User talk:FuriousFreddy/Archive3

Rap
I wrestled with myself over that one for a while... I think that if this is to be a disambig page, then there should be a separate article on rap music (which currently redirects to "Hip hop music"). -- BD2412 talk 15:07, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't pretend to know a lot about music genres, but I though hip-hop encompassed something broader, including musicians who did not rap, but were part of hip hop culture (like Destiny's Child and Usher). -- BD2412 talk 15:26, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Rapping is a part of American pop culture?
How is rapping a part of American pop culture, and singing is not? Everybody raps all over the world. I'd think you'd want to add that category to the article on hip hop, and not to this article. --FuriousFreddy 02:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I saw your edits - couple things in response User:FuriousFreddy. While I'm not excluding content from this section, the risk we appear to run when we put too much into the [|American Pop Culture] subcategory is that it could water it down into oblivion -- one might make the arguement for just about anything to go into that category. I thought it was a great category to be used to represent key symbols of [|American Pop Culture], icons or key symbols (IE MTV, Burger King, etc.). Singing to me is too broad a topic, whereas Rock and Roll is dintinctly American, at least from its initial roots. That said, I don't see why Rap can't be part of several categories - you noted Hip Hop as well. I dont have the background in this field you seem to have from your bio, but it would make sense to include that topic in both categories. Barrettmagic 09:32 4 August 2005.

Personal attack
Look User:FuriousFreddy "I WILL request that Voarsh be banned if he contnues vandalising" is a personal attack !!! Removing POVs statements is not a vandalism !! I will request that you will be banned too !- Vorash 19:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

You say that "you can be banned for repeated poor edits to articles and vandalisation". I didn't do any "poor edits" and i didn't vandalise any pages. I just say that a Michael Jackson page include POV statements. You are also lying that "i don't like Michael Jackson". It's untruth. THreating people for arguing POV in the article and telling lies about them is a personal attack !!! Will see who will be banned !! Vorash 19:55, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

"you seem awful adamant about wanting the "people call him a pedophile" bit added to the article, and you've been persuing that point, it seems, for several months" is onother lie !! You continue to lie. My opinion is wrtitten in Michael Jackson's talk page. I didn't said that a word "pedophile" should be added, I said that there are some people that think that he is the "king of pop", but other people think that he is "Wacko Jacko" or even "Pedophile", but Wikipidia should avoid all these statements, because they are all POV in my opinion. Saying that i am pursuing adding a bit of "Pedophile" for 'months is another lie !!! Why are you lying ??? MOnths ??? As of removal i said in the talk page that in my opinion MTV and Rolling stones "best songs" should be moved to trivia section, and it is not suitable for the entrance section (its all written in talk page )! Here again YOu continue to lie and saying that i did it as an act of VAndalism !!!!! - Vorash 20:32, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

On 16 July i said quote: THat's what you call "attempting to get that fact added to the page" ???? It wasn't my idea to add the Word PEDOPHILE to the page !! You are lying again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP YOUR LIES !!!!!!!!!!
 * 1) "Proven fact" ? Really ? :)"
 * 2) "Many people think that he is pedophile, but in order to publish it we should have a substantial evidence or at least a link to some respectful source (if you say that he has admitted that)"

None of your accusations are supported by facts ! YOu continue to call me VaNDAL without supplying any proof for it. So it can be only a Personal Attack !! And if you will continue your lies i will complain to administrators !! Vorash 21:22, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Music disambiguation
I'm currently fixing links to disambiguation pages. I notice that you've been working on music articles and have added boxes to some pages about songs. When referring to musical genres, please have pop, soul, and country link to pop music, soul music, and country music, as well as any other musical terms that might be ambiguous. Thanks. --Pagrashtak 16:17, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Respect (song)
Since you've done such great work on other soul song and artist articles, I thought you might want to help with Respect (song). I've been working on the article periodically to get up to FA standard, and I think it's getting close. I recently put it up for peer review, and it'd be awesome if you could join in on the expansion of the article. It'd be awesome to have a FA song that isn't by The Beatles (I like them, but enough's enough). Thanks. Volatile 16:20, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Iron Maiden (band)
Hi Freddy, I've taken all your comments into consideration on the page now, thanks for taking time out to comment. --PopUpPirate 07:04, August 1, 2005 (UTC) Ditto :D --PopUpPirate 11:51, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

GNAA FAC
I expanded the article and reduced the number of references. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 07:55, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

re: "Rap" category.
''Articles for rappers belong in Category:Rappers, and articles for rap music albums belong in Category:Hip hop albums. That's why the category is at CfD in the first place. --FuriousFreddy 12:12, 3 August 2005 (UTC)''

