User talk:FuriousFreddy/Archive3a

African diaspora notice board
Hey, Furious. Forgot I hadn't posted a response here. I'll get around to listing some articles when I have more time. 'Til then, I've simply rather clumsily (I'm afraid) invited folks to check my contributions, since this kind of stuff is about all I do. There is also a "List of African-American articles" or some such thing, a page which simply lists a bunch of AA articles. If someone doesn't add it before I get back to your notice board, I'll hunt up the correct title and add it. Glad you're (still) here. Peace. :) deeceevoice 18:59, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Bounty Board
Greetings. You've recently been involved with working on get articles up to featured status, so I wanted to let you know about a new page, Bounty board. People have put up monetary bounties for certain articles reaching featured status - if the article makes it, the bounty lister donates the stated amount of money to the Wikimedia Foundation. So you can work on making articles featured, and donate other people's money at the same time. If this sounds interesting, I hope you stop by. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 13:30, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Posting album pictures to give album information more adapt
Hey, man, I wanted to expand Marvin Gaye's article with more of his albums - studio, live, greatest-hits, etc., you know. I've added a lot of info but I need pictures but I don't want to get in people's business with the licenses, can you help me out if you're there? Thanks a bunch, man. And about that Black diaspora thing, I dig it, I really can't find anything to add but if I can, I will. Holla! -- BrothaTimothy 12:17, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Your edits to the pictures I uploaded
Thanks for editing out the black space in the pictures I uploaded of Roger Rabbit, but I was wondering why they were of a bigger size than the ones I uploaded, especially since the re-loaded images were smaller, pixel-wise, than the origionals. I used MPlayerClassic (an open-source program) and its frame-by-frame, as well as picture taking, feature to take the images, and they are admittedly of not to excellent quality. If you have a better option, please feel free to upload them, and thanks for editing out the black part again. Thanks, User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail]]01:30, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...the file size thing is odd. Perhaps it's because I used Phootoshop's "Save for Web" at 80% quality. I'll see if I can cut it down some more. --FuriousFreddy 11:07, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Sure, that'd be great. If you want, I can try and upload them again, sans the black part. I doubt a few KB will kill anyone, but putting a file compressed at a resolution higher than its actual one is generally not reccomended. Especially when we're trying to be as kind as we can to 56K'ers. Thanks, User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail]]12:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thankya, thankya! Happy editing, User:Mys e kurity|Mysekurity ]] additions | e-mail]]00:23, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Album pictures for MPG
I actually wanted to upload the album covers for "I Want You", "Here, My Dear", "Marvin Gaye Live!", "In Our Lifetime", "Live at the London Palladium" and "Midnight Love". -- BrothaTimothy 24:03 (UTC)

Peer review?
I've noticed that your contributions have helped turn several music-related articles into Featured Articles. Would you care to add to a peer review on Marilyn Manson? The band might not be quite to your taste, but I'd like to get your feedback on the article. Thanks! -- keep sleep ing say what 18:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Issue of NPOV in Snoop edits
What is this all about Bro? Giving my own ratings is no reason to do such big "unedits". And there's no regular and irregular albums, for instance if Snoop participates in a production of an album as an artist and the album goes under his name it will be probably his own album (for example : the "Welcome to tha Chuuch" mixtapes). And if the Snoop page gets too long, it'll be due to his lifetime achievements, that cannot be shortened or sorted by any person because that's also against the neutral point of view. Considering all that I am waiting for your response and won't do any new or revert edits until then. Lajbi 15:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)Lajbi

