User talk:Fylindfotberserk/Archives/2019/April

Your recurring edits on Indore
Your repeated edits on Indore are contradictory to your sources cited by yourself. Also, a regional language does not mean every language spoken in an area, a language that is native and has higher number of speakers than others compared. This strikes out Sindhi, Gujarati, Punjabi and Urdu to qualify as prime regional language of the region in question here. Malvi and Nimadi being the native languages of Indore. References for you to consider -

When unsourced text is deleted you are not supposed to re-add it without providing a reliable source. See WP:BURDEN. In this particular case, you need not bother, because it is off-topic anyway, and it will get deleted.

—TheodoreIndiana (talk) 05:58, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Furthermore, if you're still confused on the issue, open up a discussion on the article's talk page. —TheodoreIndiana (talk) 06:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding similar edits and using same images
I want to mind you that me, user:Sourik8 and user:Atul8 has no relation so far and both the account is of different users.So in any time if any same kind of edits done by both these accounts, I'm not responsible for this. If you have any suggestions then let me know. Sourik8 (talk) 18:12, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , OK but take care. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:57, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Moosewala
Birth date of Sidhu Moosewala is 11 June 1993. I am fed up of correcting it and u r the one who keeps on changing it. I dont know how to add citation but for your kind information u can comtact him directly — Preceding unsigned comment added by SatnamSinghKing (talk • contribs) 13:17, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You can't force something which is not sourced. BBC is a well known source. Find reliable sources like Times of India, Indian Express, etc. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:20, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Need Help
Hi frnd, can you semi-lock this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_Assam Some random people trying to change the real information  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerfectingNEI (talk • contribs) 16:36, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It would require large number of vandalism from different IPs. The article is a mess with substantial original searches. I've put a tag. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:08, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Make Hinduism page Protected
Plz can u lock the page of Hinduism as it is a sensitive page and is needed to safeguarded against vandalism. Srijanx22 (talk) 12:30, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding edits in saraswat brahmin page
Since there is separate page for food cuisine.Those information from primary source is redundant.Do revert if you find that as a valid .Search “saraswat cuisine “. Thank you Joshi punekar (talk) 12:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It is not redundant. Ethnic articles can have a brief mention of traditional cuisine and food habits for example Marathi people and Marathi cuisine. We cite books, journals and news articles. You also removed more than food related things in your edit which were sourced by news articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:05, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Main thing for creating separate section is to avoid conflict,Saraswath Brahmin is a vast community with many varieties of community,but here all the sentence are generalised.Weather it is applied for GSB,CSB,RSB,SB,Punjabi saraswat,Gujarati saraswat or Kashmiri pandits,Bhatras,Kaul?.In these list 70% are vegetarian but that statement is misleading.Thats why we can to this solution of categorising in a separate page.Hope this is clear. Joshi punekar (talk) 15:21, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Hope you understood my concern about the issue.waiting for your reply. Joshi punekar (talk) 17:02, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fylindfotberserk Joshi punekar (talk) 13:14, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

How it became mythological?
The Saraswats are a sub-group of Hindu Brahmins of India who trace their ancestry to the banks of the Sarasvati River.Saraswat Brahmins are highest order brahmins with high literacy.The saraswat Brahmins are mentioned in vedas,Ramayana,Mahabharata,bhagawata and bhavishyat purana.They are descendants of great saraswata muni.[1][2]

With citation I am keeping the info ,May I know in which basis you reverted ? Joshi punekar (talk) 12:57, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

^ Kaw, M. K. (2001). Kashmiri Pandits: Looking to the Future. APH Publishing. p. 32. ISBN 9788176482363. Retrieved 9 April 2019. ^ last1=Tambs|first1=Herald|title=Business Brahmins: The Gauda Saraswat Brahmins of South Kanara|Date =2011|Publisher=Manohar|isbn=9788173049026 Joshi punekar (talk) 13:10, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

With citation I am telling these things in that I have removed 100% literacy word and avoided any exaggerated word.What is your POV ?So this is mythological and saint eat fish is real?I know you are Indian but I doubt about your POV it seems you are trying to prove your perception as truth.If not come to discussion. Joshi punekar (talk) 13:13, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Seems like one sided perception?.Really I am feeling like you just want to keep your POV there. Still I didn’t get justification of news paper references(which is Not from editorial board). Secondly this mythology propaganda,tell me above statement how it comes under mythology.(Let me start editing some other pages since mythology is there in that)

Joshi punekar (talk) 15:21, 13 April 2019 (UTC) --
 * Kindly follow WP:INDENT. It gets really difficult to read your posts. And I've told you multiple times, Legendary stuff gets deleted in this article. See . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:26, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk I don’t know how you are feeling difficult to study message but after that discussion they came to conclusion as like pure baseless mythology should not be there but statement like “they have mentioned in Mahabharata,Ramayan “doesn’t become mythology. What about the newspaper reference? Joshi punekar (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Which one? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:41, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Even 2 citation I have given all are standard book not news paper.
 * Fylindfotberserk see above talks in that mentioning migration and sharing information about mentioning caste name in Ramayana,Mahabharata etc it’s like sharing information not blind mythology.

