User talk:Fvasconcellos/Archive 20

Wie erstelle ich Strukturformeln? (in short)

 * Welche Formel ist die Richtige?: Don't use valence bonds for drawing NaCl [:-)]. Only draw crystal structures if you have some experience with perspectives.
 * Software: a list of freeware / open source formula drawing programmes
 * Empfohlene Formate und das Hochladen: Use SVG, and as a second option PNG with a width of 1000-2000px. Upload on Commons is preferable. Upload as Public Domain.
 * Uniformität von Strukturformeln: How skeletal formulae should look: black on transparent; atom numbers, binding angles, carbons etc only if necessary in the context, and never in chemboxes; hydrogens only in aldehydes and on hetero atoms; draw methyl unless it makes the image to complicated: methanol is H3C—OH, not —OH (and use one of the two conventions uniformly in one formula); use abbrs like Me, Et, Ph, Φ only if absolutely necessary; a list of measures for line lengths, widths etc; wedges point to the assymetric atom (as per IUPAC, see Image:Calcitriol2.svg); don't link two assymetric atoms with a wedge.
 * 3D-Modelle kleiner Moleküle: see my last entry
 * 3D Modelle von Biopolymeren (Proteine): Tertiary structures of proteins: The legend should contain your source (link to the PDB page where the data comes from) and the type of model (cartoon, surface, sticks...). Unsourced images may be deleted without comment. Models drawn from crystal data are no crystal structures, they are visualisations of crystal structures.
 * Artikel mit fehlender Strukturformel: If an infobox misses a formula, it automatically generates a note "missing formula" linking to this page ("Wie erstelle ich Strukturformeln?"), and adds the article to the category "Strukturformel nicht vorhanden" ("Missing formula").

Tell me if you need some more information! --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 17:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

FYI
Sorry, in a hurry today, did you seee this? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Did you see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pharmacology and Wikipedia_talk:MED? :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 18:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Vatalanib

 * You're welcome, Fvasconcellos. Thank you for writing up the nice article.  We could use more science at DYK.  Please be encouraged to self-nominate your next article.  Happy editing! --PFHLai (talk) 15:44, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

black box warnings
Why were the Black Box Warnings removed from the fluoroquinolone drug pages? Is this not to be considered THE most important information regarding this class? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.254.65.104 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 29 November 2008
 * I removed the warning text because Wikipedia entries cannot carry warnings or disclaimers of any kind in the article body. All the relevant information is still there, it's just worded differently—see, for instance, this section from Levofloxacin:


 * Tendon rupture
 * As with all fluoroquinolones, there are numerous documented cases of spontaneous tendon rupture, most often of the Achilles tendon. Such ruptures may occur both during therapy and long after therapy has been discontinued; there are documented cases where such ruptures have occurred over a year later. The risk of tendon damage is greater in people taking corticosteroids and in the elderly.
 * Since July 2008, all systemic fluoroquinolones (those taken internally, not as eye drops or ear drops) available in the United States must carry a boxed warning warning of the risk of tendon damage.


 * I happen to think this is much more informative, and presents the risk much more clearly, than


 * WARNING: Fluoroquinolones, including (insert drug name), are associated with an increased risk of tendinitis and tendon rupture in all ages. This risk is further increased in older patients usually over 60 years of age, in patients taking corticosteroid drugs, and in patients with kidney, heart or lung transplants (See WARNINGS).


 * This is pretty irrelevant to a Wikipedia article. It doesn't even include the drug name (!), and refers the reader to a "WARNINGS" section when there is none—and rightly so, because Wikipedia articles are not package inserts. Besides, since tendinopathy is a class effect, it is covered in further detail in the main Quinolone article. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 10:34, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

The statement that "The risk of tendon damage is greater in people taking corticosteroids and in the elderly" though technically correct statistically based upon extremely limited data (as few if any physicians associate tendon ruptures with the fluoroquinolones and therefore would fail to report such events), it is not correct in reality. Such ruptures occur in all age groups including those who have NONE of the stated risk factors. Should we not make note of this fact as well? As that statement tends to trivialize the very real risk that the average patient may very well experience such a rupture absent of any predisposing factors. Including age and the use of other drugs.

