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Quote Parameter in citations
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Hi. Care to help explain the advantages of efn? (and sorry if my little joke wasted a bit of time; I really expected it to be obviously just for fun). Alarbus (talk) 17:21, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
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help using cite video with multiple facts
Hi Gadget. Can you advise user Sp33dyphil on how to use the cite video template in combination with sfn or the like? IOW, say he has a documentary (making of Terminator 2) and wants to cite different facts from different parts of the video. Is it possible to do a refs and bibliography similat to what we do with books and such?

Sorry if this question is imprecise, but can you help him? I know you are the guy on this stuff!

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 * Where is this discussion? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:18, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Link to article:  IRC request on the problem (as written above).TCO (Reviews needed) 15:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Now redirects to main article. Not sure where that is going there. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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help using cite video with multiple facts
Hi Gadget. Can you advise user Sp33dyphil on how to use the cite video template in combination with sfn or the like? IOW, say he has a documentary (making of Terminator 2) and wants to cite different facts from different parts of the video. Is it possible to do a refs and bibliography similat to what we do with books and such?

Sorry if this question is imprecise, but can you help him? I know you are the guy on this stuff!

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 * Where is this discussion? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:18, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Link to article:  IRC request on the problem (as written above).TCO (Reviews needed) 15:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Now redirects to main article. Not sure where that is going there. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about reinstating the archived discussion. Please let me brief you on what's going. I'm using a video about the creation of Terminator 2: Judgment Day on the article's "Production" section. Since I plan to cite the video multiple times, TCO had suggested to me to use the, or a similar template, so that I can enter the exact video time during which a particular quote took place. TCO and I aren't aware of any; do you know what to do in this case? Do I simply just use  and not enter the video times into the reference? --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 22:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC) nowiki>


 * This little different from page numbers— see User:Gadget850/FAQ/Page numbers in references for different methods of including page numbers. Cite video supports time which is exactly the same as at for other templates. If you decide to use shortened footnotes, then sfn supports loc where you can add the time. Remember that using shortened footnotes requires consensus to change the citation style. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 22:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 03:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Ed
Hiya. Is "Ed" a name by which you may be referred? Examples: "Hello, Ed. How are you?" or "Support per Ed's comments above." etc.? Just wondering for future reference.  fredgandt  22:42, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, Ed is my first name. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 09:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Thanks.  fredgandt  11:41, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject ???/Help
I see your the help guy! Was wondering if you like and have some time- If you would look at a few pages (all the same copy and pasted version that a few Wikiprojects have adopted) that could realy use some edits by someone familiar with the help type pages. Perhaps a new section above Tips with link to the various HELP namespace pages? Just would need to update one page if you like I will copy and past to all the others. See WikiProject Canada/Help - WikiProject United States/Help - WikiProject Australia/Help - WikiProject Latin America/Help - WikiProject Animation/Help.Moxy (talk) 03:17, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Questions re "Ging gang goolie" on Help Desk page referred to this User talk?
Hi Gadget850! Shall I understand that the two principle questions re unveiling myths (using OR since the previously presented "facts" have not been OR-ed from the very start, respectively possible subscription means to propagate Wiki-content) shall be discussed here? Fyi, I have commented upon the "we" concern on the Help Desk page (explained in the Background subsection of our posting to Discussion of the "Ging gang goolie" article)Brommabo (talk) 09:10, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Venture Patrols
You probably know this and it doesn't effect the revert that you did on Varsity Scouting (Boy Scouts of America) but Scouting has had Venture patrols which are part of the traditional BSA Troop program (and could be considered Venture Scouting), though I don't personally know of any troops that have a venture patrol :). -- Trödel  23:05, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The added text was changed from "Boy Scouting and Exploring" to "Boy, Varsity, and Venture Scouting." The paragraph clearly starts in the 1970s, before the introduction of Varsity teams and Venture crews in the troop (which started around the same time). The BSA does not use the term Venture Scout, although is it used incorrectly by others in reference to Venture patrols or Venturing. And yes, the use of the similar terms Venture and Venturing to mean different programs is confusing. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 23:57, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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Template:Cite journal
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RefToolbar
Hi! It seems to me that you understand something about this. Is it possible to add some more fields? I'm interested to add "Authot" parameter to at least "Web" section (the first one). I use RefToolbar 1.0 (here is my js file). Could you help me? Or if not, than maybe suggest somebody who could help? --Edgars2007  (Talk/Contributions) 17:29, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not really a JavaScript programmer. Do you realize that last and author are aliases and render the exact same visual and medatadata? As do last1, author1 through last9, author9. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks! --<font color="FF6600">Edgars2007  (Talk/Contributions) 17:47, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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Doc pages in template sandbox
Gadget, re - the problem with removing the <noinclude ></noinclude> from a template sandbox is that you no longer have the diff link for comparing the sandbox to main. Another problem is that when updating main from sandbox, you then need to remember to restore the <noinclude ></noinclude> rather than do a straight copy. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I did that deliberately while I am troubleshooting a problem. When you check used templates, templates used on the doc page are include. I will fix it when I finish. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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Merger discussion
You may be interested in this discussion.<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:46, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview
Dear Gadget850,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

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If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

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Burnham
Thanks, I saw the comments. I'll go through the problems identified and make the adjustments. The HTML source the admin identified won't work for finding page numbers, but I have a first edition of the the Harding-Davis book and I'll use it to cite the pages. Ctatkinson (talk) 15:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Good. I wasn't very involved with content, mostly technical fixes. I know where this leaked in and I am going to have to check other articles. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:25, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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Citation template help
Hello! I've seen your name on several edits to the citation templates in Wikipedia, so I'm hoping you can help me.

