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Making one-size-fits-all templates 10x smaller
Since you seem to be open to making article formatting, 10x or 100x faster, then consider the following "murky" idea:
 * Have small templates say use bigger one for author9: The gist of this idea is to use the "80/20 Rule" and reduce the "/core" templates to the 20% size which will handle 80% of all citations or infobox-cities, etc. Then, when someone uses a bizarre, well, rare parameter, such as "gossip_editor=Smith" or "City_mascot_food= pineapple pizza" then have the small, reduced templates say to use the bigger template:      WARNING in Cite_web: Parameter "gossip_editor" not supported, use {CiteX web} instead.  For each {Cite book}, {Cite news}, have a {CiteX book}, {CiteX news} to handle the huge, gargantuan Xtra rare cases, with the huge {&#123;Citation/coreX}} then processing all 563 cite parameters (as in the current "huge" /core today).
 * Naturally, checking for all rare parameters would make each small template become huge like the current templates, so only the most likely rare options would be checked, and the template documentation would warn to use the eXtra-size template for rare parameters. People wouldn't have to beg to allow rare parameters, because most articles would be unaffected, while using the smaller form, and not drag rare "City_mascot_food" into the formatting of every city article. So far, that's the only way I think the "creeping-featurism parameters" can be kept out of most articles. A single template cannot support both mainstream and rare-fringe without carrying the "Rube Goldberg machine" baggage. Currently, we have these "Tuxedo templates" to allow wearing in a black-tie article or in "Peasant". The crisis has been proven because some of the other /core templates have tripled in size during 2010. We no longer have as many template architects watchlisting those major templates to deny bizarre (or rare) parameters. Other templates have kept expanding, although {Citation/core} seems stagnant, so far: Citation/core used 270 parameters in December 2007, 434 parameters in 2008, and now /core has used 563 parameters in 2009-2010.  -Wikid77 (talk) 08:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Rewriting for 2x smaller results: I have found that combining Template:Cite_book with {Citation/core}, as a single template, can cut the resource usage by 56%, using less than half of the MediaWiki preprocessor resources, as when {Citation/core} is separate. At first, I tried omitting rare parameters, such as surname5 to surname8 or editor-surname3, but restored all the parameters, using only the technical change to combine templates. Even omitting the COinS metadata saved only 700 bytes, whereas combining templates saved 2,000 bytes per {Cite_book} usage. I have repeated this idea at Template_talk:Citation/core for reactions and further discussion. -talk 02:45, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Member/astart
Template:Member/astart has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Help needed
I am adding a reference with Template:Cite web, and the website's url is http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=20247&tx_ttnews[backPid]=211. This renders incorrectly, see Gennady Konyakhin. How could this be fixed? Debresser (talk) 13:48, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

You need to percent encode the brackets:

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=20247&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=211

See Help:URL. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 14:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Debresser (talk) 16:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

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Truman Stamp
What was the issue about the non-free content with the Truman stamp? Something wrong with the fair use rationale? You didn't say. Gwillhickers (talk) 03:48, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * You can't use a non-free stamp to simply illustrate the subject. There must be significant content about the stamp itself. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 04:10, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Tangerine Tree
I was just trying to add a reference to a Dimeadozen page Lurulu (talk) 18:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Dimeadozen is not a reliable source, and torrent pages are not stable. Regardless, the concert you listed is not a TT release. It is probably a fan tape that either did not get collected by the project before it was closed or was of poor quality and did not meet leaf standards. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 18:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

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Rutstrum
Thanks for fixing that. Can't believe I did that. I guess if one looks at and repeats an error enough times it looks OK. North8000 (talk) 13:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, an IP corrected it in the text. I double checked sources and concluded he was correct. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

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Akela (Scouting)
It's marked merge, but there's no merge discussion. What are your thoughts?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:05, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Added discussion. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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check this out
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Coats_of_arms_by_country&curid=1254023&diff=49691224&oldid=48901108 Is this something we could apply as a navigation tool?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 06:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

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I've been waiting for this change for a long time. Are you planning to complete the work so that the notes have letters as well instead of numbers? —UncleDouggie (talk) 16:48, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't quite follow you. Right now you get alpha characters if you use a group name of "footnote". ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:50, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah. Added to . ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 18:32, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

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 * Got a nice cup of Earl Grey with vanilla in hand. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 14:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Apart from the rather...frustrating 'save' thing though... it is so hard for new editors. That's why I think we should guide all of them through a process like AFC - as I said here, earlier.  Chzz  ► 14:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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Hello, Gadget850. You wrote on Template talk:Cite web here, "I use an external script to cleanup citations and removing extra spaces like this is one of the features."

