User talk:Gabbe/Archive 1

First edits
HI =)

Still no user page. So i'll start one for you. Welcome. Mintguy 17:12 Dec 8, 2002 (UTC)

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Thanks, Gabbe, for helping me with the International Calling Codes on the country pages!! I was going through alphabetically through the countries, and I suddenly came across one already done!! It was a shock to see that I wasn't the only person doing it. Thanks! - User:Mark Ryan

Check out the death date of Gustave Eiffel. I show Dec. 27...DW
 * I kinda do that a bit mechanically I guess, and often go by the first couple of dates I find on google. You are probably correct. --Gabbe 02:06 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)

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Try to differentiate between vandalism and noobism. Vera Cruz OK, the formal definition of "noobism" being? -Gabbe like when the poor little noobs arrive and say things like "Do you know? Cuz I don't." Vera Cruz

Oy, Gabbe! Yes you. The AS futhorc has (at least) 33 runes as opposed to the Norse 24 (reduced later to 16). I would say that a difference of of at least 9 runes or approximately 33% is a big difference.... user:sjc

Hi, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to restore the Lorenzo de' Medici page to using the short names for those artists. Everyone knows them by the short names anyway, and it makes the sentence crisper. I've gone through and made sure that redirects to the full article exist for all of them. Noel 17:59, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Graal
Could you reference your assertion that the Holy Graal at Valencia is acknowledged as the true one by the Cahtolic church? --Error 05:15, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Bibles
Thanks for your work in Category:Bibles! Quadell (talk) 16:26, Jun 9, 2004 (UTC)

Popes
Thank you for your help on alphabetizing the popes, and on using the template on them. --denny vrande&#269;i&#263; 22:37, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)

curious
Hi, there! I'm not disputing it, just curious how you figured out that l'Église de la Madeleine was based on the Panthéon, Paris rather than the Pantheon, Rome? I tried to search it on the Internet but couldn't figure out a way. = Nunh-huh 00:53, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Umm, I rather asumed it, to be honest. As I can't find any evidence corroborating my assumption, I'll revert it. Sorry 'bout that :) --Gabbe 01:10, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh. Too bad, I am curious. To me they all look alike! - Nunh-huh 01:11, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Your acknowledged political biases
Hello Gabbe,

You mention the rule of law but not habeas corpus. Is this intentional, an oversight, or neither? I've always found habeas corpus to be the single most important defined right in common law countries, one that should be promoted and exported to the rest of the world. HC and RoL are not quite the same. For instance I live in Japan, a rich liberal OECD country indeed governed by laws. Yet Japan has no provisions for writs of habeas corpus and police officers can pull anyone off the street for questioning. The police are not required to bring charges against a suspect until he or she has been held for 23 days, the legally prescribed period.

Vincent :vfp15 01:14, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * To me it has always seemed that one of the most fundamental human right is freedom from unjust imprisonment. As such, police forces must always justify a detainee, otherwise his rights are neglected. Of course countries may not include this in their legislation (thus not upholding the right the people deserve), or it may be included as a basic right, albeit not called "habeas corpus". In my (civil law) country one cannot be detained for more than six hours without an arrest warrant, and even to be incarcerated for that time requires "probable cause", all of this protected by our constitution, but no where is "habeas corpus" mentioned. It could also be held to follow from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights articles 3, 10, 11, 12, and especially 9. I'm not fully aware of the system in Japan, but a "Human Rights Report" issued by the United States State Department this year states that in Japan:
 * Constitutional provisions for freedom from arbitrary arrest or imprisonment generally were respected in practice. The law provides for judicial determination of the legality of detention. Persons may not be detained without charge, and prosecuting authorities must be prepared to demonstrate before trial that probable cause exists to detain the accused. Under the law, a suspect may be held in detention at either a regular detention facility or "substitute" (police) detention facility for up to 72 hours. A judge must interview suspects prior to detention. A judge may extend preindictment custody by up to 2 consecutive 10-day periods based on a prosecutor's application. These extensions were sought and granted routinely. Under extraordinary circumstances, prosecutors may seek an additional 5-day extension, bringing the maximum period of preindictment custody to 28 days.
 * Which seems to me that the Japanese government respects what habeas corpus is all about. I might misunderstand, and the US departement may be biased, of course. As for whether the omission was intentional or not..., well, I never claimed my list of biases was exhaustive. Of course there are rights and "good" principles which I can't enumerate. &mdash;Gabbe 17:17, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * Seems I was a little off the mark. You're correct in pointing out that police cannot de jure act at their discretion, but there is de facto collusion between the police, prosecutors, and judges resulting in police officers being able to hold suspects for 23 days. During this time, they usually get the subject to sign a confession and to undergo interrogation by prosecutors, with no legal counsel present. For cases that go to court, there is suspicious 99% conviction rate.


