User talk:Fyunck(click)

You know, I've been fortunate in my life to have witnessed Laver and Rosewall walk out onto the court to play each other; to have heard the applause, to have heard dead silence from the crowd as a point was in progress. The years have come and gone as did the antics of Nastase, Connors and McEnroe... the stoic determinations of players like Borg, Evert, and Sampras... and now the space age materials and all-court players such as Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. Between submitting articles to tennis magazines, I've watched the ladies game move from lithe of foot players like King, Goolagong, and Navratilova, to athletic powerhouses, using hi-tech equipment, such as Graf and Williams. Service has changed from having to keep one foot on the ground or just getting the ball in play, to players who can fire a dart that only high speed cameras can behold. The four majors have changed in my lifetime from three grass courts and one clay court, to one grass court, two acrylic courts, and one clay court. The courts have also been changed in the last 20 years to be closer to the same speed; Wimbledon slowed down and the French Open sped up. The balls have also been slowed down and with all those changes the tougher-to-master net game has disappeared but the multi-surface champions have blossomed.

Of course I wasn't there in the 1920's when tennis truly went international and the ILTF wrote into their bylaws that no Major championship could claim to be a "world championship" or that the language of tennis would be "for ever in English", but the repercussions of those early days, and binding together of adversarial organizations, laid the groundwork for what we have today. The sport is special to me and it always will be. As we venture into the unknown of pandemics and crowdless stadiums lets applaud how far we've come since Spencer Gore won the first Wimbledon Championships back in 1877. We'll get through this with flying colors, and not just tennis. We'll mourn our great losses but eventually move on like juggernaut. Tennis looks like it's in good hands with the youngest generation of players ready to grab the brass ring from the seats of their steads, but the legends are still hoping they get some splinters from reaching out too quickly. Cheers.

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Deprodding of Talk:Medvedev–Tsitsipas rivalry
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"ATX Open" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ATX_Open&redirect=no ATX Open] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at until a consensus is reached. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This is one the crazier things I've seen administrators do. An improperly moved article gets fixed by me and in so doing I create an "ATX Open" redirect. I created it and I wanted it deleted so that in the future, the editors who are actually working on the draft article of "ATX Open" can get it created when it's finished in the future. Why is this so hard to fix? It seems so simple. The disruptive editor who created the problem must be laughing his head off. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:54, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not a crazy thing that debatable speedy deletion requests get denied. That's always been the practice. And the speedy deletion request was debatable - it was already denied once by an admin and while I can't find any direct link between ATX Open and the Texas Open, I can't find any information clearly ruling it out. Besides, the redirect is now replaced by a noticeable deletion request tag, which IMHO signals its dubious nature sufficiently. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:42, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess deleting the title is debatable since it will be re-created in a week anyway, but the redirect is not. The argument that you couldn't find a direct link is a terrible argument. I can't find a direct link that George Washington wasn't also called Peter Dumpling, so we should leave the link? There is plenty of evidence it is not the same such as the tournament website calling it the inaugural event; the WTA calling it the inaugural event; the city of Austin calls it the inaugural event; Tennis World magazine does the same as does Tennis Infinity. The redirect should have been removed instantly which is why I initially removed it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:13, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Unexplained reversions
Hi, recently you have reverted several tennis statistics updates without proper edit summary. Moreover, the edits you reverted also appeared to be correct, and I have restored them. Examples: Gap9551 (talk) 13:36, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You are correct. While I have explained several times, I did not in those occasions when it was the umpteenth time I had to correct it. If you note in the reverts not ALL the info was correct. Tags were removed such as "sources needed" or "trivial information". Just because an editor adds good info along with bad does not mean I had to piecemeal fix it. I do the first couple of times, but then I remove it all. It is up to the IP to re-add it without the errors. You'll note he just did it again. But I did only mean to do one IP revert instead of three. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:12, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The goods edits were separate edits, so it's not hard to leave them alone. Also, one of them was by me, and I didn't make any controversial edits around the same time. Gap9551 (talk) 20:00, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Sometimes I just get a button in my header asking if I want to revert an edit and I just do it. I'll try and be more careful. But also sometimes I can't revert a bad edit if you later add to an edit. It'll say you can't undo because another editor has changed something. It's all or nothing, so we have to go back to the last known good page. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case you can manually restore the good edit. Gap9551 (talk) 21:17, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That depends on how much there is to re-add. I don't think you can just click a button and say re-add the good edit. If there's 50 items to re-add, then it won't happen. However if I leave a good summary to let you know what needs to be re-added, it would be better. I try to catch the anon ips as fast as I can to minimize the damage. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of György Balázs for deletion
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Potential edit warring by trying to stop unsourced info