Could you please tell me which script is this? I would want to clean all the white spaces made by the user who also edited the template itself. It takes a lot of article space and I do not think white spaces are necessary at all. Thank you. Shahid •  Talk 2 me  16:50, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I use UltraEdit and a custom macro. You could probably do this with WP:AWB but I created the UE macros before I started using AWB. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I'm having trouble with this. If I ask you to make one edit for me to remove all the while spaces from the references of a particular article, will it bother you? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:11, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Not at all, but it will be a while before I get to it. What article? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Preity Zinta. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  23:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

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 * Thanks a lot. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

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 * And it's gone. User:Fermi91 has made some problematic edits to Order of the Arrow— I suspect he was involved in an edit war there some time back using a variety of sock accounts. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 03:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
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Well, Gadget, what do you think of the question I raised here? (Please answer there rather than here.)

I ask you because you're the only person who both (i) has bothered to respond and (ii) clearly understands the question. If you agree, I'll make the necessary changes; if you disagree, I'll bow to the intrinsic timidity/conservatism of en:WP, whereby misinformation is preferable to change. -- Hoary (talk) 13:31, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I have been pondering on this, and it is almost a moot issue. We will eventually change to HTML5, probably fairly soon. It was changed a month or so ago, but so many scripts were broken that it was reverted. I think a note at the top of the page is sufficient for now. And HTML5 uses . ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Wow ... changing to HTML5? But: Hoary (talk) 15:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * en:WP will be viewed not by people using browsers created from 2012 to 2014, but by people using browsers created from 2009 to 2011; and the most popular even among the 2011 crop are pretty useless at HTML5;
 * 1) HTML5 and not XHTML5?

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Talkpage - "this template is intended only for talk pages with issues" - why?

There's nothing that says that.

Yes, I did check the documentation.  Chzz  ► 12:29, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * From Talk header:
 * "This template should be used only when needed. There is no need to add this template to every talk page. Do not create a talk page just to add this template."
 * "Talk pages that attract frequent or perpetual debate, articles often subject to controversy, and/or recent-and-highly-visible topics are usually appropriate for this template. Calm talk pages do not need this template."
 * ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 12:53, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes...but, the first part of that has no bearing on the appropriateness, in this specific case, of simply replacing the 'spam' with that template.
 * We're not creating a page - it exists. I agree that if a talkpage does not exist, then we shouldn't just make one with that heading. However, I do usually make one for BLPs, adding - because I think it is so important to highlight BLP concerns to anyone coming across the talk page.
 * As for the remainder...I think that info is somewhat wrong. It says, In accordance with Talk page layout, this template should not be added to otherwise empty talk pages - yet the page it links to (the information page) makes no mention of that.
 * Maybe the template doc needs updating. But... in this specific case - what do you think we should do, instead? I don't think that the page should be deleted, because there is no necessity - and history of contribs - even 'bad' ones - is useful information. Do you think we should just leave a totally blank page? I think that'd be more confusing.  Chzz  ► 17:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It really isn't a big deal. I have seen editors mass add this template to talk pages without reading the documentation and that is what I wanted to emphasize. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, agreed; it's no big deal - and I'm quite happy to forget about it; it's just that when you wrote "this template is intended only for talk pages with issues" it sounded like you were disagreeing with the advice given - which, in that specific case, I think was valid. No worries,  Chzz  ► 21:30, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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Sources for people of Jewish descent
1. Would this link be a good souce about Alyson Hanngian being of Jewish descent: http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/23122/celebrity-jews/ 2. It says in this article that Josh Keaton has a Caucasian parent and a Peruvian parent and he both the Jewish and Catholic holidays http://nomoreheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Josh_Keaton. SO I think it would be far to say that of one his parents is white and the other is Peruvian. Neptunekh2 (talk) 13:22, 13 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The first is a news article and considered reliable. The second is a wiki, thus not reliable. See Identifying reliable sources. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