Back in the day, citations listed under the "References" section of Wikipedia used to include the url to the source at the very end of the citation. Here's an example of this in action on a wiki I'm using: http://limswiki.org/index.php/Data_analysis

Note in that example the URL appearing again at the end. It's my understanding that the templates on that wiki site were based on Wikipedia's, but I'm not sure. Point being, I've tried my darndest to discover what template I need to manipulate to remove that extra untitled URL from the citation. I thought it was citation/core, but I think it goes deeper. I'm a bit confused by the patchwork of templates, and I was hoping you might have insight into what I need to edit. At a minimum, I just need to know what template(s) to look at specifically to alter the appearance of the citations in the "References" section.

If you can't help me, could you please suggest a user who understands how the citation templates work? Thanks so much for your time.

Shawn - Lostraven (talk) 22:58, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I think you need to update MediaWiki:Common.css:

The second URL should show only when you print, otherwise it should be hidden. You have .cite instead of the .citation class. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 23:30, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Wow! I don't think I would have ever found that. I would have kept digging around in templates thinking it was a template issue. Changing that line indeed resolved this issue. Today I learned...

Thanks for taking the time to reply to this. I know you didn't have to look at that, but you did. I'd buy you a beer if I could. Thanks again.

Shawn - Lostraven (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Took me a bit to figure that out, so I am documenting the CSS at Citation/core. There are related rules in MediaWiki:Common.css, such as citation target highlighting. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 18:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:cite news/doc
Hello Gadget; thank you for your edits. I've temporarily rolled-back Template:cite news/doc as it appears to have dropped a large amount of newspaper-specific material, which I suspect was probably not intentional (I've checked the Talk page and can't see anything there, so my apologies if I've missed a larger discussion/decision somewhere else). —Sladen (talk) 17:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * What is missing? What can be tweaked at csdoc? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Good question; I can look in more detail over the weekend at the new templates.  In particular; the previous (more detailed) wording was in the middle of being discussed at User talk:Sladen (which is the reason why I noticed so quickly).  This particular   entry contained guidance specific to  (vs. generic /).  In these cases is may/may not be a good idea to combine the help information across all uses unless there is a method by which the specific use-case guidance can also be offered. —Sladen (talk) 08:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I am dropping updates to cite news for now and removing it from my watch list. I will check back in a few months and see how it compares to the other templates. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 09:36, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Gadget, could you please explain what you were trying to do here? I don't understand what the code is all about but, like Sladen, I am concerned about losing some guidelines that I think are very important. -- Alarics (talk) 10:57, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The documentation for the series of templates has been tweaked per template util it has drifted. I have been using Citation Style documentation to create consistent documentation pages. Cite news is the only one of the 18 templates left, and I will look back on it few months. I presume you are referring to guidelines interpreted by templates, as templates don't set guidelines.  ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Pretty much completed the updates on the other 17 templates. Cite news is on my to-do list to revisit in July. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 18:12, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant the guidelines for using the templates. For instance, telling people not to use the "publisher" parameter for the name of the publication; and that the place of publication should be given if it is not already part of the name of the publication. These are very important, as also is the clarification that some parameters are essential while others are optional. All this, which is special to "cite news", disappeared in the edit you made which Sladen then reverted (and despite your reply to my question, I still don't understand what you were trying to do). -- Alarics (talk) 22:50, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Citation Style documentation is being used to build consistent documentation pages for templates. Take a look at the template documentation as it was. Regardless, I am out of cite news for now— plenty on my to do list.---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 23:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I really don't want to get sucked into this right now, but let me try to elaborate a bit.

Here is the current description of title for :

Here is (where  is a shortcut for )

If we want to add the advice on capitalization, then we browse to scroll down to title_italics and click on [edit subtemplate], edit as needed, save and all uses are now updated.

And now that I look at it, the current description of date is both lacking and misleading:

Where gives:

If you take a look at Citation Style documentation, you will see that it allows for a variety of parameter descriptions, depending on the citation template.

And I was going to propose a column parameter for cite news that would be pretty easy to implement.

---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 00:27, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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Geographic features and Rayado Program merge
Discussion for merging Baldy, Mt Phillips, the Tooth, and Urraca into the Location and geography section as well as Rayado Program into the Rayado Program subsection of Philmont Scout Ranch is now on the PSR talk page here and here. ZybthRanger(talk) (contribs) 14:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