 * Interestingly, Japanese people are not unaware of the problem, and there are judicial reforms underway. The system seems to survive because it delivers order (as opposed to law) and the police try hard not to appear unreasonable. Compared to police officers in other countries, I've found Japanese officers polite and helpful and people regularly stop by police box to ask directions. :vfp15 05:44, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I withdraw my objections to your edit of the Royal Stuarts article. I must have been feeling grumpy that day. Adam 16:13, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Request For Image Deletion
If I removed your request for an image deletion, I apologize because I was trying to readd my own request which was deleted by someone else. When I was writing the text I must have highlighted the wrong section which resulted in your request being deleted. Again I apologize for this mistake. Misterrick 19:10, 03 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * That's OK :) &mdash;Gabbe 18:16, Jul 3, 2004 (UTC)

Royal Naval College / Greenwich Hospital
Of course, what you've done there is point out two articles which really need to be combined into one! Hmm... Not really looking forward to doing that, but I'll give it a go. - MykReeve 17:06, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Hmm... or perhaps not, otherwise Palace of Placentia would have to go into the mix. Maybe I'll just do a clean-up on the articles, to make them interlink more obviously. - MykReeve 17:09, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Cheers for that... I hadn't realised there was an article on the Greenwich Hospital, I figured it would all be under Royal Naval College. I've shunted the chunks of history round between the various articles now, so hopefully they all make a bit more sense. - MykReeve 18:00, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for adding Elie Wiesel to the Buchenwald picture. I was not aware of this. Ellywa 08:10, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Category links
Hi Gabbe, I notice you are adding the names of philosophers to their respective category links for an extensive number of articles. While I appreciate the good work you are doing, I believe in most cases the entry shows up in the category list anyway, but just a day or two late in some cases, so please don't strain yourself unnecessarily! -- Simonides 07:14, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Umm, I do that so that they're sorted by their last name as opposed to their first names, and as far as I can tell that doesn't happen unless someone puts "|Lastname, Firstname" following the category name, right? &mdash;Gabbe 07:16, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * You're right, I didn't notice that earlier. I guess someone needs to fix the code so that all entries automatically get sorted by the last name. -- Simonides 07:21, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Soros Tivadar
You are right. Soros Tivadar is Hungarian, Teodoro &#348;varc is Esperanto. Teodoro Schwartz is a bit curious: Schwartz is definitely German, Teodoro, however, is Esperanto (the German form would be Theodor).

Furthermore, Soros is not the translation of Schwartz. In the period before WWI, it was common in Hungary for people with German-, Slavic- etc sounding family names to change it for a similar but more 'Hungarian'-sounding name as a step of declaration of their Hungarian cultural identity. Thus, Kohn would be changed to Kun, Maczák to Magyar etc. TS was probably born as Schwartz and changed his name to Soros.


 * Just like in that movie Sunshine, where they change their name from the Jewish/German sounding Sonnenschein to Sors? &mdash;Gabbe 16:35, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)


 * Exactly. Actually there was a dispute in my own family at that time whether our name should be changed but in the end my grandfather sticked to the original one. Fortunately, I would say:) --Tamas 20:54, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Edit attribution
Hi Gabbe. Your edits from 217.215.99.203 have now been reattributed to you. Regards  &mdash; Kate Turner | Talk 09:09, 2004 Sep 4 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!
Happy birthday, Gabbe! Best wishes. Whosyourjudas (talk) 00:15, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Tristan Tzara
Hi Gabbe - remember you asked a question about Tristan Tzara at Talk:Tristan Tzara a long while ago. Well, I've answered on that page, about what Tristan Tzara means in Romanian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.67.10 (talk • contribs)

Crime against humanity
As you altered Crime against humanity Hauge phrase, perhapse you could answer my question about it :-) --Philip Baird Shearer 12:28, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't know anything about that... &mdash;Gabbe 13:58, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started the Free the Rambot Articles Project which has the goals of getting users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to... using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) version 1.0 and 2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to the GFDL (which every contribution made to Wikipedia is licensed under), but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles (See the Multi-licensing Guide for more information). Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. So far over 90% of people who have responded have done this.
 * 1) ...all U.S. state, county, and city articles...
 * 2) ...all articles...


 * Nutshell: Wikipedia articles can be shared with any other GFDL project but open/free projects using the incompatible Creative Commons Licenses (e.g. WikiTravel) can't use our stuff and we can't use theirs. It is important to us that other free projects can use our stuff.  So we use their licenses too.

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the   template (or    for public domain) into their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:


 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace   with   . If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know at my talk page what you think. It's important to know, even if you choose to do anything so I don't keep asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk) 14:33, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

Peer succession templates
Just wanted to say thank you for all your work on the tedious task of converting the Peerage successions boxes to use the template. Thanks!

