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Common law
You reverted five edits, and say that "one or more of your recent contributions" does "not appear constructive." Could you be a little more specific? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.169.56.27 (talk) 21:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


 * You're adding unsourced content and excessive links that link to different sections of the article. Please see WP:RS and MOS:OVERLINK. FuriouslySerene (talk) 17:45, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll need a little more explanation. 1.  Can you identify specific instances of "excessive links" that are excessive against this advice from the MOS and facts specific to this article --
 * Do use a link wherever appropriate, but as far as possible do not force a reader to use that link to understand the sentence.MOS:LINKSTYLE
 * "A good question to ask yourself is whether reading the article you're about to link to would help someone understand the article you are linking from." MOS:OVERLINK
 * Do not link to pages that redirect back to the page the link is on (unless the link is to a redirect with possibilities that links to an appropriate section of the current article). MOS:OVERLINK
 * "Other examples of permissible self-references of this sort include disambiguation links..."
 * Articles on technical subjects might demand a higher density of links than general-interest articles, because they are likely to contain more technical terms that general dictionaries are unlikely to explain in context.MOS:OVERLINK
 * Certain facts relevant to a common topic were spread around the article in several places, for example observations about Canada and India. I consolidated them in one place, and linked them at the old location -- they're relevant at the old location, and the links "would help someone understand the article you are linking from."  Seems like exactly the kind of thing that links are for, true?


 * The closest thing seems to be this:
 * Refrain from implementing colored links that may impede user ability to distinguish links from regular text, or color links for purely aesthetic reasons.
 * But there are no "colored links."


 * 2. Can you identify specific instance of "unsourced content", and explain why a revert is a more appropriate remedy than a "citation needed" tag?  I note that the principle is not "unsourced," but rather "The prohibition against OR means that all material added to articles must be attributable to a reliable, published source, even if not actually attributed."  WP:NOR  If simply replicating a footnote is the issue, that's easy enough, if you give specific indications.


 * A non-specific comment, removal citations to other places that *do* give more specific explanations and then complaining about "unsourcing," and big reverts of material that (as far as I know) meets the Manual "does not appear constructive." WP:AGF It's very hard to treat a condition with no diagnosis.


 * 50.169.56.27 (talk) 23:50, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * See MOS:DUPLINK: "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article." You're adding links to the same page over a dozen times, which does not help a reader's understanding of the page. I'm not aware of a single other WP article that uses dozens of links to different sections of the same page. The reason is that it's confusing and doesn't read well. The other issue is that the use of "three connotations" is not supported by reliable sources. No reliable source says that common law has three connotations or uses that terminology. See WP:SYNTH for more on impermissible uses of original research. Furthermore, as for the unsourced content you added, see WP:V: "All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed." You need to provide a reliable source for the content you are adding, or it will be removed. FuriouslySerene (talk) 05:41, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Canadian Judicial Council
Early retirement is not the same as resignation under the Judges Act. A justice who resigns is not necessarily eligible for annuities (with certain exceptions as stipulated in the Act), and they are not eligible to be appointed as a deputy judge in the future. The source cited prior to my edit also clearly used the words "retirement" and "stayed". Also, the inquiry already began (and hence the panel accepted her early retirement offer). As such, "Resigned before inquiry began" is factually incorrect.--Cahk (talk) 11:08, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I see you've included the secondary source this time from the Winnipeg Sun, and added a wikilink, which I think is an improvement. You are also right that the inquiry did begin, so you've made a good correction to the outcome column. However, you'll note the other column is titled "Committee recommendation." The committee did not recommend "staying" the decision (the committee did not make the deal or render a decision) so I think it may be inaccurate. In the future, I think you can post this sort of comment to the talk page of the article, as others might want to offer their opinion as well. FuriouslySerene (talk) 17:47, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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Revision of Committee on Monetary and Economic Reform
Hi FuriouslySerene,

In this edit motivated by No original research it says that:

"COMER was co-founded by William Krehm, a Trotskyist and Toronto resident"

