WebHamster 11:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Rugby union in Wales
Thanks for the message.

It's a univereal problem on Wikipedia that there aren't enough people prepared to do the work though plenty who will criticise the end result.

I set up most of the Rugby union in X articles by taking content from other pages and putting it in the one main article with the hope that somebody from x would take an interest and develop the article. This largely hasn't happened. I don't think that this is particular to Wales or rugby union, Cricket in England was set up by me and hasn't progressed either (and many other examples).

The one article that I have done myself is Rugby league in England which I got to "good status" but almost all the edits were mine. I think if you wanted to get Rugby union in Wales to the same level then the likelyhood is that most edits would be yours.

You don't really need any reference books to make such an article. You can usually find enough online references using google. I've also recently found that if you put a section of the article onto a sports forum and invite improvements then people will make suggestions which you can incorporate.GordyB 09:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Penarth RFC
19 Feb 2008 - Hi I am new to Wikipedia and have just done some expansion of the Penarth RFC page. Is there any chance you could compile one of your excellent little kit diagrams and insert it on the page for me. There are photos on the teams official website. Royal blue shirts with white shoulders, black shorts and socks in black and royal blue hoops. Many thanks 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 15:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Lovely job, exactly what I was after...and a nice paragraph tidy up too. I must learn how to do that myself. Thanks21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 23:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The Pontypool Front Row
You seem to be a rugby expert. Could you take a look at The Pontypool Front Row please. It is in a backlog of new articles to be patrolled, and I don't know if it should be deleted, expanded or merged. Bobby Windsor links to it and it is mentioned in Pontypool RFC. Thanks Derek Andrews (talk) 20:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Bryncoch RFC
Stifle,

You recently deleted my page Bryncoch RFC, I'm presuming notability as this is the main hit I used to get nailed with. Could you revert this as I am creating the entire Welsh rugby league, mainly as informed stubs, with the hope that others will contribute. I struggled hard in my early days to get this up and running, but have now created over 100 clubs, most of them with over a hundred years of history, but with a distinct non-geek/tech following making follow up contribs slow. To see how far I have come please check: List of Welsh rugby union clubs by division, which before I started held only about 20 clubs. This is a serious long term project which I have spent hundreds of man hours building. It has notability, it's just buried in time and needs effort to create. Thanks,FruitMonkey (talk) 21:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?
 * I notice that you referred to an article as belonging to you. Please be aware that nobody owns any articles on Wikipedia.
 * Bryncoch RFC was deleted under criterion 7 (under Articles) of our criteria for speedy deletion because it appeared to be an article about which didn't indicate why it was important or significant. Please see  for details of what might show notability. If you think that these criteria are met, please explain which one and provide citations from reliable sources to back up your claim, and I will consider undeleting it.
 * You may alternatively file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 08:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

pontypridd
Hi I left a comment on the pontypridd discussion board. harris 578 (talk) 21:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You did a good job with Pontypridd. harris 578 (talk) 18:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not registered, but just to let you know I've done quite a few edits on the Pontypridd website recently, including expanding the list of suburbs/settlements and have added info about Pontypridd's collieries etc. I've also corrected, the old bridge was in fact the longest signle span stone-arch bridge in the world "single-span" and "stone-arch" being the operative words here, the confusion comes from the fact that at one time there was thought to be a longer bridge somewhere in Europe (Venice I think), but the 'Hen Bont' was definately the longest, as was the station platform the longest in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.168.45.250 (talk) 06:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Please note that the Rhondda electoral ward is within Pontypridd and Pontypridd only, and covers the following areas - Gelliwion, Hopkinstown, Maesycoed, Pwllgwaun, Pantygraigwen and Trehafod. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.168.45.250 (talk) 08:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I am presently making a disambiguation page around Pontypridd, hopefully we cam then get a clear idea of what goes where.FruitMonkey (talk) 08:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi FruitMonkey, that would be a good idea. This is always going to be a contentious one because of the extent of development of the Rhondda and Taff valleys there is so much overlap, just what is 'Rhondda', what is 'Pontypridd', what is 'Llantwit Fardre'/'Llantrisant'? I guess at the crudest level given that Ponty is at the junction of the Rhondda and Taff (uper/lower) valleys, then Ponty is both at the bottom of the Rhondda valley, or at the top of the Taff-Ely Valley depending on your persepctive.

It is difficuilt to seperate Pontypridd from the 'Rhondda' as a destinct identity because while Ponty is generally more affluent today than the 'Rhondda', Ponty was a heavily industrialised region as per the 'Rhondda' with its north western communities (e.g. Graig, Gyfeillion, Hopkinstown, Pantygraigwen, Pwllgwaun, Troedrhiwtrwyn etc) being more akin to those of what is typically considered the 'Rhondda' than those communities further south.

