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Happy New Year! You saved me an "Edit protected" request! --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:38, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. I suspect you mean my update to template shortcut which I was too tired to do last night. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:40, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes! I have one suggestion though, in regards to Template:Citation Style documentation, the 'Description' section should really be changed to be in order of the way it is in the template. E.g., 'Anchor', which is the 'ref', makes more sense at the end, as it is at that place in most of the 'cite' templates. In fact, the way the sections are ordered in the further below "Parameters section" on that page, is following the template code order, and not the order described under 'Section usage'. I feel some consistency would be helpful, because the order described on that page in the 'Section usage' part, and the order actually used in the 'Parameters section' are contradictory; thus, the confusion. I mostly try to update /doc pages so that they follow the order of the code, which is often also pictured in the hard code examples of the related templates at the top right of the template pages; thus, my update here. --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:03, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I am certainly open to suggestions on reorganizing. Whatever we decide, it needs to be done across the series. Lets take this to Help talk:Citation Style 1 for transparency. --—  Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:42, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's okay with me. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:04, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Gadget850. Though I know you've worked so much in templates, in the case of cite AV media I think it suffices to show only ONE shortcut, cite media with template shortcut rather than showing many; a tidy, well chosen display facilitates to remember. (This view is shared in Template talk:Template shortcut by User:David Göthberg.) I'm not sure if it's better to list many redirects in "Aliases" section; some are unused at all, and others are purely historical. For example, wiktionary has [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Wiktionary&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1 this many aliases], but many are useless from practical viewpoint.

Obviously you don't have to delete (old) template aliases, but at the same time it's better to keep them well organized. See for example Wiktionary templates common doc which is a part of the docs of wt, wtr etc. (I created most of these shortcuts and the table recently, but it may be an excess, I know. Let's see what will happen. Wikipedia is still in its cradle.)

I edited Template:template shortcut/doc promoting my opinion, but I'd be glad to discuss. Thanks a lot. --Ahora (talk) 05:19, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Upon reflection, the box is not listing shortcuts, but redirects, thus template redirects is more appropriate. But we don't need to know what redirects to a template, so I have removed all and deleted the template.--— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:25, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok, but as pointed out at Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_December_10 by User:delldot, the shortcut cite media is nice; fairly general and descriptive, yet easy to remember and use, so I re-added it to cite AV media/doc with template shortcut.

At the same time, template shortcut is sometimes used to show long but good aliases. (I can't cite a good example here, but in Japanese Wikipedia, templates imported from English Wikipedia often have a Japanese name, and the original name as redirects. In those cases, it's good to show English aliases, which are not necesarily short.) If you know some such examples too, changing the text "shortcut:" in the box of template shortcut to "aliases:" may be good. But it's probably better to propose first at the talk page than discussing here between two of us. Thanks anyway. --Ahora (talk) 06:11, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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"Weblos"?
Don't you mean "Webelos" on your user page? Cheers. Swliv (talk) 00:15, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * yes --—  Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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...your help at WT:Citing sources and for creating. —  AjaxSmack 04:59, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Citation Style 1
The first line of Accessibility. Does the MediaWiki software not have that issue with definition lists? --Izno (talk) 21:25, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Good question. Let me check. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does and thanks for pointing it out. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:44, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I got sidetracked into that very matter at Template talk:Sidebar (my post of 09:07, 5 December 2012 et seq, search for "An edit like this which introduces blank lines") -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:04, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. I just noticed the edit via watchlist and attended to it. Didn't mean to create work for you on checking that MW does or does not fix the problem for DLs. --Izno (talk) 22:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

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xml:lang
Thanks for. There a are a number of infoboxes and other templates wuing a native_name parameter. Do we need a bot or other effort to track them all down? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:58, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It does no harm, but it is redundant and it leads to reuse. I have cleaned up a handful, but a bot would be more thorough and efficient. See Template talk:Lang for my original discussion. I noticed it was no longer whitelisted at and did some testing. --—  Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Stirling efforts
I know your always chipping away here and there, but your modest 'i've edited Help:HTML in wikitext' made me smile, thank you Gadget, you've definitely merit more kudos, so here's a little more:


 * Thanks! --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:26, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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FYI, since you nominated the span template, you might want to look at st. I haven't looked close enough to see if there is a substantial difference, but so far it appears is is being used as a substitute for plainlinks. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 04:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Mins

 * An article in my namespace

Please undelete Camp Minsi/draft and place it in my namespace.

Thanks.

