User talk:G72562/Archive May 2007

Please ventilate grievances to him directly
Mackan is still an extremely problematic and disruptive user who is yet to make a single useful edit, and I'd very much like to see him/her banned by me. --LuckyandLucky 18:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, well then, good luck on your RFA, mate. Mackan 18:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You should apologize for the slander to me. Your sincerity is waited for. Good-bye. --LuckyandLucky 18:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Dear LuckyandLucky, I have not slandered you, I was talking of another user (Necmate), who oncamera (and I as well) suspected might have been the same user as you. If you took any offence, I apologize. Mackan 18:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

JLPT
You know, I actually passed 1級 of the 日本語能力試験 in 1996 but man, when you don't use it you lose it real quick. It's really sad, although when I last visited Japan in 2000 it did come back fairly quickly. As it turns out, I was looking at the comfort women article when I posted to WP:AN last night. Anyway, I'm not sure how much help I'll be, but sometimes it just takes a person with a badge to put a stop to things. Regards,  howcheng  {chat} 16:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Any help would on that and a bunch of other disputed articles would be much appreciated, there's a whole bunch of problems associated with a few Japanese conservative anti-Korean 2channelers (see ). I'll try and post about it on the admin's noticeboard before soon, hope you will have a look at it when I do. Regards, Mackan 18:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello
Calton thinks I am "stalking" him, but that is just his imagination. I have PLENTY of things better to do than that. I offer my help to people who are having trouble (getting warnings) so I can help them not get warnings and get themselves in trouble. I am not trying to cause trouble, I am trying to help others and prevent it. If these people are going to continue to cause trouble, then there is nothing I can do about that and I will back away. But, I honestly am trying to help.

But with Calton, he is alot of hot air, alot of anger, mixed with a tad bit of paranoia and I don't take anything he says with a grain of sand, salt or any other fine ground rock. If I can be of further assistance to you, or if you need any help in the future, feel free to let me know and I will be glad to help. Rock on....SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 19:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The idea that you are stalking Calton is nothing I got from his "imagination", but simply from reading comments other users have left at your talk page. A look in your archived talk pages also show that at least 2 admin's already have asked you to stay away from him, and I must say, without any hostility or bias in favour of Calton (the DDRG user issue is the first time I've noticed him), that I think that sounds like a good idea. Thank you. Mackan 19:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I can assure you, I am not "stalking" him. The problems before were about a TV station article.  If you look now, AMIB and I were trying to work out a problem on Stoopid Monkey and Calton turned up.  I can't tell him where he can and can't go...so I let him do his ranting.  But, I was there many hours before he showed up.  Calton and I have never gotten along and even if I stay away from him...he won't stay away from me.  Many "reality checks" on my talk page show that.  But, again, I assure you, I am not "stalking" him.  I am just helping people out.  I will stop that too if you like. - SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 20:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I have redirected my offer to help User:DDRG to admin User:El_C. I can't help a person or even offer my help around here without Calton's name coming up.  He can get as rude and as incivil as he wants to anyone he wants with no problems and if I help someone he has "opposed" I am "stalking" him and I get in trouble.  I am restricted in what I can do here.  This borders on ridiculous. - SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 20:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Reply
If you want an "official" rule, it'd probably be this from WP:3RR:

"Other exceptions to the rule include the following:...Normally, reverting by a user within their own user space"

Of course, many editors still do consider it poor form and somewhat uncivil to remove messages from your talk page, and there are certain circumstances under which it is not acceptable to revert in your user space (for example, if someone objects to content that seems to violate WP:UP and removes it, or if you accidentally used a fair-use image in userspace and it's removed). However, a lot of discussions on the matter have come to the conclusion that if a user removes a message or warning, (s)he can simply be presumed to have read it and been warned. Generally, it's preferable to archive rather than delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

dont bad talk
Hi dont bad talk me by saying i have canvassed many people. Name three more (thats a bunch)? Outside the person you are already claiming, that perosn has an own opinion and i dont think my "suggestion" made it trun one way or another.I bet you do alot of good things on Wiki but you can lie about thigngs like that.Thats just silly nonsense, and to say that i have done it to a bunch of people? whats that.Just shows lack of judgement from you.--Matrix17 19:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Matrix17, I'm sorry, I made a mistake. I saw in your contrib list that you had left messages on several user talk pages and clicked on one randomly, which happened to be the one where you had canvassed the three VfD's. Since it was surrounded by other user talkpage edits, I made the mistake of just "assuming" the rest were canvassing as well. I checked it out and as you obviously know, I was mistaken, and for that I sincerely apologize. Still, vote stacking is a policy violation whether or not you do it one or ten times, so please realise that the point I was making is still valid. See Canvassing. Mackan 19:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah its totally OK. I maybe overreacted to. Im sorry. Yeah i see. Hope we can work along on some article one day, have a nice evening.--Matrix17 19:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Just H
I dont know if this conflict was resolved but I saw Just H's post on WP:AN/I and it occurs to me that his calling your behavior "arrogant" is a personal attack. A user who talks about filing an RfC is probably familiar enough with policy to know about WP:NPA. KazakhPol 02:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you KazakhPol, yes, he is aware of NPA, but I don't think he really knows the content of it (see where he suggested I had commited a personal attack on him after asking how fluent his Japanese was). Mackan 15:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Friends
Hey, I addressed your query at Talk:Friends (group). You need to your new addition to your user space before it's speedy deleted, then you can clean it up and we'll see if it it passes muster.--Cúchullain t/ c 14:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd much rather just see you restore the article you deleted. Mackan 15:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd much rather you had asked me to do that before you recreated deleted material, but that's neither here nor there. At any rate, it's done now.--Cúchullain t/ c 16:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't really see why I should have asked anybody? The only reason it got deleted was because there weren't any sources, I gave you sources. Why should I then have to ask permission for anything, why waste even more time? I haven't violated any policy. I mean, it's done, and there's not really any need to discuss it any further, but since you're an admin, I would expect you not to sound so arrogant about it. Mackan 19:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, I shouldn't have said it like that. I'm sorry. I was just frustrated by that and some other AfDs recent AfDs that people had formatted improperly or disagreed with the decision on. I meant, if you had sources you could have just asked me or someone to undelete the page rather than recreating it, and put the sources in then. But anyway, the right thing happened, the article is fine now. Cheers.--Cúchullain t/ c 01:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Video journalism dispute
Hi Mackan. I've left a detailed reply to yourself and Mister-jones at Talk:Video journalism. I know it can be infuriating to work with some editors, and you've put up with a lot of abuse while dishing out very little in kind. That's appreciated, as is your dedication to the article. I haven't the time to get involved in the details, but I warmly urge you to take my suggestions about bringing more editors to look at the content question.