While the mention of being a Toronto resident would be relevant, why was it necessary to bring up the ideological background of this person since the organisation is most probably not political? --JamesPoulson (talk) 17:21, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You don't think the political views of the founder of a political organization are relevant to a page on the organization? The Toronto Star clearly disagrees, since Trotsky is mentioned 11 times in an article about him. FuriouslySerene (talk) 20:28, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

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Weight in umpire articles
Hi FurioslySerene. I have made an argument at Talk:Chris Conroy as to why I believe WP:undue applies to umpire articles. The argument will be similar at Vic Carapazza and Phil Cuzzi, but I thought I would start at that article first instead of spreading the discussion across multiple forums. I am planning on going through all the umpire biographies and making them more due, so ideally I would like to convince you that my approach and reasoning is supported by the policies and guidelines. Contrary to what might be perceived I am not trying to remove all criticism from sports officials articles. If you think a particular incident occurs that is notable enough to include in an umpires bio then I am more than willing to be persuaded to add, defend and even expand on it. AIR corn (talk) 04:35, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Would it suit you if I open an RFC about this now, or would you rather wait until after the New Year? AIR corn (talk) 03:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have written a draft question at User:Aircorn/Sandbox/Baseball umpire RFC. Feel free to comment there or here on it. I will also drop a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball linking there. AIR corn (talk) 08:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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Kevin O'Leary
He has entered the leadership race officially now. So the sentence about him considering entering the race is outdated. Also, he's middle-eastern (half Lebanese half Irish) so the Trump comparisons are pretty far-fetched. In fairness, we need to include his response to these comparisons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.64.241.27 (talk) 03:31, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Yosef Yitzchok Lerner


The article Yosef Yitzchok Lerner has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
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 * Why did you post this here? FuriouslySerene (talk) 01:26, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

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Comment on Gross National Happiness Article
Hi FS, regarding deleting the milestones section, you have good point about editors should not make the connection, the original sources should.

I'm including the following references for your consideration.

The source articles making the connection between their initiatives and the gross national happiness philosophy

Bhutan Local GNH Index http://www.ophi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Ura-et-al-Bhutan-Happiness-Chapter.pdf

International Institute of Management's Global GNH Index https://www.iim-edu.org/grossnationalhappiness/

Thailand GNH http://thainews.prd.go.th/website_en/news/news_detail/WNPOL5910120010021

Dubai Ministry of Happiness https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/10/world/middleeast/emirates-want-to-top-the-world-in-happiness-too.html?_r=0

So, can you please undo the delete and keep the content related to the above milestones. I will research the other connections and update them one by one. If no connection is found, no new entries will be made. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, and I hope you can hold my hand with the new edits.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.90.13.192 (talk) 11:40, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * First off, I suggest making an account. It's much easier to edit. Second, you should post these comments on the talk page of GNH, not here. That way all editors to the topic can see your comments and can discuss what should be included. I agree that some of the stuff deleted can probably be restored. I think you should post a comment there explaining what you think belongs and I can help out as well. FuriouslySerene (talk) 01:35, 29 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks FuriouslySerene, yes please, I do need your help. can you please include links to how to create an account. Wikipedia can be overwhelming, your help can shorten my learning curve and I can participate more productively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.90.13.192 (talk) 04:08, 29 January 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem, happy to help. Wikipedia can be a bit confusing for beginners. First, go here and create an account: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CreateAccount. When you're done, go to this site: Tutorial. That will give you the basics of editing. There are a ton of other resources, such as this: GLAM/Beginner's guide to Wikipedia. If you have any other questions, feel free to post here and I'll try to help. Welcome! FuriouslySerene (talk) 07:15, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Royal Bank of Canada FYI
You may be interested in this discussion. World&#39;s Lamest Critic (talk) 17:28, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I saw. Pretty frustrating to spend 30 minutes removing promotional content and other useless info from a page and then have it reverted because "it's such a large edit and I can't be bothered to read the whole thing." FuriouslySerene (talk) 23:36, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion
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ALLEGATIONS OF VANDALISM ARE UNWELCOME
You allege that I vandalized the Argus Corporation page, when I did no such thing. I suggest that you retract your allegations, and remove your spurious edit.