Hi. I've noticed your contributions to tennis career statistics, removing Russian flags. Whilst this is standard for tournaments now, it hurts the continuity of career statistics. Can you raise a topic somewhere to see about achieving a consensus before engaging in multiple edit wars? Thanks. WhySoSerious? (talk) 21:03, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No it does not. They did not play a Russian player in those tournaments per the WTA ATP and ITF. This has been discussed for Russian and Belarus players multiple times. What continuity does this hurt? They represented no country when they played and it is original research to say otherwise. Look at the ATP and WTA website for those events since March 1 2022. Look at the actual source for Indian Wells 2022. Neither Russia nor Belarus were in that event per all rules. You can't just invent something out of nothing. To that end of unsourced flags you bet I have started a topic. You should be helping to fix these things not create unsourced problems. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:44, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Дейноніх (talk) 20:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow. For someone who has done 5 reverts to two different editors in 24 hours I'd be worried about a boomerang block. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:45, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Capitalized Hard, Soft, Grass, and Carpet
At this edit you re-capped what you had previously lowercased. What's the theory there? Dicklyon (talk) 21:43, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure what the deal was on that edit of yours. We had all agreed at the tennis project that ndashes have significance so that in that same box, Single – Doubles are capitalized but that it would be "– Mixed doubles" if we used the full term. When I see "– Hard –" it looks to follow the same pattern. I wasn't sure so I looked back five years of ATP Tours and they all use "Hard" when separated by –. Since someone had already reverted your edit but I had to revert part of their edit, I put back the capitalized change. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:40, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, the "dash theory" was about subtitles in article titles (and didn't reach consensus). In other contexts, capping after a dash is not generally done.  I've been lowercasing these tennis surfaces after semicolon, too.  I don't think there's a relevant difference.  Do you?  Dicklyon (talk) 04:00, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * We absolutely talked about that same box being "Singles–Doubles–Mixed doubles", and the project decided to go with Singles–Doubles–Mixed rather than using lower case doubles. It looks like HARD would use the same principle in that box. Why would we do part of the box differently? Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:08, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I could explain my reasoning, but it might be best to just hear from others. Should we open a discussion some place?  Or invite people to here? Dicklyon (talk) 17:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I started a topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis to see what others think. I haven't got a clue since it was never talked about. We only discussed Singles–Doubles–Mixed doubles and the affect ndashes had on "Mixed doubles", nothing on "Grass" sandwiched between dollars and draw-size. It seems like it would follow our Singles–Doubles–Mixed header discussion but perhaps the project feels court type is different in some way. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:55, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

July 2023
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Novak Djokovic. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.  Vanjagenije   (talk)  13:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * It goes against the example given in MOS. But understood. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * And one other thing. I did not revert the last issue on Novak Djokovic. I stopped. Instead I stopped reverting and simply made sure it complied with Wikipedia MOS MOS:PRONPLACEMENT. We had the discussion at Talk:Franklin D. Roosevelt and was thanked for making sure it complied with good examples rather than wrong examples. Djokovic's article is an example in MOS as what not to do. When there is more than one tiny example of pronunciation it should be a footnote. Tennis articles really go overboard and make the leads hard to read. That can't be good for our readers. But I stopped moving it to a new section since there was a complaint and simply went with MOS. And i said so in the summary. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:43, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Revert on Jessica Pegula career statistics
Can you explain why you reverted my edit on the above article with the comment - "improper grammar when tallying"? In English grammar compound nouns with a noun hyphenated with another part of speech (like up) only take the plural on the noun. This can be confirmed from the OED and Wiktionary and from Swan (2019 reprint), the grammar guidebook for English teachers p117. Exceptions do not exist for different applications of the noun itself since English grammar does not have any conventions for complications of that type. Perhaps you can supply your reference for your stand on this grammar point? Scootertop (talk) 13:54, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think I can help. This is something that was discussed years ago and we actually had to talk to the publishers of the OED, CMoS and others. There is only one reason we use runners in runners-up, and that is because there are multiple runners. It is the standard way to do it and the way it is meant 99.9% of the time. What we have here is quite different in that we are totaling the term as a whole. They explained that a more usual way to handle our situation of tallying runner-up trophies is to say 5 titles and 7 runner-up finishes. But if we are simply totaling the number of runner-up finishes without using "finishes" it is a total of the whole as there are not multiple runners. We are actually totaling (runner-up) not the usual (runner)-up. So it should be runner-ups. It is an unusual situation to be sure. I hope that helps. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:16, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's all well and good but you don't give a source for that and it seems just a Distinction without a difference as the agent noun and the abstract noun refer to the same thing (coming second). It actually chimes in with one of my references that describes "runner-ups" as a colloquialism only, and so similar to the fairly common errors in some other compound nouns such as "mother-in-laws", which wouldn't be considered preferable to "mothers-in-law" and so not a reason to revert. If you don't have a verifiable reference, I'm going to reinstate my edit.--Scootertop (talk) 12:28, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * And I will revert it as wikipedia consensus. It made perfect sense when discussed years ago. And it would be the same with mothers-in-law when discussing multiple mothers rather than tallying the number of times you count the word "mother-in-law" in a book index. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Photo selection?
