User talk:Fvlcrvm

helpme I created a talk page for "Actual Art". I created it about my article which was tagged for proposed deletion. The instructions about deletion of an article tell me that I need to delete the tag or remove the "Proposed for Deletion" box, after I have made the changes/additions to the article, in order to prevent deletion within 5 days. How do I do that? I have made the changes & objected to deletion. I asked for help on the talk page I created about the article but got a message that it wasn't my talk page, with a link to this page. So I am asking for help here. Fvlcrvm (talk) 20:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've responded at that page, here. Incidentally, I moved the article to Actual Art in order to remove the quotations from the title. This will both bring the article into compliance with our usual practices for article titles, and it will make the article easier to find via the Search function. Best, UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 20:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

A slightly belated welcome
You might find the above helpful with working on your current article, as it contains starting points on almost everything you need to know. Having said that, if you do get a question feel free to use helpme again or drop by the helpdesk. Hope this helps,  Gazi moff  21:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for removing the quotes, they were very annoying. Fvlcrvm (talk) 21:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I am now adding photos to the article. I no longer see the "Proposed Deletion" box on the article. Is it still scheduled for deletion? Fvlcrvm (talk) 21:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Proposed deletion is one deletion mechanism, which basically means that if no-one objects after five days, the article may be deleted. There's a slightly different route for articles where someone does object to their deletion, which you can find out about in the deletion policy. At the moment, this article is not scheduled to be deleted. Hope this helps,  Gazi moff  21:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Guide to referencing
Click on "show" on the right of the orange bar to open contents.

Writing articles
See WP:FA for model articles.  Ty  00:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

This should help you
For the first time a reference appears, use. After that, you can just use each time you cite the same reference. --Ronz (talk) 23:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I just figured that out & tried to undo most of the undo's. Thank you for your help & especially for the message. I didn't know there was a way to communicate with you. Believe me, I need all the help I can get. I'm just newly computer literate at 64. Signed Valerie Shakespeare, Fvlcrvm (talk) 23:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to see you're figuring it out. If you ask questions on article and user talk pages, you'll usually get a reply fairly quickly.  As you've already learned, there are many more locations to get help, most of them much more specific to certain topics or resolving potential problems. --Ronz (talk) 00:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

There's a referencing guide just above on this page! See the orange bar.  Ty  03:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Your new articles are being discussed at the COI Noticeboard
Hello Fvlcrvm. You're being discussed at the Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. You are welcome to join the discussion there and give your own opinion. EdJohnston (talk) 02:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The point being that there's a confict of interest guideline here - see WP:COI - that generally advises editors against creating / directly editing articles on topics where they have a close personal/business connection. See the standard spiel below:

If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:
 * 1) editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
 * 2) participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors;
 * 3) linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Spam); and,
 * 4) avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for businesses. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see our conflict of interest guidelines. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 03:06, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Images
Images should not be uploaded with text on them, unless it's a poster or some such. Also images in articles need a caption.  Ty  04:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

WOW! Someone rearranged the Holland Tunnel Wall images to make them horizontal! VERY NICE! I would love to know how you did that. I will try to add captions to the images; not actually sure how to do that. There were captions in Wikicommons, but they didn't make it, when I uploaded them. Their titles are in the text accompanying each one, but captions would be better. Fvlcrvm (talk) 17:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

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I did put the tag hangon on the article, & the window appeared below the proposed deletion window.

I opened a talk page objecting to the deletion of the article & pointed out that the article COULD NOT be "blatant advertising" since the gallery has been CLOSED that is, NOT IN EXISTANCE for over six (6) years.

I also pointed out over a dozen EXISTING galleries that DO have articles in Wikipedia and stubs about EXISTNG galleries that are little more than a pointer to their ADVERTISING WEBSITES. (see Fvlcrvm Gallery Talk).