Actually I agree, I just have a thing, and have been warned in the past, for depopulating a cat before a Cfd. It gives a false sense of use, its best to leave it as is, so the community can decide w/o bias towards either. I didn't revert all of them, just a few. Thanks for the message. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 12:16, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Yea I wasn't really sure how many there were. They should probably be where you put them, so adding the new cats to them will help. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 12:30, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

James Brown
FuriousFreddy On a different topic - take a look at the James Brown article. It was posted requesting edits. The phrasing was a little ragged, so I went in and cleaned it up abit, tightened up the paragraphs, but think it might be worth additional editing.Barrettmagic 09:38 4 August 2005

Casting rumors and speculation
Freddy, I know how you do not want that in Wikipedia. Keep an eye on the entrys for Batman, Joker (comics), Two Face, and Batman Begins. Someone keeps putting casting rumors and fan speculation in those articles. We can't have a double standard.

Vandalism on Hip hop
Hi there. the same user keeps altering the article so that it says "Griots are hip hop" and randomly deleting other sections of the text so that they end up making no sense. I think that'w hy the intro moved stright to "Bteaboxing is the fifth element.." without any discussion of the other four. i think this counts as vandalism, and although it's pretty minor, it might be an idea to watch them and maybe get their IP blocked if they continue. Thanks illWill 15:21, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that, if you look at their edit history, they seem to be going through all the hip-hop related articles and removing as many references to America as they can. Also, Blues is apparently African, rather than African-influenced.illWill 15:30, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I voted on the CFD - I think those people are well-intentioned, but could probably do with reading a few books about music history. I think categorisation is one of the biggest problems on Wiki - it reminds me of that ancient Chinese Encyclopaedia where "Animals are divided into (a) belonging to the Emperor, (b) embalmed, (c)tame (d) sucking pigs" and so on. illWill 16:11, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

It might be an idea to keep an eye on Hip hop and Blues today. The same problem user persists in continuously editing out material from the same small group of articles. As they are editing from a fixed IP, I'm going to contact an admin when i get back from the university later today, and see if they can be banned from editing those articles. Thanks illWill 12:18, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your attempt at a compromise edit - I personally don't have any objection to material being added which suggests that hip-hop was influenced by West African griots. I just object to the anon removing as many references to America as he/she can. It just doesn't makes sense to say that 'hip-hop arose in the African community in the US' - to remove African American is to remove the context in which the music arose, and the same applies their edits on Blues. It makes even less sense when they remove all of the references to America in articles such as British hip-hop.


 * However, the anon has ignored your attempt at compromise, and continues to remove paragraphs from the article. I'm going to request comment, as soon as I can work out how to do it. Thanks illWill 18:10, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey there. As soon as the page was unprotected, the anon went back and added the same change. They have also removed large chunks of material from Breakdancing. Thanks illWill 12:06, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

DC Comics superheroes cat
The reason why I removed the category from alot of those articles is because they were already listed under different categories, which themselves were listed under DC Comics superheroes. I just thought it was kind of redundant to have them listed like that.--Kross 03:23, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Nuwaubianism

 * Nice articles. I did a few minor format changes and made a category to group them all under. Are you a researcher on such organizations, or were you at one time involved with them? (I've known several Nuwaubians, and almost became one myself) --FuriousFreddy 14:58, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I was never a Nuwaubian, but I have a fascination for fringe belief systems and the people who create them. I became interested in York and his crew several years back, before all the child molestation charges, and when that case hit the news I started to dig a little deeper. It's been very rewarding - the stories and legends just seem to get more and more interesting the more I look. York has managed to live out in real, grown-up life the most grandiose, whimsical, chimerical, and ever-changing fantasy world ever dreamed up by a child during make-believe - and he's convinced a whole troop of grown-ups to go along with him and build him pyramids and give him titles and pageants. It's an awful story, certainly, considering the children he raped, but there's also something weird and wonderful about it.-Moorlock 16:23, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

"Most" hip hop
There's lots of instrumental hip hop out there, and I don't just mean beats with no rappers. The whole turntablism genre, Pete Rock's Petestrumentals, RJD2, Prefuse 73, DJ Shadow, Herbie Hancock's Dis Is Da Drum album, Miles Davis's Doo Bop album, Greg Osby's 3-D Lifestyles album, RZA's Ghost Dog soundtrack, etc. Hip hop has always had a instrumental side to things, especially back in the electro days. --Jamieli 14:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