The ratings and the personal opinion attachments have been removed. I still think it is unnecessary to create a distinct subfolder for the list of albums, videos, films because that's what the contents table for (skipping the articles you don't want to read).Lajbi 22:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I would need some more advise on how to clean up these articles or what precisely are the major tasks to be done. I you define the source of problems maybe I could work on it. I look forward to cooperate with you.Lajbi 09:25, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I Just Called To Say I Love You
I think that what you removed as "POV commentary" is relevant information. Pretty much every musician will cringe when you mention the song, for exactly the reason I gave. Maybe you can give me some suggestion as to how put information on how IJCTSILY is well-known for its "strange ending" in in a more neutral way. -- mawa 23:06, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Peer review request
Hi. Hope things are going well. I just put The Waterboys up at peer review, and I would especially appreciate your feedback. If you have a second, would you look it over? Thanks. Jkelly 07:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comments and the improvements. Did you check out the samples?  I was really trying to show how different the two sounds are, and also the importance of the brass section in the first sound and just how folky they got afterwards.  If you are really interested in checking them out, I'd recommend This Is the Sea if you're interested in the Big Music sound.  On a less pleasant note, I'm feeling a little burned out with Wikipedia myself after this stuff with Winnermario so I may take a short wiki-break myself.  I thought about mentioning the exchange to User:Shauri, who is part of the "Mediation Cabal", only to find that she's on wikibreak herself from nastiness stress.  I'm off-topic... I know you know exactly how I feel and, really, thanks for the feedback on the article.  It's been a real pleasure working on the actual editing of things that I enjoy in real life, and I'm sure that I'll chill out over the next few days.  Jkelly 02:51, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

I'll Be There and Do You Know Where You're Going To
Okay, sorry to bother you, but I've completed the merge of I'll Be There and I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song), and after three reverts of my edits by the same user, there is a discussion going on at Talk:I'll Be There regarding the merge. Also, I've proposed a merge of Theme from Mahogany (Do You Know Where You're Going To) and Do You Know Where You're Going To? (Theme from Mahogany) (Mariah Carey recording) at Talk:Theme from Mahogany (Do You Know Where You're Going To)/temp. Thanks! Extraordinary Machine 02:22, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

US R&B number ones
Hi FF, just wondering if you were still involved with the R&B number-ones pages? I made a comment on Talk:List of number-one R&B hits (USA)/temp.... I have all number ones from 2001 to the present and I can even post them today (in same format as Hot 100 and US Dance lists) but I didn't want to just go ahead if you already had the info saved somewhere... no need to duplicate work. Let me know. -- eo 19:01, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * OK I'll create/publish the 2001-2005 pages. I just noticed your 1978 and 1979 pages have that extra "weeks at #1" column.... is this something you want to run through all the year pages?  The template I have typed up doesn't have that, but I can add it if all the other years will have the column too. -- eo 19:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * cool.... done! I did 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and updated 2005 to look like the others.  I left out that last column per your comment. -- eo 21:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

my first star!!!
hey, hey - thanks so much for the star! i appreciate it and i'm glad you like the work i did. and what's this about you leaving???? i shoulda read your user page earlier. you can't go! i totally know what you mean about the quality control - believe me. i'm far from a perfect editor, but if all the good guys with a brain and the ability to construct a decent article leave this community, then we're really fucked. again, thanks... keep on keepin' on! :-) -- eo 20:04, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Filename
Hey there! Feel free to re-upload your file with the better name. See you around! --HappyCamper 04:58, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello!
I haven't had the opportunity to be properly acquianted with you yet. My name is Courtni, aka Hollow Wilerding. I've been meaning to ask you a question regarding Hollaback Girl, but my mind was apparently elsewhere at the times. Do you know how to retrieve a sample of the song? Unfortunately my knowledge has not been enhanced to the point where I could go ahead and place the recording in the article myself. --Hollow Wilerding 22:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you muchly. Well I was previously test-running the track itself (my husband can't stand it; watch me suffer), and I came to a conclusion that from 2 min, 32 sec. to 3 min, 02 sec. would be best, as the time limit contains the "Shit is bananas" bridge twice, the chorus, and one line from the "Oooh, this my shit" hook. Is it within your reach to accomplish the above? --Hollow Wilerding 23:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I like it, and I thank you. However, I have one more request. Would it be possible for you to label it the way it is in Cool (song)? I.E. "Thirty second sample of 'Cool'" over "Hollaback Girl", and removing the "description"? Then I think this article is complete! :D Much appreciated! --Hollow Wilerding 23:46, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for your help! I was just curious to know, do you think this article has what it takes to become featured without any other edits? --Hollow Wilerding 02:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