Additionally would it be proper to include in the article the fact that such ruptures have been reported every year since 1982? (For well over twenty six years now) And that numerous petitions had been filed with the FDA since 1996 seeking these warnings, (only to be denied by the FDA) as well as the fact that the FDA had to be sued in Federal Court in January of 2008, before these warnings were even added? Or would such information be inapropriate for an encylopedia entry? 96.254.65.104 (talk) 00:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

WT:MED
JFW suggested that you write a Letter to the Editor concerning that study, Mastcell and the others who have commented would most likely be interested in helping... Are you already working on this, and if not, are you interested? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've e-mailed him now. Thanks for your trust in me, but I have a lot of work in real life right now, and I anticipate on getting more work on a study on Wikipedia I wrote with TimVickers, and which is due for review soon... If e-mailed to JFW that I think you guys are more than competent, but if you need help with anything, I'd be more than willing to help out. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * With our study, I asked Jfdwolff and Samir to proof-read, and thanked them in an acknowledgment. Maybe you guys could do something similar. I think the authors should be the ones who have contributed substantially, and there should be a clear distinction between them and others who just support what was written. I'd be more than happy to sign the petition ;-) . Yes, my study was a bit secret, I'll try sending you a copy of the manuscript via e-mail. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:49, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm on call all day today and got home late yesterday, I won't be able to e-mail you before tomorrow evening... It's on my laptop at home and I'm stuck in the hospital... --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:49, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Header
Howdy! Would you mind if I stole what you've got at User:Fvasconcellos/Header to create a personalised version? I like how it's laid out and I need something decent. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 17:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot :) It's a lot neater and looks good in IE unlike my old version. What happened with the reversion on my admin coaching page? ;) —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 19:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, haha, just curious. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 19:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

choline thingy
Done, I hadn't heard of WP:MEDMOS, but if that's non-proprietary, it makes sense.:) Sticky Parkin 00:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Header
I stole the idea of your talk page header:) If you can improve mine, please do.:)  Hopeless at stuff like this but thought it was great.:) Sticky Parkin 03:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oooh thanks.:) Perfect- I tried to do that but couldn't do it. Lol I see someone else above also stole it a bit.:) Sticky Parkin 16:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Quick question
Are you a medical doctor? I always see you around at WP:MED but I have no idea if you actually are or not, because you're active at pharmacology too ;) —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 21:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahhh makes sense, thanks. Don't worry I'm not questioning your knowledge or anything, just curious! —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 22:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a problem—feel free to question! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 22:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

laudanum
I have post it at the medicine project; but as I know your interest in pharmacology I thought you may be interested in taking a fast check in the article: it has doses information and it is not included in the medicine project. Best regards —Garrondo (talk) 12:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look. Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 12:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

FKBP
This doesn't strictly belong here, but can you tell me what the "FK" in FKBP and FK506 means? Thanks --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 16:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Spamming my friends
Per this upcoming event: I'm anticipating some tic-related vandalism at Brad Cohen, Tourette syndrome and coprolalia when the show airs. (Brad is an extraordinary fellow in case you want to watch the program; no advance news on whether the story will stay accurate, but they usually don't. Most TS shows opt for sensationalism, but Brad's tics are so sensational anyway, it would be hard to exaggerate them.) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * * adds to Watchlist* ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, dear :-) Sandy Georgia (Talk) 00:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll also add it to the Watchlist that counts. The virtual one is now officially unmanageable at ~6000 articles... cleanup time. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That watchlist the counts stopped working at my house :/ Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

FPC
Could you come back to the Mount Redoubt FPC? An edit has been added. Thanks, &mdash;C eranthor 00:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Semi protection of Rock of Love: Charm School
It appears that you semi'd the article, but for some reason an IP was able to make an edit today. See here. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 06:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh... np... these things happen to the best of us. :-) &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 06:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for November 2008
SoxBot II (talk) 02:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Molybdopterin
The molecular formula listed in the infobox: C10H14N5O6PS2, contains no molybdenum. This is odd, since both the structural formula and the article (not to mention the name of the compound) include it. I corrected the formula to C10H14MoN5O6PS2, but not being a chemist I would feel more comfortable if somebody knowledgeable checked it. I'm contacting you, since article history lists you as author of the infobox. Thanks in advance. Freederick (talk) 03:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Many people think that the name is odd and I am unsure if the nomenclature is used very carefully except by biosynthetic types.  In any case, I rewrote the article and removed your nice graphic (which has a legitimate future in this or related article. One mortal sin that you committed (at least mortal to an inorganic person) is that your pic had 2-coordinate Mo, which my tribe does not like.  If you think that I messed up, was too pushy, or whatever, feel free to comment or even revert.  Thanks for bringing this article to the attention of WE-chem.  Cheers,--Smokefoot (talk) 01:11, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Gol 1907
Hi Fvasconcellos, since the Gol 1907 final report has recently come in, I spent some time overhauling the article and preparing it for FA. I think it would be a good candidate for that, but it may need more work. If you have a chance, would you mind looking at it? Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 17:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Good to hear from you too. I'm looking forward to your input. Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 15:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all your suggestions. I have copied them to the article's talk page, and will address all of them. BTW, we used to have a footnote for squawk ident that dropped out during the recent post final report overhaul. Thanks again and happy holidays, Crum375 (talk) 17:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