DYK
Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 00:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Captain Marvel (DC Comics)
Yes, but it's normal English (and Wikipedia) usage to abbreviate it as "no" (or U.S. "no."; I automatically use the British English version; someone might, if they think it important, add the full stops). This has come up elsewhere, such as in the pop-music articles; publishers often adopt specific typographical conventions, but our articles should adopt a uniform style. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 12:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Deletion
Freddy ,I created the Article "List of Shows Cancelled By FOX" why didn't you tell me the it was going up for deletion.Why wasn't i toll .I feel it that wrong it my work is going up for deletion and i not be tolled about it. In Future, inform a creator of an article if there is any problems with it .Thank you. --IDude 101 01:43, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Holy Cow: James Brown

 * Wow - impressive additions there. I've been doing alot of splitting pages lately - breaking filographies and discogrpaphies into separate sections (keep the size and navigation simpler - a good reference site for this I found is the Madonna site. Think you might want to do that for Brown as well? You got alot of details there. -- Barrettmagic 23:16, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Number one singles
Freddy, can we please stop moving songs into the Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles category? The parent category and the other international categories do not have the hypen, and this category doesnt need it either. OmegaWikipedia 18:52, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually I've moved most of them into the category without the hyphen so can we leave it like that for now? But yeah, I'll go to the cFd OmegaWikipedia 19:00, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks Freddy. I just put up the Cfd here. Not sure if it was exactly done right, though, unless you see any problems? OmegaWikipedia 19:36, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your message; you've probably seen the message I left on CfD. As I say there, OmegaWikipedia had in fact reverted my renaming twice, the first time back to his "No. 1" version. My own view is that the hyphen should be there; it's grammatically correct on all the categories, including "Number-one singles", but it's desirable on the long ones, if only to help divide up the long strings of text into manageable chunks. If other people disagree, we can change it, but OmegaWikipedia was just bulling it, doing it alone, and making a hell of a mess in the process.

In response to your other question &mdash; yes, I'd be glad to help with List of number 1 R&B hits (USA). Just give me a chance to go through the worst of my Watchlist backlog (I don't have a bot, unfortunately, and last night's work took ages). --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 08:29, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I've started tidying and wikifying List of number-one R&B hits (United States) (it was in a bit of a mess), ready for the job you have in mind. By the way, at (I Know) I'm Losing You you've removed the link from a title for which there's no article yet; as we normally leave such red-links (to encourage the creation of articles), I wondered if there was a reqason that you thought no article would be likely to be created. --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 21:23, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Good point; I've become too used to seeing every single (or even unreleased single) being given its own article by the fan-club editors. I tried to stand out against it when I first discovered this area of Wikipedia, merging multiple singles-stubs with the relevant album articles, but there were howls of outrage, and most of my work has been undone. --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 08:00, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Good looking out for the DJ Skee & Nu Jersey Devil Mixtape, an unknown user typed it in for The Game article. Instead of putting it to the chopping block, I just put the thing into an article. I didn't have time to get the edits in. But good touch up on it. Thanks. LILVOKA 15:00 (EST) 22 August 2005.

End of the Road Response
In response to your recent deletion in the End of the Road article:

The nature and intent of the formerly posted lyrics is regarded as non-profit and educational in nature, in added, special regard noting that color-coded lyrics is intended to show which part of the lyrics is sung by whom, and published in forum regarded as academic and non-commercial. It is clear that such lyrics does not "supersede the use," does not "prejudice the sale" nor does it "diminish the profits" of the original work, as pointed in Folsom v. Marsh (1841). It instead provides reference for additional criticism and points of review and furthers the worth of owning an original copy. Furthermore, it doesn't fall under any Congressional Acts precluding Copyright Law, such as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, enacted 1998, since it is not in rich, binary audio format, but instead text, a partial, not a complete nor near-complete, rendering of the original song due to the absence of musical intonations and phrases. Although posting a rich digital copy (such as one encoded in the Motion Picture Encoding Group's 1, layer 3, or Ogg Vorbis audio codecs) would undoubtedly be viewed as copyright infringement, it can be therefore be valued that the effect of those six characteristics above in sum would duly place such lyrics as protected under the Fair Use Doctrine, as is applicable to Title 17 by the United States Congress, the Copyright Act of 1790, modified in 1976.

