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tnx
For looking further than a single word in the "Montenegro"-business. I was a bit revert-happy I guess... L.tak (talk) 14:18, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome; we're all in this together!--Gaarmyvet (talk) 18:28, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I saw your question about sinebot
As per WP:SIG, you're not permitted to transclude your signature using a template. If SineBot doesn't see 4 tildes, it will add the signature. Please ensure that you stop using a template as a signature. Let me know if you need help doing this dangerous  panda  11:40, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note. I decided to crash in and do the fixes myself and I think I've got it right.  I've flagged the two pages previously used in my signature for speedy deletion.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  14:53, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Whoops!

Thanks, ♠♥♣Shaun9876♠♥♣  Talk Email 00:46, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Meehan III
Saw your proposed deletion of Thomas_Meehan_III and, while my initial reaction would be to oppose such a move, I wanted to reach out to you directly and see what your ultimate concern is and why you'd propose deletion rather than trying to build-out the article...Azx2 21:07, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * What is it that you want to add? He joined, he was placed in command and he was killed before he could put his boots on the ground in enemy territory. Regardless of what you wrote at Talk:Thomas Meehan III#Non-notability and deletion, that is not disdainful; it is simply true. As far as his portrayal in the miniseries, there is no historical record of which I am aware of his and Winters's conversation in which they conclude that they are going to jump into Normandy; this was probably a scene constructed by the screenwriters to display Winters's acumen. He probably did notify his troopers that they would not be jumping on the night of 4-5 June. I am, however, looking forward to your improvement of the article.-- Jim in Georgia Contribs  Talk  21:58, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Energia Vulkan dispute
Can you please tell me why have you taken into account my edit of Energia Vulkan rocket as disruptive? It is clear that this configuration of Energia rocket has never been built. I do not understand why are you blocking the improvement of Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.193.59 (talk) 21:28, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Apology
I´m truly sorry for deleting a content from your user page. There is not a reference that says "...never built...", but it can be concluded because there is no any image of Vulkan configuration, all sources say that that project was cancelled, and all sources say that "a large amount of project documentation was created, but work on this project was cancelled.". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.193.59 (talk) 22:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Vulkan
Ok, my mistake. As I said, it is clear that Vulkan configuration has never been constructed (built) because the project was cancelled. So, I just don´t understand why should I confirm this sentence with references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.193.59 (talk) 22:48, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help
Hi Jim, Thanks for note on Talk:Sunburst (film) and for your note at WP:FALSEPOS. I appreciate the help. Thanks. 64.40.57.72 (talk) 06:39, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * My pleasure, User names work!-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  13:52, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback deployment
Hey Gaarmyvet; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Hey, there! I've seen you participating in numerous miscellany for deletion discussions and just thought I'd thank you for your contributions. Keep up the great work! T C  N7 JM  02:56, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * My pleasure.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  12:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Silver Star
Hi-

Yes, i looked at the Obit and saw the Silver Star listed for Norman Dike, however, I was completely unable to find any other supporting evidence, and no other sources. I concluded the Obit was simply incorrect. There was other info about his BSMs, including a citation and an explanation, but nothing about a Silver Star. A Silver Star is a pretty big deal, so there would be more information about that than a BSM. I'm pretty sure a child, grandchild or friend of the family probably just mentioned it to a reporter, or perhaps even the obit reporter simply wrote it wrong. It's not a huge deal to me, and I won't change it again, but I really feel that it cheapens such an honor for those that really deserved it by making unsubstantiated claims.

Caesarmatty — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caesarmatty (talk • contribs) 11:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Identifying reliable sources revision
Hi Gaarmyvet, other than you've been a WP editor since 2010 and in consideration that I know nothing about you that isn't included on your user page, would you mind offering something more definable or concrete than your "humble opinion" for your revision? As you indicated in your edit summary, it's been owned by Amazon since 1998, IMO I don't see how they benefit from a site consisting of unreliable information. By the way, I realize that you're not alone in your opinion, but its one that has been perpetuated by those who are unaware of the existance or use of fact checkers in the media and throughout the Entertainment industry. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 04:57, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