hanukkah page protection
I would like to ask the protection to be removed and give people a chance, tomorrow night is Hanukkah, Now is the time that people are viewing it and interested most. Maybe the trouble makers of the last years are already gone. thanks for your consideration.--Jena0987 (talk) 20:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Very well, but if heavy vandalism returns so will the protection. Doesn't Hanukkah start on Sunday? Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:11, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, but I think unprotecting the page was an exceedingly bad idea. The page was the subject of heavy IP vandalism when it was protected and it's rather obvious that this is the highest risk time for the article. Sometimes vandalism on that page can be so heavy during the holiday season that responsible editors can't keep up with it. The page was only semi-protected so autoconfirmed editors can still edit it. I think it's a bit out of process for an editor with as few edits a Jena to make a request like this on an admin's talk page, bypassing WP:RFP --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 16:41, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry Steven, thats right, I am new here, But I did not try to bypass WP:RFP I saw that the first step is to talk to the editor that blocked it only AFTER that you can put a request there. here is the quote "If you are requesting unprotection, it is almost always a good idea to ask the protecting admin first before listing a page here."--Jena0987 (talk) 18:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, asking the protecting admin first is always a good idea. Steven, I happen to agree that the article was being vandalized very heavily, and I am personally of the opinion that protection is never a bad idea when a page is most visible, but I do understand where Jena's coming from (a similar argument is quite well made at For and Against TFA protection). Don't worry; if vandalism returns, I will restore semi-protection, and if I'm not around for any reason WP:RFPP is just around the corner ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 18:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, My mistake, Hanukkah starts Sunday night (Monday actually) --Jena0987 (talk) 19:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize profoundly. I misunderstood policy. However, please take a look at the article history for today and re-protect. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 22:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * With all due respect I still happen to believe that it is not the right time now to protect the page, contrary to your believe, even registered users as myself can not edit a page while it is semi-protected. A very interesting point was added today on the Hanukkah page, I am now researching it. I will maybe update tomorrow. But I understand your point of view, I helped to undo vandalism 2 times today, I will continue to do so. I think its still manageable so far.Jena0987 (talk) 23:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Jena, I've been watching the page for these past 24 hours and I'm afraid protection is more than warranted. One of the factors I personally consider when deciding whether to protect is how long unconstructive edits stay on the page. This instance of vandalism was on the page for 20 minutes, and this deletion of important content was not reverted until five hours later, at a time when the page was probably being visited by most of the U.S. West Coast and English-speaking Oceania. I respect the productive edit by 84.72.66.41, but I believe that the thousands of people who will visit the Hanukkah article in the coming days deserve to see high-quality, reliable information and an article free of offensive vandalism. Unregistered users who wish to make edits can leave a note on the Talk page. By the way, users who have been registered for over four days and have made more than 10 edits can edit semi-protected pages; you meet both criteria, so you should have no trouble editing the article. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 11:42, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Fvasconcellos, I understand, I am sorry for asking in the first place.Jena0987 (talk) 18:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Paliperidone stereochemistry.
Hello Fvasconcellos. Hope you're doing well;). Would you mind to change the actual structural image of Paliperidone you have uploaded? The stereochemistry is not quite correct (see the discussion page there also); paliperidone as the commercial drug/active substance manufactured and sold by Janssen is racemic, i.e. consists of a mixture of both (R) and (S) enantiomers. I think the most appropriate structural drawing for racemic paliperidone would be either one with a "wavy bond" (not specific about chirality but indicating the chiral C atom), or such that displays both enantiomers. As of pharmacology, sources that I have to my disposition are indicating, that both (R)- and (S)-paliperidone are similar in terms of pharmacodynamics (receptor profiles, overall effects etc)., and only minor pharmacokinetic differences exist (some racemisation occurs in vivo, but that should be pretty much everything). Thank you in advance. Greetings, --Spiperon (talk) 18:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and merry Christmas. ;)--Spiperon (talk) 09:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your feedback concerning intro sentences, and editing Acne aestivalis. kilbad (talk) 16:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Anytime. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 16:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your help with WP:DERM:REF! kilbad (talk) 19:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Proparacaine = proxymetacaine
Darn (disambiguation)!

