User talk:GMH Melbourne/Archive 2023

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Nomination for deletion of Template:John Cain Sr sidebar
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Question about recreating articles
Hello I have an enquiry about the best avenue for discussion for the reimplementation of a page previously deleted in an AfD. I am seeking a new discussion on the page, therefore I believe that a deletion review is not appropriate.

There is currently a discussion on the talk page of the article in question but I am unsure if this is the best location for the discussion to take place. If it is the case that the talk page is the best location, is there a noticeboard anywhere to advertise the discussion? - GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Alternatives would be a deletion review or to simply create the draft and have it pass review. The prior deletion may be a bit of headwind for getting the draft accepted, but if the draft is actually good, it would be accepted.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 03:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Prefer Wikilinks over URL links
If you precede the 'Category' namespace with a colon, you get a link to the category listing, but it doesn't place the page in the category. So

yields Category:Wikipedians looking for help

Similarly you could use

for subpages of your user page.

Somewhere in the pile of guidelines, there's a recommendation saying that Wikilinks are much preferred over external links back into Wikipedia. I don't know all of the justifications for this, but it's ever so slightly tidier.

Why did I notice this? Because you briefly added your quick links page to the category, which raised an alert that I saw.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 06:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * ahaha, thank you very much. - GMH Melbourne (talk) 06:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Welcome!
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A few tips that you might find helpful: Once again, welcome to the project.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   17:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   17:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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"Topic is notable, however, the article is too short"
I'm not aware of any policy that would support your decline here. Mind giving one? Urve (talk) 07:30, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions - GMH Melbourne (talk) 06:18, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Appreciate it, didn't notice (or forgot) that clause :). (BTW: Ping didn't work, see Help:Notifications.) Hopefully my tone here is right, but I just wanted to stop by and share a concern I have. You're free to ignore it, but I'd like to hear what you think. I'm not being accusatory - hopefully I come across the way I intend. If the purpose of AFC is to accept articles that are likely to survive a deletion request, which is not based on the state of an article but notability, declining a notable stub for length seems at odds with that. There is no policy against the creation of stubs in mainspace, so declining a draft because it is a stub seems to go around our accepted practice. (Which isn't your fault, but the result is not compatible with our acceptance of stubs as articles generally.) It's also an inconsistent result; your acceptance of Richard Pacheco (politician) is of comparable length to Draft:Jesse Dungee, and they rely on the same notability claim (WP:NPOL). Do you see what I mean? It's not consistent to accept only one of Pacheco or Dungee; there may be other reasons to decline one or the other, but that's something separate. (You didn't say this, but thought I'd mention since it's the only difference I see between them: There's no requirement that stubs have sections, like Pacheco does; MOS:NOLEAD is the explanation.)  FloridaArmy is no stranger to declines, so this isn't a big deal - they'll resubmit and it'll eventually get accepted by someone else. I think your request for the AFC permissions displayed a thoughtful approach which considered the feelings of AFC submitters, and I'd just like to mention that consistency might be part of our atmosphere, too. But I might be wrong. Happy to hear what you think? Urve (talk) 19:03, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Urve, thank you for your message, in retrospect the article probably should of been accepted for the reason you mentioned, that it is likely the article would of survived the deletion process. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I will use it as an opportunity to learn. I have since accepted the article. - GMH Melbourne (talk) 23:37, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Death of Patrick Cronin
BorgQueen (talk) 12:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC) GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Question about using Template:Infobox mapframe
Hello. I am trying to get the below infobox mapframe template to work for Electoral district of Kew but it doesn't seem to load as can be seen in my sandbox. The wikidata code is Q5355563 and the Open Street map relation ID (which was link through wikidata 4 days ago) is 3902048.

- GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * About all I can do is refer you to Q4 of the FAQ at Template talk:Infobox mapframe - to get more help on this, you may need to ask in a specialist area (without the help me template. Perhaps WT:WikiProject Maps?  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 05:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jmcgnh:Thank you. - GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:50, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Nice to meet you :)
Thanks for liking my edit on Harry Sheezel. I was actually surprised that no-one else added his round 1 effort to the page. Nice to meet you. I see you do AFC reviews. I just created a new page Matthew Belloni and am waiting for it to be reviewed. I didn't do it through AFC. Do you mind taking a look at it and reviewing it? Thank you MaskedSinger (talk) 12:41, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @MaskedSinger: Yes thank you for your edit. He should have a very promising footy career. I have added a talk page for Matthew Belloni, the article looks good, I cannont mark it as reviewed but hopefully that gets done in the next couple of days. Nice to meet you. // GMH Melbourne (talk) 12:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @GMH Melbourne Thank you. I appreciate that. MaskedSinger (talk) 12:57, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Portrait of Jan Louise Murray Wade.jpg
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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Portrait of Jan Louise Murray Wade.jpg


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New page reviewer granted
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Faulty AfC accept
Hey, you should not accept articles on the Arab-Israeli conflict and other topics covered by relevant sanctions regimes (see WP:GS for a comprehensive list; look for entries with "Extended-confirmed restriction") when submitted by non-ECP editors unless you have checked every line of the page and are willing to stand by it as your own editing or if ECP editors have substantially rewritten the article. While there may well have been a notable Irgun operation in Iraq (not that this is clear from the sources cited in the article), the article as written made WP:EXTRAORDINARY claims without the sources to back them up, and Irgun Operation is definitely not the correct title for it (Irgun being an organization that existed for nearly two decades and carried out many operations). signed,Rosguill talk 04:39, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @RosguillSorry about that, I will look into it and hopefully avoid the mistake in future. ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  04:42, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

List of Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure episodes
I would like a new page reviewer to review this page because someone keeps on redirecting to main page. Here is the link:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Soaring_Sky!_Pretty_Cure_episodes&redirect=no Ckng9000 (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ckng9000: There is an ongoing WP:AfD so there is no point in me reviewing the page. ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  06:21, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I didnt know someone was reviewing it i talked to him on talk page but never responded for two days so i thought he forgot about it Ckng9000 (talk) 14:15, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

For your information
@GMH Melbourne though now I have intimated Simba1409 of your WP:3O request at their talk page, as per WP:DR and WP:3O you are supposed to convey concerned users for newly initiated WP:DR discussions. Pl. keep the same in your mind next time whenever you initiate WP3O, WP:DRN and WP:AfC etc. &#32;Bookku   (talk) 08:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bookku: Sorry about that, thank you ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  08:51, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @GMH Melbourne 3rd opinion has been provided at the article talk page. Wish you happy editing. &#32;Bookku   (talk) 18:21, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Victorian Ministers for Public Works


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 * For the record, this is now at Category:Ministers for Public Works (Victoria). – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:02, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive
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Your GA nomination of Death of Patrick Cronin
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Nomination of Rugg v Ryan for deletion
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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023
Hello , Backlog

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Concern regarding Draft:Results of the 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum
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New Pages to Be Reviewed
Hi GMH, Wondering if you would mind taking a look. The first is Leon Zwier. Thank you. Whitemancanjump23 (talk) 09:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Whitemancanjump23: Hello, I've reviewed it and created a talk page for it. Good article, job well done. ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  11:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Appreciate it. There is a second page created via AFC. Draft:David Wiseman (journalist) - Do you mind having a look at it as well? Whitemancanjump23 (talk) 11:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Asie kij
How many final warnings do you plan to give to this vandal before you report to AIV, only to notice that this vandal has already been reported? RecycledPixels (talk) 09:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @RecycledPixels: Sorry about that, I'm doing it through red warn while monitoring recent edits and didn't realise its the same user. Won't happen again. sorry. ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  09:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That doesn't sound like a very useful tool if it prompts you to make mistakes like that. RecycledPixels (talk) 09:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @RecycledPixels: I think it was because the heading "September 2023" was removed and the program didn't pick up the previous warnings. ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  09:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yet somehow it knew to issue a level 4 warning.  The previous warnings were issued by me, by hand, and I didn't bother with month/year headings because it was clearly a throwaway vandal account that wouldn't last more than an hour or two.  Whatever red warn is, it looks like a defective tool to me, and I would advise against using it, because those edits are signed by you, and it makes you look bad.  RecycledPixels (talk) 09:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