It says in the article that was born in Hacienda Heights, California to Peruvian and Jewish parents. DOes that mean he's half Peruvian, half Jewish? And where a so called you say "reliable source" for this statement in the article? Neptunekh2 (talk) 13:56, 13 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Replied on Help Desk. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 14:00, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

A few things to discuss
1. I wrote one sentence for Precious_and_the_Puggies a childern's book by Alexander_McCall_Smith. Could someone please improve the article? 2. Would it be fair to place Eli_Wallach under the category: American_people_of_Jewish_descent since the article says Wallach came from a Jewish family? 3. I think something needs to added to the Holly_Marie_Combs. It says in at Tv.com on Holly's mother, has worked as an actress and a singer and that her stepfather is a musician. It also says the Holly and her mother lived near the beach in San Diego until Holly was eight. Could that info be added in Holly's article? 4. These are 2 links talking about a novella More Than Weird which is by English author Martyn_Godfrey: http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/g/martyn-godfrey/more-than-weird.htm http://www.umanitoba.ca/cm/cmarchive/vol16no4/morethanweird.html Would those links be enough reason to undelete it? 5. The Martyn_Godfrey needs some improvement. Can someone improve it? 6. It says right here that Dorothy_Dandridge is of mixed descent: http://ethnicelebs.com/dorothy-dandridge Should that info be added in? 7. Its says on this website that Halle_berry has some Russian German, and Irish heritage: http://ethnicelebs.com/halle-berry Should that be added in? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 11:42, 16 May 2011 (UTC) 8. Should Transamerica_(film) go under the category Category:Jewish_LGBT-related_films since the main character is half-Jewish? Please let me know your opinions on these subjects. Thanks Neptunekh2 (talk) 12:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Replies will be to your duplicate request on the Help Desk. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 12:30, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't see any replies at the help desk. Neptunekh2 (talk) 12:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)


 * "will be". Look now. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 12:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

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 * OK, well I have restored the username then. I also deleted the 3 revisions following it, because the text was not removed immediately, so the following revisions still had the text in it. -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 18:38, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 18:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

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Hello! Does the page Help:Cite errors/Ref name tests need to exist in mainspace? It is not linked-to from the help page, in fact is only linked to by another user -- not even you -- and because it's effectively appearing as a page full of ref errors, appears in Category:Pages with broken reference names when it really doesn't need to. It's just a test page, right? Should it not be in a sandbox somewhere instead? - Salamurai (talk) 23:06, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


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 * On Category:Pages with broken reference names, two of the Help pages have broken refs because they are showing examples. I have yet to figure out how Help:Cite errors is appearing on the list. I have not attacked the pages in the other two categories; "Missing ref list" is usually handled by one of the bots (SmackBot, I think). If there's anything there that you can fix, please do! Thanks! - Salamurai (talk) 16:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


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Your break
That doesn't sound good. I hope the fun returns soon. Any way we/I can help? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:11, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like the WP:NFCC shock troops strike again. Come back soon. EricSerge (talk) 21:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

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Uniform and insignia of the Boy Scouts of America
I disagree with and undid your removal of all the images from Uniform and insignia of the Boy Scouts of America. You don't have to remove every single image from this article, use some discretion, but images are needed. The sleeve and pocket stuff especially. I'd like to discuss this with you.

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Hi. I see you seem to watch that article with the refs and it's WWII related and thought you could maybe answer a couple questions. I worked on Yasunori Seizo and compared it to Isoroku Yamamoto. Yamamoto's article has the family name last but Yasunori's has the family name first (see the "danger" ref). I guess we should rename the Yasunori article but I don't know how. Also, I found a Navy photo (also in danger ref) of dead US pilots that could be added to the article or the Bunker Hill's article. How do I upload it? I can figure out how to add it from looking at other articles, but how do you upload it?PumpkinSky (talk) 14:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

