User talk:Gabriele Kalenski

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Manvydas
Old books regarding genealogy of Lithuanian dukes are extremely unreliable. The often take Palemonids to be true. They also confuse many names, dates, facts, etc. Many noble families, who later tried to trace their noble origin to some early duke, even further complicate the matter. It takes years for modern historians to reconstruct what is myth and what is fact. None of modern historians I read mention anything about Manvydas having any children. Renata

(talk) 22:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

As to Manvydas : GOTHA is reliable. This is the official book of the aristocracy. Obviously you do not know the GOTHA editions. Where are you from? Anyway, I live in Germany and did some ancestry research especially as there was just my family with my name in the Western part of Germany. Due to the third Reich hardly anybody wanted to do some ancestry research in Germany. However, during my long stay in England I was pointed out that my name was not German but Polish and then it turned out that Polish Institutions explained to me that my name was not original Polish but Polonised. To cut a long story short, I was referred to the County Library of Düsseldorf / Germany which has got books on dynasties of the former East Prussia etc which I checked with a librarian of noble Polish descent and she referred me to the GOTHA to Tyszkiewicz-Kalenicki. There I could find the information that Basil Tyszkiewicz-Kalenicki, the sovereign of Smolensk, was the great-grandson of Manvydas, the eldest son of Gediminas. So, you can see that this makes sense as Smolensk once was a Princedom of the Polish- Lithuanian Commonwealth. I cannot believe that the GOTHA just indicates what some people want as GOTHA is the official listing. Moreover, as Lithuania was governed by Rurikids in ancient times, a genealogist who is researching on DNA of Rurikids, is of opinion that I may have these roots, too. Perhaps this explains to you that I did not do any research on any Dukes but tried to find my own roots and everything else was a 'by-product'. I would like to know Manvydas was married to, too - he was old enough. But he died around the same time as Gediminas, his brothers took over. Maybe his family was just neglected because there was no heir ? ([User talk:Gabriele|talk]]]