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Why full links rather than wikilinks
I am cleaning up http: links to protocol relative links, and see at MediaWiki:Cite_error_group_refs_without_references [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Cite_error_group_refs_without_references&diff=next&oldid=313176594] that we are not only not protocol relative, but we also aren't using internal wikilinks. Any reason why we went that way? Nothing springs to my mind. — billinghurst  sDrewth  02:50, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you edit the page you will get an editnotice that leads you to . ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 02:56, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * )-: okay, I have just updated to protocol relative. mw:Extension:Cite really needs a thorough reaming as it is buggy in several places. Thanks. — billinghurst  sDrewth  03:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * OK; double checked and the link works. BTW: cite.php is a shortcut that gives . ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 10:51, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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I have expanded Template:HD/redirect and mentioned it at User talk:Mdennis (WMF). PrimeHunter (talk) 02:20, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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Martin
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a better citation footnote template
User:CharlesGillingham's, not mine. I think it would be great if you, Rich Farmbrough, Thumperward, and Plastikspork all participated and got this going with all nits resolved. Alarbus (talk) 01:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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Superfluous link?
Hi, re - what is the difference between MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js and MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js? -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Copied something wrong, now I have to dig back again. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 19:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

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List TOC
Your 'List TOC' template looks good to me. Thanks for asking. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I relisted the ColorTOC discussion to allow for more comment on the new List TOC. Thanks for taking the time to create it. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)  14:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Heh. I was just about to create a custom template for a list article when I stumbled over that TfD. I think this is better. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 14:38, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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There was no justification for user:Tawker to have speedy deleted this file. It was a perfect svg representation (not "older" as claimed) of the Scouts Canada emblem. Emblems are used in infoboxes, not "logos" or current branding. Nothing was significantly different from the smaller, lower quality logo being foisted now. Please restore it, and consider the Scouting WPMOS, which is aiming toward svgification of all Scout national emblems. Again, a discussion was warranted before user:Tawker did this unilateral move. The emblem _was_ in use, and was deleted without proper discussion. Please restore.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:48, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Cite error: Invalid ref name=... ... /ref
Hi, Gadget850. I'm getting
 * Cite error: Invalid ref tag; no text was provided for refs named ManualMOOIIa1; see Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text - ? references?
 * Cite error: Invalid ref tag; no text was provided for refs named 144-145.2Civ; see Help:Cite errors/Cite
 * Cite error: Invalid ref tag; no text was provided for refs named iv.2C93; see Help:Cite errors Cite error references no text
 * Lost Empire: Immortals (2008).Cite error: Closing ref missing for ref tag; see the help page (unlike games such as Space Empires or Master of Orion III) where interstellar travel is possible only or mainly via "wormholes"
 * uncreative race will be left in a completely hopeless position, but looks rather odd. Cite error: ref tag with name "MOOIIManual" defined in references is not used in prior text;
 * ManualMOOII|144-145,iv}} - Victory conditions - Antaran homeworld (via a Dimensional Portal)

If I've got the wrong Gadget, please redirect to the right person and send a message to my Talk. --Philcha (talk) 09:00, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You simply cannot just copy and past into a discussion; please learn to use the tag template. OK: you refactored this yourself.
 * I have no specific clue where you are seeing these errors. Your last edits were to User:Philcha/Sandbox/MOO 2 - 9, which has a number of cite errors.
 * You need to read Help:Footnotes. You need to read the help page for each of the error messages.
 * I will be glad to help you with specific errors, but you have to give me enough details to work with. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 09:05, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

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"My sandbox" is new, right? I like it, where was it announced or discussed? Speciate (talk) 15:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
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I like the User:Gadget850/Template/cite isbn concept if it were able to have the fields filled out from a reliable source of isbn data. WorldCat would be good. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:59, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It would need a bot for that; not one of my skills. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 00:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

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Forked template

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It seems to me that this is an inappropriate fork of sfn. I don't really care about a stop or not on the end of footnotes. The project has more pressing issues. Both aspects of this are getting away from the concept of short footnotes; the added "." and the added "/ps". Things should be consolidating on consistent ways of doing things, not fragmenting off into myriad variations.

As as substantial duplication of {sfn}, {sfn/ps} may qualify as a WP:CSD. I even considered tagging it, but figured best to ask here. I'm going to point Thumperward at this thread, too. I really don't think forking templates to get rid of a mere stop is appropriate. Alarbus (talk) 10:41, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe if its /doc illustrated a better use than "."? — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿ ¤ þ  Contrib.  18:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Very important Help
Hi. I am editing the template "cite web" in another wiki but when I show the results, something like this appears:

http://www.google.com

I do not understand why the web link appears again in the end (http://www.google.com). Can you help me with my trouble?

I wish to thank you very much with any help you can give to me

Thanks a lot,

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 * You need to update your MediaWiki:Common.css per Template:Citation/core. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for the help! Best regards, Ricardo Ferreira de Oliveira (talk) 21:06, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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Is Category:Citation Style 1 specific-source templates intended to be a "list" category of all such templates, or a "browse" category with templates in subcats? I added Category:Cue sports source templates (itself having a Category:Snooker source templates subcat) to because they're all in CS1 format, assuming "browse" mode, but I'm thinking it probably is intended to be in "list" modes, so I should undo that an add   to all template templates indivdually, yes? (A Shoutbox msg. at my talk is requested if you reply; I don't watchlist user talk pages because my WL is over 5,000 items, so I wouldn't notice the reply anyway, probably). — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿ ¤ þ  Contrib.  18:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * List. There is every potential for someone to create a non-compliant template for that series of sources. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 21:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. Will fix. I left a reply to you at my talk about the other thing. — SMcCandlish    Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿ ¤ þ  Contrib.  07:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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Please undelete Template:Citation Style documentation/issue, as it is used as part of the documentation for Template:Citation. It may very well be used for other docs, but it is used in the doc for the major template Template:Citation. Thanks. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 19:01, 7 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Removed from the doc page. Issue is now under periodical, as it is a conditional; i.e. issue only shows if one of the periodical parameters is set. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 19:10, 7 April 2012 (UTC)