Hey Fyunck, this is still kind of speculative but I thought I'd ask for your input. At the US Open I met the photographer Jimmie48 (http://www.j48tennis.net/) and he was open to the idea of donating a small number of photos for Wikipedia. He said he had been asked before but found the process of uploading to Flickr to do free licensing fairly complicated. I'm planning to reach out by email after the Open with hopefully an easier method. At the moment I'm eyeing a trophy photo for Świątek's infobox and haven't yet found ideal photos for the Sabalenka (maybe ?) and Rybakina infoboxes. Thought I'd let you know in case you have the enthusiasm to look through his catalog for what might improve those articles (or others). I'd value your input. Hameltion (talk &#124; contribs) 17:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * We always need more good photos. And he's right about uploading being a problem for some. I tried in vain to get a couple Margaret Court photos for her wiki page. I was in actual email conversations with her personally and she agreed to upload to flicker several personal photos (old and new). They kept making her jump through so many hopes every time she uploaded that it frustrated her. It was never good enough for wikimedia. I finally had to tell her I'm sorry I asked her for pics and apologized for wikipedia rules. Wikipedia would not let me do it for her so to this day we have pretty much nothing. The pic that's in her infobox looks to be stolen from a video so I just reported it for admin to check. The pics we need most are of older players who attend events that we have no good free photos of. Players like Virginia Wade, Rosemary Casals, Pam Shriver, Fred Stolle, etc... These are tennis icons that occasionally attend events yet we only have blurry pics or no pics at all. They won't be around a lot longer and I wish photographers that attend events would snap some shots of famous players in their seats. I'll look at his catalog. You seem to go to a lot of tennis events yourself.... I'm envious. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:19, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * How frustrating re Court, and good point about older players. I had already been thinking about these Original Nine photos ; will add Wade  as a priority too. I just uploaded, as it happens, some photos of Shriver from USO (Commons link). I've been lucky this year that travel has happened to coincide or I've been able to extend it around some tennis events. By the way, your ping didn't go through because it was added in a different edit from the signature. Hameltion (talk &#124; contribs) 19:10, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oops... meant to change the sig too. Sometimes I think editors are more interested in over-flooding an article in pics rather than adding pics to articles that really need them. I get it though...It's a player they really like and follow they want the best for that particular article. I also changed my mind at your Sabalenka talk topic. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:12, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Question
Any opinions on this Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters. I ran into it after a notification that one of the tennis articles was moved here and I'm not sure if the consensus is really there or we need more discussion. Adamtt9 (talk) 17:07, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * We had an rfc of this awhile back and it was to keep the capitalization the first word after the dash. No one seems to have informed the proper projects that an rfc was underway that undermines the last rfc. Probably on purpose. I just moved it back. We had huge discussions over here, and over here, and over here. This was pretty much a done deal in the aftermath. It was a compromise of all parties but we went through all the changes and got it done. I have no idea why on earth we would go through it again when an amicable outcome was reached. It looks like a couple more articles were moved without informing sports projects about the conversation. I moved the tennis articles back. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:28, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah I just found the discussion itself interesting too. It didn't seem like that strong of a consensus and then the discussion was closed with almost no real explanation by an account with only 100 or so edits. Adamtt9 (talk) 20:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * A bit strange, and it flies in the face of other agreements from 2021/2022. We get compromises for agreement sake, change thousands of articles to get them stable, and then they keep moving the goalposts. Getting tired of this to be honest. We have longstanding-consensus when we changed thousands of articles in the huge RFC's we were invited to. We knew the first word after the ndash could be capitalized and we use that fact in almost every article. You don't just take anther discussion on a few items and change what was compromised and agreed to a couple years ago. Goodness. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Novak Djokovic
Hello. I hope you are having a lovely weekend.

I am here to discuss about the expansion of Djokovic's 2011 season...

In Djokovic’s wiki page, every single one of his seasons describe each of his grand slam campaigns, SEPT for the 2011 season, which is odd, considering that it is literally one of the greatest seasons in Tennis history. Furthermore, between 2007 and 2016, all of his seasons have at least four paragraphs, SEPT for the 2011 season. This is why I believe the 2011 needs to be expanded. Not only because it deserves so, but in order to be in tune with the other seasons of Djokovic’s wiki page.

You stated that my edit was “Way too much”, and you are probably right. My version of his 2011 season had 1089 words, which is significantly higher than his next biggest season, the 2015 one, which only has 869 words. That is why I will re-insert my edit, but in a more summarized way. Before I do it, however, I would like to hear your advice about this.

Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 21:24, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * To be honest, it's supposed to be a short synopsis of his season. It is one of the great seasons in tennis history.... it must be top 20? But that's why it has its own separate article... so this one doesn't get too bloated. Each section could even be shorter in my book, especially 2015. I know editors want as much as possible but it could simply list his titles and list his major titles with who he beat. Do we really need more than that, especially with grandiose details in another separate article? Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:27, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I personally do not think that simply listing his titles and listing his major titles with who he beat is enough. All the feats he achieves and all the records he breaks along the way should be mentioned if notable enough. The separate articles will then have all the grandiose details, such as the wildly fluctuating fortunes of the important games or those minor records who are simply not notable.
 * My new version of his 2011 season will be more summarized, somewhere around 700-800 words like the 2010, 2015, and 2023 seasons. I hope you like my much shorter version.
 * Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 00:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It is done. You can cut down or remove some stuff if you want to. Thank you for your time.
 * Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 00:53, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I only shortened a couple sentences and removed a couple trivial facts. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:59, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I have seen. I agree with all of them. Your edits were all very assertive (the McEnroe thing was that 42-0 is the best start to a season in the Open Era). We got it all the way down to 666 words.
 * It was a pleasure to reach a middle ground with you.
 * Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 20:02, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. As you said the McEnroe thing was Open Era record but the sentence said nothing about that... and it is quite far from the historical record of 68-0 or 78-1 for the entire season, not just the start. The section is now much longer than it was but shorter than the first effort. I think it's improved in the end. Cheers. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. Here I am again.
 * I believe that what you found "way over the top" in my edit was the line about Djoko Damjanovic (and you are absolutely right. It really is). So I will re-insert my edit without that line.
 * Regarding the "We do not need his ancestry at all", well... Now that I have removed Djoko Damjanovic, the only ancestry that remains in my edit are his links with Kosovo, Montenegro and Croatia, which I think should be mentioned. Other top athletes, such as Messi and even Federer, talk about the origins of their family.
 * I would like to hear your advice about this.
 * Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 23:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually here are my thoughts. Federer's early/personal life section is tiny compared to Djokovic's. Much much smaller. Federer's is about 2/5s the size of Djokovic's. This is an encyclopedia not a book so we want the highlights here. We get complaints from administrators all the time about the length of some of our tennis articles. Before you start adding to Djokovic's article, first the early life section should be cut by at least 1/2... It is gigantic. I just trimmed it down to a manageable level. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:22, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello again.
