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Veyne on Constantine I and the Crispus / Fausta affair.
You asked me about whether the resons given in the article to Constantine's joint executions of Crispus & Fausta were given by Paul Veyne or myself. What I did was to develop the Veyne's commentary in "Quand notre monde est devenu chrétien", page 113.

I translate the text into English from the original French.Veyne discusses the reasons for Constantine's deathbed baptism:

"Baptism effacing all anterior sins, one can suppose that Constantine postponed it because he had on his conscience the murders of his wife Fausta and his promising bastard Crispus - provided these murders, whose reason we ignore, were taken by Constantine himself as sins, something one can doubt about. After at least six hundred years, it was admitted ("as one admits the postulates of geometry", wrote Plutarch [Life of Demetrios the Beseiger, III,5]) that in a reigning family the murder of one's close relatives was admissible as a means to assure the interests of the throne, and one would see worse after the death of Constantine himself [foootnote on Gibbon's account of the "promiscuous massacre" of the princes of the house of Constantine after Constantius II's acession].

I did not quote from this specific text, but from Veyne's "L'Empire Gréco-Romain", in the chapter on "What is a Roman Emperor", where he writes thus: "Political life in the Roman Empire was superficial, consisting mostly [...] of struggles between bigwigs [...] Therefore an usurpation was to be feared on the slightest pretext: if one of the Emperor's relatives had a far too successful career, 'it was clear that he would eventually disturb civil peace'"[Ammianus Marcellinus,XXVI, 6,1]".

I leave for you to decide whether the two texts warrant my personal interpretation.And many thanks for the interest and the trouble taken in correcting meCerme (talk) 15:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw your throughly and well-reasoned reply, and will think about adding something that suits Wikipedia's need for compression. As for "bigwig", Veyne's original French says "combats de chefs" (L'Empire Gréco-Romain, 46). That poses a problem for translation into English, specially for someone like me, whose native language is neither English nor French. What I pondered is that "chef" standed for the idea of social preeminence and informal leadership, and therefore could not be translated as "leader", which is far more formal. "Boss" would perhaps be a better choice, but I wondered that it could carry with it the idea of a formal economic authority associated with the common idea of a capitalist employer. Veyne was, I believe, also trying to convey into French the concept of informal social authority tied to various Latin terms such as "honestiores", "potentes", "boni". Therefore I decided to use "bigwig", even because - or maybe exactly because - of its obsolescence, as it seemed to me to convey better the idea of an acknowledged social preeminence not tied to the actual holding of a political position. Again, thanks for the interestCerme (talk) 13:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I have now added a reference from a recent work by Goldsworthy that seems to me brief and non-speculative enough to sum up the whole affairCerme (talk) 11:40, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Since there's not an available review in English of Veyne's book on Constantine, I have decided to postpone discussing his (implict) views on the Crispus/Fausta affair, and instead to add a brand-new paragraph on Constantine's administrative reforms, which were, in terms of the management of the Roman Empire,almost as important as his religious ones, and which until now were absent from the Wikipedia entry Cerme (talk) 17:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Pardon me for butting in a day late and a dollar short. I found three reviews. The first is very, very short, the second has some actual content, the third I could not get to.
 * Sartre, Maurice. "Rev. of Quand notre monde est devenu chretien (312-394)." Biography 30.2 (2007): 259.
 * Udoh, Fabian E. "Rev. of Quand notre monde est devenu chretien (312-394)." Theological Studies 69.2 (2008): 473-74
 * Ando, Clifford. "Arrayed in her native purity: Quand Notre Monde est Devenu Chretien: 312-394." Times Literary Supplement Feb 22, 2008: 25. Drmies (talk) 03:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Diocletianic Persecution
A very well-written article, I found it fascinating. Congratulations on bringing it to FA. &mdash; BillC talk 22:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Bill. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 04:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * And now on the main page - congratulations. :) And btw, thanks for the devotion to the tedious work copyediting Constantine. :thumbs up: Varana (talk) 17:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Potter??!
Ooops... yes, the first one: will fix. Thanks for that (and the complimums). Regards! Haploidavey (talk) 22:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I only just noticed your superb work on the Diocletianic Persecution - a real pleasure to read and I linked to it with confidence. Any input (interpretive insight, critical, whatever) to Imp. Cult would be welcome: though I have to say, I'd not be surprised if you were topic-fatigued... Anyhow, really well done. Haploidavey (talk) 23:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Hello. After a broad copyedit, a re-ordering of structure, an improvement of the referencing in places, and a few minor content additions, I think this article is ready for FAC. Since you're the lead content contributor, I thought I'd contact you to hear your thoughts and give you the opportunity to execute the nomination. What do you think? — Anonymous Dissident  Talk 14:48, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Philip the Arab and Christianity
Are you going to work on the article or should I let the GA review fail? Greetings Wandalstouring (talk) 09:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Some notable works on the topic:
 * Kaizer, Ted; The Variety of Local Religious Life in the Near East in the Hellenistic and Roman Periods; series: Religions in the Graeco-Roman World 164 (Leiden 2008) This book has a very high reputation
 * [German] Girardet, Klaus M.; Die Konstantinische Wende. Voraussetzungen und geistige Grundlagen der Religionspolitik Konstantins des Großen, Darmstadt, Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft, 2006 (book published by a renown scientific publishing house, shows that various "Christian" emperors weren't, among them Philippus Arabs)
 * I hope that helps you to solve the NPOV issues. Wandalstouring (talk) 10:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Use descriptions of your edits like every other user, especially if these aren't minor edits. That's a very bad editing style you currently exhibit. A side effect is that it makes it rather difficult for me to see any progress regarding the article. Wandalstouring (talk) 16:33, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Your comments hardly show any progress and make me thus inclined to fail the article. Your apocryphal edit descriptions are useless for another editor. Use short edit descriptions that are telling. Wandalstouring (talk) 11:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * As you said, you're not capable of handling this material. Wandalstouring (talk) 12:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Start working with the material you have. If you make progress I'll send you the pdf. Wandalstouring (talk) 17:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Give the article an understandable structure that is based on scientific opinions as suggested in the review. Do I have to quote it in full? Your edits have not convinced me you are capable of handling the problems on your own within reasonable time, so do try to get some outside help. Wandalstouring (talk) 19:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You're too late. I already requested a second opinion. I always do that before I let an article fail. Wandalstouring (talk) 12:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion/archive2
A month and a half later (holiday sluggishness and all). Hope things go well. Best, — Anonymous Dissident  Talk 11:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Philip request
Hi, G.W. I haven't looked at the material you pointed me to yet, but I did want note that my first reaction to Diocletianic Persecution was unwarranted, as I apologized later. The article itself was actually quite balanced; it was some wording in the introduction that led me to believe that the article was going to have a Christian bias. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

