User talk:FunkyFly/Archive1

3rr on Miladinov Brothers
I've blocked you for 1 hour for WP:3RR on Miladinov Brothers. If you continue reverting after the expiry of your block, you'll get a longer one. If you wish to dispute this, reply here: I'm watching. William M. Connolley 17:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC).

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Portals
Здравей! Have you seen the recent creation Portal:Macedonia (there is also a Portal:Bulgaria, Portal:People's Republic of China etc). Feel free to share your thoughts :-) --Latinus 14:18, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I do not think the portal name is appropriate. If there's a vote I'll vote for Portal:Republic of Macedonia. Thanks for the pointer. FunkyFly 15:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

3RR
Please do not keep undoing other people's edits without discussing them first. This is considered impolite and unproductive. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Kafziel 04:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom
Hi, take a look at WP:RFAR if you like. User:Bitola is trying to get the administration to impose renaming Republic of Macedonia to Macedonia and Macedonians (ethnic group) to Macedonians. I have presented my (Greek) views on the issue. You can make a statement and endorse or oppose Bitola's request if you like (just be very polite). --Latinus 18:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I looked into it but I'm not listed under the involved users, so I'll just observe for now. FunkyFly 18:14, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm also thinking of starting a renaming poll for that portal of theirs. I saw the diff you posted at ChrisO's talk page - this is getting out of hand; I have no problem with them worrying about their national identity and using their self-identifying names (with approppriate disambiguation as per Naming conflict - that bit about the disambiguation always gets overlooked...), but I think they're going too far. Look at what User:Macedonia did yesterday. --Latinus 18:22, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw it, for an obnoxious addition like that one, it seems like he's just testing how far he can go before he can be reverted. FunkyFly 20:15, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I always thought that Bulgarians are good friends of Macedonians and have an understanding and sympathy regarding our name and nationality (just to mention that Bulgaria was the first country that recognized the independence of Macedonia and it was done under the constitutional name, we have similar languages, music, culture etc…), but, unfortunately, I was probably wrong…Bitola 11:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * We were only discussing Macedonia's map, and its questionable value. And yes, Bulgaria was the first to recognize Macedonia under the name of "Republic of Macedonia", not Macedonia. I dont see how the rest of the comments have anything to do with the discussion. FunkyFly 15:49, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I have a funny feeling that Bitola is evoking the divide and rule principle ;-) This is not about alliances - it's about NPOV. --Latinus 12:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Macedonia if you can. --Latinus 12:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I just voted. FunkyFly 15:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

My posts
What is the matter with you? Why are you messing with my posts? Have you revised Wikipedia rules? You can add a comment about it, but not interfere and change my messages. Bomac 17:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I did not know that the picture is part of your post, so chill out. I made my own copy now. FunkyFly 17:08, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

FYROM
I believe what we've been searching for is simply this: WP:NPOV


 * "NPOV says that the article should fairly represent all significant viewpoints, in proportion to the prominence of each."

N i k o  S il v e r   (T) @ (C) 15:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Bulgaria
Hello! WikiProject Bulgaria, devoted to better organizing, maintaining and developing the network of Bulgaria-related articles, is currently gathering members in order to be started. If you're interested in participating, add your name to the "Interested Wikipedians" subsection of the proposed project's section in the list of proposed WikiProjects. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 16:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ами няма нищо точно определено и поставено като задача, всеки си избира върху какво да работи и в проекта няма нищо задължаващо, целта е хората, които работят по теми свързани с България, да могат да си взаимодействат и сътрудничат, да обсъждат проблемни теми и всичко това за да бъдем по-ефективни като цяло. Вместо разпиляна група от потребители се превръщаме в нещо по-организирано, в отбор. За много други държави има уикипроекти, че даже и за отделни градове, което показва, че наистина вършат работа и има смисъл от тях. Надявам се да съм обяснил добре същността на проекта и ще се радвам, ако се включиш. [[Image:Flag of Bulgaria.svg|20px]] → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 19:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Project started — WikiProject Bulgaria! [[Image:Flag of Bulgaria.svg|20px]] → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 13:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Bulgarian language
my bad. I only looked at the last few edits made by the anon, which were variant spellings of "place", so i ust reverted all the edits. I'll look closer next time. . .  thanks for the heads up -- He  ah?  08:38, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Linguistics?
When was the last linguistic course you took?