ROAD
Moved all the actual relevant material years ago to History of the United States Army, but because my principle purpose today was adding to the 197th Infantry Brigade (United States), I didn't actually look up the correct subheader in HotUSA. Should be fixed now. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 00:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Stockton Beach
Thanks for this edit. I've had no end of trouble with this editor removing citations just because they're dead (but fixable), as well as adding OR, removing valid cited content etc. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 23:15, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Creatures of Grimm
hi there,

thanks for the v/w.

but did you actually mean to undo all of the changes i made? if so, that's alright. but if not, is it okay if i redo them and correct the voge -> woge in addition to that? --Salanola Ortoluron (talk) 21:49, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I probably overdid it when I reverted.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  23:11, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

No problem, i'll just redo it and change the voge. --Salanola Ortoluron (talk) 12:27, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Miscellany for deletion/Pmomentum
Thanks for participating to this discussion! Please note that I have added additional pages to the nomination, my edit conflicted with your delete all comment, so you might want to clarify if your vote is still valid/extends to the other pages. jni (delete)...just not interested 16:28, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Dude - give the world a chance to catch up and provide a reference
Sheesh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.1.60.39 (talk) 18:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Queen Elizabeth II revert
Hello. I assume you are very involved in the Queen Elizabeth I wiki article which is why you reverted me. This does not change the fact that, "Elizabeth set out to rule by good counsel, and she depended heavily on a group of trusted advisers led by William Cecil, Baron Burghley." is not a grammatical sentence. I did not change the wikilink that was included but merely the way the text appeared, so that it would read William Cecil AND Baron Burghley. And while we are on the subject, there was nothing about my edit that was a "test", I have been editing Wikipedia since 2005, I am not "testing" anything. FourTildes (talk) 01:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * See William Cecil, 1st Baron Burghley William Cecil was Baron Burghley.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  01:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your quick reply. If it had read William Cecil, the Baron Burghley, I wouldn't have thought anything of it, but maybe that is not how such titles are usually written when both names are used. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'll be more careful in future. By the way, the usual protocol is that you reply to my Talk page so I don't have to come to your page to see if you've replied. I only checked back here on a whim to see if you'd already replied. FourTildes (talk) 05:31, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Kenneth Raymond Fleenor
Along the lines of what you also have been doing, I ran across this former Vietnam POW, Brigadier General and all-around community do-gooder while working on a DYK article for something at Randolph AFB. I figured he deserved his own article, so I created one. Feel free to edit if you run across anything else on him. I find more about how everybody liked him as a person than his military background. — Maile (talk) 22:07, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I will poke around and see what I can find. It's harder to get archival stuff on Vietnam era vets, of course.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  22:20, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Added some medals. I'm unfamiliar with the image naming conventions. I'll work on it tomorrow.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  01:26, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing the awards. Now I know how to do than. I have a picture of Fleenor from his official USAF bio. Sadly, no photo credit on the page although I know in my heart that it's an official photo. Those things have a certain "look" to them. -- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  17:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Kenneth Raymond Fleenor
The DYK project (nominate) 10:52, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

This is a question to Jim in Georgia. I hope this is the right way to ask. If not, apologies.
I received a message from you that said you viewed an edit I had made as "destructive."

I only made one edit (at least only one intentional edit) recently, which was to delete the reference to Mesoamerica from an introductory sentence in an article about Cuba (I'm not sure right now if it was Cuba or Cuban history, because googling to find the article, both came up, and I see both contain virtually identical sentences. It said (and says again)"The island of Cuba was inhabited by numerous Mesoamerican tribes prior to the landing of Italian explorer Christopher Columbus in 1492, who claimed it for the Kingdom of Spain." (This is from the main Cuba article version).

I deleted the reference to Mesoamerica because it is wrong: Cuba is neither part of Mesoamerica [see the Wikipedia entry on Mesoamerica: "Mesoamerica is a region and cultural area in the Americas, extending approximately from central Mexico to Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, and northern Costa Rica, within which a number of pre-Columbian societies flourished before the Spanish colonization of the Americas in the 15th and 16th centuries.[1][2] It is one of six areas in the world where ancient civilization arose independently, and the second in the Americas after Norte Chico (Caral-Supe) in present-day northern coastal Peru."] nor was that the dominant origin of the pre-Colombian Cuban natives, as far as is known.

I apologize for not citing sources as I thought the need for the edit was self-evident from the corresponding section of the article which, although very summary and general, makes clear these were not Mesoamerican tribes but primarily Arawak.