I would consider everything north of Treforest to be the bottom of the Rhondda valley, since 1.) the River Rhondda Fawr terminates in Ynysangharad Park, 2.) This area is defined by the Rhondda electoral ward which is officially defined as being part of Pontypridd Town 3.) North of Treforest, Pontypridd was atleast if not more industrialised than much of what is typically thought of as being the 'Rhondda', and some of the richest Rhondda coal seams ran through there, these were exploited before many of the pits were sunk in the 'Rhondda' 4.) While south of this (with the exception of Trefforest Iron & Steal Works and the Dynea coal levels above Rhydyfelin, there was comparatively little industry as per the area to the west of Trefforest Estate (Church Village, Llantwit Fardre etc).

With regard to Trehafod this is another difficuilt one. If you weren't to accept Hopkinstown etc as part of the Rhondda then neither can you accept Trehafod, since the Rhondda Fawr pass both and it isn't until Porth (the 'gateway' to the Rhondda as you know) that the Rhondda Valley is thought to begin in earnest, in some respects this would be the logical cut-off between Pontypridd and the Rhondda. Trehafod has always been debated as to whether it is within Pontypridd or the Rhondda or simply between the two, it all depends on your standpoint.

People actually living along the Rhondda Fawr will classify themselves according to whether they want to be considered associated with Ponty or a resident of Rhondda I suppose, but the fact that these communities are alongside the banks/overlooking the Rhonnda Fawr means that they must be within the Rhondda Valley, and yet these are within walking distance of the town centre and their existence dependant of the town and I would therefore also consider them part of Pontypridd.

Like I say, the easiest thing would be to either seperate at Porth or north/west of the park. Another contentious one is where does Ponty town end and Treforest begin, also is Treforest Industrial Estate part of Ponty given that prior to construction of the estate this was rural land which formed a break between 'Pontypridd' and the lower Taff Vale (Nantgarw/Gwaelod-y-Garth/Taffs Well/Creigiau/Pentyrch etc). If you manage to resolve all these then you've done better than countless people before you, good luck, I think you'll need it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.168.45.250 (talk) 13:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Teddy Morgan
I spotted Teddy Morgan and nominated it for Did You Know. Hopefully this is ok? You can have a look at the hook at Template talk:Did you know. Anyway the article looks good, and it would be nice if it was on the mainpage. - Shudde   talk  02:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Welsh players
Yeah that's a great idea. That game would still rank up there as one of the most famous of all time, certainly most New Zealanders know of the game&mdash;we like to think of it as an honourable draw! ;-) I have been meaning to write articles on each of the All Blacks on that tour, but am lacking all the references I'd need to do a good job. I'll get around to it eventually though. - Shudde   talk  06:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ponty
I got rid of the Lover rubbish as well. Harris578 (talk) 21:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair cop.FruitMonkey (talk) 21:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Did you know
Yeah it's nice getting articles on the main page. When you create some in the future you should check whether they are eligible for Did you know (DYK). The criteria can be found here. The instructions are a bit convoluted, so if you have any questions about it don't hesitate to ask. - Shudde   talk  03:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Good stuff
Just a quick note to compliment you for your work on various rugby union articles. There don't seem to be many people contributing at the moment and your work seems excellent. --Bcp67 (talk) 19:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your thanks! I'm probably mostly interested in the Lions, have a series of tour books from 1971 up to 1983 and expanding them - I'd ultimately like to get at the least a stub in place for every post-war Lions tourist and I'll be starting work on the 1966 tourists as soon as I've completed the 1968 set. Also quite interested in English international rugby up to start of the professional era - I have a run of Rothmans yearbooks too from 1980 through to something like 1994. The layouts you've done are great, I am quite useless at those and most of what I've done is cut and paste from other people's good work, so feel free to butcher any page that I've created. Thanks again for your thoughts.--Bcp67 (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Title of Lions tours
Can you give me a quick opinion on something? Would you say that the titles of the Lions tours should include every country visited or just the ones where they played tests? For example - 1977 to NZ & Fiji, rather than just 1977 to NZ; or 1971 to Aus & NZ rather than 1971 to NZ. Those two tours were principally tours to NZ with extra matches elswhere, compared to say 1950 and 1966 which encompassed about as full visits to Australia as were possible then. Personally I'd leave them as they are, but if you've got any thoughts I'd be happy to hear!--Bcp67 (talk) 21:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Dyfodwg
Hi, FruitMonkey. Not sure if you saw my response to your question about the book of saints on my talk page, so here it is again:
 * Hi there FruitMonkey, Actually I don't have the book. This page is simply an (attempted) translation of the page written in welsh on Ceitho by Antiomaros. I believe Anatiomaros has the book. He/she (I'm not sure!) is very helpful. Pob lwc!
 * P.S. I hope you don't mind - I quoted you on my user page ("If an episode of Dr Who can get three pages of content then towns where people actually live and die need their say too.") Well said!
 * Spacebungle (talk) 05:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Maesteg pages
What seems to have been happening on these pages of late? Fortunately you seem to be repairing the damage as it occurs. Is there any way that such 'attacks' on the content can be avoided?

Also is it possible to review the Maesteg article as a consequence of the many changes this year?

Dalaxy (talk) 07:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)