"Object reduplication is the placing in the verb phrase a clitic pronoun which agrees in gender, number and case with the object. In Bulgarian, object reduplication is entirely optional, while in Macedonian object reduplication is compulsory in certain cases." (from my essay)

"Unlike Macedonian and Albanian, however, Bulgarian object reduplication is entirely facultative and thus subject to discourse-bound variation. Although (1a) could also be an acceptable Bulgarian sentence, the reduplicated pronouns 'mu' and 'ja' would not normally be present, i.e. (12) is normal Bulgarian but dialectal, substandard or ungrammatical Macedonian" (from Friedman (1994) - referenced in my essay)

Regarding your other complaint, that I didn't cover lexical differences/similarities. My essay deals with word stress. You'll note that in my essay I put: There was deliberate care taken to try and purify the lexicon of the standard. "Serbisms" and "Bulgarisms", which had become common due to the inﬂuence of these languages in the region were rejected in favour of words from native dialects and archaisms. An example being the word for "event", nastan which was found in certain examples of folk poetry. The Bulgarian and Serb                                      ´ian words that had been in common use were sobitie and dogagaj respectively. This is not to say that there are no Serbisms or Bulgarisms in the language, but rather they were discouraged on a principle of "seeking native material ﬁrst" (Friedman, 1998). —Preceding unsigned comment added by FrancisTyers (talk • contribs)

I replied on the talk page. - FrancisTyers 18:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Check User:FrancisTyers/Nationalist test and its talk for the latest hillarious additions!  N i k o S il v e r   (T) @ (C) 22:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Pitu Guli
Hi, what do you think of the article Pitu Guli. I've been giving it a few minor touchups, but similar edits seem to have generated quite a bit of anon controversy on other related articles. Telex 22:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think Aromanian should be moved to beginning - Bulgarian revolutionary of Aromanian origin. I had a discussion some time ago and apparently according to the Macedonian editors it is not possible for someone to be aromanian and bulgarian in the same time, so that should be stressed. FunkyFly 22:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I did it, and then was reverted by Realek, who claims he was only Macedonian (I'll revert him in the morning). This guy seems to have some serious problems (insecurity). Telex 23:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah you got it I see when I was typing the previous message :-) Telex 23:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * When you look back in history, you'd rather see some continuity, some great things being achieved by your ancestors. You dont want to see it suddenly ending or merging with the history of some larger country. I mean, come on?! FunkyFly 23:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well the Americans aren't claiming that their European ancestors in Europe were Americans. Telex 23:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * True, Americans tend to hate their ancestors for different reasons - religious oppresion, monarchism and so on. FunkyFly 23:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Republic of Macedonia

 * I wonder if you've noticed User:Macedonia's activity over at Portal:Macedonia/Intro. I guess we know what to do in the future when we want to make sure he heeds your advice to him on Portal talk:Macedonia/Intro. Telex 17:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you should give him a break on this one. The name of the country in the dominant language will suffice, as long as the portal does not claim the entire region as part of the Republic. FunkyFly 17:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, there's no monopolisation now. It's interesting, isn't it? There are five namespaces (article, user, image, category and wikipedia) and we already have a Macedonia, User:Macedonia and Category:Macedonia. All we need now to complete the collection is an [[Image:Macedonia]] and a Macedonia. I really don't think he's picked an appropriate username though. Telex 17:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * C'est la vie. FunkyFly 17:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Breaking links
Please stop reverting links to send readers to disambig pages. Jonathunder 18:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Did you by chance look at my latest corrections? I corrected it to Macedonia (region), and it should stay this way. FunkyFly 18:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

As you have been told above by another user, changing working links to disambig pages is counterproductive. For revert warring on this, I have given you a short block. Please try to contribute more productively in the future. Jonathunder 18:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Why did you block me? You insert wrong information in the article? Republic of Macedonia did not exist in the 19th century. I am not breaking wikilinks, I corrected Macedonia to Macedonia (region), if you only cared to look. I am going to report you for this because your block was entirely unnecessary and you are using your admin rights inappropriately. FunkyFly 18:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Jonathunder, I agree with FunkyFly, a Republic of Macedonia didn't exist then, it is an anachronism. That's why it should be linked to Macedonia (region) which is an article on the wider region (the one divided between five countries) not a disambiguation page. Check it if you don't believe me. Telex 18:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