re:Hold off on the R&B chart...
Bummer. I have a sinking feeling about it, actually. Billboard is notoriously protective of their chart information and I know that they do have "research services" that would (for a fee) provide a requestor with a number of different reports. They have a "number ones" series in which one could pick a specific chart and Billboard mails you a full list of all the chart-toppers in chronological order. At the same time, however, anyone who purchases one of the Joel Whitburn books (for example) could get a full list right in the back of the book. Did Billboard respond to you directly? If so, do they then contact Wikipedia and have some kind of proclamation published somewhere? -- eo 03:28, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for alerting me of the extreme brokenness of my signature. It wasn't my fault, I tell you! It should be properly formatted now. -- keep sleep ing   say what  03:35, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

speaking of billboard charts...
Hey Freddy, can you take a look at this? I'd like to get the Hot 100 article re-written, as it seems like a bit of a jumbled mess right now and I want to invite some of the people whose names I see on the Hot 100 history page to look it over and offer suggestions/improvements before I just go ahead and publish it. Also, do you think it'd be better to keep my draft where it is or just create a Hot 100/temp page? -- eo 14:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Mariah Carey
Okay, sorry to trouble you again, but since you commenced the cleanup operation on the Mariah Carey article, I thought you should be informed (assuming you haven't been monitoring the situation closely) that myself, User:Journalist and others have been tweaking and trimming it down even more, and it has gone from 62kb to 36kb. I even managed to find a nice public domain photo! Anyway, I was wondering if you could take another look at the article and share your thoughts at Talk:Mariah Carey? It would be much appreciated. Thanks! Extraordinary Machine 21:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Billboard
I agree &mdash; though presumably, especially now that Billboard know what's going on, we should delete the relevant articles pretty quickly.

By the way, my sig has suddenly stopped working; any idea why? --Mel Etitis &#91;&#91;User talk:Mel Etitis&#124;(&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Μελ Ετητης&lt;/font&gt;)]] 22:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Issue
An issue has arisn at Featured article candidates/Hollaback Girl. One user claims that the Hollaback Girl sound sample exceeds 30 seconds. This is not the case, is it? --Hollow Wilerding 00:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Then the person who opposed needs to sort out their priorities before pointing something out that is inaccurate. Thanks. --Hollow Wilerding 20:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I find the onslaught of Beatles fans to be disgusting; and they call out one of the only Gwen Stefani fans on Wikipedia for not doing a good enough job. Why else would there be so many featured articles on The Beatles songs? This is because there are many of them. User:Silence and User:Tsavage have greatly upset me. That is why I want the nomination to halt. I truly don't know what else to fix in the article. --Hollow Wilerding 00:45, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I hate to impose (I've already done this once to you &mdash; shame on me, shame, shame), but would it be possible for you to help me in any sort of way possible? I've mentioned this in the article several times now, but I've been unsuccessful at locating any other information on this song, especially something that is outside of its chart success. Really, I am at a loss, and I want this article to make a comeback like its successor Cool did. I beg of you (which is rather immature and awfully pitiful) to lend me a helping hand. (I must really shake off Winnermario's essence; she left me a name to paint over, but I appear to be failing at this.) --Hollow Wilerding 01:12, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hello again, the sources you provided were of much use, and the English has been cleaned again. Could you address your vote at the Hollaback Girl vote to stay the same or switch ends of the poll? Thanks. --Hollow Wilerding 16:13, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Fawcett-Archie
FF- I've noticed some Archie comics have a small box that says "Fawcett" on the cover. Do you know anything about a relationship between Fawcett and Archie Comics? ike9898 00:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Featured_article_candidates/Hollaback_Girl
I noticed that you cast a vote on the FA nomination for Hollaback Girl, and you don't seem to have been notified on your Talk page that User:Raul654 has cleared and restarted the nomination. If you want to recast your vote, you should do so at the article's new FA page. -- keep sleep ing   say what  04:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarves
The Wikipedia Help Desk has received the following message from the Animation Archive. Images sourced from our webpage http://www.animationarchive.org/2005/10/filmography-coal- black-and-de-sebben.html are included in your entry on the film Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs on this page... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Black_and_de_Sebben_Dwarfs.

ASIFA-Hollywood is a 501(c)(3) non-profit arts and educational organization. The material on our site is presented under "fair use" and other laws for viewing on our page only. We can't authorize the use of the material for use on other pages. Feel free to link to our page, but please don't use the images on your own page.