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common.js
Is there a reason for change? I'm loading the script in User:Ucucha/common.js and it works fine. Thanks for the compliment, by the way. Ucucha 21:29, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, in common.js -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * That's new to me. What is Special:MyPage/common.js? Most folks use Special:MyPage/skin.js. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 21:50, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It is code that loads whatever skin you are using; I think it was added in MediaWiki 1.17 a few months back. I think it's preferable because you don't need to change your js files when you change skins, and you don't need to use the skin.js hack. Ucucha 21:56, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's the one which is always loaded regardless of which skin you have as your default. Was introduced with MediaWiki 1.17, according to mw:Manual:Interface/JavaScript. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Have to do some testing later as that documentation is skimpy. Looks to me like skin.js applies only to the currently selected skin and common.js applies to all skins. Feel free to revert on that. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 22:08, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes; it's the same as with MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Vector.js etcetera. Ucucha 22:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * OK— common.css and common.js are shared across all skins, while the others are specific. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Please note that the user-specific ones are spelled with a small c, as in User:Redrose64/common.js - User:Redrose64/Common.js does not exist (and wouldn't do anything if it did). -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:39, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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Citation templates and APA
On your Citation templates subpage you have the statement "CS1 and CS2 both use as a meta-template and are variants of APA style." In the past I have had experienced editors tell me this, but none of them could point to any documentation or contemporaneous discussion to verify this statement. Can you point me to any confirmation of this statement? Jc3s5h (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


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"Edit intros when editing the last section"
Hello, I might be missing something but it doesn't look like the part about "last section" was true even in 2009: the code in Common.js only affects  tab. — AlexSm 15:31, 8 August 2011 (UTC) ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

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Cite video error
hi there, this edit you did yesterday seems to be creating ref error messages e.g. here, please may you have a look Tom B (talk) 18:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The message was This is how the URL fields are supposed to work. I see this was quickly fixed by updating the article ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 19:12, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * no the error message is displaying even though they have a url field. I 'fixed' a few of them by doing a workaround: making the archiveurl entry into the url entry. see John Cleese ref 38 for an example, it has a url but it still shows as an error:   Tom B (talk) 19:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I fixed the problem. The implementation was a bit odd and I only fixed it in one place. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 19:34, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * thanks Tom B (talk) 19:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

"Cite court" template
Hi. Just checking to see if you feel there are more things that need to be done to Cite court before the sandbox copy can be copied to production and I can take the temporary "/sandbox" things out of the cites in the Wong Kim Ark article. I'm not trying to be pushy here — I just want to make sure I don't lose track of where we are, or end up in a situation where everyone else is waiting for me to do something. Rich wales (talk · contribs) 21:10, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Abandoned. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 21:56, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

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scref / listref
Am I right that listref allows a manually set name (rather than automatically assigned a, b, ... labels), just as scref used to? In some cases where you've replaced scref by listref, you've replaced a manually assigned label with automatic assignation, which seems to me less clear where the list is long and there are several multiply-used references. Do you have any strong objections to restoring the manual labels within listref? Dsp13 (talk) 09:04, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Scref does not automatically assign labels. Listref uses manual labels in-text and  to format the reference list with six supported styles. What article is this referring to? ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The articles I'd noticed were List of African writers by country & List of 19th-century British periodicals. Other ones on my watchlist which had used scref were List of African-American visual artists and List of philosophers born in the 1st through 10th centuries. Dsp13 (talk) 16:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Made a sandboxed update. If you set square then the label for the reference list entries will be the id. See Template:Listref/reflist/testcases. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:43, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * that's really cool - thanks! Seems as if listref allows everything that scref allowed (and more, clearly). Dsp13 (talk) 16:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * If you are OK with the labels in the reference list then I will update the template. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:32, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * great, and I'll ping TfD now with a squeak of pleasure. Dsp13 (talk) 16:37, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅ ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I updated List of African writers by country— is this what you want? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:54, 15 September 2011 (UTC)List of African writers by country