A re-post of the lyrics may happen with notes regarding rationale behind fair use. I didn't sleep my Business Law course. I know my fair share of copyright law. Please be a little more diligent in your research before destroying what took people much effort to create. A fair warning through /talk before ANY large, out-right deletion of content, where copyright infringemnet is in question, though not obvious in nature, is the generally-accepted, proper course of action in Wikipedia. Please do so in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevvz (talk • contribs) 02:43, 26 August 2005

Walt Disney
I was the one who made the cleanup./accuracy requests back in February, and I ended up having to do the rewrite myself. In the history, there should be a big edit somewhere-- I made a temp page and rewrote the entire thing. The article as it is now is accurate and cleaned up. --FuriousFreddy 02:31, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Sorry about the false alarm; I was refiling a bunch of requests all at once.  Fortunately, one benefit of putting them at the top of the article page is that people are much more likely to remove them when they are no longer needed. 8) -- Beland 02:38, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
Quote "You cannot repeatedly revert a page to make it the way only you see fit, escpecially if such information is not backed up by fact. You are being warned; any further reverts, and you will be banned. -" FuriousFreddy 13:38, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I see now. I thought it was you FuriousFreddy that removed my African American references in the Jazz article! But now I see it was this user 82.43.52.176 who is systematically going around putting 'African' in every article and wiping out African American. I looked at their history of alterations and its always the same thing. Seems like this reader has a serious problem. Sorry for the mistake Freddy, I thought it was you that was doing the alterations. My bad.

Mbase1235 22:08, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Your message
Will do. He's a general pain; I thought that he was getting better, but I think that he's just shifted his area of operations a little. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 15:11, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I think that an RfC has to be the next step. If you start it, I'll be the second sponsor (if no-one else beats me to it) &mdash; I'd do it myself, but it might take me a while to fit it in, as I'm very much behind with my Watch list (we hada  power cut yesterday). --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 21:01, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

R&B
No problem. I'll keep an eye on it. Tuf-Kat 15:18, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Something
I only did that because the "Move" tag didn't work... igordebraga ≠ 17:46, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

R&B
I didn't lock the article (not sure if it meets the criteria, and I don't think it's necessary to solve the problem. I have attempted a compromise version of the article, in which I removed the worst of the apparently spurious genres (those I couldn't confirm the use of with google) and made some other compromises.  If there are any outstanding issues you'd like to discuss, I'm asking both of you to refrain from editing the article; bring it to the talk page, and let me incorporate it for now (think of it as a soft page protection). Tuf-Kat 02:04, September 2, 2005 (UTC)


 * Is this OK with you? Looking at the article, the new material needs copy-editing, but I'm not qualified to judge its content. (When I talked about an RfC, by the way, I was thinking about one on OmegaWikipedia; his stubbornness, aggression, and refusal to go along with Wikipedia norms and customs seems to be incorrigible.) --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 09:18, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I reworded the sentence, taking out the black eyed peas but didn't add anyone in their place. It doesn't really seem necessary to give more than one additional name. Tuf-Kat 08:08, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Pop Rivalries
Thanks for the heads up. Any time frame you had in mind? OmegaWikipedia 08:26, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Overview
Oh, and one more thing, how should an overview section work? You commented awhile ago (sorry, I'm alway s slow on responding to things) that an overview section could be added if there was a proper heading in it. What would that entail?

Racism/bias on Wikipedia
After reading your user page: You know I totally agree that Wikipedia coverage is skewed, but I don't think I agree with you about the reason. I think it mostly is because the population of Wikipedia contributors is also skewed. I'm pretty sure that white and asian middle class young people are totally overrepresented in the wikipedia population, and many other groups - such as older Americans, African Americans ect, are way underrepresented. And I think this tends to lead to poorer coverage of certain subjects.

Who knows what can be done to rectify the situation? As far as I know Wikipedia has never actively sought out contributors.....  Anyway, I've seen your work and it's obvious that you are improving coverage on some subjects that have been neglected. Keep it up! ike9898 13:09, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Rough
Ok, a rough draft of the article has been finished. Is that good enough for now? OmegaWikipedia 05:26, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Tom and Jerry (MGM)
I'd be glad to help.

Also, great Woody Woodpecker picture on your user page. tregoweth 18:10, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

NPOV on Mr Olympia
Hi, you added a NPOV tag to Mr. Olympia yet didn't leave any comments on the talk page. Can you please explain what you think isn't neutral. Thanks. johnSLADE (talk) 10:55, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

R&B charts
Sure, although my chart access is more limited to the 90s and 2000s. OmegaWikipedia 20:53, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


 * You seem to have most years down, but did any of the singles spend a non consecutive run? And we're trying to confrom these charts to look like the way the Hot 100 charts look like right? Someone seems to be adding tables. OmegaWikipedia 22:15, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Shootin' the sh*t
Thanks for stopping by my talk page. Care to come back? :) Peace 2 u.  deeceevoice 22:35, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

One more thing. If you do decide to take a break or leave entirely, stop by and just check in from time to time. Just so's we know u is aiight. :p Don't know what, if anything, I can do; but I'm here if u need me. As one sistah on BP used to say, "Peace an' hair grease." :D deeceevoice 00:20, 7 September 2005 (UTC)