Thanks Stephen Worth Director ASIFA-Hollywood Animation Archive

As you uploaded at least one of the images, I am advising that I will be seeking the speedy deletion of the image. Capitalistroadster 05:46, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks
I'd like to thank you for your support of my RfA. I appreciate the kind words. I hope that you're having a peaceful-clouds-on-blue-sky time these days. Thanks again. Jkelly 08:44, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

"Administrative position"
I was planning on devoting some of my Wikipedia time to removing copyright-infringing images, and otherwise continuing to do my normal article-writing thing. It hasn't quite worked out that way. I'm sure I'll hit a good mix sooner or later. Jkelly 18:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

A Change Is Gonna Come (song)
I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd check out this page about the Sam Cooke song and give any advice you have. I think it may have a decent chance at FA in the future, so any help is appreciated. Hope you had a great holiday and are enjoying your "semi-retirement" from WP. :) Volatile 20:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking over the article and your helpful copyediting. I added a third source, which details the song's context within the civil rights movement, as well as its legacy (specifically the Al Green version). Again, thanks. Volatile 23:02, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

What's good
I was wondering if you can get a better picture of Pastor Troy for the article. The article original picture that I had uploaded is being considered for {vfd} and I was not too worried about it. But if you could, I'll appreciate it! Thanks LILVOKA 13:33 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Black People article
Hey Fred, I got your message a while back, and in my procrastinatin way I come here to contribute. I'm mostly interested in the Black people article, but also Christian and Muslim history as it portains to Black people. What do I do here? And where is this special board you told me about in my talk page? --Zaphnathpaaneah 02:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

deeceevoice rfc
Hi Furious

Your comments at deeceevoice's RfC are requested. deecee has refused to respond so far.



Thanks

Stub-sorting
The basis of my decision to stub-sort 702 (band), BLACKstreet and Groove Theory as hip hop is that the article introductions at the time of my edits described them as hip-hop groups. --Bruce1ee 04:40, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Bot disambiguation of rap
Although it is a bot, I am making every descision, in the case Hard Core I chose between Rapping and Hip hop music. The reasoning behind that descision is that a reader is best served by going to Rapping (which has a link to hip hop music in the first line anyway). What are you going to do with albums where the the genre is Hip hop/Rap? Anyway, I will stop working on Rap now.--Commander Keane 20:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The bot doesn't have settings, I make every desicion. I'll go through all of the previous edits and fix them accordingly. By the way, in "50 cent in a rap artist", would that go the Rapping or hip hop music?--Commander Keane 20:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you agree with these ones:, ?
 * What about this edit: ?--Commander Keane 21:05, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, I have reviewed all of the bot's Rap edits. Do you have a problem with me going through the remaining 300 "Whatlinkshere" for Rap and fixing those, or would you rather do it?--Commander Keane 23:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * All "Whatlinkshere" for Spinners (disambiguation) have been repaired.--Commander Keane 20:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Cartoon image copyrights
Hey, Freddy. You recently removed fair-use rationale from Image:Woodywoodpecker-pantrypanic1941.jpg, stating in your edit summary that the cartoon is in the public domain. I'm not doubting you, but where can one determine this sort of information? Its 1941 creation date would seemingly place it within the threshold of creation + 95 years set by Eldred v Ashcroft, but I'm no lawyer, and there's probably some wrinkle I'm overlooking that let the cartoon fall into public domain.

Similarly, I've been pestering Vitaphone to provide copyright tags for the tons of images he/she has uploaded. He/she has done so, mostly by labeling things as public domain. See for example Image:BeansPor.jpg and Image:Fatporkyy.jpg. Does Vitaphone know something I don't know? Thanks. — BrianSmithson 13:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for cleaning all that up. I knew there had to be some indication of what was or wasn't PD out there. Now all that remains is possible fallout from the sites Vitaphone yanked the images from. Pietro claims that they're from a bunch of cartoon websites, like Jerry Beck's Cartoon Research and the like. I can't find any word on Beck's site about possible restrictions on using the images there, so maybe things are okay for the moment. — BrianSmithson 14:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

problem with recent rapping edits
1.not all freestyles are competitive, but theyre under that heading. 2.not all battles are freestyled, yet only freestyle battle is addressed, and not battle where emcees use old canned rhymes. Urthogie 03:01, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Question
Why did you remove the link to Unbreakable from Invincible_(album)?? --Unbreakable_MJ 04:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

OK
OK just forget about the the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Unbreakable_(The_Michael_Jackson_song) discussion page post. I just wasted few hours arranging information to make the page but who cares. Do as you like.. everybody here does.