James F. (talk) 22:53, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Biographical Timelines
I find the timelines you have at the bottom of your user page to be most interesting. --StanZegel 02:40, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

German translations
Tnx for translating German text on Albert VI of Bavaria. If you have time, there are several more articles that I created/updated recently and could use similar touch (a friend send me the relevant materials but has no time to translate, and I don't know German :>): William V, Duke of Bavaria, Talk:Cecylia Renata, Talk:Maria Anna of Austria, Talk:Eleonore Gonzaga, Talk:Isabella Clara Eugenia and Talk:Cardinal-Infante Ferdinand.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:26, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, Gabriel !
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 08:01, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Guido von List article
I would like to challenge one statement made in the article on Guido von List, where it says he "believed in an international Jewish conspiracy who threatened the existence of the Aryan race." I am an Odinist and have been for 7 years. List was folkish yes but not anti-semitic, I think this is an unjust statement that is contributing to tarnishing the name of the most prominent runic revivalist of the 20th Century. Can this be changed? I think for more information on list you should look here: http://www.geocities.com/fnrswulf/welcomeguido.htm

He was folkish and proud of his people and their heritage but being this is a far cry from beiung racist or even Nazi as he died in 1919. I have studied his life for a long time, as has Edred Thorsson (Stephen Flower Phd.) and has translated the majority of his works and written about his life and we have not found anything "anti-semitic."

I truly hope that you can mamde a decent change to this article. If yo uneed any pictures of him then I recommend you look at this link of conversation as their are some VERY rare pictures here towards the end of the post, found no where else on the interent: http://odinist.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=920

Thank you. Fjorn.


 * I also believe that the statement you mentioned is a bit exagerated, it not outright false. What is true, however, is that some of his followers were anti-Semites. But anyway, it was not I who added that statement to the article, it's not "my" contribution in any way. If you feel like changing the article in any way, I have no objections. &mdash;Gabbe 08:59, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

Lee
Yes, my bad. Wrong Lee. Thanks. --Tagishsimon (talk)

P&#261;czki
No problem at all. Do you want me to prepare an .ogg pronounciation key as well? --Halibutt 19:38, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * Feel free to ask me for more IPA keys should you need them. Halibutt 19:51, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

Elie Wiesel
Hi Gabbe, I have source query. Can you point me to your source on Elie Wiesel being the man in the lower bunk in the photograph on the Buchenwald page. I see you added that to the image page back in July. Many thanks, SlimVirgin 17:21, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I got the information from my high school history book. I think the title was Epos Historia or something, I'm not sure. If you want, I could find the exact title and page number, but the book is in Swedish, so I'm not sure you would be interested in that. It never crossed my mind that the book might be unreliable, but I'll see if I can find another source corroborating this. So far I only have a brief mention on (which obviously mentions the same picture), but I guess I need something more tangible. &mdash;Gabbe 17:37, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Gabbe. The link to the newspaper you provided also doesn't say how they know this. The reason I'm wondering is that Wiesel says in his novel Night that he was transferred to the children's block after the death of his father in January 1945, and stayed there until April 10, 1945, when the Americans arrived. That doesn't mean he couldn't have been photographed in barracks with adults, of course, but it raised a question in my mind. Anything you can do to help track it down would be great. Perhaps the Swedish book you mention says what its source is? Perhaps Wiesel himself mentions this somewhere but I've not found a reference so far. SlimVirgin 17:46, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I will also e-mail the Elie Wiesel foundation to ask them. SlimVirgin 17:47, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * They've just responded and have confirmed that it is him. SlimVirgin 00:53, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

PGamers
I believe this is a long-shot, but were you a member of a forum called PGamers a few years ago? There was this Swede called "vampyregabbe" there, but he disappeared... Then again, I know that Gabbe is not an unusual name in Sweden, unlike what it is here in Norway... Jon Harald Søby 19:37, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * No, I'm sorry, you have me mixed up with someone else... &mdash;Gabbe 19:42, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yup. Well, I'll keep looking... ;-) Jon Harald Søby 12:27, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Category:Economics theories
My mistake. I'll fix it. Maurreen 19:05, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Zürich
violet/riga (t) 23:14, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Spelling mistakes?
You've done a number of edits in the last day that you comment as "correcting spelling mistakes" but don't appear to affect any spelling?--Louis E./le@put.com/12.144.5.2 18:03, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps "orthographic mistakes" is a better word, perhaps not. What you call not putting a space after punctation marks is as relevant as the fact that it's non-standard. &mdash;Gabbe 18:30, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)


 * No "perhaps" about it...punctuation is the best description,orthography is relevant,spelling (what letters are in the words) has absolutely nothing to do with spacing after punctuation.Even those who call it "grammar" are less off base than calling it a matter of spelling.(No matter how popular,spaces after punctuation marks are still a bad idea).--Louis E./le@put.com/12.144.5.2 03:09, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Catherine Zeta Jones and Welsh
Hello, Gabbe,