QPQ
Hello

I am happy to QPQ review your GA nom if you would be happy to review mine? I'd ideally want to finalise both before the 28th September. Please ping me if interested. Max — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @MaxnaCarta: I would love to help and review your article but unfortunately I have never reviewed a GA before and don't really know how. Sorry about that. ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  11:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Perfectly fine. If at one time you'd like to learn how, I am happy to review a different article with you as joint reviewer and show you the ropes. Take care — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:29, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I would love to learn. Feel free to reach out at any time when you come across an article that suites. :) ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  11:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @MaxnaCarta (forgot to ping) ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  11:32, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Help - Interacting with editor who is editing his own page
I came across some edits that were unsourced while I was doing anti-vandalism patrolling and reverted them. They have since been reinstated by the editor and he has said on his talk page: "I am Alex Tan himself. The previous version you have is defamatory." and " the older version you have reverted to did not have a reliable source either and there are a lot of baseless accusations. It is alright you reject my edits but can you explain your version?"

[ the older version you have reverted to did not have a reliable source either and there are a lot of baseless accusations. It is alright you reject my edits but can you explain your version?

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alex_Tan&diff=prev&oldid=1176200583

Seeing he is claiming defamation, I am curious on how to proceed. ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  04:48, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You will need to open a discussion on Talk:Alex Tan to try to come to consensus on how the article should read. That would be true whether or not there were claims by the other editor to be the subject of the article.
 * Self-interested editing can be a reason for an account to be blocked, but you would need to point out the problem on an administrative noticeboard. Describing something as defamatory falls short of being a legal threat, but if there is a threat made, it would likely be grounds for a block.
 * One possibility is to remove all material that is not substantiated by a reliable source. But an intro paragraph can be implicitly sourced by material further down in the body text of the article, so a conclusion of "unsourced" may need to take that into account - it's not simply a matter of there being no citation attached.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 05:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * F off your threat to block. Just block and I will come haunt this wiki page with new accounts.
 * None of you admin give a f about the accuracy of the biography and you are just outright supporting the Singapore dictatorship. 5staravenger (talk) 04:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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 * @SunDawn: Thank you for your kinds words, really appreciate it! ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  08:03, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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Luke Toki revdel request
Hi GMH Melbourne, Regarding your revdel request at Luke Toki, I think its highly unlikely that the article uses copyrighted content from https://www.whoauthorisedthis.com/about/, because the website was created in 2022 was the potentially infringing additions were added three years earlier, on 24 September 2019. It think it would be more likely that the website copied the content from Wikipedia, rather than a user plagiarising the content from the website, would you agree? Happily888 (talk) 14:57, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Happily888: Yes I concur, my mistake. ––– GMH MELBOURNE   TALK  15:01, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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Draft: Daniel Connell (comedian)
Hi GMH Melbourne, thanks for your comment on the draft page for Draft:Daniel Connell (comedian). Please see your comment below as well as my response to your comment. I hope this helps.


 * Comment: Requires more sources that meet WP:GNG to establish notability. Articles from ABC and Canberra Times are good but unfortunately as they are interview formatted, aren't totally independent of the subject. N.B: if you are editing with a conflict of interest, please see WP:COI on how to declare it properly. ––– GMH MELBOURNE TALK  07:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Response to comment: In order to establish notability I have added non-interview formatted sources such as reviews by established and independent sources of entertainment reviews (see ref 5,6,7,9,10). I have also added an in-studio TV interview on The Project on Network 10 (see ref 19). I am not editing with a conflict of interest.