User:Unbreakable MJ
I think that User:Unbreakable MJ is having a rougher introduction to Wikipedia editing than many people do. We do say "Be WP:BOLD", but aren't necessarily very clear about things like page moves, disambiguation, merges, etc, all of which can be very confusing. I hope that user takes it on faith that they are welcome to contribute, but everything that they do will be edited mercilessly. Jkelly 05:23, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

User:86.136.5.242
B-Touch there's got to be something done about the user:MostWanted05 who goes under the annoynous NEWJD or whatever he'll call himself next. After I reinstated the articles on The Game, Aftermath Entertainment, and The Black Wall Street Records. The user keeps putting these garbage statements down. I warned him about the message on the bottom as well as that adding that inappropriate uncomfirmed DVD Stop Lyin'-Stop Snitchin to the article. Should I just block this user for now! Thanks for responding! LILVOKA 17:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:Baby-love-supremes-1964.ogg
Image:Baby-love-supremes-1964.ogg has been orphaned so it can be deleted as Orphaned Fair Use. I do not know if this way intentional or inadvertant but you might want to take corrective action if you want to keep the file -Nv8200p talk 17:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Would you like to be an admin?
I'd love to nominate you if you would. The Literate Engineer 04:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

RnB-album-stub
&#123;{RnB-album-stub}} looks good. And yeah, over 1000 edits a month, somebody nominate this guy. --Interiot 05:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

have it peer reviewed
I made more edits to the article. Think we ready to peer review it?--Urthogie 20:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Everything okay?
I noticed you blanked your user page. That's almost never a good sign. Is everything okay? Please don't tell me you're leaving. Wikipedia needs a level-headed, quality editor like you on the animation and African American topics. Don't let the trolls win. — BrianSmithson 23:27, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Glad to see everything back in place. And sorry to hear about the doldrums. Here's to the speedy end of the holiday season! :) Seriously, though — don't scare us like that! — BrianSmithson 18:55, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Unbreakable (song)
Hi FuriousFreddy

I apologies about my behavior about what happened between us. My behavior was wrong and I'm explaining a bit of it for better understanding (for me mostly). I'm a good person who believes in doing good. I also love Wikipedia so very much because it's useful. I even dared to dream to become a Wikipedian and stay for a long time just to pay back to community.

And yes, I'm a newbie here. I did a lot of my homework (in reading the rules and laws and thoughts that other great Wikipedians put for us to read as guidelines), but still it seems impossible to please even a single user. Some demand strong sources and some are here for fun. Some articles are well-written and others are not up to the quality. Well, in other non-Wikipedia situations people tend to thank me for such great contributions but not here (and not that I'm asking for such thank-yous) but because I follow some excellent long-time proved logic.

About the several-lines in the Unbreakable (The Michael Jackson song) page that I created, it wasn't even mine (the words/lines I mean). When I sent you the message I was referring to what I've been writing offline. I wrote multiple articles and then started on re-formatting them and enhancing them with more and better sources and stuff. What I did before that was that I created the Wikipedia pages and arranged them in order to be ready to post my real contributions. I know people can't see the whole picture until they're forced (somehow) to SEE the whole picture, so I didn't want to post edit after edit. One of the articles was about the Michael Jackson song of course, and I think I've done a good job with it and it is better than article of You Rock My World.

It's true that I've done some mistakes here like using the word "the" in the page naming and stuff like that. I also recognize your good editing to the page Unbreakable_(disambiguation) among other pages.

The whole idea of Wikipedia sounded too good to be true at the beginning to me, then I tried lots of good anonymous edits until I decided to join this good project. Right now I find that Wikipedia actually was too good to be true; as it will never be a good dependable resource as long as edits are going to still be done the way it is today. I mean it takes a blinded-mind to not see what a waste of time these Wikipedia edit wars, the vandalism, the reverts, the crazy IP blockings left and right, and forget about the so-called Neutral point of view (NPoV) of Wikipedia. Oh, and since we're talking about Wikipedia flaws, what's up with this Be Bold bullsh*t?!!! It's just a trap made to waste our time.