I was looking at various Swansea-related pages and noticed that the Catherine Zeta Jones page says that she is a fluent Welsh speaker. Whilst this may be possible, it surprises me. I have never heard this, and in fact have heard the opposite: that she doesn't speak Welsh (which is why she had to hire someone to speak it to her children). Looking at the history, it was you who made that particular addition. Can you provide a cite for this? The more I think about it, the more I am doubtful that it is the case. Telsa 14:29, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * It was something I got from her IMDb bio. I know, it's not very reliable. If you can find a source claiming otherwise, that is probably true. &mdash;Gabbe 07:23, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

Josef Bachmann
Thanks for adding the day of death to the article. I noticed the history charts on your user page. Looks interesting, but it's very europacentristic. Where are all the Chinese, e.g.? You may want to look e.g. at The 100. Ben talk contr 04:44, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

ussc template
Hi. I'm curious as to whether you intend to replace all of the current Supreme Court case citations with the template. I'm inclined to think that this is not the best practice, for the following reasons: -- BD2412 talk 01:35, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
 * 1) it's not necessarily a good thing to count on the continued availability of Findlaw - it might, for example, turn into a pay-site someday
 * 2) some cases (e.g. lower court decisions, cases from other countries) are not to be found there, so the use of the template would be inconsistent across all court cases
 * 3) I believe that the current link to court citation is more useful to the average Wikipedian than is the actual text of the case (for which there can be an explicit external link in the appropriate section).

Why I just reverted your edit to the Freedom of speech article
Actually, it's true---you should read about the Yahoo! case in which the company has been put into quite a pickle by the conflict between French and American free speech laws. The U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the rights of Americans to engage in many types of speech that would be illegal or highly restricted in most other countries. Americans can walk around in public wearing clothing with expletives (Cohen v. California) and make all kinds of vicious statements about current government officials. In contrast, in France, it is a crime to insult the president.

Furthermore, in some American states, such as California, it is legal to even engage in free speech on certain types of private property, such as private shopping centers held open to the public (see Pruneyard Shopping Center).--Coolcaesar 21:19, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree that freedom of speech is less restricted in the US than in France, or for that matter, than in China, Iran, North Korea, etc. In fact, I would say almost all countries in the world have more restrictive freedom of speech than in the US. However, there are quite a few nations in which freedom of speech is less restricted than even in the US. Countries where it is legal to make "vicious statements about current government officials", to broadcast expletives on prime time television, to demonstrate inside private buildings open to the public, etc. Countries without any restrictions regarding obscenity, or the distribution of pornography to minors, etc. For instance, the Reporters Without Borders freedom of the press (I know, not exactly the same thing, but still) index currently ranks the US at number 22 worldwide.


 * In the article, if any country should be listed, in my mind it should be the Netherlands, where the XS4ALL ISP played a very important role in the late 1990's in harboring a lot of "controversial" websites. I think its very exceptionalistic and POV to claim that "the US has in many respects the least restrictive governmental policies in the world on freedom of speech", as there exist other countries with less restrictive governmental policies in almost every respect. &mdash;Gabbe 21:37, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Vasco da Gama
An article that you've edited before (Vasco da Gama) is nominated for Article Improvement Drive. If you want go there and vote. Thanks. Gameiro 02:57, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Unicameral Bicameral map
I've reloaded my map, with copyright details, which more accurately reflects the situation, although I now accept that Rwanda has a bicameral parliament and have changed it accordingly.

Unicameral

Serbia and Montenegro Botswana - House of Chiefs is advisory only Egypt - Majilis Al-Shura is advisory only

Bicameral

Indonesia - House of Peoples Representatives (DPR) and House of Regional Representatives (DPD) Pakistan - National Assembly and Senate

Map of Indonesia on Uni-Bicameral map is incorrect
Thanks for revising the map, but you have split up Indonesia - Kalimantan, Sulawesi, Maluku and West Papua are shaded in orange when they should be in blue, along with the other parts of the country.



Singapore should also be a bit more visible in orange - it's bigger than Monaco and San Marino. I should have put Bosnia Herzegovina in blue, as the Parliamentary Assembly consists of the House of Peoples and the House of Representatives.

Quiensabe UTC 17:00 2005-10-04


 * You left out Kalimantan - the Indonesian part of the island of Borneo.

Quiensabe UTC 12:23 2005-10-06

Birthday
Sorry it's a bit late! --User:Jenmoa 04:23, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Look at the date
Last Updated: Wednesday, 23 November 2005, 08:49 GMT

This image was uploaded at 13:06, 30 July 2004 .--KongMing 15:06, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, and obviously they could both stem from some source which predates them both... &mdash;Gabbe 16:25, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I think that's not the author's problem, maybe BBC's website copy from wikipedia without following the GFDL license, you can see the Metadata of the photo,