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Round robin swaps
Just wanted to let you know, if you need a move reverted that was undiscussed, you can go to WP:RM/TR, and a page mover can do this without needing a deletion in the future! EggRoll97 (talk) 00:24, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


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Review
Hello @GMH Melbourne I need your help please review this article called Confiance Munyaneza is totally from reliable source and related to your recent reviewed REDIRECT Confy Munyaneza. Thanks, @GMH Melbourne. Pfomma (talk) 10:07, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

MEJA Expansion Act of 2007
Hi, I edited t law that you cited because it's the expansion act and not the orignal MEJA passed in 2000 (which is what you are citing to) that what enabled the DoJ to prosecute the Blackwater contractors involved in the Nissour Square Massacre. I'm not a lawyer yet, just a 3rd year law student, but I do write for the #2 corporate law journal in the U.S. and I do a lot of legal research. The expansion act that passed in 2007 closed the loophole that exluded the state departments security details contracted under WSP. Prior to the extension MEJA only applied to DoD and not DoS contractors. Look to the legislative history of the act and floor statments by sponsoring legislators. I wanted to respectfully let you know that this is actually the only time I have ever edited wikipedia. I am not trying to undermine or disrespect you in any way, it's just as a veteran this topic is personally very important to me, especially since I would like to advocate for progressive legislation in the U.S. to hold PMCs like blackwater liable in civil court. I think we probably want most of the same things, so please consider double checking this before changing it back.

Our-lady-of-the-hammer (talk) 23:32, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Our-lady-of-the-hammer: Thank you for your edit, the reason I reverted it is because wikipedia's Manual of Style doesn't like external links in the body of the article. Feel free to add the link in an "External links" section at the end of the article. ––– GMH MELBOURNE  00:36, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Geez, I'm terrible at computer stuff. I am going to have to get my husband to help me. Thanks! Our-lady-of-the-hammer (talk) 00:59, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Our-lady-of-the-hammer: No problem. Click here to edit the external links section of Blackwater's Article ––– GMH MELBOURNE  01:04, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Help
Hello. Help delete template for acticle Akane Yamaguchi. Thanks you. 27.64.221.154 (talk) 05:56, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * what would you like done, more specifically? ––– GMH MELBOURNE  05:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

October 2023
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give a page a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Results of the 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

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 * Hello, GMH Melbourne,
 * It is very bad form to move an existing article to Draft space and then cut and paste content back into main space in an article you created. I'm considering deleting your article and moving the draft article back or finding a way to merge the two. Please do not ever do this again, it's inconsiderate to other editors who worked on the original article. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 06:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Liz: Yes, I apologise for any inconvenience I have created, there was an article created over the draft which essentially contained no content (just empty section titles) and I was simply trying to swap the two as the draft actually contained the info the page displays now ––– GMH MELBOURNE  06:44, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Review
All redirect to this page all are reviwed by you and other new page reviewers but name of this page is not yet reviwed. Pfomma (talk) 07:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

AfC acceptance of Somya Thakur
Please be more cautious in your AfC acceptances. This article, when you accepted it, was almost pure promotion, contained a great deal of unreferenced BLP material and a fair amount of copyvio, and was overall in a completely inappropriate state. Please ensure that you do not accept submissions like this in the future. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, noted. ––– GMH MELBOURNE  07:30, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

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Draft:Results of the 2023 Australian Voice referendum
Why does Draft:Results of the 2023 Australian Voice referendum still even exist, when we have Results of the 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum? Mitch Ames (talk) 07:53, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * It was created over the draft I had created and it only had a short lead and empty headings so I swapped the pages over rather than merged. ––– GMH MELBOURNE  08:58, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Please consider deleting Draft:Results of the 2023 Australian Voice referendum, given that it appears to be superseded by Results of the 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:17, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

An apology
I want to apologize for my comments on Joe Roe's talk page. I've been frustrated with the whole situation concerning roads articles, and I really shouldn't have lashed on to you, especially behind your back.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 19:40, 27 October 2023 (UTC)


 * All is forgiven. Thank you for your apology! ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 22:19, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