The primary source for what is known about these people are the accounts of Spanish colonizers, and especially Bartolome de las Casas, a priest of the Dominican order.

There were three different indigenous peoples or cultures in Cuba when Columbus arrived. The smallest and oldest are called in Spanish "guanajatabeyes." Their origin is unknown, and nothing is preserved of their language, except the word used for their name. At the time of Columbus, they had been been pushed by the Siboney (Western Taíno) population to the extreme western end of the Island, Pinar del Río, especially the swamplands and keys of the southern coast.

The Siboney or Western Taínos lived at the tip of the Southwestern peninsula of Haiti and in most of Cuba.

The Classical Taínos were the most recent arrivals and Bartolomé de las Casas says they had a more advanced culture.

The Taíno groups originated in South America, the region of Venezuela around the mouth of the Orinoco River, and spoke Arawak languages. They gradually expanded up the Caribbean island chain, assimilating or displacing earlier inhabitants.

There is evidence of trade and some Mayan influence in the Siboney culture, but this indigenous group was definitely NOT Mesoamerican.

Unfortunately some of the related English-language Wikipedia articles are not very helpful, but the ones in Spanish are pretty consistent and much more extensive and detailed, for example:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siboney

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C3%ADno (not sure why that URL copied like that: in my web address the word after the last slash is Taíno.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenguas_arahuacas

Also useful are the (Spanish) articles, "Cuba," "Historia de Cuba," and "Aborigenes Cubanos."

The Cuban online wikipedia-style encyclopedia, EcuRed.cu, also has extensive material.



The only other thing I did recently was not an edit but a comment; however, your message referred specifically to "unconstructive edits" that amount to "vandalism."

I you continue to believe the edits were "unconstructive" and "vandalism," I'd appreciate if you would explain why. If not, I will make the edit and remove the Mesoamerican reference from both the Cuba and History of Cuba articles.

Again, apologies of this is not the right way to communicate this concern; I am not familiar with the internal workings of wikipedia and a help page suggested this was best. jgperez Jgperez (talk) 19:42, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Editors much more experienced than I will quoter one of Wikipedia's catch phrases: It's not about truth; it's about verifiability. If MesoAmerica is wrong -- and I don't doubt your word -- give us a reference that other people can look up. That will make everyone happy. Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  20:13, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for the back-up
3RR doesn't really apply with vandalism, though; we can revert as much as we need to. Good thing I don't have anything better to do tonight. :) AIV is running a lot slower than the last time I did this sort of thing. Evan (talk&#124;contribs) 02:24, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That's good to know. I was just trying to think of something intelligence to type!-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  02:25, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * We made it.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  02:36, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * We did! Thanks again for your help. And, since my indelible American-ness won't let me avoid saying it when the opportunity presents itself, thank you for your service, sir! Evan (talk&#124;contribs) 02:45, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

George Patton - Wilcox
In the article George S. Patton, I used the Wilcox source only to attribute Patton's quote, "How awful war is. Think of the waste." I didn't make a section that talked about the book itself and its views. Would that be fine? Llightex (talk) 01:41, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem, I think from reading the archived discussion, is with Wilcox's reliability. We'd probably be better off asking other editors if there's another source for the quote.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  01:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I added a "CN" tag to the quote.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  23:05, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Omar Bradley
You reverted my correction of "nine" to "eight" in the last sentence of the introduction to the Wikipedia article, Omar Bradley. Please correct the Wikipedia article, General of the Army (United States), which lists only eight. Either the Omar Bradley article is incorrect, or the General of the Army article is incorrect. They cannot both be right as they disagree as to the number of men to have ever held this rank. You obviously feel the Bradley article is correct. I do not know enough to decide, but the General of the Army article has more detail, unlike the Bradley article which just states the bare fact without a citation. All the best, Nick Beeson (talk) 15:51, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. General of the Army (United States) lists nine:
 * George Marshall, USA
 * Douglas MacArthur, USA
 * Dwight D. Eisenhower, USA
 * Henry H. "Hap" Arnold, USA
 * Omar Bradley, USA
 * William D. Leahy, USN
 * Ernest J. King, USN
 * Chester W. Nimitz, USN
 * William F. Halsey, Jr., USN
 * -- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  18:08, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Main Page News pic
Yeah big improvement. Slight Smile  20:55, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