Orientation 	Normal Horizontal resolution 	72 dpi

Vertical resolution 	72 dpi

Software used 	Adobe Photoshop CS Windows

File change date and time 	01:45, 30 July 2004

Color space 	65535

same as the uploaded date. Maybe you can send a email to BBC, and ask them the sources of the photo.--KongMing 10:11, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Polish kings
I'm glad that somebody agrees with me on at least part of the issue with the Polish monarch naming. The demand for not anglicizing names which are always anglicized in English (especially for Sigismund III, who was clearly also king of Sweden) is completely puzzling to me. Any ideas on how to proceed? john k 21:33, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Flag of bangladesh incorrect
I found that you've replaced the png version with the svg one. but the new version is flawed in the green hue used. What do you suggest should be done. a) revert to the previous correct version or b) retain the faulty one given that the svg version is being preferred. tx Idleguy 09:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, the website you referred to seems to have the correct shade of green. Please go ahead with the changes. tx Idleguy 09:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
... for changing the link to the proposed flag of united cyprus on my notes page! &mdash; Nightstallion (?) 07:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Flag of England.svg
The image was just being shown as a link instead of an image, but it's fine now. Maybe I was low on memory or something. CTOAGN (talk) 13:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

User pages
re this edit: .png -> .svg [hope you don't mind]

Yes, I do mind that you're too lazy or rude to notify people you're screwing around with their user pages. --Calton | Talk 01:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Would you have preferred it if you simply didn't have any flags on your user pages once the redundant png flags have been deleted? Sheesh, some people's attitude these days... &mdash; Nightstallion (?) 10:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

The flag change
You wrote on 00:39, 23 January 2006 Gabbe (.png -> .svg [hope you don't mind]). On the contrary I don't mind at all. I welcome positive actions like this. Thank you :) Green Giant 02:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

9/11 Template
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the template. It's certainly the best one I've put together yet :) The reason for "alleged" is because even the FBI Director Robert Mueller said that there is no proof that some of these men were involved, and that it's entirely likely their identities were stolen.  Not to put too much weight on conspiracy theories, but people often point to the fact that Ziad Jarrah is the only pilot who didn't attend the same Hamburg school, and there is little to no evidence of him meeting with the other hijackers.  Hani Hanjour similarily, had been living in the United States for ages, without any suspicious contact.  One day in 2001, a Visa is issued in his name - and at every point onward from that date, suddenly his English is reported as "broken and choppy", despite the fact Hanjour took 3 studies in English at University, and was described earlier as speaking English plainly.  At the same time his English degrades, he suddenly stops being a shitty pilot at flight schools, so there's a level of belief that the true hijackers 'disappeared' the actual Hanjour, and stole his identity. (And this is not claiming the government had any involvement, this is just 'Other Islamic radicals stole his identity' or whatever). Similarily, Hani was not listed on any flight manifests, and he was not named in the initial September 13th list of 18 hijackers.

So in short, if the FBI cannot say that those 19 are guilty with any certainty, it makes sense to simply say that they are alleged to be the hijackers, since there are multiple cases of people with the same names and birthdates reporting their passports stolen in the United States and such. Unfortunately, we may never know which individual people actually crashed the planes, only who they claimed they were when they flashed ID badges. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 14:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Cartoons
Gabbe,

YOur argument I should say doesnt look right. Anti-semitic pictures no way can be considered as insult to Jews. They are supporting their ideas of being victom and generates a semphaty they deserve. But in the Prophet Mohammed case, the cartoon themselves are insult. Resid Gulerdem 21:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Brought from your user page to your talk page. violet/riga (t) 21:23, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

help wanted
Can I get you to help me with a mediation I'm conducting at Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming? I stepped in with an outside view and was immediately personally attacked. I need some administrator firepower watching my back while I do this. Also, since I'm planning on becoming an administrator once I have more experience on wikipedia, having one watch my first mediation attempt would be helpful knowledge for me. Swatjester 15:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia in Tetum

 * Help building a Wikipedia in Tetum, the national language of East Timor. Give your contribution to the improvement of its test page -- Regards, 195.23.53.121 11:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC) Manuel de Sousa

Image Tagging Image:MarioSavio.JPG
Thanks for uploading Image:MarioSavio.JPG. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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Tiananmen
Hi, Gabbe. Why did you remove the paragraph and photo about violence against the PLA in the Tiananmen article? I'm just curious as to your reasons and wishing that you had posted an explanation on the Talk page. Thanks! Sigrid 17:56, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the US version of a "militia"
The purpose of the militia within the united states has been clearly defined in both American Jurisprudence and the papers and articles which were published at the time of the Constitutional Convention. I amended this article to properly distinguish the difference which exists between the militia of the United States and militias of other countries, like Switzerland. Federalist paper No. 29, written by Alexander Hamilton, is a good example, "But if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights...." I am not familiar with the laws of Sweden, however, I am intimately familiar with American law, specifically Constitutional law. I take no sides on this issue, however, the historical facts are very clear on this subject. I would very much like to continue this discussion with you on the appropriate discussion page for the militia article. If you have facts which conflict with my research, I would very much like to see them, please post them on the discussion page for the article. Tetragrammaton 08:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Retort:

I of course disagree, the quote is very clear, IMHO. Hamilton was expressing why a militia was preferable to a standing army, i.e. the government could never use it (in theory) to subjugate the citizenry of the Union because it consists of the citizens themselves. He goes into greater detail on this subject in Federalist Paper 28. Clearly Hamilton indicates that should the US government ever become tyrannical (i.e. opressive) the people, properly armed, constitute a force capable of overcomming any select military force, like an army.