 * yes, that looks fine to me. Thanks again for taking the trouble. Dsp13 (talk) 18:02, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:HD/like
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TfD of Template:Cquote
I cannot believe you are seriously pulling a WP:POINT. That some editors are idiots and misuse a tool is no reason to delete the tool, it is a reason to educate them and ensure correct usage. This template has many uses, such as in talk pages and in the Wikipedia namespace, to which WP:MOSQUOTE doesn't apply. This is a pointless deletion discussion and I suggest you withdraw it.--Cerejota <sup style="position:relative">If you reply, please place a talkback in my talk page if I do not reply soon. 00:16, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * This belongs on the TfD page. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 01:15, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I already commented there, this was a direct appeal to you. This is a SNOW keep.--Cerejota <sup style="position:relative">If you reply, please place a talkback in my talk page if I do not reply soon.  02:06, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Only if you are counting snouts. Consensus is not built by "I like it" and "I agree with him". I suggest reading Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions and Arguments to make in deletion discussions. If is a snowball keep, one of the TfD admins will close it as such in a timely manner. You may have noted my appeals for examples of proper uses of a pull quote in an encyclopedia article. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 02:12, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You may also note that this is not used only in article name space, an important consideration. However, none of the "snouts" counted are using "illegal" arguments, and your implication that they are is telling me you do not understand TfD, which is different from other XfDs. This was better raised as an RfC at the village pump before TfD.--Cerejota <sup style="position:relative">If you reply, please place a talkback in my talk page if I do not reply soon. 02:26, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak or irrelevant perhaps, but I certainly never stated illegal. Please provide a significant use outside article space that could not be replaced by or quote. If you have a relevant argument, please make it in the TfD. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 02:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

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I want to apologise for my "pissed off" remarks during the TFD. I can only hope that people forget what was said or else didn't take opinion about a dinky template seriously (they shouldn't).

I saw that you build much of the core templates on WP. Do you have time to reply to this request at Talk:India and fix the underlying issue? As I said there, I don't know how to fix it. We'd really appreciate it. If you see other things that can be fixed up at India, that would be wonderful as well. Thanks. Saravask 04:08, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Hcref
I closed this, could you take care of switching these to a more widely used citation method? Thanks! Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Finished the articles yesterday. Will work other uses. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 23:08, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

sfn/sfnRef and square brackets
Hi. I see you're deeply into the cite templates and their doc; you're linked from them, have subpages about them. So, I hope you can help with a problem I've encountered.

Some sites use square-brackets in what we should be using as the proper page title; NavWeaps.com, in this case. See the recent edits to USS Texas (1892) and to a lesser degree USS Maine (ACR-1). Both of these pages have cites to pages with titles containing square brackets. For the cite web template itself, using nowiki-tags around part of the title works fine (there seem to be a bunch of pages that need this fixed). For use with template:sfn/template:sfnRef I've had trouble. I'd /like/ the following to work, but it doesn't. I've tried some of the options on the doc page and have gone with substituting paren for the brackets for the moment. Some other editor took one of these the just-drop-the-brackets route. Both are less than satisfactory. Is there a way to get sfn/sfnRef to work properly with embedded pairs of brackets, hopefully without too much ugly code the article ;)

<pre style="overflow:scroll;"> The ship had guns.

—Portuguese Man o' War 23:34, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

You are making this complicated. Normally you would use author-date, but there if there is no author, use work-date. Since we have multiple uses of the same year, add an alpha suffix:

However, there is an author: Tony DiGiulian is listed on the home page. So we would have:

If you look at the markup, you will see that I used work, since the website is like a book, and pages are chapters. I also dropped the .com, as the home page title isn't using it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 01:09, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Sturmvogel 66 did not want NavWeaps.com as the work due to it getting italicised; it's on my talk, and I reverted that back. I follow the a,b,c... approach but don't believe a year is always available or know if DiGiulian is the author of everything on that site. I've left Sturmvogel a note asking for input. I still hope the square brackets can be made to work, but don't want to be making the wiki-text ugly. If one of the a,b,c approaches is acceptable, Bob's your uncle... —Portuguese Man o' War 01:49, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You can use ASCII for the brackets: see ASCII. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 01:58, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * &#91;encoded, I assume.&#93; I'd not thought of that; off to give it a try. Thanks you. —Portuguese Man o' War 02:06, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * and it worked. These same two are used in the USS Maine and I can drop them right in. The encoding is a bit ugly, but I was more concerned about a long encoded #CITEREFlink. I'll do other stuff until Sturmvogel comments. Thanks, again. —Portuguese Man o' War 02:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