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Quotes
Hi G.W, I noticed this edit of yours at Ireland 800–1169. Hopefully I've managed to remove all the italics, but I'm curious why you added under that quotation - does such marking have any effect without a prior ? Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 16:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem at all, I'm just grateful your edit made me check WP:MOS and learn about not using italics in quotations before I had added even more of those. This is my first major work here at Wikipedia in English, and there are more rules regarding citations and quotations here than I am used to at Wikipedia in Norwegian. I've still got a lot to learn, which is why I asked about that seemingly redundant marking instead of just removing it. If you notice any other concerns in that article I'd be very grateful for feedback. A native-English speaking editor has agreed to copyedit once I've finished expanding, but I'd naturally rather not leave too many tedious format/style corrections to other users.


 * Very impressive collection of FA-stars on your user page btw, keep up the good work :) Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 19:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Philip the Arab and Christianity
Hi G.W. I posted something to the peer-review page; I probably shouldn't have but anyway, I did, then thought the following might be more useful here if you needed to confirm (for whatever reason) the exemption of Jews from Imperial edicts on worship:


 * Smallwood, E., Mary, The Jews under Roman rule: from Pompey to Diocletian: a study in political relations, illustrated, Brill Publishers, 2001. ISBN 0-391-04155-X: covers the situation from the late Republic to Diocletian. I've highlighted "exemption": . Just in case it's relevant to your purposes, Josephus' so-called "Jewish Charter" is disputed. Apparently Judaism's not known as a religio licita until we're told of it by Tertullian. But as I say, that's just in case. There's also:


 * Momigliano's "On Pagans, Jews and Christians" - more a series of essays and theses, not universally accepted but they make insightful reading and might be useful, even as a partial preview:

You're doing great work. Best regards. Haploidavey (talk) 23:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Haploidavey! I will check these out. I actually own Momigliano's On Pagans, Jews and Christians, though I haven't read through the whole thing yet. G.W. (Talk) 01:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I see the article's now promoted to GA. You're truly indefatigable and amazingly positive in the face of hostile comments; I'd have turned my face to the wall after the first attempt! Haploidavey (talk) 12:25, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! This is probably the fifth time something like this has happened here&mdash;it's not so much my "first attempt" any more. It's still disheartening, though. Thanks for your post! It cheered me up. G.W. (Talk) 16:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

GA Review of Philip the Arab and Christianity
Hello,

I have started a GA review of Philip the Arab and Christianity as you requested. The article is pretty close to GA status, but I would like to see some minor changes before I pass the article. Please see the review page for more information. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:11, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I've updated the review. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:16, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I've passed the article. Congratulations! I also left some "final thoughts" on the review page which you probably want to check out. Its been a pleasure reviewing this article, ThaddeusB (talk) 03:31, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Estimates of the number of Christian martyrs during Roman persecutions
I have added this section to Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire. Frankly, the section is more of a quotefarm than anything resembling adequate encyclopedic prose. Perhaps you could take a stab at it. Thanx. --Richard S (talk) 06:15, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

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March Madness 2017
G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:


 * tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
 * updating the project's currently listed A-class articles to ensure their ongoing compliance with the listed criteria
 * creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the military history scope will be considered eligible. More information can be found here for those that are interested, and members can sign up as participants at that page also.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now.

For the Milhist co-ordinators. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) & MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Hussein Obama listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Hussein Obama. Since you had some involvement with the Hussein Obama redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:51, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military history WikiProject Coordinator election
Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway. As a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 29 September. Thank you for your time. For the current tranche of Coordinators, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting
As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the Military Historian of the Year and the Military History Newcomer of the Year. The co-ordinators invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: here and here. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:36, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

User group for Military Historians
Greetings,

"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive
G'day all, please be advised that throughout April 2018 the Military history Wikiproject is running its annual backlog elimination drive. This will focus on several key areas:


 * tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
 * adding or improving listed resources on Milhist's task force pages
 * updating the open tasks template on Milhist's task force pages
 * creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the scope of military history will be considered eligible. This year, the Military history project would like to extend a specific welcome to members of WikiProject Women in Red, and we would like to encourage all participants to consider working on helping to improve our coverage of women in the military. This is not the sole focus of the edit-a-thon, though, and there are aspects that hopefully will appeal to pretty much everyone.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 April and runs until 23:59 UTC on 30 April 2018. Those interested in participating can sign up here.

For the Milhist co-ordinators, AustralianRupert and MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:54, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Cheers, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
G'day everyone, voting for the 2018 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:35, 15 September 2018 (UTC)