 * Although I am slightly disappointed (given the hours I put into that), I understand where you are coming from. I mean, not even Andy Murray's early life section (+600 words) was that big (+900 words).
 * I agree with your changes for the most part, but I am going to re-add two or three details that I think are notable enough, such as the "parents gave him a mini-racket" line, which is notable because is literally the whole reason why he began playing tennis in the first place.
 * But do not worry, I will not even exceed the 450-word mark this time (currently at 386).
 * PS: I am starting to enjoy our dynamic. I take the initiative to expand while you keep me in check of information overload. We go back and forth a lot, but in the end, he always seem to find some sort of healthy equilibrium. And therefore, I would like to let you know that either tomorrow or after tomorrow, I will expand his juniors career with a tremendous edit (just like I did with 2011), so feel free to trim that edit as best as you can.
 * Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure why you did not reply to me. Perhaps you missed the notification.
 * But anyways, I have just re-added that important detail to his early life, which now has 444 words. I am going to start working on his junior career now.
 * Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 13:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't see a question so I didn't reply. Again my thoughts are that the Djokovic article is already way too long. If you add something you should also remove something to compensate. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:41, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It is finally done. It took a while because I had to create the likes of Tennis Europe Junior Tour, Tennis European Junior Championships, ITF World Junior Championship in order to provide better back up to this edit.
 * This time I had the care to trim my Edit myself. For instance, the original draft included the details of his participations in the winter and summer cups (he won the latter), as well as his deep runs in Genoa and Arezzo in April 2001 (semifinal and final). I think I did a good job at trimming it, and for this reason you might find it a little bit harder to trim that much yourself, so take it easy.
 * I am now aiming at doing my fourth and last expansion in Djokovic's page, which revolves around his Futures and Challenger titles. After that, I am done with Djokovic... happily for you, haha.
 * Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 01:30, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Editing talk page comments
I noticed that at Talk:Paul Bettany, you edited several other people's comments, including mine. Please do not do that. If I had wanted it to read a certain way, I would have typed it that way. Seraphimblade Talk to me 11:19, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Some were nested improperly for an rfc, but you are correct that I was trying to help any future closer by bolding the terms under discussion and overstepped. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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Excuse me Fyunck! I notice you have recently reverted my addition to the Novak Djokovic page, claiming it is not relevant. I beg to differ! It is quite relevant that Djokovic suggests in that interview that he may not play past 50: given all of his recent success, as silly as setting a limit of that age sounds it does provide more of a framework than we've had so far for his likelihood to end his career by a certain date.

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Coco Gauff
OK, this really got up my nose. How – just how – is a name like that a "basic word"? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Usually we would put in a pronunciation for foreign players in this English Wikipedia, not not a simple name like Gauff. We don't put it in for Jimmy Connors or Lindsay Davenport or Jennifer Capriati. We don't put it in for Gauff's mother's last name of Odom. We don't even use it for players like Mary Joe Fernández who was born in Dominican Republic. Sure there can be tricky English names that have several ways to pronounce them, but this really isn't one of them. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:29, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Completely disagree. Connors, Davenport and Fernandez are not comparable in the slightest. Gauff is a very unusual name in the English-speaking world. I had no idea if it was or, so how are other readers supposed to know, especially those unfamiliar with tennis who happen to stop by? This is absolutely one of those occasions where an IPA is more than warranted. I really think you should reconsider your edit. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey you can add it back but I firmly believe it's wrong and will say so on the talk page. You are also going to need a reliable source that specifically says how it should be pronounced otherwise you can't add it back. There are times we need a pronunciation guide for tricky names and this is not one of them. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Talk page—no problem, if we need to go that route. I'll get input from Help talk:IPA/English as well. As far as sourcing goes, it doesn't get more reliable than herself. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * As I said, I can't stop you from adding it back. I won't get into some revert war. How she speaks it and how people hear it can be two different things. Iga Swiatek has pronounced her name online... in her last name some people hear two syllables and some (like me) hear three syllables. How Gauff pronounces it I've never heard another way to pronounce it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:08, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "How Gauff pronounces it I've never heard another way to pronounce it." – And if a reader unfamiliar with her has never heard it? I guarantee you, nobody in the UK would have the faintest idea if they don't follow tennis. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Which is exactly what I said. I've never heard another way to pronounce Gauff, whether it's Coco Gauff, Gauff Hill, Pennsylvania, or Gauff-Roth House. And per Ancestry.com the Gauff family name was found in USA, UK, and Canada all the way back in the early 1800s, so I don't believe your statement about the inability of UK residents to know how to pronounce it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * We're still not quite 'clicking' on this point. Until she become popular, I had never heard that name. Without a doubt I'm not the only one, and you may be overestimating UK residents' linguistic abilities—you should've heard some of the abysmal attempts to pronounce anything German at my high school. Being a UK native, I could only think of . So why should readers be left to guess? That's the whole point of the template, to inform readers unfamiliar with the subject or those with hearing impairments. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:24, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * What about French people not knowing if Brad Gilbert has a silent "t" at the end of his name? Should we start adding a guide on how to pronounce Gilbert? There are some names that are really tricky and can be mangled badly. Coco Gauff ("Goff") is really not one of them. Perhaps it could be put in her early life prose section but I see no reason to do it even there. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "What about French people" – This is the English WP, catering mainly to English readers. If the French have issues with Gilbert on their WP, it's of no interest to me. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * We obviously will not convince each other. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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Indian Wells and Cincinnati are Masters, no changes are needed