Anyway, merry Christmas! --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 18:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Have a good one
I hope that you have a happy Christmas and have a Happy New Year FV.-- Literature geek |  T@1k?  20:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

pt-WP
Hi Fvasconcellos. Can you please check if I tagged the article Cadeia carbônica correctly? Do I have to list the article somewhere, too? I am a “pt-0” user. :-) --Leyo 00:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

INN names vs chemical names
Please see. --Itub (talk) 20:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I intended for my comments about 4-aminopyridine to generate enlightenment and thoughtful discussion, no heat. With best wishes,--Smokefoot (talk) 03:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

And now to you...


—Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 14:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC) is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate the Winter Solstice or Xmas, Eid, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hannukah or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to your friends' talk pages.


 * Thank you, sir ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Christmas! Thankyou for the lovely candles and best wishes. The same to you!! How are you these days. Incidentally I've been doing a bit of work on Brazil of late. The pther day I created Banana production in Brazil and right at this minute I'm creating municipality templates for Brazil!! The Bald One      White cat 14:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm doing quite well, actually. Keep up the good work! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Fvasconcellos. Hope your Christmas is special and your 2009 is a good one. Colin°Talk 14:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm incorrigibly optimistic, and think every year's bound to be better than the one before. I'm sure 2009 will be no exception ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Same to you! No reason to be anything but optimistic. I wish you a Merry Christmas, or as we say in Sweden, God Jul! Mikael Häggström (talk) 14:48, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you much, Fvasconcellos! Your holiday greeting has cheered me and made me smile. I wish you happy holidays as well, and hope the holidays and the coming year are all you could wish. KillerChihuahua?!? 15:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind words. Best wishes to you for peaceful holiday and a successful 2009 (the last year of the first decade of the third millennium AD, but who's counting?) &mdash;G716  &lt;T·C&gt; 15:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

To be fair...
I wanted to let you know that I am stealing your season greeting. It struck me as nicely phrased and I suck and wiki-markup. Thank you to guys like you that let guys like me look like guys like you. :) May you have a great season and wonderful New Year, and thanks for the message box. Padillah (talk) 15:32, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Season's greetings
Dear Fv, you cannot but plainly see that I plagiarised a bit, but I hope you will forgive me...


 * And peace be with you, my friend. --Arcadian (talk) 18:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
And a happy holiday to you and your family too Fvasconcellos. Take care -- Samir 18:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a brief note of admiration for your festive greetings template. Good work. ;-)
 * Happy holidays.
 * AGK 18:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, happy holidays for you too! --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks a lot for your good wishes! And wish you the same. Emjoy! Take care.

<font color="#800080">—Ketan <font color="#000000">Panchal <font color="#2F4F4F"> t aL K  21:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you Fv! Wishing you and your family a truly wonderful new year. Cheers--DO11.10 (talk) 21:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * a fine Xmas message for all of us to be mindful of.... hehehe. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Thanks for your kind words, Fvasconcellos! I hope that you too have a great Christmas and holiday season, and that 2009 is your best year yet! Best wishes, &mdash; Anonymous Dissident  Talk 23:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Fvasconcellos. Merry Christmas to you. :) Acalamari 00:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Fv, thank you for the lovely card! I hope you had a wondrous Christmas, surrounded by warmth and cheer, and hope the New Year will be filled with health, joy and peace. All my best, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 15:42, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
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A NobodyMy talk is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to their talk page with a friendly message. --A NobodyMy talk 02:43, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the message. Have a safe and happy season! §hep  •   ¡Talk to me!  04:18, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And a merry Christmas to you too, Fvasconcellos! Best wishes. Axl  ¤  [Talk]  07:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Merry Christmas Fvasconcellos :-)  have a great new year also! See ya around next year...Meodipt (talk) 10:27, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks from me also. Merry Christmas, hope you have a great holiday season. <font face="Old English Text MT" size="3" >M r Bungle |  talk  22:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. Hope you have a great holiday! Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 00:01, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, also, and Happy New Year! Walkerma (talk) 05:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And a merry christmas one and all!! Fainites barley scribs 22:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
<div style="background:crimson;border:5px ridge lime;color:gold;font-family:monotype corsiva;font-size:200%"> Hello Fvasconcellos! I just wanted to wish you and your family a merry Christmas! May this Christmas be full of great cheer and holiday spirit. Have a great day and a wonderful New Year, from  The Bald One       White cat 11:36, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!
<div style="padding: 5px; background: #F0F8FF; border-style: ridge; border-width: 8px; width: 60%; border-color: #03C03C; font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif; font-size: 100%; "> <div style="margin-top: 1px; padding-top: 2px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 9px; padding-right: 9px; width: 80%; float:center;"> A special message, just for you! → → → → <font family: Verdana; color=#000000> Happy holidays, Fvasconcellos ! May your holidays be filled with family, friends, and fun, and may the new year bring you much joy. <font color="8B00FF">Ariel <font color="F64A8A">♥ <font color="007FFF">Gold 21:38, 25 December 2008 (UTC) As with many designs on Wikipedia, this one was of course, inspired by the wonderfully talented <font color=#9966CC>Phaedriel , the "design Obi Wan".