List of capitals
At List of capitals in the United States I have wrestled with several edits trying to correct factual errors, eliminate blue-out from over linking, and moderate provocative phrasing. I added American Civil War links, though the last two paragraphs are a sort of history of the Confederacy which other sections do not have, as it is a list article. Much of the confusion of the previous write-up could be solved by reading into the article Confederate States of America. A lead editor there is Rjensen User:Rjensen, who was a professor of history at West Point, among other accomplishments. Thanks for your encouragement; I'd appreciate you taking a look at the progress to date at List of capitals. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Will do. I watch the page mostly because it seems to be a target for vandalism, but I'll check the improvements.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  12:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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Persian, Arab and islamic vs Middle Eastern
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List of capitals in the United States
Hi Gaarmy vet. It seems like 33 is actually the right number here. According to the history, Cluebot reverted the wrong person. 33 was the number before the edits today, and it appears to be correct. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 01:20, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
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Swarming vs. Rushing (Battle of the Alamo)
Hi Gaarmyvet, thanks for your edit! A question: doesn't "swarming" make you think about insects? I don't think it fits in with the subject matter (military battle) and it's actually distracting (to me), since these are soldiers who are risking their lives to defend their country. I don't think the prose here should be "cute" or "snappy"--or overly creative, I guess is what I'm trying to say--just direct and to the point because I don't want to dehumanize them--on either side. I could be wrong, though... Here's the sentence again: "At his challenge, his men began swarming up the wall. Amador opened the postern in the north wall, allowing Mexican soldiers to pour into the complex." I also have a problem with "pour". Makes me think of like pouring milk from a carton or some other breakfast drink. It distracts me from the serious matter at hand... I could be wrong...What do I know? But what do you think about replacing "pour" with "stream?" MiztuhX (talk) 23:44, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No, swarming can be applied to large groups. Saying it applies to insects is a very limited application of the word.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  23:47, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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McQueen
The last paragraph on Personal Life covers his conversion to Evangelicalism and is reliably sourced. Kindzmarauli (talk) 14:56, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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 * Did you read the new page box?-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  20:53, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Garlin Murl Conner
Jim,

Thank you. I understand your reasoning.

My thinking/logic is as follows. I based the 10 campaign credits on the information contained in the various references in the endnotes when juxtaposed against the data in DA Pamphlet 672-1 for the 7th Infantry Regiment. Various sources indicate he had 28 or 29 months/over 800 days combat zone service all of which was with the 7th Infantry Regiment. One source indicates his combat service began on 8 November 1942 in North Africa. Adding 28 or 29 months to that, we arrive at April or May 1945 which puts him within the timeframe for all 10 campaign credits awarded to the 7th Infantry Regiment. Absent a copy of his DD Form 214 (or equivalent) discharge paperwork, we're left to work off of second hand information about his combat service.

That said, do we know the eight specific campaigns for which he is currently credited on his Wiki page?

Regards,

Shade Ruff (talk) 22:59, 8 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shade Ruff (talk • contribs) 16:25, 7 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia calls that WP:SYNTHESIS if we try to put facts together and draw conclusions. We are, after all, a bunch of amateurs. What we need is a reliable reference that has had access to the official record, like Conner's DD Form 214. There's a lot of information on the page that;'s beginning to sound a little flaky. Conner's grave marker, frex, only indicates three Purple Hearts and NO Bronze Stars. A lot of the "facts" are based on the book by Randal Baxter, published by AuthorHouse, a vanity publisher. BTW, Baxter says Conner was in seven campaigns. This article, I think, is a more scholarly approach, but I can't get past the first page. I have asked a librarian friend to work on it for me. I recommend that you take a look at the awards section on some of the other military pages (Patton and Bradley are good starts). Regards, -- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  16:45, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Garlin Murl Conner
Jim,

Thank you. I agree with the premise that hard evidence should drive the entries.

In the two wartime images of Conner I've seen, the service ribbon for the Bronze Star Medal is present. No oak leaf clusters are visible although it's possible a V device is present on one of the two images - the image where LTG Alexander M. Patch is presenting him his DSC - it's difficult to discern.