As for "US legal scholars" that are "reputable, objective and upartisan" is concerned, I can think of no better organization than the United States Department of Justice. Considering how controversial this subject has become, due to the polarization of US politics, it is difficult to find any objective, upartisan works from any US legal scholars. So, in compliance with wikipedia's rule on Original Works, I try to use only primary sources (like legal documents, court cases, and peridicals or papers published as close to the time of the subject as possible) and reputable (mostly government) secondary sources.

The United States Department of Justice made it very clear (in the August 24th 2004 report "Whether the Second Amendment secures and individual right") that the militia of the US exists to protect the security of a free state. What is a free state? It's an ambiguous term. Generally its use during the Constitutional convention debates was synonymous with "Republic" or a "Commonwealth." So, in the interests of being non-partisan I edited the article and removed the sentence you found disagreeable.

Oh, the comment about Swedish law was made because I do not know if Sweden has a militia similar to that of the United States. I assumed you would know better than I, therefore I make no claim in knowing the militia laws of Sweden or any other country for that matter, with the exception of 18th century England.

And yes, I could go on about this indefinitely. I have writen a 47 page paper on this subject (not published yet). So this subject and that of the 2nd amendment, interest me greatly.

BTW, I see the article on the militia is getting too long, would you mind if I started a new article, based solely on the militia of the United States?Tetragrammaton 19:21, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Gabbe.

I'll begin working on a separate article for the "militia of the United States."Tetragrammaton 01:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

sweets.png
i mentioned the copyright and source of of the photo. it was unfair of you to remove a photo that i researched and contributed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipedian c (talk • contribs)

Main template
Hi, Gabbe. Thanks for adding main here. I was thinking of doing it myself, but I wasn't sure of the right template name. --Uncle Ed 18:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Freemasonry
All schools of thought at this article want ALL the cited ref. stuff. You will need to justify ALL edits on the discussion page, otherwise both Pro or Anti-Masonic editor will revert as soon as the new edits are spotted. That is how it works on this heavily cited controvercial article. Thanks. Imacomp 23:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Re your post to my talk. Its not my policy, I'm only reporting it before the "heavy" stuff starts again. Sorry. Imacomp 23:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * RE "Policy". The ad-hoc one used at the article Freemasonry, and "Freemasonic" style stuff, as knocked out by Pro/Anti head butting. Sorry, not my idea. Imacomp 00:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry I've an WP:AN/I to bother with, and its bed time. sorry. Ask at talk Freemasonry. Imacomp 00:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Imacomp, I am not sure I follow what your argument is about... I do not see how Gabbe's changes have actually changed anything other than having one citation where there used to be many. That said, I freely admit that may have missed something... so please explain.  Gabbe... this page IS controvercial, and has been recently been the subject of repeated attacks by POV agenda pushers.  Thus all the regular editors are very leary of any change at the moment.  Please discuss what you intend to do and why ... to ease our fears.  Blueboar 03:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That about sums it up,yes. I was not trying to cause confrontation. Imacomp 21:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:JohnProfumo.jpg and Image:ChristineKeeler.jpg
You correctly removed the PD tag from Image:JohnProfumo.jpg and Image:ChristineKeeler.jpg. I have now added a fairuse tag in respect to their respective articles, as the uploader lost interrest in wiki since his last convo with you. Please doublecheck to see if you think fair use does apply. Agathoclea 07:45, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Colossus
Erk, how embarrassing to have forgotten to actually add the "references" tag &mdash; thanks! &mdash; Matt Crypto 17:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Benapgar
Yes, it was confirmed. --Ryan Delaney talk 19:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * They never confirmed it in any official capacity. I know about it because of personal communication with arbitrators Dmcdevit and mindspillage. The best I can give you to verify it would be this diff . --Ryan Delaney talk 22:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Tack för omformuleringen
Tack för din omformulering av offentlighetsprincipen. Jag borde ha vetat att Finland borde gå lika långt.

Den poäng jag funderade på när jag skreve detta är att eftersom alla statens dokument är offentliga i sverige, så finns det någon slags koppling/ironi till att mohammed-teckningarna delvis handlar om censur.