Why are you changing in all the players performance timelines section from Open to Masters for Indian Wells and Cincinnati. These tournaments are well known as Masters. This is another instance when changes are NOT agreed on and are totally NOT necessary. Please bring it to the Wiki Project page before making changes in bulk. Sashona. 23:11, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The tournament names were changed here at wikipedia... and not by me. The official names of the events are "Open" not Masters. Do you have some vendetta against me or something? Move on to something else. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:14, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * What do you mean “That is not there name or link?” It is there, they are Masters, when you click it goes to the page. There is no need to make these changes. Sashona (talk) 23:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The links are to Indian Wells Open and Cincinnati Open, not Masters. The articles were changed to reflect the tournaments minus sponsors and they are dual events with the ladies. This happens all the time in tennis. Why the big deal here? The Canadian Open and Miami Open are also men's Masters level events. I'm at a loss as to what the issue is. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * They are known as Masters, why are the changes needed, the links are working fine. You are making not necessary changes, unless you can point me to have a Wikipedia directive that requires to make all these changes. Sashona (talk) 23:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * No they are not... the women have no masters events and these events serve a dual purpose. Their official names have no term "Masters." Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:31, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You are changing Men’s player pages, please move on, stop making unnecessary changes. Sashona (talk) 23:33, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * They are changes to be consistent with our articles and for our readers. I update when I find them. Move along please. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:35, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Is there a place when it says we have to change these? I can bring it up otherwise in Wiki Projects as a massive change that needs to be made on all players profiles. Sashona (talk) 23:36, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That is not the way wikipedia works and you should know that by now. If all you want to do is complain about everything I do with no merit, please post somewhere else other than here. If you want to discuss ways to make articles better that's cool. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:40, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * So it is a unilateral, only your decision to go ahead and change these. I am not complaining, I am just pointing out how uneccessary these changes are unless they are required. Sashona (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It was a unilateral change by someone who changed those two tournament names from Masters to Opens. Seemed like a great idea with great reasoning plus the events themselves use the term "Open.". Once that happened I have slowly updated our charts to help with that change so the links would match. Sometimes links don't match in charts with small spaces and lengthy tournament names, so we do our best. In this case though it actually makes the row shorter so it worked out well. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:51, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I am all for making better articles but sometimes it is more useful to concentrate on more important, needed or mandatory changes then this, like removing the Russian / Belarusian flags, that was a great and necessary improvement I thought. We are talking about a lot of pages, but if you have the time that is great. Sashona (talk) 00:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I look at them as similar, but minor for sure. But I'm not changing 1000 articles at once. As I see them I do a couple fixes. Usually they pop up on my watchlist and I do a cursory check to see if they are updated or they are against some consensus. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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CoCo Guaff Birthplace
While it is true that she grew up in and was raised in Delray Beach, Florida, she was actually born in Atlanta, Georgia. Not only has she stated this but there are numerous articles that also support this. What to know about Coco Gauff's mom, dad and siblings - ABC News (go.com) [https://www.bing.com/search? Atlanta-born Coco Gauff wins U.S. Open, secures first Grand Slam title (yahoo.com) 131.156.156.50 (talk) 01:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I used that ABC source and added it to prose in the article and changed back the infobox. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:59, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hello there,

I have noticed that you have been adding references to Top 10 wins sections of various tennis players using WP:PRIT. While, it does a good enough job, I would like to suggest that you should try using WP:REFTOOLS. Speaking from personal experience, I find RefToolbar to be way more easier and a lot of faster because you can cite a reference within just three clicks. Also, Proveit sometimes do not mention the author/journalist who wrote the article used as the reference.

I hope you will try and will find this suggestion useful. Cheers!  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 12:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've used Proveit for years but I'll certainly take a look at REFTOOLS if it's that much easier. I always thought you had to use it with wikieditor. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * So I tried it and it worked pretty much identically to Proveit, except Proveit automatically puts in the access date. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but both open a box to fill in the stuff I want. Proveit automatically uses cite web, which I use 90% of the time. RefTools I have to click on the pulldown template every time. Both have boxes for copying and pasting from the website so that's identical but the three main boxes I use are url, title, and publisher, and they are one after the other vertically in Proveit, while in Reftools they are side to side and smaller. I'm sure you get used to anything but vertically larger boxes are faster for me. I copy and paste the url, copy and paste the article title (but often have to change it to sentence case instead of caps), and then add the publisher. Both have spaces for author but I just usually skip it as overkill. I've actually had editors go back and remove the journalist name and other attributes I added as unneeded.