--evrik (talk) 20:45, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ User:Evrik/Camp Minsi --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Infobox
Why isn't this working? I want to use it at the top of the Scouting in California page. --evrik (talk) 15:32, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


 * You're trying to get the image parameter to do something that it's not designed to do. expects image to contain the name of a single image (omitting the File: prefix), and nothing more, e.g. GirlScoutsatNASA2.jpg -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:02, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Look at Eurasian (mixed ancestry), it uses Infobox ethnic group. That infobox has the capability. Is there simple fix? --evrik (talk) 18:55, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * was designed to use the infobox parameters to format images, Infobox ethnic group was designed to use image markup. Let me look at this in a bit- might be able to add a separate image parameter. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:08, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


 * alternately, if you can think of a different way to display an attractive header box, I'm open to suggestion. --evrik (talk) 22:25, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I added image2 and caption2. image2 can use standard image markup, table markup or preferably a template such as multiple image:


 * Thanks! --evrik (talk) 20:47, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you please look at Scouting in California and fix the uncentered images? --evrik (talk) 17:45, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Local Councils
Any idea where I can get some more recent data for Local councils of the Boy Scouts of America? --evrik (talk) 17:45, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I was just going to discuss that on the article talk. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:49, 15 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll look for that there. --evrik (talk) 17:51, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

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Guitar tunings: isbns
We want to have both the 10- and 13-digit isbns with clickable look-ups. Please don't remove the 10 digit isbns. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 10:03, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Doesn't make sense, since they are the same ISBN. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:50, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

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Wikiproject Scouting

 * DYK nomination

I could use some more hooks. --evrik (talk) 21:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Have you seen this?
File:Lis.gif --evrik (talk) 15:10, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I was just looking at it; it is of course the WOSM emblem. Do we really need infoboxes on the WOSM and WAGGS lists?
 * I wasn't writing about the content. I was curious of the image is on the commons as free, but we use it locally as fair use. --evrik (talk) 15:57, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at that as well; World Scout Emblem states this version was introduced in 1955, so it is still trademarked even in Europe. And I don't even want to get into the BSA's claim: "Fleur-de-lis (when used in conjunction with a Scouting activity)". --—  Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:02, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Put it up for deletion on Commons. -- — Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:11, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not a big deletionist. :-D BTW, I am in favor of infoboxes and nice graphics in any article where it will fit. 16:37, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I really don't have a problem with the infoboxes, so restore the with the proper images and flsh them out a bit if you like. I am both working and sick and those aren't good combinations to begin with. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:40, 22 February 2013 (UTC)


 * It's on my list of things to do. --evrik (talk) 17:39, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Pinewood derby
FYI: Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/May 15 --evrik (talk) 16:15, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Dress uniform
In 2007, this image was removed, File:BSA scouter dress uniform.jpg from this page, Uniform and insignia of the Boy Scouts of America because it was "Replaceable fair use." Six years later, it hasn't been replaced. Could you please restore the image? --evrik (talk) 16:47, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It is an image from a catalog. We just can't use it, and there is still every possibility that you can just walk up and snap a photo. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:51, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Why can't that be fair use? --evrik (talk) 17:13, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Because it was clipped from a copyrighted catalog. And just because no one has taken a free photo doesn't mean no one can. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * This is a perfect example of fair use. We should use it until a free photo is found. This takes nothing away from the Boy Scout brand. --evrik (talk) 18:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Scouting in California
It took me a month ... but I finished revamping and cleaning up the page to include the history list on the talk page. I am now going to move on to some of the smaller states. I would appreciate your input. --evrik (talk) 15:21, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

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Cite ship register template
In December 2012 you added to Category:Citation templates not conforming to an established style. I have since rewritten that template to use. Ok to remove  from Category:Citation templates not conforming to an established style and return it to Category:Citation templates?

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 * It now conforms to, thus it belongs in Category:Citation Style 2 templates. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:48, 23 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you.


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WikiCup 2013 February newsletter
Round 1 is now over. The top 64 scorers have progressed to round 2, where they have been randomly split into eight pools of eight. At the end of April, the top two from each pool, as well as the 16 highest scorers from those remaining, will progress to round 3. Commiserations to those eliminated; if you're interested in still being involved in the WikiCup, able and willing reviewers will always be needed, and if you're interested in getting involved with other collaborative projects, take a look at the WikiWomen's Month discussed below.

Round 1 saw 21 competitors with over 100 points, which is fantastic; that suggests that this year's competition is going to be highly competative. Our lower scores indicate this, too: A score of 19 was required to reach round 2, which was significantly higher than the 11 points required in 2012 and 8 points required in 2011. The score needed to reach round 3 will be higher, and may depend on pool groupings. In 2011, 41 points secured a round 3 place, while in 2012, 65 was needed. Our top three scorers in round 1 were:
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 * , due in no small part to Canis Minor, a featured article awarded a total of 340 points. A joint submission with, this is the highest scoring single article yet submitted in this year's competition.

Other contributors of note include:
 * , whose Portal:Massachusetts is the first featured portal this year. The featured portal process is one of the less well-known featured processes, and featured portals have traditionally had little impact on WikiCup scores.
 * , whose Mycena aurantiomarginata was the first featured article this year.
 * and, who both claimed points for articles in the Major League Baseball tie-breakers topic, the first topic points in the competition.
 * , who claimed for the first full good topic with the Casting Crowns studio albums topic.

Featured topics have still played no part in this year's competition, but once again, a curious contribution has been offered by : did you know that there is a Shit Brook in Shropshire? With April Fools' Day during the next round, there will probably be a good chance of more unusual articles...

March sees the WikiWomen's History Month, a series of collaborative efforts to aid the women's history WikiProject to coincide with Women's History Month and International Women's Day. A number of WikiCup participants have already started to take part. The project has a to-do list of articles needing work on the topic of women's history. Those interested in helping out with the project can find articles in need of attention there, or, alternatively, add articles to the list. Those interested in collaborating on articles on women's history are also welcome to use the WikiCup talk page to find others willing to lend a helping hand. Another collaboration currently running is an an effort from WikiCup participants to coordinate a number of Easter-themed did you know articles. Contributions are welcome!