E-mail
I've sent you an e-mail. Telex 20:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW don't revert again on that article. It's an anon, but the 3RR stil applies (I've seen it happen). Telex 23:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, anon's already been blocked for violating the 3RR. Telex 23:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I was not going to go over 3 in 24 hrs. I'm watching my reverts :) FunkyFly 23:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I feel tired, who are we trying to convince? It's not possible to convince them of anything - they even stoop as low as to claim the Miladonov Brothers were Macedonian when we know they viewed themselves and their language (and folk songs) as Bulgarian. Even if Delchev had written on his tombstone "I am Bulgarian", they still wouldn't believe it. Telex 13:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * So you want to set the world straight?! :) Good idea, it might just work, one wikipedia article at a time. I will not comment on the interpretations of the name Bulgarian, when you want to prove something incorrect there are a thousand ways to do it, some particularly creative... FunkyFly 15:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Tell me, is Bomac going to find that quote, or is he going to keep evading the issue for the next thirty years? Telex 17:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * He tried to find one quote once, with no success so far. A couple of quotes were already removed from the article because they were from novels. Maybe he has realized it was actually from a novel, and has decided not to draw any more attention to the issue. FunkyFly 17:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Sigh, then shouldn't that quote be removed from Portal:Macedonia/Selected Biographies? I mean, if he didn't say it, then why say he did. Telex 17:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, with time it will happen I'm sure. FunkyFly 17:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a relief, because it's a violation of WP:NOT. If I were feeling malicious now, you know which quote I'd replace it with ;-) Telex 17:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * But didn't you know? You cannot edit Portal:Republic of Macedonia because you are not republican? By the way all those subpages have to be moved from Portal:Macedonia to Portal:Republic of Macedonia, like it was voted. FunkyFly 18:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, my God, check the revision history to see who added it. Now everything's falling nicely into place ;-) Telex 18:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Bulgars
Tell me something, how prominent are the proto-Bulgars viewed in Bulgaria? I know that Bulgaria is a Slavic country today and fits comfortably into the "family" of Slavic nations (I think Russia has proven this plenty of times), but the strong proto-Bulgar element, would also enable Bulgarians to fit into the Turanian group along with people as diverse as Finns, Hungarians and Estonians to Turks, Mongolians and even Koreans and Japanese. The Greeks on the other hand have often called themselves ένα έθνος ανάδελφο (ena ethnos anadelfo - a nation without brothers), obviously meaning that the Greeks are not closely related in any way to any other ethnic group. The closest related ethnic group to the Greeks seems to be the Armenians. How do people in Bulgaria feel about all their connections (or are they not even thought of, as these things usually involve a political ideology)? Telex 20:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not an expert in this but I'll try to answer. Bulgar heritage is generraly appreciated and celebrated. The most prominent remainder of the old bulgarian heritage is in the names of the people - names like Kroum and Asparuh, names of cities like Kubrat, Omurtag. However, very few words from the Bulgar language remain today. In history books history of Bulgaria begins in 681, not with Volga Bulgaria. People however, think of themselfves as slavs, for a good reason. It is considered that by the time the country became christian in the 9th century, the bulgars were assimilated by the Slavs. Presian is considered the last bulgar ruler, he married a slav wife, and gave his children slavic names. Old Slav culture is also celebrated with some pagan slav celebrations, that coexist with the local christian orthodox tradion. FunkyFly 20:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Right, tell me, in the article vrykolakas, the etymology given is the Bulgarian word върколак. Does the same entity appear in Bulgarian folklore? Telex 21:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, there exists a word in bulgarian, which means exactly what it means in Greek, I do not know though if it is slavic or bulgar It's slavic. FunkyFly 21:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You know, I've been thinking. Assuming the Republic of Macedonia does annex the Macedonian peripheries (in imperialist language: "Aegean Macedonia") from Greece and the Blagoevgrad oblast (in imperialist language: "Pirin Macedonia") from Bulgaria, then demographically speaking, ethnic Greeks will be the largest population in this hypothetical United Macedonia. The most generous estimates of Macedonians in Greece, come from the government of the Republic of Macedonia and they claim 280,000 individuals. This claim is highly unlikely, notwithstanding the fact that the pro Skopje Rainbow Party only got 3,000 votes in the region and the highest neutral estimates are more like 10,000 - 30,000, assuming the Republic of Macedonia's government is right, then the total population of ethnic Macedonians