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 * I already responded on your page, but in case you didn't see, I posted the warning because of this edit, in which you described a writer in the Globe and Mail as an "ink stained wretch." Please refrain from adding insults, and other personal opinions, into Wikipedia in the future. FuriouslySerene (talk) 23:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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After providing solid and reliable sources for my editing of Value Partners (asset management), i was wondering why all the changes was rejected so far...

Value Partners (asset management)
After providing solid and reliable sources for my editing of Value Partners (asset management), i was wondering why all the changes was rejected so far... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vpmarcom (talk • contribs) 09:39, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Follow up on Value Partners (asset management)
Morning. You said "There's nothing wrong with adding content and sources. and one of the bigger problems with your edits is that you removed sourced content, without a valid reason. "

For example, the CEO of Value Partners had already been changed to Dr. AU King Lun in Jan 2017, and I already provided the related link. Can you tell me why this kind of "old and inaccurate content" cannot be removed?

Other changes I made includes the updated title of the chairman and the latest AUM of the group. Each changes was attached with official announcement files. For these changes, I don't think it will be appropriate to keep the old and wrong fact, and reject the latest truth. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vpmarcom (talk • contribs) 01:58, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you're deliberately ignoring what I said about conflict of interest issues and removal of sourced content. I would suggest you post your proposed changes here Talk:Value Partners (asset management) for discussion, and they can then be added. Also please remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~). Please do not remove sourced content without first discussing on the talk page. FuriouslySerene (talk) 02:42, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Kevin O'Leary
I removed the part about "other politicians". The article currently does not have sources which back up this claim. However, many of the changes you inadvertently reinserted have faced harsh backlash on the talk page.

Since January 30th, 2017, Korny has been trying to edit-war in content on the Kevin O'Leary WP page. While many other users have simply been reverting these changes and/or objecting to them on the talk page, I have been editing out the more objectionable content in the hopes of reaching a compromise.

Specifically, this user has:

1) Inserted POV language describing both Trump and O'Leary as having the same "brash opinionated style". This is an opinion, not a fact. This unflattering language is written in a POV way, and violates the Biographies of living persons policy. Many of the sources also claim the opposite is true, and argue that they have very different styles and personalities. 2) Inserted that they both have the same "right wing platforms" (February 16th), which this user then changed to the same "tax and regulations" platforms (sources don't mention regulations). It is unclear which taxes and regulations are being discussed. Regardless, other sources describe their economic policies as very different. 3) Unexplained removal of the well-sourced O'Leary quote in response to this comparison. This was perhaps the most important part of the original article as it provides a fair response. 4) The "Praising Trump, smart as a fox" sentence is unclear which policy O'Leary is allegedly talking about. By itself it is very misleading, and overall unnecessary. Numerous users have also objected to this on the talk page.

Please comment on these changes made by Korny on the talk page. Alternatively, consider editing the paragraph fixing the issues listed above as well as any other issues you have with the article. MohammedMohammedمحمد 17:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey . Thanks for the message. I reverted the edit because it appeared that you added unsourced content, including the "other politicians" thing. I didn't mean to endorse the current version, just simply per WP:V unsourced content shouldn't be added to page without an inline cite. The issues you've cited certainly sound like they need to be dealt with. However, I see you've since re-added the "superficial similarities" line, which I also tried to remove. The line must be cited to a source, and not stated as a fact. Take a look at WP:WORDS for more on this issue. FuriouslySerene (talk) 22:47, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

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Nazarian family
Hi FuriouslySerene.

I am reaching out to you because you were the editor that nominated the Nazarian family Wikipedia page for AfD. About a week after that AfD closed, another IP added two people from the Nazarian family as co-founders of Qualcomm in the infobox here. A quick Google search suggests they were early investors, not founders. I am affiliated with Qualcomm, and so WP:COI prohibits me from making the correction myself. I was hoping you would take a look and revert if you feel appropriate.