A few final administrative issues. From now on, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review only. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) J Milburn (talk) 01:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

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Help:Markup validation
The page Francis Brown produces a validation error:

Line 267, Column 136: Bad value //www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemByTitle/enwiki/Francis Brown for attribute href on element a: Whitespace in path component. Use %20 in place of spaces.

…itle/enwiki/Francis Brown" title="Edit interlanguage links">Edit links</li>

Syntax of IRI reference: Any URL. For example: /hello, #canvas, or http://example.org/. Characters should be represented in NFC and spaces should be escaped as %20.

I hope you can help me correct this problem. Wikfr (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Fix is on the way; see . --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:26, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking care of this so quickly. Wikfr (talk) 21:21, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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Court case
I'm curious about this edit and this information, "The 1974 settlement between the BSA and the NAACP over racial discrimination required the BSA to issue its first non-discrimination policy regarding race (Stipulation and Order, NAACP, et al. v. Boy Scouts of America, et al. (Civil No. C-74-329): U.S. District Court for the District of Utah, Central Division, 1974.)" I've never heard of this court case, have you? --evrik (talk) 19:08, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. The short story is that LDS Church did not allow black youth to be leaders such as SPL. I think some details are wrong but let me look.
 * And this inclusion in every southern state bugs me. Neither Chicago nor Tulsa are considered southern, but the Chicago Race Riot of 1919 and the Tulsa race riot were particular low points. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:17, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

A 12-year-old boy scout has been denied a senior patrol leadership in his troop because he is black", Don L. Cope, black ombudsman for the state, said Wednesday.

Mormon 'troop policy is that in order for a scout to become a patrol leader, he must be a deacon's quorum president in the LDS Church. Since the boy cannot hold the priesthood, he cannot become a patrol leader.' "

Shortly before Boy Scout officials were to appear in Federal Court Friday morning on charges of discrimination, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued a policy change which will allow black youths to be senior patrol leaders, a position formerly reserved for white LDS youths in troops sponsored by the church. An LDS Church spokesman said Friday under the "guidelines set forth in the statement, a young man other than president of the deacons quorum could (now) become the senior patrol leader if he is better qualified". - (Salt Lake Tribune, August 3,1974).
 * I copied that from an old email. Need a reliable archive or other source.--— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:30, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Related bibliography. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:51, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I am eventually going to try and clean up all the state pages. It should probably be on the controversies page. along with this, "In 1914, the BSA gave local councils the power to ban African Americans from Scouting. . Until 1974, some southern councils of the Boy Scouts of America were still racially segregated. The Old Hickory council did not integrate until 1974. The 1974 settlement between the BSA and the NAACP over racial discrimination required the BSA to issue its first non-discrimination policy regarding race."

--evrik (talk) 21:25, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


 * http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2519&dat=19740911&id=F-pdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=R18NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2292,1643551
 * http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=799&dat=19740803&id=uZdPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=W1IDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3061,2571987
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=xw6hBEEKVhQC&pg=PA100*
 * http://www.aaregistry.org/historic_events/view/african-americans-boy-scout-movement

I don't see anything that states this lead to the first race-related non-discrimination policy. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:53, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't either. I removed it from Arkansas. I think it still would be good on the controversies page. --evrik (talk) 19:17, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Of the three references you listed, I have Macleod and have not found the other two. The articles I found can replace the third, but I am iffy on Old Hickory Council. I had heard that Pee Dee Area Council was the last to integrate in 1972, but I don't have a good ref. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
I could use your input please: User talk:Werieth. --evrik (talk) 19:31, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Defunct local councils of the Boy Scouts of America
Hey there, there may have been some confusion earlier. I was trying to create a placeholder article. I wasn't necessarily trying to take the article live yet, or short cut what you were working on, which is why I didn't use your title of List of defunct local councils of the Boy Scouts of America. So I'm not sure what's going on with Defunct local councils of the Boy Scouts of America or User:Gadget850/List of defunct local councils of the Boy Scouts of America. I'm signing off for the day. --evrik (talk) 17:11, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, my question is answered ... :-) I wish you hadn't "moved" the page, but started it fresh, it would have been nice to not see the editing history. I kinda like the Athena effect. --evrik (talk) 17:15, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for all your work in this. --evrik (talk) 17:16, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

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Please help!
I'm trying to make Template:harvnb for the Croatian Wikipedia, but for some reason I can't do it right, though I copied everything from the English Wikipedia...