AFC for Draft:Simon John Costa
Please note that according to WP:ANYBIO he meets the notability guidelines, due to having won several awards and he is also in the Australia's Who is Who dictionary. You can also check the online version and search it here. In addition, he is Officer of the Order of Australia. See pic. Could you please have another look? Grdude (talk) 08:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Grdude: Unfortunately, having an AO doesn't establish notability. The 'Who's Who' dictionary entry is one that I'd describe as a passing mention, rather than that of an entry in the Australian Dictionary of Biography which would undoubtably establish notability. All of this however, is just my opinion, I'll leave the draft for another reviewer who may have a different opinion to mine. In the meantime, I strongly recommend adding additional sources from news outlets that follow Wikipedia's WP:GNG criteria (if they exist). This will ensure the best chance of the article being accepted. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 09:09, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @GMH Melbourne I appreciate your feedback and quick response. Who's Who Dictionary is one of Australia's top dictionaries and a listing there means you have to be super notable. Also, I have gone ahead and add more citations and with existing citations, these ones should satisfy GNG:
 * - New CEO for Costa Group | Article | Fruitnet
 * - https://ilglobo.com/en/news/simon-costa-how-one-man-has-changed-the-lives-of-millions-42149/
 * - https://www.bluearth.org/new-chairman-simon-costa-ao-takes-on-the-physical-activity-crisis-amongst-aussie-kids/
 * - https://lucasgroup.com.au/from-australia-to-africa-simon-costa-awarded-for-services-to-african-agriculture/
 * In addition, I have added several more awards and nominations, so per WP:ANYBIO, he should qualify:
 * 2006 - Australian Agribusiness Leader of the Year.
 * 2006 - Australian Agribusiness Employer of Choice Award.
 * 2008 - Australian Family Business of the Year.
 * 2009 - Australia's Leading Transport and Logistics provider.
 * 2015 - United Nations WFP Global Innovation Challenge Award for the Most Impactful Humanitarian Innovation
 * 2016 - Pride of Australia Medal
 * 2016 - Assumption College Kilmore Hall of Excellence
 * 2018 - United Nations WFP Innovation Challenge Award.
 * 2018 - Australian of the Year nominee.
 * 2019 - Officer of the Order of Australia (AO) for distinguished service to business and humanity
 * 2020 - the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to United Nations WFP for its efforts to combat hunger. Costa’s work with WFP between 2012–2018 to reduce post-harvest food losses and increase resilience and sustainability within communities was recognized as a decisive contribution to increasing food security and improving prospects for stability and peace.
 * I wouldn't think that Australian of the Year nominee and Officer of the Order of Australia should be denied an entry in a Wikipedia. These by definition are awards and nominations that satisfy  WP:ANYBIO
 * The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times; or
 * The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field; or
 * The person has an entry in a country's standard national biographical dictionary (e.g. the Dictionary of National Biography).
 * In my opinion, he meets all these 3 criteria, but only one is needed to satisfy it. Grdude (talk) 18:02, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Grdude: In my opinion, the Who's Who dictionary isn't biographical, rather it is a passing mention of sorts, therefore it doesn't really count towards the third criterion. An AO probably borderlines a unlike an AC or Australian of the Year Award, so again i can really use that to satisfy the first criterion. That being said however, with the addition of the Il Globo article, and if you also add this source from the ABC the article should establish notability via WP:GNG. I'd also go over the article again to smooth over anything that may come across as not being neutral considering you have disclosed paid editing on the topic. Let when know when this has been done, and upon completion, I'd be happy to accept the article. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 22:40, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, from the awards section, remove entries that were won by the Costa Group instead of Simon Costa. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 22:50, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @GMH Melbourne thank you for your feedback. I have gone ahead and added the new citation you provided and removed all the awards that appeared to be for his company, rather than him personally. I have already written all content in a neutral tone, but feel free to revise anything that you feel does not sound neutral. Grdude (talk) 00:11, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Grdude: Thank you, the article is now positioned much better for AfC. I'll try and get to reviewing it tomorrow, but hopefully someone will review it in the meantime. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:12, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