I know now that I was happy only at the very beginning, when I was just a simple user-only of Wikipedia, browsing around and reading all sorts of interesting information and valuable facts. And now I think I'm better if I returned to be just that (simple browse-only user). Sometimes I get those wild ideas about how I could've changed it to be much better if it was my own project but of course (it ain't). I can't even believe I couldn't edit my own page recently because of my IP being blocked! I didn't even sign in nor contributed or edited anything (ever since the song articles). I understand that people are misusing their power to edit and I see that in many pages around, but what kind of system punishes for doing nothing?! And what kind of worm welcoming message is that?!

Well, just after what happend with the song articles, I concluded that I wasted a good time of my life doing something for others that will be gone in seconds due to many factors/reasons. I then went offline and wrote a list of of better things I could do with my time/life and started on some of them already. I guess my point is I realized that I would've figured out that editing Wikipedia would be a waste of myself in a shorter period thanks to all the stuff that happened. I'm not here to blame you or something. I'm actually here to thank you for helping me understand this whole thing, and I'm also here to thank you for your work in Wikipedia because you're doing a good job.

You might think that I'm more sensitive than the average, and you're not wrong, because I am. It's my issue and I'm dealing with it and learning to be a better person (though it's related to the artist in me, so it's complicated). So if you thought you had something to do with the way I felt, it's not true. You didn't "just bite a newbie".

Good luck to you my good mate.

PS. Hope you're not leaving Wikipedia like User:BrianSmithson said.

--Unbreakable_MJ 22:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

re:adminship
Well, if you ever do want another nomination, let me know, I'd be glad to see you become an admin. The Literate Engineer 05:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

re:re: your message.
I feel good now that I understand your reasons, and I agree that it was better your way. About the NPoV, I actually believe in it strongly too, and I was referring to the lack of it in many pages. Quick example: on the front page of Wikipedia, the Ariel Sharon article. Is he a war hero or a war criminal? I might have my own opinion (just like anybody else) but an Encyclopædia is not the place for it, just like you said.

Oh and you're a filmmaker?! I'm totally into this form of art (I'm a filmmaker-wannabe. What kind of projects have you worked on lately, if you don't mind me asking?

--Unbreakable_MJ 00:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

peer review
ive begun the peer review for rapping but noones started to help or even made edits since its begun. could you please help? thx! --Urthogie 01:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Fearsome Five
Hi. I expanded the articles for both the Fearsome Five and Doctor Sivana with both text and and images, but whereas everything went okay with the Sivana article, I can't get the image on the Fearsome Five one to display the caption I wrote for it. Do you know what I did wrong? Thanks. Nightscream 09:19, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! And you're welcome. (I made the photo a bit larger than you left it, but not as large as I originally left it, so that it's a bit easier to read.) Happy Holidays! Nightscream 18:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Casting rumors running wild in Batman articles.
The article for "Batman Begins" has loads of casting rumors and speculations by fans that shouldn't be there. I didn't check the articles for Joker, Two-Face and Penguin, but I'll bet there's fan rumors in those articles also. Thanks.

Not really
I didn't mean like, Wile E. and Road Runner should be seperated. I at least want some more informaton about each character than at least a simple reference in one artical. But you've got to admit, a Looney Tunes infobox sounds like a good idea. --Wack&#39;d About Wiki 13:32, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, you got me there. But, if that's what we're going to do, than at least some of the more individual characters (such as Bobo the Elephant and Coniel Shuffle, whom I can't seem to remember playing sidekick) should have articals.