 * If the parameter is not explained, then the parameter should not be there at all. It is important that the parameter be explained, because the parameter is there and is useful. Please undelete it instead. Thanks. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 19:21, 7 April 2012 (UTC)


 * See Template:Citation/doc which documents issue. As Template:Citation/doc explains, child parameters (secondary bullets) are dependent upon the parent parameter. In this case, issue if work is not defined. There is no need for a separate explanation of issue. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 20:52, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, in, you've marked year as deprecated - but it's shown on the template's doc page, so people are using it. There are now hundreds of pages showing in that definitely weren't there when I did  yesterday. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


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I'm stuck! I can't see why this article is in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting. I did spot that you couldn't jump from "Sinclair 1911" in footnotes 2, 3 and 5 down to the "Sinclair" line in the "Attribution" section. I managed to fix that with an edit to. But the article stayed in the error category. Any ideas? -- John of Reading (talk) 11:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you for helping with Mounted Boy Scout Troop 290. How have you been? Pumpkin Sky  talk  23:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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Multiple uses of reflist
You may be interested in the explanation at Village pump (technical). After finding the problem I looked for documentation and found Template:Reflist, Help:Footnotes, Help talk:Footnotes/Archive 1, User:Gadget850/Multiple uses of reflist. So the problem and a solution was known but maybe not the precise cause of the problem. I guess it can only be fixed by a MediaWiki change to transclude again instead of copy when references are rendered by a template without parameters. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:11, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is a bug report on this. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:47, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * That page is on my watch list. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 18:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


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How did happen? I have never seen somebody use Unsigned in their own post. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:54, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Cut and paste from another post I did earlier today. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 01:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, that makes sense. I wondered whether you used a strange tool which detected the post was unsigned and then added Unsigned instead of signing it. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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I've replied at Village pump (technical). The Transhumanist 11:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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Errors by script? This edit produced several problems (de-capitalizing proper names, de-linking relevant terms, removing non-breaking spaces per WP:DASH) and null edits (inserting spaces between a bullet and the beginning of text in a list) without a clear purpose as far as I can see. This seems to be done through (semi-)automation, so you really need to stop and review how this script/shell/etc. works, since it is not operating properly. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:37, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
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Hola amigo. I believe some of the refs are majorly incomplete, but I can't decide the extent of completeness. Can you tag the incomplete refs, so that I can start making them complete? Also, I think some of the ref templates used have empty fields in them. Can you help by removing unnecessary empty fields? I hope I am not pestering too much. Aditya (talk • contribs) 13:06, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


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Hi. I just stumbled into this new suite of 'fast' templates. They're fast because they're cut down, and I'm seeing them break pages they've been deployed to; specifically breaking harv/sfn links. Where's the most centralised page to discuss this? I'm not against faster, but am opposed to breakage and forking. The usual templates are too fat, and slimming them down would be good. These I believe go too far. Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 04:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
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Following the TfD to not use the above suite but to seek to improve the standard templates, Wikid77 has simply switched template names and posted a version of his reduced feature code as cite quick. I think he's into blockable WP:IDHT level disruption. Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 22:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * He is pretty sharp technically, but horrible at communicating. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 22:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * He would be useful, if he would collaborate. I think the prior TfD directly applies to this new variant. The ploy here seems to be to begin the template name with "cite" so as to be a part of that suite. Polemic name, really; we don't cite "quicks", we cite books, journals (and endless crappy websites;). Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 22:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It is an good idea (see my todo list at the top right). I would have called it or some such. My thought was to make a lite core that was compatible with the main core. But the more I document the current core, the more I realize how complex it is with dependencies: the date moves based on the presence of authors and when a periodical is defined, all sorts of things happen. We do have a number of cite templates that are not compatible with any of the styles. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 22:36, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't like any of the 'lite' approach at all. This is a camel's nose that could undermine the whole concept of structured citations. We don't want a significantly reduced parameter set, we want a robust set. This is demagoguery. That's why he won't talk with the technical people and lives on Jimmy's talk page. His snake oil is "fast", but at a cost many will not understand. If these get deployed there will be endless lost parameters as the unknowing simply "use the quick one".
 * I don't care a whit about where the date appears, if there are commas, or periods. None of that matters. It's all driven by near religious adherence to styles hammered into people by schools. The cite/citation divergence needs to merge and crap like the ps= dropped. There probably are a few {cite xxx} that should be dispensed with. I occasionally run into some new (old) weird one. Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


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List of Eagle Scouts
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Keeping Citation/core perhaps another year
I cannot see any technical way to replace Template:Citation/core (due to complexity of numerous options being used) in less than 1 year (minimum), or perhaps 2 years. There has been a lot of wild speculation, such as using Lua to replace {Citation/core} "overnight" at the end of this year. Also, some people imagine that the Fcite templates will supercede and deprecate all {Citation/core} usage, but there is just no way to quickly redo those 23 {Cite_encyclopedia}, {Cite_press_release}, {Cite_news}, etc. Meanwhile, Template:Fcite_web is only intended to improve speed in major articles (perhaps 500), where edit-preview had exceeded 10-45 seconds. Some people seem to think, "Wow, if the speed is better, let's bot-edit everything immediately" without considering how many thousands of the 1.6 million articles which use {Citation/core} are running rare options, and already reformat the article within 5 seconds anyway. Hopefully, the Fcite templates can take the "target off the back of {Citation/core}" in major articles, so that it can be improved, or rewritten, in a careful manner during the next year. -Wikid77 (talk) 13:40, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