CorporateM (Talk) 18:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * It looks like the Izak Parviz Nazarian page also incorrectly identifies him as a Qualcomm co-founder. CorporateM (Talk) 22:20, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I agree I don't see any sourcing for the claim, so I've reverted. In the future, you might want to post a comment on the talk page of the relevant article, as that might be more efficient for you. FuriouslySerene (talk) 00:34, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

DiSC Article
You are arbitrarily applying a standard to one passage of the article with no apparent reason. Please be consistent in your edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.88.236.133 (talk) 20:50, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * There's no requirement to "be consistent" when removing unsourced content (you can remove other content if you think there's no source for it either). There is a requirement in Wikipedia policy to not add or restore content that is unsourced without an inline citation, under WP:UNSOURCED. I've linked to that many times when posting warnings to your page, which you have chosen to ignore for some reason. FuriouslySerene (talk) 20:57, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

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Read this in another language • Subscription list for the English Wikipedia • Subscription list for the multilingual edition Did you know? Did you know that you can now use the visual diff tool on any page?



Sometimes, it is hard to see important changes in a wikitext diff. This screenshot of a wikitext diff (click to enlarge) shows that the paragraphs have been rearranged, but it does not highlight the removal of a word or the addition of a new sentence.

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This screenshot shows the same edit as the wikitext diff. The visual diff highlights the removal of one word and the addition of a new sentence. An arrow indicates that the paragraph changed location.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has spent most of their time supporting the 2017 wikitext editor mode, which is available inside the visual editor as a Beta Feature, and improving the visual diff tool. Their work board is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the work finished each week at VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, supporting the 2017 wikitext editor, and improving the visual diff tool.

Recent changes

 * The 2017 wikitext editor is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. It has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools.  The team have been comparing the performance of different editing environments.  They have studied how long it takes to open the page and start typing.  The study uses data for more than one million edits during December and January.  Some changes have been made to improve the speed of the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual editor.  Recently, the 2017 wikitext editor opened fastest for most edits, and the 2010 WikiEditor was fastest for some edits.  More information will be posted at Contributors/Projects/Editing performance.
 * The visual diff tool was developed for the visual editor. It is now available to all users of the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor.  When you review your changes, you can toggle between wikitext and visual diffs.  You can also enable the new Beta Feature for "Visual diffs".  The Beta Feature lets you use the visual diff tool to view other people's edits on page histories and Special:RecentChanges.
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Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has wrapped up most of their work on the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual diff tool. The team has begun investigating the needs of editors who use mobile devices. Their work board is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are fixing bugs and improving mobile editing.

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 * The Editing team has begun a design study of visual editing on the mobile website. New editors have trouble doing basic tasks on a smartphone, such as adding links to Wikipedia articles.  You can read the report.
 * The Reading team is working on a separate mobile-based contributions project.
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Every article has a pencil icon at the top. Tap on the pencil icon to start editing.

 Edit Cards 



This is what the new Edit Cards for editing links in the mobile visual editor look like. You can try the prototype here: 📲 Try Edit Cards.

Welcome back to the Editing newsletter.

Since the last newsletter, the team has released two new features for the mobile visual editor and has started developing three more. All of this work is part of the team's goal to make editing on mobile web simpler.

Before talking about the team's recent releases, we have a question for you:

Are you willing to try a new way to add and change links?

If you are interested, we would value your input! You can try this new link tool in the mobile visual editor on a separate wiki.

Follow these instructions and share your experience:

📲 Try Edit Cards.

Recent releases
The mobile visual editor is a simpler editing tool, for smartphones and tablets using the mobile site. The Editing team has recently launched two new features to improve the mobile visual editor:


 * 1) Section editing
 * 2) * The purpose is to help contributors focus on their edits.
 * 3) * The team studied this with an A/B test. This test showed that contributors who could use section editing were 1% more likely to publish the edits they started than people with only full-page editing.
 * 4) Loading overlay
 * 5) * The purpose is to smooth the transition between reading and editing.

Section editing and the new loading overlay are now available to everyone using the mobile visual editor.