I Heard it Through the Grapevine
Two different versions, both working fine. Oddly, as I was writing this, someone anonymously gave you a test3 and removed it. Jkelly 02:06, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Wacky vandalism warnings
I just bv'ed the anon. Maybe I'll get warned now! Jkelly 02:14, 25 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Template:Bv is what I was referring to. They are clearly being disruptive.  Jkelly 02:18, 25 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, I'll revert them all if its necessary. Can you explain to me what exactly is wrong with the editing, though?  It is not obvious to me what is wrong.  I'll totally take your word that it is a problem, I'd just like to be explain what I'm doing after doing it.  Jkelly 02:47, 25 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Alright then. I've blocked the new IP as well.  A shame that they refuse to discuss anything.  I'll go revert their additions of extra images in a minute.  Jkelly 02:57, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Compilations and stuff
I doubt there'll be consensus for just deleting them, and I think merging into a single article is better than the alternative of filling the wiki with thousands of stubs that will never consist of more than a track listing and release date. I agree that a consolidated page for the Beatles would be unwieldy -- maybe in extreme cases like that we could split it into two articles based on release date. I'm not sure I agree that absolutely no compilations deserve articles (are we only talking about compilations by a single artist? how about a locally-released sampler?). There should definitely be very few; the only one that comes immediately to mind is Bob Marley's Legends, which could probably use an article (CCR's Chronicles and the Beatles One are also maybe possible). It would probably also be very hard to get a consensus that absolutely no compilations deserve articles, better to say virtually none. Best of luck in fixing this area of the pedia up, and merry Christmas! Tuf-Kat 05:24, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Final Words (?)
Look Man! It is pointless and unworthy for me working on any of the entries because as I see you're doing the same on the articles of the same nature, and you sort out things instead of re-editing them (for example I think on Snoop's Trivia it wasn't a good decision to delete his relationship with Stanley "Tookie" Williams). I won't do reverts because it won't solve the problem (OGTV2 is an exception because I defined the core of problem in the questionable evidences of the cited sources...), and because it is against the main principals of Wikipedia. A good exemplification is the reason I haven't put the 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted song in the singles' table : as there was no chart data available on the net, I decided not to write it into the table, because the chart position sections would remain empty, and I was sure that you would delete it (yes I was speculating on you all the time). But I said it previously (and it remained unanswered), I remind you of my appeal by copy-and-pasteing it again : ''[...] I would need some more advise on how to clean up these articles or what precisely are the major tasks to be done. I you define the source of problems maybe I could work on it. I look forward to cooperate with you and [...]Considering all that I am waiting for your response and won't do any new or revert edits until then''. If you want to do it yourself I let you go alone, it's all yours! (I guess you saw there's no assistance no matter how many Clean-up tags you place on any number of pages - about "singles" so to say...) Lajbi 11:45, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Alicia Keys
Hi! Why have you redirected all the singels of Alicia Keys? There were informations about the singels. Should they be added in the article about her? Then someone should add them there. (I'm not sure if my English would be good enough) --Marc-André Aßbrock 18:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, then correct the links in the articles of the albums and maybe I try to add the informations into the articles of the albums. --Marc-André Aßbrock 18:58, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Vitaphone
The now-blocked user Vitaphone re-registered under the username AnimationFanatic in order to avoid me getting my username changed, and registered again as PietroShakarian in an attempt to impersonate me. UPDATE: I'm not sure if somebody banned his former IP or not, but now he's using 202.47.247.156 and now he's impersonating contributor BrianSmithson with Brian Smithson. -- Pietro 19:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Short Notes
I don't really understand what is the problem with the single infobox that has different headlines for Certification and Director (That I used in Let's Get Blown, and saw it on 50 Cent, Justin Timberlake, Beyoncé and other artists' pages to name a few). All other information are common in the two templates. I like it because more detailed but not overdetailed (I must admit that sometimes I exchange the certification section to reviews and vice versa if any is not available by the use of browsers). I tried using allmusic and for the first search criteria it came up with several hits, and all of them misspelled the name of Snoop (Broadis) and Daz (Armand), so can I expect more from that site? Can you give me some other places to get accurate chart data or is the one that I used during my singles' article creation is satisfactory? (It proved to give the same results I found on widely different pages' chart tables). Lajbi 19:29, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I have one last question (really the last one) about singles. The two "perfect" single articles you offered me to viisit (Just My Imagination (Running Away with Me)), or Where Did Our Love Go) in my opinion are waaaay too long, and have a paragraph for every single detail word that could be singurarly placed in a template or table or in a one-line-long sentence. They're just talking round and round the same statement and pushing more and more irrelevant information into the article (they are just singles - a song of max. 5 minutes in other words). It takes more to read the article than listen to the song (imagine the same for movies - just kidding). So I don't see the reason why aren't they tagged while there's not even a single maxi-CD decsription of mine that isn't marked for clean-up (by you). I saw video-plot description of the same sort like I did, production background trivias, ...etc. So I really want to know if my recent editions like Gin and Juice, Drop It Like It's Hot, Let's Get Blown, Signs (song), 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted are up to the standard in the way they are or not. Because they were listed in the Articles fo Deletion talk as set to heavy cleanup. And one more notice : I clean up (means : delete) anything that was written by me, but nothing from others (at most I place them under some subcategory within the article. That's my policy. Consider that some of the articles above contains writings from others, half of the pages had already existed, when I edited an infobox onto them. Lajbi 20:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * And where can I find that other template, I would really want to use that if possible. I don't think mentioning the video director in the middle of a paragraph is the best way to handle them. Nowdays almost every single has a video and their directors are as important as movies' are. Lajbi 20:55, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Singles
The reason why I don't write about impacts, funny stories about the filming, the recording process as it happened and so on..is just because I can't find sources for every bit of information I know about them (and for the old singles such as Gin & Juice is almost impossible). And linking professional reviews are fine for me, but they have no additional info about them just that the editor liked it or not and a scale of 5 stars.
 * Singles' articles don't need "External links" or Reference" section? A good example of info that causes some readers a little brain work is that in Gin and Juice now I don't know from what source did you get the new track length and writer credits.
 * While there's only one template in Wikipedia:Songs, that I've read when I logged for wiki, there's also single Ep tracklisting without any special occasion. The main example Country House (song) from Blur also has...
 * about singles in general : If I start to expand the singles section it would be as long as the Videography section (other pages do have videography section, however it's a fact that every list concerning to Snoop gets too long), because :