Absolutely NO discussion occurred. No one responded to my objections. I was given NO discussion at all. Orangemike(Talk|Contribs) just summarily deleted the article WITHOUT even READING it or paying any attention to the tag. Wikipedia has many articles about many galleries that include photos of work for sale; lists of arists they represent; & links to their promotional websites. Wikipedia has many more articles about galleries that no longer exist, to put in historical context, what the gallery was & did. THIS article was the LATTER.Fvlcrvm (talk) 14:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you have a case for appealing the deletion of this article. You can submit a request at Deletion review. I note that if restored, the article should probably be moved to Fulcrum Gallery since the media coverage I can find uses vowels in the gallery name. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:37, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Following the Wikipedia suggestions, I first appealed to OrangeMike, on his talk page, to revert the deletion. I have respect for his opinions, & he states that his inclination is to delete, rather than include, (his talk page is a constant stream of objections; how to stop/report him). But I think he did not read the article. I suspect he noticed the user name, (fvlcrvm) & the article name & jumped to the conclusion that it was self-advertising, (which I told him).

I will give it time to get resolved with OrangeMike. If it is not, I will take your advice & appeal. Thanks, again. Fvlcrvm (talk) 16:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * How about we compromise by my restoring the article into a sandbox in your userspace, so that you can work on it, especially in providing better evidence of notability (and I agree about the "Roman U" thing; that may be part of your problem in finding sources, if it was ignored). Your username, however, is going to set off alarm bells in most editors' minds when you edit an article on this topic! -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:44, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I would appreciate that. Could you please tell me how I would get to the sandbox? I am new to this, (& only barely computer literate at 64). I will take your advice about the U's but the name with V's will have to be a redirect to it, since most of the artworld would look for it that way. I know another artist who used exhibit there. I will ask them to add to the article, too. Thanks again. Fvlcrvm (talk) 15:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

OrangeMike, I don't know if the Fvlcrvm article has been reverted to a sandbox yet, because I don't know how to find a sandbox or even to check if one exists. Please, help me find the sandbox you put it in (if you've had time to do that yet). Thanks, Fvlcrvm (talk) 15:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You'll find it at User:Fvlcrvm/Fulcrum Gallery. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  02:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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User name
Please note a user name is only allowed to be used by one person. Each person should have their own unique user name. See Sock. If this is not the case, please sort it out immediately to avoid any repercussions.  Ty  14:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate what you mean but the user name Fvlcrvm is actully used only by me, Valerie Monroe Shakespeare, since Tery has a problem using a computer for any length of time due to a palsey tremor in his hands. The only time he writes a message is when my right to upload & use his images is questioned. We have been married for 45 years & never think like other people, in terms of separate ownership. I took the photos of Tery. He took the photos of me. We both took the photos of the art. "Entirely my own work" applies to all of them. Tery has never used the name to write in Wikipedia or to upload any images. He used the name twice to respond to the question of redirecting the correct spelling of his name to the article on him, (resolved) & now to the question of my right to upload the images, (which I hope to resolve now). I hope this adequately responds to the issue.Fvlcrvm (talk) 15:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I misunderstood your earlier post and thought VMS was someone else. However, Tery should create a separate account if he wants to leave any messages, not use yours. To avoid accusations of sockpuppetry it would be advisable to make a note on your user page of the fact you use the same computer as him (and name his account) and vice versa.
 * I suggest you email "permissions-commons AT wikimedia DOT org" and ask them to give you an OTRS ticket to confirm that you are the official agent for VMS, fulcrum gallery and Tery Fugate-Wilcox, and are entitled to release their copyright as GFDL. Give the URL of the relevant web site(s). You may be asked for proof of ID, but once you've got the system set up, you won't have a problem. See User:VAwebteam and talk page.  Ty  22:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair use is very limited and strict on wikipedia and images often get deleted, when they are uploaded as such, if it is felt they exceed the limitations.  Ty  09:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:SOCK one person pretending to be two different people using different identities.  Ty  15:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I never heard of that before. Fvlcrvm (talk) 18:40, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:COI again
Sorry, but I've raised Fulcrum Gallery etc at the conflict of interest noticeboard - see WP:COIN. You were given unusual leeway to directly edit articles, but just having made a start at cleanup - especially seeing the new material coming straight from an unpublished memoir - I'm not at all comfortable about the COI angle. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 05:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