As for the "V" device for his Bronze Star awards, I again was operating under the firm belief that one or more of his four Bronze Star awards was/were for heroism (as opposed to meritorious service) given what we know of his combat record. The Army authorized the V device in 1944 concurrent with the Bronze Star Medal. Copies of the orders awarding him his Bronze Stars will note the reason for the award i.e., "heroic achievement" or "meritorious service." If any of his Bronze Star awards are for heroism, the V device is authorized.

As a retired Army officer, I can tell you that many times the DD Form 214 will not include everything the veteran is entitled to/earned. As an example, I just received my late cousin's DD Form 214 (Vietnam service). It listed the Vietnam Service Medal but did not include the five campaign credits he was authorized. Also missing were two Meritorious Unit Commendations he earned while with his unit. Some of this is explained by the fact that oftentimes awards were not approved/authorized until after the veteran had ETSed or were simply overlooked in the haste to demobilize/separate the soldier.

Regards,

Shade Ruff (talk) 22:59, 8 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shade Ruff (talk • contribs) 18:11, 7 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree that 214s can be a little problematic. I'm a CW4 (Ret), btw; it's good to know I can use some shorthand from time to time. The lists Conner's DSC and SS w/ 3OLC but not the BSs. That doesn't mean that the work is 100% right, but I'm impressed with the amount of effort put into it. Have you scanned through this: ? Heitman won't do us any good here but it, too, is impressive. All in all, there's just too much stuff about Conner that comes off the Internet. Later, I'll be out of the net for a few hours.--  Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  19:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Chief/Jim,

It's great to learn retired military like yourself are part of the Wikipedia editorial team. I agree with your take ref the somewhat shaky provenance associated with 1st Lt. Conner's page. We can only hope the process pushing his MH recommendation forward will result in firm intel regarding his awards and decs. As an example, the French Croix de Guerre is always awarded with a device attached (e.g., bronze, silver or gold star or bronze palm) to the medal's suspension ribbon indicating at which level the awardee was cited e.g., division, corps, army etc.. Unfortunately, we don't yet have that level of clarity for him. Audie Murphy's multiple Croix de Guerre awards are a good case in point of how Conner's Croix could/should be.

F.Y.I. I reached out to one of Conner's relatives who is a SFC in the U.S. Army Reserve. No guarantee I'll hear back from him, but if I do I'll let you know. I asked him whether he has any documentation regarding Conner's BSMs and whether any of them were for heroism - this ref a possible "V" device. I also asked whether he had access to any documentation regarding Conner's campaign credits. Absent that, I asked whether he could provide Conner's depart CONUS as well as return to CONUS dates to assist us in establishing Conner's campaign credits/true OCONUS timeline. As you know, the best we have at the moment is "28 or 29 months/over 800 days." In WWII, the foreign service clock commenced once you pushed away from the dock on the east coast and ended once you returned to port in CONUS.

No, I'm unfamiliar with the reference you cited. Thank you for the lead.

Regards,

Shade Ruff (talk) 22:59, 8 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shade Ruff (talk • contribs) 19:09, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I find myself a little unclear about whether the BS originally came in two flavors or if the the medal for service (sometimes a "thanks fer comin'" medal) came along later.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  20:18, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Jim,

From its establishment on 4 February 1944, the BSM could be awarded for either heroic achievement (V device) or meritorious service. See this DA GO from 1947 that includes examples of each for WWII-cited actions:  http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/go4702.pdf

As an example, one of Audie Murphy's two wartime BSMs was for heroic achievement (V device).

Regards,

Shade Ruff (talk) 22:59, 8 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shade Ruff (talk • contribs) 21:14, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hello, I was wondering why you removed the inclusion of "Announcers, Voice of the Old Guard" from the page. I am currently serving in this position and I can provide proof upon request of its authenticity. Just recently, the Current RSM made the decision to treat the Voice of the Old Guard/announcers as a specialty platoon on par with the Tomb Sentinels, Drill Team, and CCG. Considering that we have reached this position, I believe this information is relevant and important to the article. Thank you for your time and consideration. If you have any questions please feel free to ask. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VOTOG-2 (talk • contribs) 14:43, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I removed it because, basically, you don't get to write about yourself and because you didn't cite any kind of reference. I'm not sure that the position of "announcer" qualifies as notable.--  Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  14:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

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