See this article... Savezna Država Austrija... can't make ref (like 1, 2, 3), but insted I get the whole citation with the text and nothing appears in references... --Wustenfuchs (talk) 06:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The harvnb template is working: see my home page there. You need to create an example for me to see what you are doing. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:22, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I updated my example and it works. You need to use a cite template as shown. Your version of cite book does not support harv so you have to create it manually. You also don't have the CSS on your site to highlight the full citation; since it is a short example, it won't appear to jump to the full citation. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, this is what I done on the Croatian Wikipedia:

(Predložak means "template"). --Wustenfuchs (talk) 18:50, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
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Eagle Scout Medals
I can't imagine that any of the medals aren't replaceable, but did any of them include source links? If so, can you give me the links so I can see what we're dealing with so I can explain to Evrik why they can't be kept? Ryan Vesey 02:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but don't bother. --evrik (talk) 03:54, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Our recent edits
You seem to be following behind me and changing my edits. I caught it with this edit and was going to let it slide. I just thought it was a waste of your time as well as mine. Then I came across this edit, where you actually broke the shortcut category by using uppercase letters. Gadget850, don't you even check your edits to see if they do what you want them to do? Now you need to go back and check your recent edits to see if you've broken anything else. And please explain why you feel the need to alter my edits. Do you have some wasteful intent to unpopulate the Redirects to sections cat in favor of the Redirects to anchors cat? – P AINE E LLSWORTH  <sup style="font-size:x-small; color:blue; font-family:Arial;">C LIMAX !  06:06, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I just fix stuff on my watchlist; I have no idea what you do elsewhere. I checked each one as I updated; I rechecked REFGROUP and it is working. Let's look at that one: someone before you changed it from the anchor to a direct link, but I didn't catch it at the time. The linked page includes a shortcut template which creates an anchor: in this case named WP:REFGROUP. When you create the redirect, you should link to the shortcut anchor, not the section name. If the section is renamed (which happens), the shortcut anchor remains the same and the link still works. You edit wasn't broken, but linking to the shortcut anchor is more robust. Indeed, your edit to EXPLNOTE undid my standing edit. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:38, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I see your POV, however it really makes no sense to me to alter a perfectly good shortcut that works. If a header is changed in the future, then those who change it need to learn to anchor the old header in order to not break links to the section, to include shortcut links.  In my opinion anchoring the shortcut to the shortcut is just one more reason for editors who change section headers to fail to anchor the old section names.
 * But all that aside, what this is really about is your changing several of my recent edits without letting me know what you think I'm doing wrong. If I'm doing something wrong, then I need to know it so I'll stop doing it.  When you come behind me and change my edits like that, it makes me feel like it's a waste of time to make the edits in the first place.  Can you follow what I mean here? –  P AINE E LLSWORTH  <sup style="font-size:x-small; color:blue; font-family:Arial;">C LIMAX !  20:57, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

See if you go for this, Gadget850... I've been catting redirects gnomishly for some time, now. The vast majority of the shortcuts I find that go somewhere besides the TOP go to section headers, and the vast majority of those are not pointed at a shortcut anchor, but to the section header itself. Every once in awhile I come across shortcuts that go to embedded anchors where there were no section headers. Someone occasionally uses the semicolon for headers For those, I never hesitated to cat them with R to anchor. Up to now, just so there would be standardization, when I came across a shortcut that targeted an anchor that was also to a section header, I would alter the redirect to target the section header. A few minutes ago I came across one like that, and rather than alter the target, I just slapped the R to anchor Rcat on it and kept going. That's what I'll do from now on, since it's faster and works just as well. I hope that meets with your approval, and you won't feel you have to alter any more of my edits. If this does not set well with you, please let me know why. My main thrust here is to improve Wikipedia without wasting a lot of time on edits that will be almost immediately altered by another contributor. And thank you for listening and putting up with me. – P AINE E LLSWORTH  <sup style="font-size:x-small; color:blue; font-family:Arial;">C LIMAX !  01:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * like this line that begins with a semicolon in the code.


 * "where you actually broke the shortcut category by using uppercase letters" Yes, I broke that, must have hit caps lock.
 * "those who change it need to learn to anchor the old header in order to not break links to the section" And that is what the shortcut template does: it creates an anchor. If you link to the shortcut anchor, then the section header doesn't matter.
 * "changing several of my recent edits without letting me know" I apologize for that. I actually started to, then got interrupted and never came back to it.
 * No worries, then? --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:57, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm good – thank you for letting me vent a little. My point about the anchoring is that contributors need to anchor the section-header changes they make, whether or not there is a shortcut to the section.  The broken links are the ones that go to that section, both from internal and external web pages.  There is a bot that finds these, but it doesn't fix them – it just places a message box on the article's talk page, and editors have to check the finds and fix the broken links.  I've fixed a lot of these whenever I've come across them.  Thanks again, and good fortune to you and yours! –  P AINE E LLSWORTH  <sup style="font-size:x-small; color:blue; font-family:Arial;">C LIMAX !  13:41, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, that is the very intent of shortcut. BTW: Using the definition markup to bold a line is improper. HTML 5 now requires that every definition have a list. The W3C validator give an error. --—  Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I just realized that there are several of those semicolon-bolded lines on the MOS page. You say it's improper.  I'm not sure I understand, but I'm sure I'll need to cite a policy or guideline when I go changing all those lines.  Can you point me to a reference? –  P AINE E LLSWORTH  <sup style="font-size:x-small; color:blue; font-family:Arial;">C LIMAX !  01:50, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * As I said, not all section headers have shortcuts, but their old section names should be anchored with at the very least a  type anchor (or the Anchor template).  The semicolon subheaders have become rare and I seldom come across them.  I did some a couple of days ago, so I'll see if I can't find those and upgrade them. –  P AINE E LLSWORTH  <sup style="font-size:x-small; color:blue; font-family:Arial;">C LIMAX !  01:11, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * PS. Found them – they were on an MOS subpage, no less.