would be 1,585,000. Ethnic Greeks add up to approximately 2,200,000 and the entire population of the region would be approximately 4,700,000. Quite clearly, ethnic Greeks would be the majority and they would dominate politics and the government (they also have the most land as the ethnically Greek areas form approximately 51% of the region, so more seats in parliament). If Macedonia was "united", as they put it, that would be the surest way to place all ethnic Macedonians under the "Greek nationalist assimilatative yoke". This "United Macedonia" would be anything but a Macedonian nation state and homeland. So what do all the users (User:Macedonia, User:Makedonia, User:Vlatkoto) think they want? Do they think these things through carefully? I don't think so. This is based on their own claims on the ethnic composition of the Greek Macedonian peripheries. Telex 22:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You ask those questions like you want to reason with any one of them? Good luck... FunkyFly 03:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * As I think about it, it will be a very interesting country if it were to happen. 47% greeks, 34% republicans, 11% albanians and 8% bulgarians. That would be the most enthnically diverse country in Europe. So diverse one might think it was artificially created :) FunkyFly 06:03, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW see User:Pulvis angelus. The racist sentiment has reared its ugly head again. Telex 23:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hahaha. You know this guy actually studies in Bulgaria, he is most likely on a stipend from the bulgarian government, in one of the better schools, and he is apparently resenting anything bulgarian. How more ironic can this get? I wonder what school and government officials will think if they saw what he's doing. They'll probably laugh off their asses... FunkyFly 03:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry
Just noticed I accidentally removed this clarification of yours in my last revert. Feel free to re-add it please. N i k o S il v e r  (T) @ (C) 20:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * NP. FunkyFly 21:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No problemo? Ok then: "Hasta la vista, baby!" :-)  N i k o S il v e r   (T) @ (C) 21:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL
You really should read MatriX/Bitola's version of the istoriya na makedonsiot narod. Do if you enjoy a good laugh. It's propaganda in sheep's clothing. Telex 22:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding...
...this maybe you can find what these textbooks mean in the official site. I didn't get it myself... There's a greek text also there. N i k o S il v e r  (T) @ (C) 22:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Maps
Hi, the maps are working now. Telex 22:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Civility
I must refer you to this in response to "What stays and what does not stay on my talk is entirely upto my discretion." You have been warned. -- Jay  (Reply)  01:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Point taken, none of the cases apply though. FunkyFly 01:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, FF, see User talk:Realek. Telex 01:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Excellent, moving to article talk. FunkyFly 01:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW do you have any idea what Realek is telling me here? I think it's somethng to do with provocation, but I'm not quite sure. Telex 16:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Never mind, he was saying "removed trollish provocation", except he had written in in Cyrillic. Telex 16:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just when I was about to post "check your email"... FunkyFly 16:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Bulgarians
Thanks for your understanding and quick response. Miskin 22:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I did not want to stir the waters with Samuil, although it would have been fair game to use him. FunkyFly 23:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Спомняй, трябва да чакаш чак до го блокират ако нарушава 3RR, напред връщаш твоята версия. Telex 00:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


 * There's no water-stirring when dealing with sourced material. Both ethnicities of Samuil and Cyril are well established by scholarly consensus, hence there's no reason to compromise because of certain POV-pushers. Miskin 16:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, but you know exactly what I'm eluding to. FunkyFly 16:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, what a gruesome picture you have on your profile. FunkyFly 16:42, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You don't like it? Isn't it cute? :) Miskin 23:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It is, in a gruesome way. FunkyFly 02:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Phases of grief
LOL - you're probably right though. An explanation for their angry response when presented with the Titoist theory is that they subjectively know it's true and wish it wasn't. I can't think of a parallel or a similar example. --Telex 16:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Repeat a lie enough number of times, until everyone starts believing it. It has been shown to work in Nazi Germany. FunkyFly 16:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * See denial and psychological repression (of a set of facts one secretly accepts as true). BTW you should consider archiving your talk page - it's getting quite long. --Telex 16:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)