1. except the DVD and Guest appearance section, every one is a single of some sort (or a single in other countries like The Mission Cleopatra in France, and I saw it on Missy Elliott's page that a French single with MC Solaar is also enlisted). 2. The main reason I did a separate section is because they do not topped the US and UK charts, but it doesn't mean it wasn't on charts in countries like Australia (Groupie Luv - with good position on New Zealand too), Japan (Aki-la : Freak Da Club) or Germany (Don`t Tell). Don't give me wrong, I don't want to include songs charting Belarus' Top 1500. Almost all of the artists' pages treats cameo songs just as they were the artist's own releases. What do you think about that? 3. There are some scecial collaborations (I used it this time properly) or a remix of a famous song that had video, but despite of coming out as a single, they didn't even reached the top 100, but are worth mentioning. I can't explain it better than that maybe some good examples are helpful enough : Welcome to Atlanta remix (Jermaine Dupri), and Can't Go for that remix (Tamia) and Bigger Business (Swizz Beatz). I don't like this US-UK over against the other parts of the world selection. Shouldn't we shape up the singles table to conform the worth-to-list standard (-of mine, maybe yours too)?Lajbi 22:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

All said and done
Now that's clear talk, with specifitions like this we can aviod misunderstandings. One more comment (you don't have to reply) about the sources I used in singles. The Music Video Database ( is on the Music video page as a tip for good resource page. It's scanty of details (and sometimes it is not up-to-date) but has every entry for every artist and has a separate linkspage, so it's good to start from, and I would continue to use it as a source.Lajbi 23:18, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Merging single articles into album pages
Regarding your comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts: I completely agree with you that a lot of song articles should be merged into the pages for the album they came from, especially if all they do is provide a rundown of the single's chart positions. Unfortunately, I've gotten into a dispute at Talk:Goodies (album) and Talk:Christina Milian (album) about merging single articles into the album pages, when I (like you) believe that merging short articles or articles about non-notable songs elsewhere should be easy, uncontroversial and not result in edit wars. Album articles seem to be treated by many as nothing more than platforms for single articles; for example, the latest flop single by Lindsay Lohan is longer than the article for the flop album it came from. Anyway, rant over, and sorry to bother you. :) Hope you have a nice time for the remainder of the holidays. Extraordinary Machine 03:07, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Unexplained removal of recently added material from Snoop Dogg discography and filmography
I already queried one of your recent edits on this article's talk page but came here when I got no response after a couple of days. I'll leave this up for a couple of more days so that, if you're still checking this talk page, you'll see it before I take action.

The edit in question involves the removal of a stubstantial amount of information, mainly about mixtapes. I wondered why you removed this. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)