Jag har sett skrivet någonstans att Sverige går längre än andra länder när det gäller offentlighets-principen. Det var någon artikel som handlade om att de försökte införa samma sak i EU, men att den svenska offentlighetsprincipen var för extrem och unik. Vet du mer om detta? DanielDemaret 12:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Historic tag
Hi Gabbe, there are a number of images we use that were taken by animal-rights groups after they broke into vivisection facilities, and these are regarded as "historic" in the sense of one-off significant episodes, because there is no other way of gaining access to animals who are being experimented on. It wasn't me who first suggested using that tag, but another editor who is very familiar with the image policies. Can you show me where the historic tag is discussed? Then I can look to see how far off this use is. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Fish/Land Animal Fossil Find
With all due respect, if you read the articles that were in the media yesterday regarding the Nature report of the fish/land animal fossil find in Canada, you would have found numerous quotes from the most prominent evolutionary scientists alive today heralding this as very significant fossil evidence that supports evolution. The big arguement against the Theory of Evolution has been "produce the evidence"; where are the fossils that prove this theory true? This fossil find is a very crucial link between fish and land animals. Perhaps what is needed is a section in the Wikipedia Evolution article that covers significant fossil evidence, since that really is the crux of the whole debate over evolution, whether real world evidence supports it or not. The announcement yesterday could be just one reference in this new section. If I have time, I will see what I can come up with. It certainly belongs on any serious article discussing evolution. It is the smoking gun that proves evoltion is more than just a theory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock nj (talk • contribs)

If I have time I will write a section for the evolution article describing significant transitional fossil finds over the years, yesterday's being a very significant one that was heralded by scientists around the world who have studied evolution all of their lives. I think this is a very import aspect of the Theory of Evolution. When someone asks, where is the proof, the fossil evidence is where they will be looking first and is perhaps the strongest proof available. Rock nj 15:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for finding that citation for the autism article. -- Fyslee 21:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Templates
Gabbe, I'm curiouso as to why you change citations to fit these templates, as in this example. They are actually quite annoying and create more work for people. Also, in this case, you seem to have deleted information about the citation in order to make it fit the template. Could I ask please that you stop changing citations in this way? As I see it, they create more work for everyone, but perhaps I have misunderstood something about them. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Long talk page
Greetings! Your talk page is getting a bit long in the tooth - please consider archiving your talk page (or ask me and I'll archive it for you). Cheers! BD2412 T 23:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Your comment on the move of the article says: title released. Where has it been announced? Would you please provide a link to the press release? - Brian Kendig 18:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, your move was premature. The title is based on an unconfirmed rumor of what somebody heard from a Disney Store employee who says he something pinned to a corkboard. Have a look at the article's Talk page for details. I see you moved the article back already - thank you. - Brian Kendig 19:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Botany Bay, London map
Actaully, this shows the location of Crews Hill. Botany Bay is located further to the left on the red line. The red line is the A1005. Simply south 21:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes that is very close. I am not going to be more pedantic. Its fine there. Actually, the area earlier, could you add that to Crews Hill? Simply south 21:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Simply south 22:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Grid data
Hi and thanks for your message. If you follow the OS grid list e.g. TQ1234 in the infobox and scroll down the page the lat/lon is given in the table of data found there. Mrsteviec 22:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Just realised what you actually asked for! here is where to get the OS in the first place: http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm Mrsteviec 22:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Iraq war
Since you seem to be doing the move back.. The article should probably be under Iraq War as it's a proper noun. --Bobblehead 22:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

RobotG
Hello. Thanks for blocking RobotG. There is a consensus to rename all of the Oscar awards categories, and a robot is the only effective way of doing it. I apologise if my robot does not meet your high standards, but I hardly think that moving comments around qualifies as "breaking" pages. I promise not to run RobotG any more on these articles, and I will give another robot a chance to do it. Meanwhile I should be grateful if you would unblock RobotG asap, please. --RobertG &#9836; talk 13:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I'm afraid I don't see the point of the comments in the first place. The article text is the place to note who won awards for what.  But as I say, I'm walking away from this one :-)  Best wishes, RobertG &#9836; talk 13:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you suggest an alternative? I was, of course, not aware that these HTML comments existed until you blocked RobotG.  It seems to me that the goal of having these categories properly named is more desirable than having an HTML comment near each category for which actor in the film won the award - as I said, the article text should do that.  But I am quite prepared to withdraw and give another bot a chance.  Meanwhile, I can't think of a simple way of putting the comments back without reversing the desirable category-name changes already implemented.  It rather comes down to just how valuable you think these comments are.  RobertG &#9836; talk 14:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Survey Invitation
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Sorry about what happened to todays featured article
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Birth & death templates
Just wanted to say good job. A much needed upgrade to tons of articles, i'm glad someone is doing it. (Mind meal 20:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC))

Stem cell article
Great work with fixing up the references in this article. You're a star! Dr Aaron 00:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

BLOCK MAJORCLANGER!
Ehem I've got a naughty wikipedian to report.