Joshi punekar (talk) 15:46, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk Migration was different topic but I had mentioned like where the caste name has been mentioned but you deleted that also but when coming to Ravan issue(Ravana is real as per you) everything reverted.

Joshi punekar (talk) 20:49, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Don’t involve in edit warring
If you can reply please nearly welcome for discussion with citations.If not atleast give respect to wiki policy and don’t involve in edit warring to prove your POV. regards, Joshi punekar (talk) 15:42, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , You are the one edit warring here with me, and others. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:44, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk Once again it’s your POV your are reverting like dictator without giving justification.So obviously your are edit warring with me isn’t it? See talk page still you didn’t replied.It seems you are proving POV.

Joshi punekar (talk) 15:52, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , I can see only this source from your previous edits. It mentions a mythical migration of Saraswats from Kashmir to Konkan and how they started eating fish. Since it is legendary, it was removed by me and was removed in the past by veteran editors as well. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:04, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk I am no way concerned about that information at all.3 Books mentions that SB are mentioned in vedas ,Mahabharata m,Ramayan and bhavishyad puran.Now How this statement become mythological obviously this is an informative sentence. Joshi punekar (talk) 21:23, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

CONTENT EDIT
Hey User,

This is to state that I had been editing the contents on profile and those are the true facts to my knowledge. I am acquainted with the family and hence I provided the useful informations regarding his personal life, political life and his family.

Considering imdb link as a non reliable source isn't going good as it was just for a reference of the person identity.

in case of any doubts you may directly contact mr tiwari also well known as pandit ji and his sons.

please bring me those edits back. as they are true and fact to my knowledge.

I am acknowledging the information provided.

Please write back so that we may clear everything out.

here is the link mentioned below :

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hari_Shankar_Tiwari&action=history

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callmesiddie (talk • contribs) 18:22, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Go through WP:RS first. Even if I take interview of Tiwari, it would be of no good use if it doesn't get published in a reliable newspaper. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:29, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

family information
Hey,

I got your point, but what I wanna state is, I have provided his family details adding his sister and brothers name to the page.

I can provide the govt issued id of the concerned person as they does exist.

I was just concerned about the family tree and the things should be known to the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callmesiddie (talk • contribs) 18:30, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Would require a third party source to ascertain that who are his relative. His father is mentioned in the govt. source, so it got added. And the other relatives' detailed info is not needed. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:51, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

About your recent revert in deshastha page
The information is neither racist nor genetic study nor mythological .Hope you have see the citation. Joshi punekar (talk) 18:53, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Or just go through reference and then revert if you find any genetic information there. Joshi punekar (talk) 18:54, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

But don’t involve in edit warring.I know wiki policy that’s why with confidence I am keeping that information.First Talk then action. Joshi punekar (talk) 19:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I've seen the citation. Race theories based on physical characteristics is a strict non no. It has been thoroughly discussed in 8-9 years back and the consensus was to delete them. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:22, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

FylindfotberserkCan you share a link of decision about Physical characteristics? I know negative racial comment based on colour was banned ,Genetics was banned.If you have link of decision page for this cs you share? Joshi punekar (talk) 11:37, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much sir from the bottom of my heart. I apologize for not being able to reply to you on time. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:59, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

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Jatinder Shah page editing
Hello, Fylindfotberserk. It's me, We are the Great. I just want to inform you that when you edited the Punjabi music composer Jatinder Shah page, you deleted Band Vaaje (Punjabi Movie) and Chandigarh Amritsar Chandigarh (another Punjabi Movie). Don't you know that these movies had Jatinder Shah compose the music. When I saw the release poster of Chandigarh Amritsar Chandigarh, I saw that the music was composed by Jatinder Shah. Also, Band Vaaje was produced by Jatinder Shah and Pooja Gujral in their Shah and Shah Productions, which meant that he also composed the music, too. You shouldn't delete the 2 movies which musics' are composed by Jatinder Shah. That's because we need to add only those films that have Wikipedia articles. Create the articles first then add in his filmography without any problem. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