 * The thing that takes the longest is finding the good source in google that isn't a blog or video. Once I find the source for Proveit it's click the add citation button, copy paste, copy paste, copy paste, and then insert. With Reftools it was click the add citation button, pulldown the template choice, copy paste, copy paste, copy paste, click add access date, and then insert. At least that's how it worked for me. Cheers. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Fyunck(click) I don't know id you tried it or not, in RefTools you do not have to copy and paste title and publisher, You just need to copy paste the url in the url box and then click on the magnifying glass 🔎. The system will automatically fill in the aurthor, publisher, title and the publishing date. On the topic of finding sources, I have sort of the opposite problem. Whenever I tried to search the source I always get multiple Indian news sources (because I live in India), but I tries to find more international sources because I do not want the reference to filled with just Indian news sites. I hope ypu will try the 🔎 option and find it useful. Cheers!  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Now that's interesting. I do have to add the extra step of the citeweb pulldown, but it autofills the title and website name. Ive gotten pretty fast with those three copy and pastes in ProveIt, but if I do it enough I think it likely that simply pasting the URL and clicking the Mglass would be faster still. I tried it a couple times and it works, though one time it filled in the website name in all caps that I had to fix. Thanks for this info. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I find I'm using your suggestion of Reftools more than Proveit now. It works pretty well. Once it inserted nothing and once it inserted too much, but the rest of the time it was url/title/websitename just like I usually do. Thanks again. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Surface Table Bar removal
Why are you removing Surface Table Bar now? LOL. Seriously, there's NO NEED to be SO clean and minimalistic this way, you're inadvertently make info more confusing and less instructive to tennis fans and users 186.26.98.32 (talk) 08:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's called trivia and undue weight. Tennis Project rarely uses surface tables for these low level events. And when there is only a couple of events it's already in the table. Remember the surface table columns are sortable for that very reason. This is an encyclopedia, not a book and the subject. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * So you have A LOT work to do here - Tennis profiles have many 'errors' based on these strict rules 186.26.98.32 (talk) 09:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's endless as new articles and tables get created as fast as the team can fix them all. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * So put your heart on this ;) You see problem in my edits, there's a guy who does A LOT of mess with German players profiles - he replaced many infos I added about Jan Lennard Struff, for example 45.183.133.82 (talk) 20:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks like most of what you added to that player was wrong. They are ATP 250 ATP 500 and ATP 1000... not ATP Tour 250. We rarely need nowrap. Not sure why we need singles in doubles in a legend if it's already under singles or doubles headers. If they only played futures that's all we use for a heading, if they only played WTT that's all we use as a heading. If they played both we use both. As for font size we always strive for 100% unless the player played many many years. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * He abuses with 'nowrap' - so you're okay with that but not my edits? Smh And 'ATP 250 Series'/'ATP 500 Series' It's what I used lately 45.183.133.82 (talk) 22:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We don't need "series". The universal events are WTA 500 and ATP 500.... WTA 1000 and ATP 1000. To be honest nowrap seems to be a personal thing. I don't belive the tennis project has a standing on that aspect except for the performance timelines. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's ugly and turns tennis players profiles chaotic instead of cohesive. You sure have a lot of problem with my "excessive and unnecessary infos" but ignore other profiles "aesthetic choices" smh 45.183.133.82 (talk) 22:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I edit Jan Lennard Struff profile with your "New rules". Let's see If you find "An error" now LOL 45.183.133.82 (talk) 23:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Getting a little tired of your whining. You can find a lot of info at our project page at WikiProject Tennis. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Good - I hope you sendo these guidelines to all editors here, especially to the "nowrap aficionado" 45.183.133.82 (talk) 01:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey, if all you did was add or remove unwraps, I wouldnt have noticed or cared. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll wait the other guy mess with the new edition - aligned with these rules you presented - I did in Jan-Lennard Struff profile. I hope you leave a comment dissuading him too when it happens 45.183.133.82 (talk) 05:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Your guy, BundesBerti, removed info from Jan-Lennard Struff profile again, in his Challenger and Futures section - including 'nowrap' unnecessary editions. Will you send a harsh comment to him? You NEED to be fair on this 45.183.133.82 (talk) 13:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

It happened again
Your guy, BundesBerti, removed info from Jan-Lennard Struff profile again, in his Challenger and Futures section - including 'nowrap' unnecessary editions. Will you send a harsh comment to him? You NEED to be fair on this 45.183.133.82 (talk) 12:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Stop with the "my guy" stuff. I told you nowrap is sort of a non-issue in most instances. Everything else was refining what I already fixed. It looks great. I even refined the ITF stuff more. What you were doing was adding stuff over and over that was fixed. When there are no ITF events you have them in the legend. And he is correct that when the entire section is about Challenger level events we dont need a Challenger tier in the table. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I removed 'nowrap' from 'your guy' editions ;) And you said adding '(singles)' and '(doubles)' was unnecessary - but here you are adding on João Fonseca profile, right after criticizing me for doing the same - you're hypocrite and don't even follow your own rules LOL 45.183.133.225 (talk) 21:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't even know if I'm talking to the same person since you are too lazy to sign up for an account and your IP keeps changing. You're about to be banished from my talk page if you don't start behaving. Stop with the "your guy" crap. I didn't add anything, I reverted all your mistakes en masse, and the doubles singles stuff was part of it. If you add only good things then all is well. If you make mistakes then there are issues. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Either you and Wikipedia community set an ultimate and universal pattern to ALL tennis players profiles or I'll doing new editions who I feel apropriate. It's arbitrary and chaotic anyway. Oh, and you firstly removed my'(singles)' and '(doubles)' from Legend Bar I added on João Fonseca profile - but now re-added them as your own idea - so yes, you're hypocrite 45.183.133.108 (talk) 21:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Then you and all your clones stay off of my talk page. I'm done with your attacks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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Challenger/ITF Results
