User talk:GPIP

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Speedy deletion of "Grupo Paulista de Investigacao Paranormal"
A page you created, Grupo Paulista de Investigacao Paranormal, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it is about a real person\, group of people\, band\, club\, company\, organisation\, or web content\, but does not indicate why its subject is important or significant.

You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.

Thank you. Petrb (talk) 12:06, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

GPIP (talk) 12:31, 22 January 2015 (UTC)GPIP

So, what can I do, to leave the page? The reason I ask, is because, GPIP is a research group, pioneers in south america, and we were invited by TV shows, so we´re kind of famous in Brazil. One of the TV shows I, Luiz David Appeared is here : http://entretenimento.r7.com/domingo-show/videos/o-misterio-das-aparicoes-imagem-de-filha-morta-surge-em-ultrassom-sera-verdade-04082014 - This is a very big TV broadcaster, and the TV show appeared on sunday. The other invitation I received was from Poland. Plus, there´s no such a group like us here in Brazil, non-profitable. Also, there´s a project to publish the experiences we had, in a book format, possibly in english. And another factor, Brazil has a large number of spiritism followers (Kardecists), so, basically every week I have somebody knocking on my door, for references, help, curiosity and everything else. One of the cases, I had to help a girl, that said sometimes was possessed by a demon (where I spent many time advising her), so, this is the type of help I offer for free, and I´d like to have published and publicly known. Sorry, long explanation.


 * I'm not at all sure what help you are asking for. Perhaps you can repeat the request, this time saying "please do xxx and yyy." The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 18:01, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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 * Am I allowed to make these edits if I change my username?


 * What can I do now?

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Hi, so, in this way please delete the topic Study of Specters, since my contribution is not needed here. GPIP is helping to advance the research and study on the field, and we are corrrecting terminologies or completing them. If the GPIP name can not appear, there´s no sense to contribute in other content on wikipedia. Actually after the deletion of Study of Specters article you can delete my user. Thanks. GPIP (talk) 15:43, 22 January 2015 (UTC)GPIP ✅

Proposed deletion of Study of Specters
Hello, GPIP. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, Study of Specters, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:


 * 1) edit the page
 * 2) remove the text that looks like this:
 * 3) save the page

Also, be sure to explain why you think the article should be kept in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. If you don't do so, it may be deleted later anyway.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. TheLongTone (talk) 15:41, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi, so, in this way please delete the topic Study of Specters, since my contribution is not needed here. GPIP is helping to advance the research and study on the field, and we are corrrecting terminologies or completing them. FYI, I´m a parapsychologist certified, and active contributor in south america, between other groups, also, if the GPIP name can not appear, there´s no sense to contribute in other content on wikipedia. Actually after the deletion of Study of Specters article you can delete my user GPIP. Thanks. GPIP (talk) 15:48, 22 January 2015 (UTC)GPIP

GPIP, I think you may be a little confused about what we do here. This is an encyclopedia, not a directory and not a place to publicize a group, no matter how worthy (or unusual) it is. Therefore, we only have articles on groups that have already been covered at length by several others, which is the main way we define notability. (An alternative would be if your group had won a major award: see this page for a fuller list - it applies to both for-profit and non-profit groups.) And because the encyclopedia is neutral and not advertising, we can't allow user names that are names of groups, either, which is why you're blocked. That page is probably going to be deleted, because you have not provided any references other than the dictionary to show that it is a widespread term. But more importantly, since you have said above that the group is well known in Brazil, if you can find two or three newspaper or magazine articles and/or tv show segments about the group, why don't you create the article on the Portuguese Wikipedia? (Here is its main page.) I don't see any edits by you there. I expect they will also require you to change your name, but you would probably find it easier to demonstrate notability - as Wikipedia defines it - over there. We don't delete user accounts - it's not actually possible - and I'd rather see you return here and change your name after you've become more familiar with working on the encyclopedia. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:57, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

You should demonstrate more ability to be educated, and not be judge and executor as you are being. I tried to follow the directives as suggested, and was open to talk about. Suddenly my user is blocked. I don´t have problem with that, you guys have. It´s not the first time I see this attitude here. I´m not looking for advertisement, never looked, your statement is outrageous and unrespectful. Your suggestion to make an article in portuguese is racist. Be aware that I already published other stuff in english, with other content here, and you guys never removed. Actually you endorsed. I really appreciate if you guys can delete my user. Don´t tell me you can´t, because it´s a lie. GPIP (talk) 18:25, 22 January 2015 (UTC)GPIP
 * Someone spends some time and trouble writing you a message that tries to be helpful, explaining to you why Wikipedia is not suitable for what you are trying to do, and even taking the trouble to suggest alternatives, and that attack is the response you make? If I see one more personal attack from you then I shall remove your talk page access. As for your accusation that it is a lie that we can't delete a user account, well, I have been a Wikipedia administrator for a little more than four and a half years, and I have always been under the impression that the Wikimedia software has no facility for deleting accounts. However, since you know better than me, perhaps you can tell me how to do it. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:18, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