So then you should create the articles in his filmography, because I don't know how to create those articles, and that somebody will delete that article. I have learned one thing though, that Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, because many people edit and delete it without noticing, and that these websites were a help to Wikipedia. Sincerely, We are the Great.We are the Great (talk) 02:34, 17 April 2019 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by We are the Great (talk • contribs) 02:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Somebody has created one article though which stays. And yes Wikipedia is not reliable but we try to be one by putting content supported by reliable sources so that a reader can cross verify the references if he/she wishes. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

regarding those changes made in hari shankar tiwari wiki
Hey,

I understood you dont want imdb link to be added as a source, but if you have seen the link I used as the citation, there it is mentioned about kamini dube, and like his other family members I wanted to add the works done by her and hence I added not any new thing apart from the published article, I have added those things only, I don't understand why did you removed that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callmesiddie (talk • contribs) 18:49, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The article is about Hari Shankar Tiwari and not of Kamini Dube. So apart from the fact that she is a film producer and his daughter, nothing is relevant. You want to add other stuff, you should create her own article at Wikipedia. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:53, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Even you have kept some wrong information, there is no place called "TARA" rather its "TANDA, a village in Gorakhpur" you have even made those change,

and regarding my addition stuffs even there is mention a little about his sons Vinay Shankar and bhishma Shankar. So I just wanted to add a little about his daughter. I understand this article is about Hari Shankar Tiwari and things there has to be relevant to him, but adding a little about his family wont be a wrong idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callmesiddie (talk • contribs) 18:57, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Rahul Gandhi
I think full name of Rahul Gandhi must be used in his article to avoid confusion between multiple 'Gandhis' in the Gandhi Family. Dheerajmpai23 (talk) 15:49, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Not the norm to write Rahul Gandhi in every sentence. Only surnames are used. Check any Good article or a Featured article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * But in this case it is quite ambiguous as many prominent personalities with same surname are mentioned in the article. Dheerajmpai23 (talk) 15:56, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It happens a lot in other BLPs too. Readers would understand we are talking about the subject. If it is about Rajeev or Indira Gandhi, it would be addressed with their full name in Rahul's article. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:05, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Goa
What is the reasoning for placing Goa in Southwestern or southern India? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goingoan (talk • contribs) 13:05, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Not in southern India but southwestern coast of India. There's a difference. And Britannica source says it so. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Giriraj Singh Caution on Edit Warring
Although I blocked the IP editor for 31 hours for disruptive editing, I must advise you that you should not involve yourself in what could be perceived as edit warring, particularly where some of your reversion edit summaries stated they may have been in good faith by the other editor. NJA (t/ c)  14:34, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , I apologize sir. I got carried away since he didn't listen to my request to come to the talk page as per WP:BRD. Secondly, it seemed sockpuppetry since the same thing have been done by the named user after I reverted his edits before this IP came along. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I understand. Just be careful as you could have ended up with a block as well. Also see my response on his talk page here . If you have evidence of suspected sock use provide me the evidence and / or report it to the appropriate admin page for an investigation. NJA (t/ c)  14:45, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , This by the named user and this by the IP. It is obvious since the IP made all of his/her edits on Giriraj Singh. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:52, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I just checked both talk page and above discussion and would advise you to be careful with accusations you make per WP:ASPERSIONS. Shashank5988 (talk) 14:55, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That accusation has evidence. How come an IP directly comes and reverts my edits just a few hours after I've reverted yours without simply removing and editing stuff in the article. I could have very well reported you based on the evidence. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:02, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * If this is what you consider as "evidence", then you are welcome to start an investigation right now with such baseless "evidence" but before that you may want to read WP:BOOMERANG. Shashank5988 (talk) 15:23, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That's evidence enough to start an investigation. Whether it is sockpuppetry, meat puppetry or just another IP having similar thoughts is another thing. Besides I just wanted you or atleast the IP to talk as per WP:BRD since it would be WP:STATUSQUO. People got banned for adding/removing "spaces". The only reason I didn't report you is because it happened only once. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:35, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Starting an investigation does not guarantee any sanctions on the reported editor but often backfires if the allegation is baseless. At best you had only asked why I am removing the titles and I had clarified that through edit summary. If you ever find yourself in this situation again then you should seek WP:3O and also assume WP:AGF. Shashank5988 (talk) 15:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It is your duty to talk (not mine) after your edits get reverted. Probably you should follow WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO. You make BOLD edits -> it gets REVERTED -> you DISCUSS; that's how it should be done. You and the IP should have talked in the talkpage. Kindly do not lecture me on good faith when you got warned multiple times yourself. I have maintained good faith by not reporting you after the first IP revert of my edits. And do not reply anymore. Peace out. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:02, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Gourav Choudhary
Hii! I'm CptViraj. Thank you for informing me. I will add proper reference. CptViraj (talk) 03:30, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. And kindly visit WP:RS. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:56, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry! But please add his religion 'Hinduism'. You can clearly say he is hindu by his name.
 * Religion, caste, ethnicity are sensitive things in Wikipedia and needs reliable sources. A 'Chaudhary' can be a Muslim or a Sikh as well. He can be a convert to Buddhism or he can be an Atheist. We cannot write that without sources. Regards - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:03, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh! Actually i'm new to Wikipedia Editing! I'm learning things. Thank you for your help! And i will not add anything without reliable source. Thank Again! Regards - CptViraj