New and active projects
This is a list of our most active projects. Watch these pages to learn about project updates and to share your input on new designs, prototypes and research findings.


 * Edit cards: This is a clearer way to add and edit links, citations, images, templates, etc. in articles. You can try this feature now.  Go here to see how: 📲Try Edit Cards.
 * Mobile toolbar refresh: This project will learn if contributors are more successful when the editing tools are easier to recognize.
 * Mobile visual editor availability: This A/B test asks: Are newer contributors more successful if they use the mobile visual editor?  We are collaborating with 20 Wikipedias to answer this question.
 * Usability improvements: This project will make the mobile visual editor easier to use.  The goal is to let contributors stay focused on editing and to feel more confident in the editing tools.

Looking ahead

 * Wikimania: Several members of the Editing Team will be attending Wikimania in August 2019.  They will lead a session about mobile editing in the Community Growth space.  Talk to them about how editing can be improved.
 * Talk Pages: In the coming months, the Editing Team will begin improving talk pages and communication on the wikis.

Learning more
The VisualEditor on mobile is a good place to learn more about the projects we are working on. The team wants to talk with you about anything related to editing. If you have something to say or ask, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

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Editing News #2 – Mobile editing and talk pages – October 2019
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Inside this newsletter, the Editing team talks about their work on the mobile visual editor, on the new talk pages project, and at Wikimania 2019.

Help
What talk page interactions do you remember? Is it a story about how someone helped you to learn something new? Is it a story about how someone helped you get involved in a group? Something else? Whatever your story is, we want to hear it!

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Talk Pages
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Mobile visual editor
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Edit Cards



 * On 3 September, the Editing team released version 3 of Edit Cards. Anyone could use the new version in the mobile visual editor.
 * There is an updated design on the Edit Card for adding and modifying links. There is also a new, combined workflow for editing a link's display text and target.
 * Feedback: You can try the new Edit Cards by opening the mobile visual editor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Edit cards talk page.

Toolbar



 * In September, the Editing team updated the mobile visual editor's editing toolbar. Anyone could see these changes in the mobile visual editor.
 * One toolbar: All of the editing tools are located in one toolbar. Previously, the toolbar changed when you clicked on different things.
 * New navigation: The buttons for moving forward and backward in the edit flow have changed.
 * Seamless switching: an improved workflow for switching between the visual and wikitext modes.
 * Feedback: You can try the refreshed toolbar by opening the mobile VisualEditor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Toolbar feedback talk page.

Wikimania
The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.

Looking ahead

 * Talk Pages Project: The team is thinking about the first set of proposed changes.  The team will be working with a few communities to pilot those changes. The best way to stay informed is by adding your username to the list on the project page: Getting involved.
 * Testing the mobile visual editor as the default: The Editing team plans to post results before the end of the calendar year. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: VisualEditor as mobile default project page.
 * Measuring the impact of Edit Cards: The Editing team hopes to share results in November.  This study asks whether the project helped editors add links and citations.  The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: Edit Cards project page.

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Editing news 2020 #1 – Discussion tools
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The Editing team has been working on the talk pages project. The goal of the talk pages project is to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily. This project is the result of the Talk pages consultation 2019.



The team is building a new tool for replying to comments now. This early version can sign and indent comments automatically. Please test the new Reply tool.


 * On 31 March 2020, the new tool was offered as a Beta Feature editors at four Wikipedias:  Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian.  If your community also wants early access to the new tool, contact User:Whatamidoing (WMF).
 * The team is planning some upcoming changes. Please review the proposed design and share your thoughts on the talk page.  The team will test features such as:
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 * a rich-text visual editing option, and
 * other features identified through user testing or recommended by editors.

To hear more about Editing Team updates, please add your name to the "Get involved"  section of the project page. You can also watch these pages: the main project page, Updates, Replying, and User testing.

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Editing news 2020 #2 – Quick updates
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This edition of the Editing newsletter includes information the Talk pages project, an effort to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily. The central project page is on MediaWiki.org.