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I am going to gently remind you "Administrators should not protect or unprotect a page to further their own positions in content disputes." Because I have some concerns based on your comments, recent actions, and history involving the Boy Scouts Article. I have raised wp:NPOV and WP:COI concerns with the recent dispute. One editor made 3 reverts in about 29 hours, and then has run around making accusation of warring when they are clearly at the epicenter. Either way that is not the point. If this article requires any further admin intervention, I would hope it is by another admin for the time being. I am not making any direct accusations as others have in this article, I just giving you the courtesy to notify of my concerns and certainly leaving the door open for you to explain yourself. From my perspective I would be at ease if you recuse yourself from this dispute and allow another editor who does not have ties to the article an opportunity to intervene.--0pen$0urce (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * As the lead coordinator for WikiProject Scouting, I have tried to stay out of this particular issue. It is my responsibility to ensure that the articles under the project's purview remain stable. No one has violated 3RR yet, otherwise I would take this to Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. I protected the article for 24 hours so that editors would cool off and discuss. If this does not work, I will push for mediation. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 21:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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Template troubles
Hi Gadget, I remember you were able to work some magic on the animal rights template when it wasn't collapsing properly. I was wondering if I could ask you to look at another one I'm trying to create. It's about an aspect of the Holocaust, still in userspace at User:SlimVirgin/template.

I'm trying to create a collapsible timeline, but I can't find a way to make the text left aligned. If you click on "show" the timeline, you'll see that it's all centred, which looks very messy. Do you have any idea how to fix that? The template I'm using is Template:Sidebar with collapsible lists. I've been fiddling with it for ages (just using preview), but I'm stumped. Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 20:36, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * How now? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 23:09, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * That's great, thank you. I was tearing my hair out trying to find ways to place "left-align," and it was either making no difference, or it was placing the whole template on the left of the page. You really do know your magic! It's very much appreciated. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:26, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

TfD for new Cite_web/smart
I am contacting you, per wp:CANVAS, after contacting mostly negative or positive editors, as a user previously neutral about quick, fast citation templates, in considering the latest TfD discussion. In this case, the template {Cite_web/smart} is finally the big upgrade to entirely replace {Cite_web} with a faster version that carefully checks the parameters to only invoke {Citation/core} for any rare parameters, else quickly formats a cite. See TfD of 11 August 2012:
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This notice is only an FYI, as announcing the discussion under way. Feel free to oppose the template, support the template, ignore the discussion, or even delete this message. The TfD just started, so there should be, at least, 7 days to consider the issues. Thanks. -Wikid77 (talk) 21:17, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

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Eagle Scout is the highest rank attainable in the Boy Scouting program division of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA). Since it was first awarded to Arthur Eldred (pictured) on August 21, 1912, Eagle Scout has been earned by more than two million young men. As of 2012, requirements include earning at least 21 merit badges, demonstrating Scout Spirit, leadership, service and performing an Eagle Scout Service Project. Eagle Scouts are presented both a medal and badge that visibly recognize the accomplishments of the Scout. Eagle Palms are a further recognition, awarded for completing additional tenure, leadership and merit badge requirements. The Distinguished Eagle Scout Award (DESA) is bestowed to Eagle Scouts for nationally renowned distinguished service in their profession and to the community for a period of at least 25 years after earning the Eagle Scout rank. The National Eagle Scout Association Outstanding Eagle Scout Award is bestowed to Eagle Scouts who have distinguished themselves at a local-to-regional level or who have not yet met the 25 year tenure requirement to be considered for a DESA.

Citation/core resistant to improvements
I know we are supposed to fix all the world's problems by magical changes to {Citation/core}, but my recent experiments have shown it to be fairly efficient code. Not much is gained by the risk of tinkering. Plus, {cite_web/smart} works fantastic with current {Citation/core} unchanged. Already, {cite_web/smart} runs 4x faster for short cites, causing big articles to edit-preview 2x faster. Because I know how hard and scary it is to upgrade templates used in over 300,000 articles (or 1.1 million), I think the unchanged {Citation/core} is "good news" and in fact, excellent news. Some basic timings:
 * Calling {Citation/core} directly is nearly 2x faster than {cite_web}.
 * That means {Citation/core} is, already, fairly efficient if used less.
 * When {cite_web/smart} bypasses {Citation/core} for small cites, include-size is saved.
 * Tinkering with {Citation/core} improves speed 25% but raises include-size.
 * Where {cite_web/smart} is not used, raising include-size of {Citation/core} increases risk of template failure, until {cite_book/smart} comes along.