Hello, please point me in the direction of the discussion/vote where consensus was established or to the standard/template format to follow when it comes to recording Challenger and ITF Futures/WTT results for ATP players in separate sections instead of combined (as it has been done for years now on wikipedia). Separating them makes the pages longer for no reason, not to mention it seems excessive/unnecessary to separate them out since they are considered minor leagues to the ATP Tour and had for years on wikipedia been recorded together in the same tables for singles and doubles. Why the change now? TNNSUH (talk) 01:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We were never supposed to tally both ITF and Challenger events together. This has been discussed but I'd have to search where. They always used to be separate but I would agree that for some reason they have more recently often been combined. That's very sloppy for the minor league and the minor/minor league. It like when i find editors totaling Davis Cup and Olympic w/l in the performance charts. I think what happened is that in the past we did not have win loss record of 5-7 in a column. And I'm not saying they have to be in separate charts, that's what i found easier to make the correction of tallying the two together. What could also be done is keep them under the same Challenger and ITF header and keep them in the same table.. but put all the Challenger events first in date order and then all the ITF events in date order. The Challenger events would tally as 1-0, 2-0, 2-1, 3-1... and then the ITF events would start their own tally of 1-0, 1-1, 1-2, 2-2 etc... I see no issue with that if you prefer. That would keep things under one header. What I think is messy is having one table with all entries by date, thus creating scattered Challenger and ITF events. Then the tallying column might be 1-0, 1-1, 1-2, 1-0, 1-1, 1-3... that's what we should try to avoid for our readers. The only thing that's not acceptable is totaling the wins and losses from two different levels of competition as if they were the same. They even have two different governing bodies. If you want to make it in the same table I have no issues with that. I don't think we have a standard but I remember having this conversation a couple times before. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with what you said about keeping them in the same table but listing the futures/wtt results first by date and w/l then the challengers next (by date and w/l as well). I think until some sort of consensus is established on the wiki project, it is best to list them in the same table but separate in a level sense so that readers can see the players record in each level of tournament instead of how they currently are (mixed together by date and disregarding level). TNNSUH (talk) 21:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Considering the fact the they originally were in separate tables and laziness started putting them in the same table I'm not sure everyone would agree, but same table but separate sections can work for me. I would list Challengers first as we do main tour first. That way it moves down the page by importance. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:07, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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Fyunck, can you assist me with cleaning up Iga's career stat page. I will add scope, you can expand the deprecated tags, then we can open a discussion on the project's talk page about the charts. After all has been said and done, I plan on nominating the article for good article or Class A at least to serve as an example for career statistics articles. What do you say? Qwerty284651 (talk) 01:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Certainly. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you take care of valign and align please? Qwerty284651 (talk) 07:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the edit conflict earlier. Was using regex and most of the hex codes were missing #, namely ffffcc, CCCCFF, 98FB98, FFCCCC, ffa07a, afeeee, efefef, ffebcd, e9e9e9, d4f1c5. Qwerty284651 (talk) 08:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I saw you reverted vertical-align back to valign. The latter is deprecated.
 * LOL... I do a lot in Open Office with find all and replace and forgot to include the # also. It was all white and I knew I blew it. What's tough is the actual code is supposed to be style="background:#fcfcfc;" but it's really hard to find and replace that way when you start with bgcolor=fcfcfc. You can't just replace bgcolor= with the really proper html. style=background:#fcfcfc will work when there is only one attribute but proper html says to use the semicolon and encase it in " ". And when you get a color like "Lime" there is no # so that's an issue too. I didn't mean to change the vertical-align... I reverted the chart back to it's proper visual form and that got caught in the revert. Sorry. Time for sleep for me. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * One can always have a custom template for the regex for the SF, F and W, the only 3 using actual words and the semicolon is unnecessary. Also ## -> # to resolve duplicates. Pretty much it can be done with 3 replacements. I forgot about # too. Hence why everything was white. 😅 Qwerty284651 (talk) 09:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * When taught, the semicolon should be included. It will work fine at wikipedia without it, but then again it will work fine without the parenthesis also. I think there are other word colors in different charts but I could be mistaken. I wonder if there is a bot that will do the fixing for us? Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's what I mentioned, the SF, F and W colors: yellow, thistle, lime. Qwerty284651 (talk) 18:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But I know I also run into LightBlue for W25 tournaments and I think there could be one more. But yeah, if you fix the colors first then it goes smoother. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I modified Iga's top 10 section to pass MOS:COLHEAD and added sticky headers for easier navigation on mobile. Give me your thoughts. Top10 key is intended to go to the top or bottom of the top 10 wins chart? I narrowed to 75% for a better fit on mobile. Qwerty284651 (talk) 16:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Where the top 10 key goes is of minor concern to me. I created it because of discussions at Swiatek's and Sabalenka's 2024 seasons and that we needed a key. It worked well for those so I started making sure to add it to the bottom of all the standard charts. Whether it goes on top is a matter of aesthetics. It looks better on the bottom and I think most readers will understand it without the key, but it's there for those who require it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What table attribute decides how long is the visible part of the scrollable table? Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The original height is 75vh or 75% of the screen's size. An example set to 50% of screen's height. The attribute in question is the div scroll above the table: . This percentage for how much of the table is displayed is subjective and up for debate. I personally prefer 50%. Qwerty284651 (talk) 21:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm fiddling with it and no matter what percent I use it's always the same height on my monitor. I'd rather it be a static number rather than a percentage. I'll keep fiddling. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You seem to have a big screen. Try it on your phone in mobile view. Qwerty284651 (talk) 22:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Even changing the window size does nothing. It looks like per this article max-height will not work. I never do editing on a phone, and rarely use my phone for any extensive wiki research. My thoughts were to try an limit the table to the first 10 or 15 entries so that every player would be identical. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you changing the max-height in the scroll div or the table? You change the scrolling in the div wrapper not the table. Qwerty284651 (talk) 22:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Took a second gander at the code. You use 50vh not em for max-height. My bad. Qwerty284651 (talk) 22:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The only thing I see is div class="sticky-header-scroll" max-height:50% and changing it to 20% or 75% makes zero difference in Chrome. I don't see any other max-height used on the entire article. It must only work on mobile. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Set the table's width and height to 300em, you'll see what I mean. Qwerty284651 (talk) 22:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iga_%C5%9Awi%C4%85tek_career_statistics&diff=1226482521&oldid=1226481879 Qwerty284651 (talk) 22:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I restored sticky row headers for horizontal scrolling and the sort name for the players you accidentally removed. Qwerty284651 (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I see what you did. However one thing I am not accidentally doing is removing the sort from round which has little value, and stopping the non-standard centering. Those need to go! If you were actually looking at wikipedia recommendations, numbers are best sorted to the right but lest looks cleaner, while centering looks poor. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The number alignment can be toggled.