Image
Hi. Please delete this image due a taked it from other website. Then I didn't know anything about licenses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Panoramic_View_of_C%C3%BAcuta,_Colombia.PNG

Thanks,

--Ricardocolombia (talk) 23:30, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Thank you for coming forward with this! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 23:35, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Hackensack Fire Department
Hey dude. No, I was just giving the article creator some more time to work on it (was CSD'd 2 minutes after creation). It was founded in 1871, it may have a notable history that will come out! We'll see -- the article creator is adding more to it. I watchlisted it. Hope things are well. -- Samir 23:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Pharmacology categorization
As I have mentioned before, I think there needs to be clear guidelines on how to categorize pharmacology articles, and a full, working, proposed categorization scheme that anyone can reference. I would be interested in taking a lead getting the discussion started, if it has not already been started somewhere else. I was thinking about creating a subpage of the pharmacology project, something like WP:PHARM:CAT, and starting a discussion there, in which we could get all the affected editors and admins involved in the discussion. Personally, as a physician, I would prefer to be part of the conversation, but leave it up to you drug experts/pharmacologists to ultimately create and agree upon the scheme, after which, people like me can implement it. Being completely honest, the WikiProject Pharmacology/Categorization page is not helpful to most people in my opinion. What do you think of this idea? Is there something like this already going on? kilbad (talk) 04:10, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's a great idea. The only thing going on right now is the discussion thread at WT:PHARM. Maybe we can take it to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pharmacology/Categorization and simply rewrite the page when we've agreed on a scheme? Fvasconcellos (t·c) 13:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I could move WikiProject Pharmacology/Categorization to WikiProject Pharmacology/Classifications, and then create a new categorization page, which will be blank for the time being, and on its talk page we can begin the discussion? kilbad (talk) 19:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it would best be moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Pharmacology/WP:DRUGS Classification, since this classification tree was created before WP:DRUGS was merged into WikiProject Pharmacology. I'll leave a note at WT:PHARM, let's see what others think. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 19:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * First, happy new year! Also, I have two questions (1) what is the uppermost pharm category?  I want to see what the existing structure is like, and (2) where did you post that note, so I can watch the replys? kilbad (talk) 23:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Happy new year yourself ;) The uppermost category is, predictably, Category:Pharmacology. I've left a note at the WT:PHARM discussion thread, and posted to WT:MED requesting broader input. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 17:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw your notes, and will watch for any objections. If there are none, in two days, do you mind if I move that page and start the new categorization page/discussion? kilbad (talk) 18:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 18:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, I have started a discussion thread at WT:PHARM:CAT. kilbad (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy new year
Thank you Fvasconcellos for the season's greetings, and also long time no see. I wish the same to you—happy new year! (And if you ever need a pharmacological copyeditor, I'm still around, and I'm not as bad with the sciences as my few experiences there suggest!) –<font color="#112299">Outriggr § 05:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I might take you up on that ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 13:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy new year from an old electrician too. And I hope you have been satisfied with our discussions this year. 70.137.134.30 (talk) 14:23, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have indeed. Happy 2009, and I hope you'll stick around :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 15:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)