Help:Wiki markup --  Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:59, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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Gadget850 - Yesterday I thought I would help with disambiguation so I went to the disambiguation page and randomly picked Girl Scouts. I spent an hour reviewing all the groups on that page and then I checked some of the articles that linked to Girl Scouts. About 95% of the links to Girl Scouts were looking for an organization NOT on the Girl Scouts disambiguation page. What they were looking for, of course, was the Girl Scouts of the USA. Now I had read the talk page and I saw your comment about not putting the individual national organizations on the Girl Scouts disambiguation page, but, I decided you were wrong. And I put the Girl Scouts of the USA on the page. You have reverted me. I have become BOLDER and have now made the correction to the page I should have made in the beginning. What do you think? GroveGuy (talk) 07:04, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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I really need some help, and it seems like you your right person to ask. I want to add the same column options used in for, so it can be set like this  or. The default is two columns and there is another parameter for a source. The problem is that when viewed on a small screen (mobile) the lines split and it becomes impossible to read. I've set up a sandbox and the appropriate testcases. Hopefully you can help me out, as I'm struggling. If you can't, could you point me in the right direction. Cheers. BaldBoris 22:06, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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I saw your feedback at the help desk about using the template for the notable alumni list at Hollywood High School. That's pretty damn cool. Unfortunately, though, I didn't see your comment until long after I had already spent hours creating a collapsible table using the method advised by the other admin (Yunshui). That page you referred me to even has a section specifically about using the template "For lists of notable alumni"! You're very good; I'll bet there aren't too many editors who even know about. Anyway, I used the method Yunshui explained at the help desk and the table looks very similar to your way. I created three columns (Name/Class year/Notability), but now I'm not sure (after seeing your template) if there will be any problems with the way I did it. If you see anything wrong with it, please feel free to make any fixes. Of course, the sole problem which prompted me to go to the help desk in the first place was the excessive length of the list; it was just overwhelming the article because it was so incredibly long compared to the rest the article. So as long as the table is collapsed by default, I'll be happy with whatever template is used. So again, if anything needs changed, I won't mind one bit if you do it. In fact, I'd appreciate it because I'm sure that's easily the biggest notable alumni list of any high school article. Anyway, thanks a lot for educating me on that mem template. Even though I still have no idea how to use it, it was really cool to see a template that is specifically meant for tables like the one I've been working on. :) --76.189.111.2 (talk) 15:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. Sorry I didn't see your question earlier, but you can certainly use any bits you need. The template is just a table formed in chunks. --  Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. I apologize, maybe I should've waited for a few hours, but I really liked the clear instructions Yunshui gave me and it looked like it would a perfect fix to the problem. And it appears that it is. Again, I don't know if the way I did it is still OK or if it needs to be changed, but I'm totally lost about how to use that mem template anyway. And your "chunks" comment confused me even more. Haha. (And I don't have any energy left to spend hours changing what I already did. :p) I'm just a little concerned now because I don't want anything I did to cause a problem. So if you need or want to change anything, be my guest. 76.189.111.2 (talk) 15:42, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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Cite ship register template redux
I want to revisit a topic we breifly discussed earlier this year.

Today I added to the list of templates that use citaion/core because it does. As part of that I reread Help:Citation Style 2. That document says that CS2 citations are based on which seems to be born out by the other templates in Category:Citation Style 2 templates. is not based on so isn't it now mis-categorized?

Doesn't really belong in Category:Citation Style 1 specific-source templates.

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 * No comment? Should I take that as tacit agreement that  doesn't belong in Category:Citation Style 2 templates?


 * To further muddy the water, Category:Citation Style 1 specific-source templates might not be the right place either. Except for, every template I looked at did not directly use  – they all used one of the CS1 templates.  What to do?