James, there are areas where I´m skilled, and I can say one or two things. There´s no system in the world where is not possible to delete a user. I can say, because I work with Information Technology, more sepcifically with Web development since 1992. After 22 years, I know the things. Maybe you don´t have access for that what is understandable, so no worries. Second, your colleague suggest to write articles in portuguese, what is a form of racism. Sorry, but it is. Everybody knows, at least who has a master in sciences, or a doctorate, that english writing is more important than writing in native language. The impression that I had when I read the message was "keep this word, spectrology, only in in your country". Third and last point, never, never, NEVER was my intent to advertise. Again, I was totally opened to do changes, even delete and everything else you guys could Advise. If you check the log, I got the first advise, checked the wikipedia references, and tried to update the page, with TV references, where we appeared, and left the page for another review. Then your colleague Mr. Yngvadottir blocked my user. Why to block if I was opened to do the right thing? Really? Are you guys serious? Wikipedia became such a deception, I really want to give up have nothing to do it anymore. What became with a constructive dialog with the first message, became a dictature. So, don´t waste your time anymore with me, even because I give up and agree to delete both pages, even knowing that probably in some years, the word spectrology can be inserted by somebody. By the way delete the word and page "Mugel" in english wikipedia, because also belongs to me, user Kenereth. Or perhaps not, because it´s so many time had passed, and endorse and by so many people, that maybe is better to leave as it is. And note that I´m not archeologist or even history teacher. Parapsychologist, I am, with a diploma, and I was on TV. That´s the life.... guys, I could spend many time with this arguments, let´s do the following, delete everything and let´s forget this things. Doesn´t worth the value. Each one has his own opinion, and you´re the wikipedia administrators, no matter what I say, doesn´t change nothing. James, take your time and think why you can´t delete user accounts. I can´t tell you how to do it, this was a tricky question. This question you need to make to your manager. Everything relies on reliability, is a IT security rule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.62.118.5 (talk) 21:32, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * So you are also ? What happened, did you forget your password? And do you have any other accounts?


 * I am also an administrator, so I took a look at Grupo Paulista de Investigacao Paranormal, and I'm afraid it bears out my contention that you are unaware of what kinds of sources we require to demonstrate notability. The two sources in the article are the group itself and the TV appearance by Luiz David Szilagyi. These are not independent of the subject. As stated above, you would need multiple independent sources. That was the thrust of my suggestion that you create the article on the Portuguese-language Wikipedia, since there are obviously more editors there who could help you find additional sources. I have also looked at Mugel, since you mentioned it, and it relies on a single source. While that article is not likely to be deleted - rulers are presumed notable - the sourcing is not adequate. And Study of Specters is a dictionary definition - a type of article we do not normally accept - and is sourced only to dictionary entries.


 * I regret triggering your bias regarding languages, and will leave you to the resulting definition of racism, which I obviously do not share. Similarly, I regret to have to inform you that and I are neither lying nor ignorant about the infeasibility of deleting user accounts on this database. I have blocked the IP with which you edited in defiance of your block.


 * The statements above: "So, what can I do, to leave the page? ... this is the type of help I offer for free, and I´d like to have published and publicly known." and "if the GPIP name can not appear, there´s no sense to contribute in other content on wikipedia" constitute a desire to promote Grupo Paulista de Investigacao Paranormal, including via your user name ... or have you changed your mind on that? If so, you are welcome to post an unblock request in order to have this account renamed and to edit non-promotionally. I want to make it very clear to you that that option remains open to you. However, editing solely to make this group known - despite its being nonprofit - and using its initials as your user name are not acceptable. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:25, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) To refer to the suggestion that you write in Portuguese as "racist" is absurd. I have considerable difficulty trying to understand much of what you write, and while it is obviously not for me to say what Yngvadottir had in mind, I think it may well be that she was trying to be helpful, by suggesting you write in a language in which you are competent.
 * 2) Obviously it is physically possible for technicians to remove any content at all from the Wikimedia foundation's servers, but there is no software facility provided for deleting accounts, and Wikipedia administrators are not able to do so. That is a deliberate policy, not some sort of oversight. There are very good reasons why we need to keep records of all accounts, because sometimes editors come back with other accounts, and there are situations in which it is essential to be able to refer to records of their earlier accounts.
 * 3) I don't know what Yngvadottir's real name is, but I know enough about Icelandic to know that Yngvadottir is a female name, so I tend to assume that she is female. I do know that Yngvadottir is not actually Icelandic, though, and I do know of another male Wikipedia editor who uses a female username, so of course your "Mr. Yngvadottir" may be correct.
 * 4) Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information on just anything, and it requires topics of articles to satisfy certain notability guidelines. Neither "Study of Specters" nor Grupo Paulista de Investigacao Paranormal satisfies them. I can well understand how disappointing it must be, when you have taken the trouble to write a brief article about your group, to see your work deleted. However, it is a pity that you have been so angered by that experience. If you manage to overcome your annoyance, and decide you are willing to come back and contribute to the encyclopaedia, you are free to request an unblock, as explained above. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:42, 23 January 2015 (UTC)