So, now, I am thinking, to test {cite_web/smart} with thorough examples, then #REDIRECT {cite_web} to {cite_web/smart}, while purposely leaving {Citation_core} basically unchanged (except for typical tweaking of formats). Then, the safety net lifeboat: if for any reason, the new {cite_web/smart} cannot continue, then revert the #REDIRECT, and continue the old {Citation/core} knowing that, under the worst conditions, {Citation/core} will still format reliably in the current 1.6 million articles where used. The idea is to minimize risk by changing only 1 major template at a time. In later months, we could introduce improvements to {Citation/core} for the rare-parameter cases, but right now, using {cite_web/smart} is the massive improvement everyone has dreamed of, for all these years, without the nightmare of re-arranging the central formatting style in {Citation/core}, which is excellent if only used a few dozen times per article, while {cite_web/smart} formats all the hundreds of simple cites. The next major step would be a {cite_news/smart} for all those pop-culture articles with 200 citations of {cite_news}, followed by {cite_book/smart} with many transclusions. However, long-term, the "angry mob" is calling for improvements to central {Citation/core}, and some small improvements we can do, but if {cite_web/smart} and others solve the worst problems, then the performance of {Citation/core} is less of a real worry. -Wikid77 (talk) 01:01, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Request for guidance on external links to Operation On-Target
I noticed that you removed the external links to the regional Operation On-Target organization pages with the note "remove non-national links". With the demise of the national Operation On-Target site a few years back, there is no national page to link to, and each state is pretty much on its own. The links I put there were pretty much the totality of what I could locate, so it seemed to me that this set provided the interested reader with a complete picture. How would you suggest I select which external links to select? Macchess (talk) 05:03, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a directory, but the Open Directory Project is. This is similar to the issues with Boy Scouting, where editors were adding links to troops. The external links section now has an ODP link. The ODP is exactly designed to build your directory. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 09:33, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Makes sense to me. I was a dmoz (now ODP) editor for a long time, so I'm somewhat familiar with that - I'll put the regional links there. Also - your deletion comment implied that the (single) national Operation On-Target site would be a suitable external link. In the absence of a current National site, would it be appropriate to link the Internet Archived version (from July 2011) as an external link? ( It is here, if you want to take a look: http://web.archive.org/web/20110717142217/http://www.ontargetbsa.org/ ). That site is very good at explaining what Operation On Target is, . Macchess (talk) 03:54, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

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Can you explain why the postscript parameter is deprecated? The use of. seems quite widespread, for example. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That edit summary is odd— there is no section titled . I probably flubbed a keystroke and that title was in the browser cache. Anyway, I had discussed what that old chunk of doc meant, and no one could come up with a good answer, so it was time for it to go. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


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 * Template talk:Citation/Archive 5. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 10:46, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I can certainly see that all the stuff about plug-ins is not needed, but there are legitimate uses of the postscript parameter, e.g. in quick fixes to make reference lists which use both the cite and the citation templates consistent in style, e.g. with a final full stop. So I'm not convinced that removing the documentation altogether, rather than correcting it, was the best move. Peter coxhead (talk) 15:50, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It's pretty well accepted to not mix and, but if you want to discuss the documentation, let's do it on the template talk. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 18:47, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Although there was nothing about citation consistency:
 * Original: * postscript: Set terminal punctuation. Omit or leave blank to remove the trailing full stop (period). Punctuation specified by this parameter will appear within the cite span, and consequently before any icons added by metadata-using software, e.g. library browser plugins. Hence this parameter should be used instead of manually appending data to the citation. This parameter is ignored if quote is specified, when . is forced.
 * Current: * postscript: The closing punctuation for the citation; defaults to a period (.); if the parameter is present but blank, no terminating punctuation will be used. Ignored if quote is defined.
 * ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 19:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd been away from Wikipedia for a while as was just trying to catch up; my query here wasn't meant to be any kind of criticism of your edit. I will comment on the template talk page as the current documentation appears to be incorrect. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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I'll wait for your reply before I tell the people who I believe might use the script about it. Ryan Vesey 18:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

pmc broken in cite journal
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Can you take a look at User talk:Ryan Vesey and see if you know the solution? It might be something conflicting with the script or it might be the issue I pointed out there. Ryan Vesey 17:41, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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Inclusive Scouting Award knot images and details
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The Bugle: Issue LXXVII, August 2012
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Thank you for telling me how to clear My sandbox so that I could begin a new project. Brad Smith (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


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not sure what happened, but Rind et al. controversy now has an error in the "Ondersma, S.J." citation. Frietjes (talk) 19:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking at it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 19:30, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
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origyear parameter in cite book
Hello. I notice that you have made some changes to Template:Cite book which means that, unlike me, you understand how to do so without destroying the system, so I wonder if I could ask for your help in a problem I had four years ago which was never solved satsfactorily. Cite book has always had a parameter "origyear" where one can specify the original year of publication of a book, as distinct from the publication date of the later edition or reprint which is actually being used by the editor. The origyear parameter appears in square brackets instead of round brackets. Until about four years ago if used it appeared unconditionally, whether or not "year" was also given, but in the restructuring in 2008 this was changed so that if year was absent, origyear was ignored.

I raised the matter at the time, some of which you can see at Template talk:Cite book/Archive 7, but the answer I got was that you shouldn't do that, whereas that didn't solve the backward compatibility point that people (including me) had in good faith done that and it was hardly possible to find all those cases and change them, unless a bot searched the entire database to do so. At least some of these cases remain to this day, where origyear is specified but no date at all is displayed. Would it be possible to do something about it? Thanks SamuelTheGhost (talk) 22:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * origyear in cite book is passed by YearNote to citation/core.