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Notability question
is un-merging a large number of local councils into their own articles because state wide articles cannot support individual logos. My question is do the individual council articles pass the general notability guide? For example I have no clue why Pacific Skyline Council should have its own article. Werieth (talk) 19:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I truly have no control over his actions. If you have a conviction on this, then AfD is the forum. --  Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I am unsure of the issue, since you are the lead on WP:SCOUT I thought you would be able to give me some insight. Werieth (talk) 19:28, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think Village Pump (policy) is the best forum for this, create a notability guideline first then go to AfD. Absent any notability guideline, I'd support the creation of individual council articles. Ryan Vesey 19:40, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Local councils are notable, but the article has to demonstrate it per WP:ORG. I have always disliked the state articles, as the BSA does not operate that way. --  Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * FWIW, this is exactly what I said I would do. I would be willing to merge them back into the one state article, but that would involve a compromise. --evrik (talk) 19:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Evrik, or I can just AfD the individual articles as failing ORG, and have the contents sans logo merged back to the state articles and we go back to status quo, of having state articles minus large numbers of non-free files. Werieth (talk) 19:54, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and AfD the articles as failing ORG. They'll pass that test. Do you really want to waste everyone's time like that? I would like to find a compromise. The large state article without the logos is the worst off all the options. I'm listening. --evrik (talk) 19:57, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * A general AfD request to merge the articles will succeed, Piedmont Council (California) and San Diego-Imperial Council really have no assertion of notability. If you think you have a compromise I am willing to hear it but the two options that you have suggested really are not that feasible. One violates WP:NFCC the other violates notability. Please take this to my talk if you have something workable, otherwise I will start a mass AfD for merging in a few days. Werieth (talk) 20:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with leaving the discussion here. We are at impasse and there is no consensus. Why don't we get an independent arbiter to settle this difference of opinion. --evrik (talk) 20:56, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I see you now did the same thing to Scouting in New York. I am going to revert that change while we further discuss this. You're not happy with the long article pages, nor are you happy with splitting them up. Surely there has to be a middle ground? --evrik (talk) 18:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I was suggesting taking this to one of our talk pages because poor Gadget850 is getting emails for every post we make here. I am fine with the long conglomerate list article, In fact I think that is the best option as each one of these smaller articles lacks independent notability for the most part. Just like countless List of Characters from X. And in similar cases the usage for a logo per item is not acceptable. If you want I can can reference multiple debates and discussions that codified that point. I am open to having one or two images, Have you looked for an image that already combines the individual emblems into a single image? (Note: you cannot create this yourself). Werieth (talk) 18:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I’m like a bad party guest. I’ll stay here until Gadget850 kicks me out. ;-) Seriously though, Gadget mentioned earlier that he is not a fan of the long state article, and back in 2006, neither was I. I had just started the long project of trying to clean-up all the state pages when I was sidetracked by the discussion on the images. I disagree that the smaller articles lack independent notability. I think each of these articles has a lot more potential, and are not like the List of Characters from X, because of the 100 year history of scouting. They have had an impact on their community. Maybe by breaking them apart they will flourish?
 * Listing references to the debates won't get us anywhere as I disagree on the premise that the article is a list. I think the long state articles are ugly, but they are not necessarily lists. Now that all the content has been stripped out of Scouting in California, it's a list. Really though, this only affects the larger state articles, and not the smaller state articles. I’m searching for a middle ground. --evrik (talk) 20:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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You deleted this while it was in use at 11th Canadian Scout Jamboree. Please restore it-it was not unused as your summary stated.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:34, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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Gadget, thank you very much for making this edit. I'm not sure if you saw it, but I expressed my gratitude to you in the help desk thread, also. I had been trying for hours yesterday to find someone who knew how to fix those footnotes. Thanks for improving on Yunshui's fix. Btw, I left this message for Yunshui a few hours ago, asking whether the five sources at the end of the first paragraph should also be footnoted. If you know, or would be willing to footnote that one also, if needed, that would be great. It's really nice to have technical wizards like you available to help novices like me. Thanks, again. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 20:14, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

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However, after I signed in I went to the sandbox and everything looks normal (i.e. nothing gone that I hadn't removed myself). So what does that notification mean? Akhooha (talk) 21:59, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, never mind.... It pays to read carefully. Looking at things again, I realized it was the "Help:Cite errors/Akhooha/sandbox" page that got deleted, and not the sandbox itself. Never having been aware in the first place of the "Help:Cite errors/Akhooha/sandbox" page, I don't miss it. But now I'm curious: what was it's function? Thanks. Akhooha (talk) 13:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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Hey, could you help me by taking a look at Fox Primary School? It's using shortened footnotes, but producing an error without reflist, which shouldn't be necessary. I must have made a typo somewhere, but I just can't see it. Thanks for any assistance you can offer! —  Scott  •  talk  16:39, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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 * VisualEditor news:
 * VisualEditor deployment [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AVisualEditor%2FFeedback&diff=563042612&oldid=563038914 has been delayed] by a week. It is now planned to enable the editor for logged–in editors on chosen Wikipedias on July 22, and on all Wikipedias on July 29.
 * A bug that made it impossible to save VisualEditor edits that triggered a CAPTCHA has been fixed.
 * Several bugs that occurred on right–to–left wikis have been fixed last week (bug #49416, bug #49613, bug #50543).
 * Uploading files has been restricted on Meta Wiki to administrators and the newly created uploader group. An exemption doctrine policy is being developed (bug #50287).
 * Emergency priority CentralNotice banners will always be shown unless users have hidden them, ignoring cookies set for lower priority banners.

Future software changes


 * MediaWiki will allow choosing a specific page of a PDF document or a thumbnail of a video file to show up inside the  tag (bug #8480).
 * It will now be possible to create empty  messages, for instance in order to disable them (bug #50124).
 * The Nearby feature will soon be enabled on Wikivoyage wikis again.
 * The Notifications extension messages will now include a direct link to diffs on wiki as well as in notification e-mails (bug #48183).
 * Table of contents will now use the HTML  element instead of , fixing a nine–year–old bug #658.
 * First mock–ups of a mobile Wikidata application have been published by Pragun Bhutani as part of his Google Summer of Code project.
 * A discussion on minimum documentation practices in MediaWiki code has been started and awaits comments from the community.