The only new material I remember adding was about how the defunct gallery came to be named Fulcrum, & that was because I found the explanation in a magazine article, which I referenced. Since there was so much confusion, in the beginning, about the name, I thought the quotes from that article would be useful. BTW, how do I get to the COI Noticeboard? There was a link, before, & I made it a favorite, so I could respond to issues, but when the issue was resolved, I deleted it & now I don't know how to get back there. I thought what was in brackets above was a link but I can't make it work.Fvlcrvm (talk) 18:04, 24 November 2008 (UTC) Never mind. I found it.Fvlcrvm (talk) 18:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Unpublished memoir
BTW, re It's the Artist's Life for me!, we can't use an unpublished memoir as a source. Verifiability is very clear that The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 13:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Out of 39 references, not one of them is the "unpublished memoir". That was in as a link, only because it has some interesting info about what it was like to run an art gallery during that era. All of the references are real, verifiable sources. In fact, most of the material was added, because new, reliable sources came to light, through Google.Fvlcrvm (talk) 17:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Out of 39 references, not one of them is the "unpublished memoir".
 * But some of them are! For instance, currents refs 1, 4, 11 and 12 in the TF-W article, such as:


 * In 1976, they combined with a group of artists, tired of fixing up illegal lofts only to have the landlord double the rent. They bought an old warehouse building on Worth Street, in what would enventually become Tribeca, and created the ultimate studio loft: (5000 square feet, 18 foot ceiling, 2500 square foot terrace and private garage). 


 * What's the function there? These <nowiki tags are supposed to be citations to published material that the reader can use to verify the accompanying statement in the article. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 20:58, 24 November 2008

I was referring to Fulcrum. TFW's article is another matter. It was not a controversial statement or an opinion, just an interesting fact, for people who don''t know what the early art scene was like in NYC. I guess i didn't think verification was that important. I suppose I could find an article about the illegal loft situation in the '70's. There certainly were a lot of them but, of course they had no computers then.Fvlcrvm (talk) 15:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC) I'll take out the stuff about the loft.Fvlcrvm (talk) 15:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:COI
We've been very polite about this, but which it of WP:COI do you not understand?


 * How to avoid COI edits
 * Wikipedia is "the encyclopedia that anyone can edit," but if you have a conflict of interest avoid, or exercise great caution when:


 * 1) Editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with

You should not be directly editing articles about your husband or your gallery!

I've reverted recent edits. Tell us, per WP:COI, on the associated Talk pages and let others make the changes if they think them appropriate. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 03:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

The edits I made to the gallery last, was to add a citation, where the tags "needs citation" was inserted. It would be absurd for me to ask someone else to add the citation. I would have to tell them where the quote came from & provide the appropriate article for them to reference. Wouldn't that be tantamount to "sockpuppetry" to have someone else put the citation in, just so my call name would not appear? I'm sorry, but what you are asking me to do, seems dishonest.Fvlcrvm (talk) 17:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

BTW, I have read every article & guideline about editing articles about or related to oneself, & have been very careful to keep the information added as encyclopedic as I possibly can. There is no rule or guideline anywhere, that I found, that forbids one to add information, images or correct such articles, as long as one avoids opinions & does not promote a point of view, especially about controversial topics. I have scrupulously avoided any COI problems. I was warned that my callname would continue to "raise eyebrows", have accepted that fact & have remained steadfastly honest about who I am.Fvlcrvm (talk) 17:29, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for putting the Google Book reference back. I was going to try to do it but really appreciate you doing that for me. Please do not delete the edits I made today. There was no COI involved... only specifying the references where requested or adding a citation where the tag said "Citation needed". The COI guidelines say to use common sense. That should apply to deletions as well. I do appreciate your help.Fvlcrvm (talk) 16:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

December 2008
Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ''Please do not continue to add material that clearly relates to you personally. Such edits are hardly neutral and reflect a difficult conflict of interest because they appear to be vanity edits.'' -- VS talk 07:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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