Regarding personal attacks, I hope my comments at the talk page help convince Mister-jones to stop. I know it's infuriating, but the more you can refrain from slinging mud back, the better. Please let me know if he continues with the ad hominem stuff, and if I don't seem responsive... I guess take it to WP:AN/I. Thanks for your patience. -GTBacchus(talk) 10:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser
If I am not mistaken, the checkuser was run by User:Dmcdevit, and showed there was no relationship between you and the other users listed. If you have further enquiries, you should ask User:Dmcdevit directly. Cheers! -- lucasbfr talk 15:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, right, missed to scroll down before. Thanks a lot! Mackan 19:03, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Please make the rule.
If the rule is not made, editors will write Korean Japanese, Zainichi Korean, and Japanse without permission.


 * A Parents are Koreans. A Japanese nationality is owned.
 * B One of parents are Koreans. A Japanese nationality is owned.
 * C The Korean naturalized in Japan is parents from Korea. A Japanese nationality is owned.
 * D The nationality is Korea though lived in Japan.
 * E The nationality is Korea though it was born in Japan.
 * F Person who is born in Korea, and naturalized from Korea in Japan
 * G Person who is born in Japan, and naturalized from Korea in Japan

--Azukimonaka 16:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Don't put a tag on talk page with no reason
I have reported you to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Because you have no reason to put a tag on my talk page. I only reverted and I haven't been done CU. Stop parsonal attack.DDRG 19:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Suspected_sock_puppets, step 8 in Reporting suspected sock puppets: "Tag the suspected sockpuppet(s). Edit the user page (not the user talk page) of the suspected puppet account(s) to add the text PUPPETMASTER ". That a checkuser has been carried is not a prerequsite, you are suspected on the nature of your edits. Mackan 19:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Joji Obara
Sorry about the "racist" comment. You'll see I redacted it shortly after I made it. It was unhelpful, and untrue. I was trying to turn a phrase, I suppose. You truly did not accuse me of anything. I apologize for implying you did. Andyparkerson 16:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries, it was easy to misinterpret it, the way I wrote it. Mackan 16:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What I wrote (with a couple articles) has gotten buried, but I found a couple articles stating that Mr. Obara is of just Japanese descent. Thought that might help ya out a little.  Take Care.... SVRTVDude  ( Yell 23:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but nobody is questioning Obara's ethnicity (per a Times Online article, if I'm not mistaken). Mackan 21:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Ryūkyū notice
Hello. Last fall you were a little late in participating in discussions at Ryukyu Islands and WP:MOS-JA. There is a related poll occurring now at Talk:Ryūkyū proper. Many of the original people involved have already commented. Perhaps you have not noticed, so this is a reminder. If you have any comments, please make them before discussions end. Regards. Bendono 00:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:Warning
Please do not introduce any form of vandalism to the userpages of other users. -- Mackan 20:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This user is Inconclusive　I do not support the personal attack.　--Azukimonaka 20:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Even so, do NOT throw around accusations of personal attacks lightly. It's uncivil and can constitute a personal attack of it's own. Mackan 20:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It is a personal attack that you rewrite the top page of the hated user. Please contact the administrator if there is a problem in my behavior. I explain your behavior. --Azukimonaka 20:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies. Guidelines for dealing with suspected sockpuppets/meatpuppets specifically state one SHOULD post exactly what I posted on the suspected puppet's userpage. You are NOT describing my "behaviour", you are mischaracterizing my edits as personal attacks. Please read up on WP:NPA and excercise more caution in the future. Mackan 20:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It is your interpretation. I think that I should ask the administrator for mediation. You are blaming each other to him. You are not neutrality. --Azukimonaka 20:28, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it's not "my interpretation", it's the official take on it. Mackan 20:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You must do the change request of TopPage to the administrator if your interpretation is universal. I know you were blaming each other to him. --Azukimonaka 20:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)--Azukimonaka 21:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Suspected sock puppets/Vml132f
Hi Mackan, both users were already blocked for 3RR so I don't see the point of an additional block. What new sock/meatpuppet accounts do you think there are? --Akhilleus (talk) 03:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)