Majorclanger! Majorclanger is needed for a block for vandalism and blowing wikipedia. Block Majorclanger for 60hrs. Will ya do that? G'd night! 81.151.75.120 19:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

User talk:GabrielVelasquez
In the bottom section of the above user's talk page, he has specifically requested your intervention, along with that of User:Gamaliel and someone named User:Jimbo Wales. I am sending a similar note to the second named person. Thank you for your attention. John Carter (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * At the time I was blocked for 24 hours and I was looking for comment from what I thought might be unbiased, non-sockpuppet editors, and trustworthy administrators, almost at random. Now that some time has passed the evidence seems to be creeping in, but I would still like to know more administrators that I can say I don't distrust. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 17:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

user spam my page
Hi User Malik Shabazz spam my talk page after I asked him not to spam my talk page.Oren.tal (talk) 00:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Cannon.
Hello Gabbe, I was wondering if you could cite a source for this edit that you made a couple of years ago? We're getting Cannon ready for an FAC, and that looks like an interesting fact (that was recently removed, as OR). I've looked through the 2001 Guinness book, but can't find any info on the largest howitzer. Did you take that from a different edition? Sorry for inquiring about such an old edit, but thanks, regardless of whether or not you remember. · AndonicO  Hail!  02:43, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that'll do fine. :) · AndonicO  Hail!  13:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

IF YOUR HERE RIGHT NOW
srry for the caps, can you help me with thi user Dgmjr05, been insulting me for my somewhat bad english skills (i'm not as good at proper englisch on the computer) and keeps reverting my edits to South Harmon, which isn't notable, and keeps editing my userpage despite asks to stop, not as civil as i'd like but meh.--Jakezing (talk) 01:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Renaming of account on fr.wp
Hi,

"yet another one", yeah, you got the gist of it... ;-) You're lucky I'm too tired of it to ask for confirmation here, since the account had no contributions I've renamed it out of your way. Regards, Blinking Spirit (talk) 19:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Gabbe@nowiki
The username Gabbe on no.wikipedia has been renamed, so you are now able to log in there using your global account. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gabbe!
I've seen some of your work and am trying to post an article. I wanted to get your read on the relevance of the article so that hopefully we can have it posted and protected. Previously, there was an incident between an editor and an admin that prevented the article from being posted. Would love your expertise and advice, please. God Bless- BHOrchid (talk) 19:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Gabbe,
Wonderful, just and objective insight. Thank you for your response and I will do exactly as you suggested. Brilliant. BHOrchid (talk) 20:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Asking a random administrator for request for blocking a user
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TfD nomination of Template:Pope
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Flags
Hi Gabbe, just to let you know, adding flags to album release dates is now discouraged. Cheers. — Realist  2  22:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for comments
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Articles for deletion nomination of Book of Deuteronomy
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Templates
Gabbe, just a note about your addition of citation templates. These are optional and deeply disliked by some editors (myself included). WP:CITE and the MoS says that editors shouldn't go around making style changes on stable articles if they're likely to be contentious. SlimVirgin talk| contribs 16:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Corporal punishment
Hi, I think the sentence "Corporal punishment offers several advantages, such as that it is quick and cheap" will seem perfectly clear to native English speakers. However, I have modified it a bit to make it even clearer. If you are not satisfied with that, we shall have to make the point separately for corporal punishment in the home (where the main point is that it can be implemented instantly) and school corporal punishment (where an equally important point is that its costs, e.g. in staff time and classroom space, are neglible compared with such things as detention or suspension). This point is made explicit in the following paragraph. In fact a similar point could be made in relation to parental punishment, because alternative parental punishments such as grounding or "time out" need to be supervised by the parents if they are going to work at all. Alarics (talk) 17:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Citation bots and school violence entry
I am a research psychologist who worked hard to improve the school violence entry. I entered the citations according to the style of the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association. Is that wrong? Does Wikipedia have it's own specified style for citations? Thanks. Iss246 (talk) 20:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

No, you're right. Wikipedia does not have its own citation style. As per WP:CS#HOW the APA is a perfectly acceptable style, and WP:CS#Citation templates and tools generally frowns upon the practice of changing one citation style for another (ie. what I just did). I didn't notice that the article already had a consistent style for all citations before I template-ized them all. Feel free to revert me if you dislike the new style.—Gabbe (talk) 21:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Iss246 (talk) 02:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

School corporal punishment
I have now reorganised this into alphabetical order, and tried to standardise the references. I would be grateful if you could refrain from altering them all with a citation template! I find the results of those things quite user-hostile.

Also I noticed you made new Europe and USA maps for this and Corporal punishment. Do you think it would be good to have a world map for Judicial corporal punishment? Alarics (talk) 17:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on the new JCP map. Only one minor point, it shows the whole of Indonesia, which of course is enormous, but only the province of Aceh (on Sumatra) has JCP so arguably it could be thought slightly misleading. Is there an argument for just colouring in Aceh, or at least just Sumatra? Just a thought. Alarics (talk) 19:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)