 * This is the param in question, you've been struggling with: https://prnt.sc/q-yikU6hog33. With wide screen it is barely noticeable. Better example with a larger table. Qwerty284651 (talk) 22:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Instead of changing table height/width to see the effects of sticky rows/column headers, what can be easily seen on mobile, all you have to do is zoom in. It's that simple as I recently found out by experimenting. Qwerty284651 (talk) 23:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The biggest thing I was looking at was the number of rows shown on the screen under normal circumstances. You changing it to 50vh was exactly what I was looking for. It comes out to about 12-13 rows on my monitor screen. Then you can scroll down the rest of the way to 39. It doesn't overwhelm the article yet shows enough for most to be happy with. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * With this simple div scroll with the vh parameter modifier (see vh related discussion), you can shorten an article list without removing any chart data. List of slam records article is my primary target for this, but will open a separate discussion because some charts can be limited to 3+ or 4+ titles followed by a scrolling table. Other lists in these articles aren't in that poor shape, except the no. 1 week and slam winners for all 5 disciplines (first tables/charts in all of them: 4 for weeks and 5 for slams, 9 articles) would need severe truncating followed by MAYBE...a table resorter to change the order from ascending to descending, because it would conceal the latest winners, one would have to scroll all the way to the bottom....it would be a major change, but that's something to be opened on the project's talk page...maybe on a smaller scale in the aforementioned articles' talk pages...This is something fairly new, I have been experimenting with. TBD. Qwerty284651 (talk) 00:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Side note: For div scroll all you need is  and, max-/min- in max-height is optional for limiting the effects of the scroll-container in the table (example + code). ..the templatedate for covid19 you added is for sticky rows-tending to the mobile users moreso than pc ones (more details here). Unless, your intention was to have sticky row headers (col 1 or 2) in which case ignore this comment. Qwerty284651 (talk) 00:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Merging of navboxes
I have been testing main tourn. categories navboxes (atp and wta 500 and 250 navbox versions (1990-present) and the olympics champions) for a potential merger and I need your input on whether these would benefit the community better if they are centralized on 1 page, similar to wta 1000. Qwerty284651 (talk) 23:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * It can be done but here's what I'm really not fond of. When I'm on a WTA players page and I click on the navbox, right at the top front and center I want to see the WTA chart, not the ATP chart. When I'm on an ATP players page when I click on the navbox, I want the ATP chart right at the top front and center. 99% of the time we only want the navbox that concerns that player. Example of the ATP 500s. For Alcaraz why on earth would we put any navigation to anything but ATP 500 events? International Gold events happened over 16 years ago and you can count those players on two hands. Same with WTA 500 but since it is so recent I might include the WTA Premier. I guess I like having the navbar that only matters to that player. Also, me probably thinking of the sexes, having the WTA always below the ATP in everything we create is a little squirrely. I could be in the minority on this so plop it on the project talk page and see if others agree with you... everyone but me just might. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Feedback request: Biographies request for comment
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 * LOL... no chance I would touch that page with a 11 1/2 foot pole. It is so lopsided in it's viewpoints as to be one of the most unusable articles at Wikipedia. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Graf's golden slam
Fyunck, can you create a 1988 in tennis, similar to 2021 in tennis, and link it in the subsection you added? Thanks. Qwerty284651 (talk) 13:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ It's done 1988 in tennis. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Thank a lot. Qwerty284651 (talk) 20:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You had a few redirect stragglers, I bypassed. You can place the following code in your common.css page to highlight redirects. Qwerty284651 (talk) 21:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I did it very quickly and didn't notice. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Why so hostile?
I don't get people who jump on someone else's edit and leave a snotty remark like you just did on my Reilly Opelka ones. First of all no-one else could be bothered to do the work I did and secondly who made you the rules of Wikipedia arbiter? Try being nice it'll make you feel so much better. Have a great day. Shrug02 (talk) 20:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Really??? Jumped on and snotty???? You have to be kidding. My summary said "no scoring in prose unless it's a record." Those are Wikiproject Tennis rules. It's why I left it. I was nice and to the point. I removed the scores and replaced it with number of sets just like other project members do. You've only been here three months so that would be a standard summary to inform you not to use scoring in prose in normal circumstances. I adjusted some paragraphs and fixed some event names. Otherwise I have no idea what side of bed you fell out of today. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Career of Rafael Nadal
Why did you undo this split? You yourself said at Talk:Rafael Nadal that the page was too long. WP:SIZESPLIT says articles with over 15,000 words "Almost certainly should be divided or trimmed", and Rafael Nadal has nearly 23,000 words. Are you going to remove a third of the article instead of splitting it? Un assiolo (talk) 23:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I did not undo it, someone else did, though I do agree with it. And absolutely yes... it needs to be trimmed by a third not take all the trivial bloat and put it somewhere else. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)