 * You need to make a proposal at Template talk:Citation/core. I have a few thoughts, but let's take this public. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 22:42, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've done so. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 10:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, I see that you have the code which detected accessed in. This parameter is still being added to articles, several times a month; the reason that there are no current uses is because I've cleaned them all up - I got just before you un-deprecated the parameter. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:51, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
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You want to post it under recent deaths, or shall I?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
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With this edit; is "matching other pages" really the desire for our help documentation? :). Don't get me wrong - the documentation should be uniform. But it should be uniformly good, not uniformly obtuse. Ironholds (talk) 10:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * "Further information" doesn't add anything useful. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:11, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it changes the tone of the message from "look at this" to "if you want, look at this". Ironholds (talk) 11:53, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Do as you wish. Make it longer and more verbose. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 12:04, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
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Could you have a look at Cite techreport? It seems that at some point during your editing of this template the two most important parameters (the  that published the report and the   under which it was filed) got removed. I've reintroduced them, but the formatting is not as nice as it was in the older versions. Cheers, —Ruud 00:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * number was already there as an alias for issue. And yes, I missed the institution alias during an update. Pleas explain "formatting is not as nice". ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 01:48, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's customary to format references to technical reports as ". . Technical report . ." The number/identifier assigned to a technical report is not semantically equivalent to the issue number of a journal. More problematically, the example given in the template documentation does not display correctly: the number of the technical report is not outputted anywhere. This likely affects any articles currently using this template as well. —Ruud 16:44, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
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On Path-based strong component algorithm the right-most parenthesis of several inline citations are not being link (unlike the left-most parentheses). Do you think this could have anything to do with these edits? Cheers, —Ruud 21:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Hi, Ed. You are likely not quite the authority for this, but undoubtedly are closer to whoever is than I am. And I would be interested in your views, as this likely involves use of citation templates.

While editing Hockey stick controversy I am frequently running into the "Wikimedia Foundation - Error" message (see WP:WFEM). The message says "server overload", but apparently is triggered when a page is not rendered within ~60 seconds. I finally figured out that my edits are saved, but I am concerned about rendering time. The WFEM page mentions "very slow templates, when used many times per page", but doesn't mention citation templates. (Some of the "See also" topics seem distinctly out of date.)

I extracted the following from the html source (but don't understand it): NewPP limit report Preprocessor visited node count: 176947/1000000 Preprocessor generated node count: 105115/1500000 Post-expand include size: 1492641/2048000 bytes Template argument size: 449802/2048000 bytes Highest expansion depth: 23/40 Expensive parser function count: 1/500