About the ongoing Nepalese vs Nepali edit war
Hey, I saw you reverted an edit related to this, so I thought that just for your information, that you may be interested in a WikiProject discussion regarding this at WT:NEPAL. Thanks, Fork99 (talk) 20:30, 30 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Fork99: Thank you for letting me know, I don't have an opinion on wether it should be "Nepali" or "Nepalese", i just think body text in the article should be consistent with the article title. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 23:30, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

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Kunming-Montreal Global Biodiversity Framework
I think the source was flagged in error as it is the original Convention on Biological Diversity website, and is relevant to the 23 targets information provided on the page. Please can you restore the edit. Ellylee11 (talk) 12:35, 30 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ellylee11: I reverted the edit as you used a external link rather than an inline citation. See Help:Referencing for beginners on more info on how to include a reference. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 12:38, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. I intended to include the information as an external link rather than an inline citation. The existing external link stems from the same website I cited and states each individual decision made during the conference, however, what I wish to include is a comprehensive breakdown of the 23 targets. It includes deeper information about why these targets are important, what indicators will be used to measure progress, and I further believe this link to be organized through a more accessible manner. Ellylee11 (talk) 14:56, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ellylee11: That goes against wikipedia's Manual of Style I suggest including the link as an inline citation and then linking the website in the 'External links' section of the article. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 23:32, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I've fixed that text on that page so 's edits are kept instead of being blanket-reverted for not using inline citation for referencing. OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @OhanaUnited: Thank you! ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 22:06, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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Draft:Lindsay Mollison
Thanks GMH Melbourne for your feedback Do you suggest the tone needs to be altered at this stage? Thanks Virgobeach Virgobeach (talk) 06:32, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Virgobeach: I meant more so that there is content in the article that is trivial and comes across as promotional. For example–
 * phrases like do not come across as neutral
 * Unsourced, trivial information like:
 * The phrase goes against WP:Peacock
 * It is often helpful to find a good quality article of another person that is on wikipedia and follow the same tone. I have marked the article as under review, I suggest going over the entire article and making sure this issue is fixed and the article should then be ready to be published.
 * As it is a biography of a living person try to end each paragraph with a inline citation for verification purposes. Also if you know the subject of the article in perosn, be sure to disclose a Conflict of Interest per wikipedia policy. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 06:58, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much  GMH_Melbourne
 * yes I see what you mean. I just tried to alter it but the draft was noted to be "under review"  and the text advised NOT to edit it.   But when I look at the history (as suggested) it links back to you.
 * Is it ok to make changes despite that?
 * Virgobeach Virgobeach (talk) 09:32, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Virgobeach: Yes, I unmarked it as under review ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 10:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So is it ok to continue editing it please?
 * Thanks Virgobeach Virgobeach (talk) 11:54, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Virgobeach: Yes ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 11:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * HI GMH  I think you moved this page into (or set it as) my own "user page" as well somehow.  When I try to delete it from  there it also deletes the actual article from wiki
 * How can I fix this please?
 * Thanks Virgobeach Virgobeach (talk) 05:10, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

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People from the Colony of Victoria
Thankyou for proposing to rename the category to People from the Colony of Victoria. I think that is a much better name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I appreciate it. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 12:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * Happy to be useful. Thanks for writing the article and improving Wikipedia. Is this your first GA? If so, congrats! —Ganesha811 (talk) 14:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes it was, thank you! ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 14:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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Ged Kearney
Thank you so much! It was a huge pleasure working with you on this article, your diligence and attention to detail were exceptional. All of your contributions helped enormously to get this article to a good standard.

If you’re interested, I’m working on getting Monique Ryan to Good Article next, if you’d like to work on that with me :) no pressure of course!

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 * @GraziePrego: My pleasure, I am glad that I was a of help. I am more than happy to help out on Monique Ryan's article, I will do what I can over the next few days. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Alphington Paper Mill

 * @Baffle gab1978: Thank you so much for your help. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 04:00, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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