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 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf11) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 18. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 22, and on all Wikipedias on July 25.
 * A new version of the Flow Prototype can be tested on Wikimedia Labs.
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 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf12) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 25. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 29, and on all Wikipedias on August 1.
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The Help Project Newsletter Issue VII - August 2013

Hello from Hong Kong, and the Wikimania DevCamp! Just a quick bulletin to update everyone on recent goings-on:


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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features


 * The previous version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf13) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on August 15. It was enabled on non-Wikipedia sites on August 19, and on all Wikipedias on August 22.
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf14) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on August 22. It will be enabled on non-Wikipedia sites on August 26, and on all Wikipedias on August 29.
 * You can now use new styles of galleries. Please give feedback to User:Bawolff.
 * You can now visit a random page in a category, for example Special:RandomInCategory/Science. (25931)
 * You can now use the HTML5 tag to say where a word can be cut. (52468)
 * Gadget authors: you can now use the  hook, so that your scripts are re-run when a page is changed after the   event (for example using Ajax). (30713)

Problems fixed
 * There was a bug where file redirects didn't work when a file was renamed; it is now fixed. There is still an issue with purging, but it should be fixed soon. (52200)
 * Special:SpecialPages provided by special pages will now all be updated on each wiki every six months. This will for example give you recent information on uncategorized pages, unused templates and most wanted pages (see details).
 * There was a bug that caused false positives for anti-blanking edit filters; it is now fixed. (52077)

VisualEditor news
 * The "edit" and "edit source" tabs and section edit links can now be changed more easily; for example, some wikis are using "edit source" for wikitext editing, and "edit beta" for VisualEditor. You can ask for the same change in bugzilla.
 * You can now edit references that are added inside a  block. (51741)
 * You can now test on mediawiki.org new basic tools to add and edit struck text (with the VisualEditor - Icon - Strikethrough-a.svg button for the  tag), lower text (VisualEditor - Icon - Subscript.svg for  ), upper text (VisualEditor - Icon - Superscript.svg for  ), underlined text (VisualEditor - Icon - Underline-a.svg for  ), computer code (VisualEditor - Icon - Code.svg for   and  ), math text (VisualEditor - Icon - Equation.svg for  ), Egyptian hieroglyphs (VisualEditor - Icon - Hieroglyphics.svg for  ), and to say that text is in another language (VisualEditor - Icon - Language.svg for  ). (51609, 51612, 51611, 51590, 51610, 52352)
 * You can now use VisualEditor with the Opera browser.

Future
 * Starting on August 26, you will be able to use data from Wikidata on Wikivoyage sites.
 * Starting on August 27, you will also get notifications on the mobile site if you're logged in to a wiki using notifications.
 * Starting on August 28, all users with an account will be using HTTPS to access Wikimedia sites. HTTPS brings better security and improves your privacy. Some countries (like China) will not use HTTPS. If HTTPS causes problems for you, tell us on meta.
 * Starting on August 29, you will get the code editor interface to edit JavaScript and CSS pages on all wikis.
 * The plan to use Solr for search in MediaWiki was changed; instead, Elasticsearch is now planned.

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Via
Are you aware that with the last sync of Module:Citation/CS1, via no longer includes the subscription required link note? I have no problem with that but there was some conversation about it in these two conversations: via= should not always invoke subscription required and Via.

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 * Missed that. Let me know if the 'via' discussion ever has a conclusion. --  Gadget850talk 00:18, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The conversation has been fading, but someone is going to notice that all of a sudden, via is no longer including the link note. Once they do, then isn't it pretty much a done deal?  The conversation devolved into a discussion about tangentially related topics – there is relatively little about the parameter and the link note and nothing, as far as I can tell, saying that we must keep via with the link note.  I would guess that if we do nothing, no one will complain.


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * A bug exists which I have fixed in the sandbox:


 * I tested the fix first and then copied the live version into the sand box and fixed it again so that the playing around I did today won't be copied into the live version. If you would check my repair and then synch the live version from the sandbox please.


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 * Ping.