One of the things I'm wondering about is that we have not only a lot of citation templates, but many have wiki-linked parameters. Perhaps those should be pruned? What do you think? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 00:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, I see that you're interested in citations too. I am in the late stage of developing a sources script, and was wondering if you would be interested in being one of my beta-testers. I've written up most of the documentation and built up most of the script functionality. There are already three extensive in-built libraries/vocabularies (1,2,3) which I will continue extending. There's still work to be done to minimise the disruption to existing linkages and optimise the precision in dab. I'd value your input regarding any aspect, whether the documentation, objectives, structure or the library itself, and of course how it works. --  Ohconfucius  ping / poke 08:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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Please take note of MOS:DATEUNIFY which allows YYYY-MM-DD for accessdates and archivedates & WP:DATERET which advises retaining the existing format. In case the script you are using is not compliant with these points, note also that there are scripts which will restore YMD for accessdates & archivedates.--JimWae (talk) 05:51, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Gadget, it seems that there's a HTML error in your signature - please see. Checking carefully, I find that you are essentially using which is forbidden by the very document that you linked to: [http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/syntax.html#misnesting 4.3.1. Misnested tags]. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:14, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
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Please restore deleted page
Please restore the page "Wikipedia talk:Mosnum/proposal on YYYY-MM-DD numerical dates" which you deleted. This is a perennial proposal and it is useful to be able to point to previous debate on the topic. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:18, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Also in view of I consider it a conflict of interest for you to have deleted the proposal. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:23, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Restored Wikipedia talk:Mosnum/proposal on YYYY-MM-DD numerical dates; still garbage. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:29, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Gadget. When (abut 10:30 UTC today) I saw that it had been deleted, I had a look: and it was, as stated above, garbage, which I consider to have fallen within WP:CSD. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going to let him take a look, then wipe it. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:34, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Considering that you took a position in favor of eliminating YYYY-MM-DD dates, even from citations, and that you sometimes use a script which does exactly that (hopefully only when doing so conforms to WP:MOSNUM) I think you are the wrong person to delete it. Also, sometimes quantity has a quality all its own: even if the contents are not a nice, concise representation of any point of view, it illustrates the number of people interested and the willingness of a substantial number of editors to compose a response. Jc3s5h (talk) 16:04, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you actually looked at the page in question? -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:20, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Jc3s5h (talk) 16:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * How is [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Mosnum/proposal_on_YYYY-MM-DD_numerical_dates&action=history one post totalling 192 bytes] an illustration of "the number of people interested and the willingness of a substantial number of editors to compose a response"? -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:57, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That's the talk page. The information is on the project page. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:17, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly. It's the talk page [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Wikipedia_talk:Mosnum/proposal_on_YYYY-MM-DD_numerical_dates that Gadget deleted and restored], therefore it's the talk page that we're discussing here. The project page [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Wikipedia:Mosnum/proposal_on_YYYY-MM-DD_numerical_dates has an empty log] so is outside this discussion. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:33, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but it is now obvious that he isn't going to get it. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:25, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
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Are you pursuing a change in WP:Citation templates article to suggest adding archive date and archive URL too? If you are, thank you, but if you are not, never mind. I'll ask for more opinion and see if there is anything we can do to encourage some more insightful archiving. I just need your answer to make sure I understand you correctly, so I can decide what to do next. Are you changing it? May I have your answer? Anthonydraco (talk) 17:12, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
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Template talk:Citation
Hi Gadget850. I'm finally trying to move away from my addiction to the cite newspaper, book, periodical, web templates (The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse templates?) and towards using only template citation. I've long known I needed to make the move, but have resisted changing my habits. Would you mind looking at the suggestions I posted at Template talk:Citation. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Cite manual
I closed this discussion as merge, so go for it! Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:43, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
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Nomination of Template:Lincoln cabinet sidebar for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Template:Lincoln cabinet sidebar is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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 * Replied on your user page, and will watch there for further discussion. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:49, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback - Editnotices/Namespace/Book talk
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MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references
Someone just pointed out on that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Cite_error_refs_without_references&diff=512245290&oldid=512244781 here] you said the bug wasn't fixed. It looks fixed to me when I try it [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?contexttitle=Foo&input=%3Cref%3Eref%3C%2Fref%3E&removecomments=1#cite_ref-1 like this]; if it's not, please let me know the details. Anomie⚔ 14:24, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You can't tell until you use a wikilink in the MediaWiki page. I restored the MediaWiki page and it now works. Close as fixed. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Err, like [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Cite_error_refs_without_references&diff=527861173&oldid=512245290 this]? Anyway, glad to know it's fixed. Anomie⚔ 15:46, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * We must have conflicted there when I did a restore. Anyway. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:37, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Redirected talk pages
Hi, re - one thing that still amazes me is how newbies manage to find obscure talk page redirects, and post to those. Watchlist aside, I probably only spot the ones where is used - there must be hundreds of others just sitting there unwatched and unnoticed. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I know. Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines attracts a lot of weird crap. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:44, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Same here. I have no clue how that person made it to Template:Coord/display/title, but from there it's obvious that they clicked on the "Submit an edit request" link displayed by Mediawiki:Protectedpagetext. The same tends to happen on some protected or semi-protected guideline pages. In either case, if it's really bad Editnotice might be helpful; log out to see it in action at Template:Reflist, for example. Anomie⚔ 22:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had my finger in that editnotice. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:34, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the "Submit an edit request" link could detect that it's pointing to a redirect, and follow that redirect. Such a posting would at least gain a wider audience, since Template talk:Coord has many more watchers than . -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:41, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea, but I have no clue how to make that work. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:44, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I left a note at MediaWiki talk:Protectedpagetext. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:50, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

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Can you teach me a bit how to work short footnote citation?
I'm sorry to bother you. I assume you followed me to The Matrix article because of my question, but I'm afraid you misunderstand the question here. And I still can't figure out the answer I need. In The Matrix (film) article, I need to use short footnote citation. A user added this:

And it works perfectly. It appears in the ref list right below, then the link in the ref list links to the full citation in the Bibliography section.

I tried something similar, and added:, but it simply doesn't work. It appears in the ref list all right, and if you click the number of this SFN, it links you to the ref list, but the link in the ref list won't lead to/link to the full citation below. Normally, when you click the link in the ref list, it should jump to the full citation and highlights it, but mine doesn't. I believe I messed up the syntax and the template somehow, so the anchor won't work here, unlike the previous user's. Can you help me by telling where I went wrong? People seem to think I simply added the SFN without the full citation below, while the problem is that the link in the ref won't be anchored to the full citation. Anthonydraco (talk) 00:56, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Reference

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 * I fixed your in-text citation to . You have to include the last names of all authors defined by lastn. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:38, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, my dear man. You saved me. Again. May I ask how things went about suggesting archiving in web citation template? Anthonydraco (talk) 06:07, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * And it should use p for a singular page. You were going to discuss implementation. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:42, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Er... I'm not sure I understand what you meant by "You were going to discuss implementation". Me???? You mean you? Anthonydraco (talk) 00:07, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied on that talk page. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:44, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I'm afraid you lost me again. When you said you replied, you mean you answered my SFN question or the suggestion that someone fix citation templates? Just to cut the chase, can you direct me to the talk page you're referring to? >_< Anthonydraco (talk) 10:58, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Help talk:Citation Style 1 --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:19, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you very much. So I just add this behind previously unarchived stuff? Awesome. Saved me some work. (Please correct me if I'm wrong about what to do.) Anthonydraco (talk) 14:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. It's not indexed somewhere. How can average users know about it? It's not listed in Citation style 1. Anthonydraco (talk) 14:15, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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Please give your opinion
Please comment on the question asked at: Template talk:Infobox military person. Your input would be very appreciated! -- My <font color="#FF4500;">76 Strat (talk) 08:02, 28 December 2012 (UTC)