 * Reply tool : This is available as a Beta Feature at the four partner wikis (Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian Wikipedias). The Beta Feature will get new features soon.  The new features include writing comments in a new visual editing mode and pinging other users by typing  . You can test the new features on the Beta Cluster.  Some other wikis will have a chance to try the Beta Feature in the coming months.
 * New requirements for user signatures : Soon, users will not be able to save invalid custom signatures in Special:Preferences. This will reduce signature spoofing, prevent page corruption, and make new talk page tools more reliable.  Most editors will not be affected.
 * New discussion tool : The Editing team is beginning work on a simpler process for starting new discussions.   You can see the initial design on the project page.
 * Research on the use of talk pages : The Editing team worked with the Wikimedia research team to study how talk pages help editors improve articles.  We learned that new editors who use talk pages make more edits to the main namespace than new editors who don't use talk pages.

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Editing news 2020 #3


Seven years ago this week, the Editing team made the visual editor available by default to all logged-in editors using the desktop site at the English Wikipedia. Here's what happened since its introduction:


 * The 50 millionth edit using the visual editor on desktop was made this year. More than 10 million edits have been made here at the English Wikipedia.
 * More than 2 million new articles have been created in the visual editor. More than 600,000 of these new articles were created during 2019.
 * Almost 5 million edits on the mobile site have been made with the visual editor. Most of these edits have been made since the Editing team started improving the mobile visual editor in 2018.
 * The proportion of all edits made using the visual editor has been increasing every year.
 * Editors have made more than 7 million edits in the 2017 wikitext editor, including starting 600,000 new articles in it. The 2017 wikitext editor is VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode.  You can enable it in your preferences.
 * On 17 November 2019, the first edit from outer space was made in the mobile visual editor.
 * In 2019, 35% of the edits by newcomers, and half of their first edits, were made using the visual editor. This percentage has been increasing every year since the tool became available.

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Editing news 2020 #4
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Reply tool


The Reply tool  has been available as a Beta Feature at the Arabic, Dutch, French and Hungarian Wikipedias since 31 March 2020. The first analysis showed positive results.


 * More than 300 editors used the Reply tool at these four Wikipedias. They  posted more than 7,400 replies during the study period.
 * Of the people who posted a comment with the Reply tool, about 70% of them used the tool multiple times. About 60% of them used it on multiple days.
 * Comments from Wikipedia editors are positive. One said, أعتقد أن الأداة تقدم فائدة ملحوظة؛ فهي تختصر الوقت لتقديم رد بدلًا من التنقل بالفأرة إلى وصلة تعديل القسم أو الصفحة، التي تكون بعيدة عن التعليق الأخير في الغالب، ويصل المساهم لصندوق التعديل بسرعة باستخدام الأداة.  ("I think the tool has a significant impact; it saves time to reply while the classic way is to move with a mouse to the Edit link to edit the section or the page which is generally far away from the comment. And the user reaches to the edit box so quickly to use the Reply tool.")

The Editing team released the Reply tool as a Beta Feature at eight other Wikipedias in early August. Those Wikipedias are in the Chinese, Czech, Georgian, Serbian, Sorani Kurdish, Swedish, Catalan, and Korean languages. If you would like to use the Reply tool at your wiki, please tell User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF).

The Reply tool is still in active development. Per request from the Dutch Wikipedia and other editors, you will be able to customize the edit summary. (The default edit summary is "Reply".) A "ping" feature is available in the Reply tool's visual editing mode. This feature searches for usernames. Per request from the Arabic Wikipedia, each wiki will be able to set its own preferred symbol for pinging editors. Per request from editors at the Japanese and Hungarian Wikipedias, each wiki can define a preferred signature prefix in the page MediaWiki:Discussiontools-signature-prefix. For example, some languages omit spaces before signatures. Other communities want to add a dash or a non-breaking space.

New requirements for user signatures

 * The new requirements for custom user signatures began on 6 July 2020. If you try to create a custom signature that does not meet the requirements, you will get an error message.
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Next, the team will be working on a tool for quickly and easily starting a new discussion section to a talk page. To follow the development of this new tool, please put the New Discussion Tool project page on your watchlist.

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