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 * Thank you. --  Gadget850talk 09:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * My thanks as well. I often think that we Wikipedians must be masochists because we do far too much for far too little appreciation.  I just noticed the discussion on the cite x error displays, and I am sad to see how the discussion went because I found the visual display of those errors and missing parameters to be ridiculously useful.  I, for one, appreciate the work you've done to help the rest of us out with things like this. Cheers! Resolute 15:36, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree. You've been very helpful with the citation work. It's an important, but largely thankless job, and you did it well. Sometimes stress gets the best of all of us and it is good to take a break. I hope you find something more satisfying to do. Dragons flight (talk) 21:07, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I may come back to this in a some months. Just need to take a break before I get truly burned out. --  Gadget850talk 01:27, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Gadget. Sorry for being late to the discussion, but I just read the thread at VPT. Being one of our few technical wizards here at enwp makes you very valuable. Of course our citations are important because our content is only as good as the references. That means the work you do extremely important to enwp. You're right, it is a thankless job and it's definatley under-appreciated, but it's probably the most important work that happens on the project. I am very thankful for all the thousands of hours you have donated to the project over these many long years. Your work has been immensely valuable as noted by the well-respected editors commenting here. Please do take a break if it will help, but I do hope you will come back to citation work in the future. There are so few people doing it that the loss of an expert such as yourself would be a significant loss for enwp and its readers. Thanks for all your great work. It is greatly appreciated. 64.40.54.117 (talk) 06:16, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Let me add my thanks as well. Proper references are the overlooked foundation of Wikipedia, and you've done a great deal to uphold the infrastructure that lets them be more than a fancy way to slap on boldface and italics. You're wise to step away before you burn out, and I hope that in time you'll be ready to use your skills here again. Choess (talk) 00:11, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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Future
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October 2013
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Please settle an argument
Chip Chocolate, an alias of Jesse Wellens, had a UK #68 hit with Cookie Dance, which causes him to pass WP:MUSICBIO criterion #2. , on the other hand, believes that he fails WP:RS and WP:GNG and has redirected both to PrankvsPrank. Who is right?-- Laun  chba  ller  21:41, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The operative clause is "A musician or ensemble  may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria."
 * "may" not "is". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  21:43, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Either way he is still notable for two events. I suggest we put this through AfD.-- Laun  chba  ller  21:50, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No, the single is something for which he may be notable. But there is no reliable sources to show that he actually is. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:20, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

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I reverted to the older version (thank you for taking the copyright out, though) because somehow it messed up the lettering. Can you give it another shot?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

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Shortened footnotes in the Kindle era
I don't know who can actually make the changes, but where there are multiple references to the same book, it is only possible to cite specific page numbers, unless I am wrong. Someone added to an article and used Kindle numbers.— <font color="Green">Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
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Tech News: 2013-42
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The Bugle: Issue XCI, October 2013
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Broken link
There is a link that's now red, that appears at least 5 times towards the bottom of this page and I thought you might know where it should be redirected. Thanks. Sussexonian (talk) 06:56, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
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New features
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VisualEditor news
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Problems
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Future
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New features
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Problems
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Future
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New features
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The Bugle: Issue XCII, November 2013
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Clean-up
Could you please look at File:Boy Scout National Headquarters Post Card.jpg and Boy Scouts of America National Headquarters to make sure I got the templates correct? Thanks. --evrik (talk) 02:17, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It is a photo, not a logo, and presumably copyrighted. Since the building no longer exists, it can probably be used as non-free, fair use. --  Gadget850talk 15:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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New features
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Problems
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Future
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This newsletter is now posted using MediaWiki message delivery.

New features
 * The CommonsMetadata feature was added to all wikis. It creates metadata information about multimedia files (like their license) that can be read automatically by computer programs. It not only works for Commons, but for all wikis, and you can use it for files on your wiki by editing templates used to describe metadata.
 * JavaScript code used on Wikimedia sites is now saved locally on your computer to load faster.

VisualEditor
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Problems
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Future
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Tech News: 2013-50
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features
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VisualEditor
 * The toolbar is now simpler; all text styles (bold, italics, underline, subscript, etc.) are in the same menu, and the "More" menu is called "Insert".
 * You can now use a basic tool to add special characters to your text. You can add more characters (useful in your language) by editing the MediaWiki interface on translatewiki.net.
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Problems
 * There was a problem with the "" tool (Collection); books could only be exported to PDF format. The change has been undone.
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Future
 * MediaWiki 1.23wmf7 was added to test wikis on December 12. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on December 17 and all Wikipedia wikis on December 19 (calendar).
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 * A Draft namespace will be added to the English Wikipedia to make it easier to create new pages. You will be able to use VisualEditor for drafts if you have enabled it.

Other
 * You can read the summary of the technical report for November 2013 to learn more about VisualEditor, Mobile and other features.

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The Bugle: Issue XCIII, December 2013
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WP:Village_pump_(technical)
Perhaps you can enlighten us. EEng (talk) 00:54, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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Recent software changes
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 * There was a bug where notifications were not sent when the signature of the user leaving the message linked to a translated namespace. The problem was fixed in the software and will soon be fixed on Wikimedia sites.
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 * If your wiki adds stars or other icons to interwiki links for featured articles in other languages, you may need to [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js?diff=585965732 change the JavaScript code].
 * You can thank other users for their edits even if your browser does not have JavaScript.
 * All edits made through Flow, the new discussion system for MediaWiki, are now visible in user's contributions. You can test it on the Flow talk page on MediaWiki.org.
 * You can test a visual tool that shows edits made to an article over time. It only works for English Wikipedia pages for now and is slow on long articles.
 * You can test the first version of the new mobile Wikipedia app for Android and iOS.
 * Translatewiki.net, the site where you can translate the MediaWiki software, now has a [//translatewiki.net new main page] for users without an account.

Future software changes

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by MediaWiki message delivery • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. 08:22, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * There will be no technical changes this week (December 23 to December 29) due to end-of-year holidays.
 * When someone deletes, restores, uploads, or moves a file on Commons, pages on all wikis that use that file will be refreshed.
 * New users will soon have their user and talk pages added to their watchlist as soon as they create an account..
 * The new search tool (CirrusSearch) will not show the text of versions of a page that have been hidden.
 * You will soon be able to see the raw HTML created by some wikitext by using the Special:ExpandTemplates tool.