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Template Tfd in Cref2
Would you be OK with changing the "type=" parameter on the Tfd template in Cref2 to "type=tiny" or maybe even "type=disabled" pending the outcome of WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 October 4? It makes any infoboxes that are using Cref2s look really bad. Thanks. Mojoworker (talk) 21:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like you're offline, and I'm about to head out the door, so I went ahead and changed it to type=tiny. I hope I didn't step on your toes with that edit &mdash; if so, feel free to revert it.  Thanks. Mojoworker (talk) 22:00, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Cite journal
Hi Gadget850. I just wanted to let you know that I have reverted your recent change to Template:Cite journal because it appears to be causing the references to be displayed incorrectly. The text "PS=" was appearing in multiple locations within the reference. You might want to also check the other templates that you recently edited to make sure the problem doesn't occur there also. Thanks. -- Ed (Edgar181) 18:25, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick fix! -- Ed (Edgar181) 18:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Your recent edit to Template:Cite_journal
Hi, just wanted to let you know that your recent edit to this template had an error. You seem to have accidentally removed the | symbol before the PS on the line you edited, which breaks the markup. I would fix this myself, but the template's fully protected and I'm not an admin. I'm about to go mention this on the template talk page, but thought I'd give you a heads-up first in case you were still online. Scog (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Never mind, looks like Ed got there first. Scog (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Two Eds are better than one. Thanks to both of you for catching my goof. And yes, I checked my other edit and it was OK. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 18:30, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And now the template's broken again.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:31, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Cite video
Hey, Gadget850. Although this is probably not news to you, you have, after a month or so, received some feedback on your proposed changes to Template:Cite video. I personally believe that the implementation of your changes would not elicit much controversy, as they are all justified and judicious, and that you should go ahead and try them out. But, of couse, you never know with Wikipedia.–RalfiParpa (talk) 19:25, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I was going to work it last week, but the 1.18 update got me tied up working some issues. I'm back on track now and will work it in a day or two. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 20:45, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like you're not getting much more feedback on it. Perhaps you should ask for some? (I've notified Grapple X.)–RalfiParpa (talk) 07:02, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Help:Citation Style 1
Hi, re Help:Citation Style 1 The documentation for implies that some journals have more than one sequence for volume or issue numbers, and that the series is used to distinguish. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * series: When the source is part of a series.


 * Thanks! Updated with a Chicago 16 ref. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 12:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Gadget850/FAQ/Language
Thanks for the reference to the language stats. I suggest making it more clear that this page states the opinion of one user. "FAQ" sounds authoritative and new users may not know the significance of userspace. As an editor I sometimes have to navigate a Wikipedia in a language I don't know, for example to investigate cross-language issues or help desk posts. In such cases it can be very helpful to select English interface in that language. Happy‑melon made a similar point at Village pump (technical)/Archive 93.

As discussed at Village pump (technical), I think the important difference between en and en-gb at the English Wikipedia is that en-gb messages are rarely created or edited (the MediaWiki default may be used in all but a handful of cases), so they can become obsolete when en messages are modified.

Regarding Template:Myprefs, the anchor names for the tabs were changed in MediaWiki 1.18. The numbers no longer work but the template should probably continue to allow them. Maybe it should also allow the displayed tab name as parameter so template users can copy-paste the tab from their preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A suggestion for this page: the language setting also affects other aspects of the display. Consider the tab found on discussion pages which starts a new thread. The title of this tab varies by skin (as seen with other tabs like "watch") but also varies by language setting:


 * -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Mixing Template:citation with those others
Hi Gadget; other than the doc page for, where is it laid down that can't be mixed with ///etc.? See User talk:Citation bot. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I have simply codified a practice that has been ongoing. You will find that this comes up in FAC fairly often— I would have to dig around a bit. Here are examples of a citation using citation and cite book:



The only difference is in punctuation. Yes, you can change the punctuation, but in practice no one does. Other than the ref anchor, there is no difference in output. Since both sets of templates exist and do the same thing there is no reason to choose one over the other except for consistency within an article, per WP:CITEVAR. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:29, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you misunderstand - I'm aware of the diffs, also that it's a convention that we don't mix. The thing is, when I explain to others why it shouldn't be done, I wish to be able to point to an explicit policy or guideline; otherwise it may be perceived as me pushing my own personal preference. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * A consistent style should be used within any given article..." — Citing sources. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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United States Minor Outlying Islands group in Template:United States topic
This group was summarily removed, and I've restored it. Now there's:
 * Template talk:United States topic

I found these, one of which was just redirected (and restored):
 * History of Serranilla Bank
 * History of Palmyra Atoll

Do you know how to find just what articles are actually being navigated to via this group in the template? And see: User talk:Dr. Blofeld.

Alarbus (talk) 13:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * History of Serranilla Bank is half-way to Articles for deletion/History of Serranilla Bank (still red). Alarbus (talk) 13:25, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Using WP:AWB: United States topic is used directly or through another template in 1859 articles. 93 articles directly use United States topic with exclude-isl. 177 templates use United States topic, and 44 include exclude-isl. There are probably a lot of templates that should exclude these islands, such as CrimeUS. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 14:42, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll post this there. I see little issue with pages excluding this group for currently being full of redlinks. There is the probability such exclusions will mask links to article the later get created; a better implementation would entail detecting all-red and suppressing in that case. Alarbus (talk) 04:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That could be done with #ifexist. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I expect so. I'm picturing a rats-nest of nested conditionals, in both the group and list, for each of the dozen or so item. Meanwhile, the guy pissed about the flatlist discussion, is intent on deleting the extant stubs that would be involved in order to cut the group4. What a conflict-rich place. Alarbus (talk) 12:35, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi, again. Could you please review this discussion between User:Night w and myself, and these diffs that I gave there? The discussions re flatlist are at Template_talk:Navbox (several section), and there's more at User talk:Chipmunkdavis.

Thank you. Alarbus (talk) 14:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

cite video game
Thanks for the attempt even if it ultimately failed. At least, if we try this again in the future we won't have to start so far back. ∞ 陣  内  Jinnai  17:44, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Merit badges
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 * Awhile back, I posted a thread about progression of required merit badges; wondering whether (if anywhere) the info should go. Since you're kinda the head honcho in all things merit badges, I'd like your imput  Purpleback  pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  23:36, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

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I have a query over at Template talk:Cite map that I think you can help solve. Thanks.  Imzadi 1979  →   23:43, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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Re Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting move request
As a admin who monitors RMs, I see where you wieghed in on this RM, but your position was unclear. Do you oppose the move and prefer a merge discussion or do you support the move with a subsequent merge discussion? Please clarify at the RM. Thanks --Mike Cline (talk) 16:58, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Sfn and SfnRef
Hi, Gadget850. I like Sfn and SfnRef. But (? a recent changes to the template) the template now shows red error message which hide the article's content. The SfnRef template also fails to understand the refbegin + refend combination. Please give this quickly. You see an example at User:Philcha/Sandbox/MOO 2 - 3. --Philcha (talk) 23:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * No problems with the templates, but in the markup you are using. Two templates were closed with a single }. You really need to read the SfnRef documentation— I don't understand what you are trying to do with it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 23:27, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a duplicate of a thread raised at Template talk:Sfn and I think that per WP:MULTI, discussion should be in one place only. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:04, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Gadget850, thanks for fixingg some of my error. I think I can fix the other, is more appear to inconsistencies in naming citation. --Philcha (talk) 04:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

File:All-Ukrainian organization Sich (Січ).gif
Can you make a clear-background png of this one? Thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:55, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

HD/shout template
I took your advice and wrote a draft at template:HD/shout of a stock message for please not in all caps. Thanks for the advice... how does the draft look? RJFJR (talk) 16:20, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks very much for your help with Millennium Park Map! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:51, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:Citation/core/sandbox
Had to undo your sandboxing for an active editprotected request; the editor stuff you were working on is of course still there in the history. Your last changes were 2 days ago, so I didn't think you'd mind, but wanted to let you know in case you didn't noticed and started editing it again. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 21:09, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, still trying to work through some coding. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 21:24, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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