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Hello, Thanks for your message. I was in fact the person who had the previous_post field added to the Infobox several years ago to make a distinction between other posts that a Bishop currently holds (eg a Cardinal who is Archbishop of whereever and also Cardinal-Priest of x church) and posts that they held before their current posting. See Pope Benedict XVI, Raymond Leo Burke and Salvatore Cordileone for how this is used. There was a time when we talked about having the different positions listed with appointment dates and successor/predecessor for each role, as you get in a politician's infobox, though it was decided that in some cases, this would make the infobox twice as long as the article, so we decided it best to just list them as mentioned above. There has been much debate about the Church section, as it is rather negated/duplicated by the Denomination section below. There was some consensus some years back that this should be their Cathedral - though in many places it is now simply left blank, given that it doubles up lower down.  Mangwanani  (talk) 12:42, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that isn't how the infobox is set up: it would be good if previous_post was directly below other_post. As said before, Church is the top of a cascading set of parameters: If we are thinking of the Catholic Church then church could equal any of the particular churches (Roman Catholic, Maronite Church, etc) but they would all by "Denomination = Catholicism"; likewise with Anglicanism there is the Church of England, Episcopal Church etc; "Church = Church of Scotland" would be "Denomination = Presbyterianism". Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 12:13, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Well I'll concede the issue of Church in that regard and leave it as that.


 * However, there is a definite need to make a distinction between previous_post and other_post, as other_post has now long been standardised amongst Catholic clergy, especially Cardinals, to mean other posts they hold concurrently with their see/dicastory. I think it is definitely something we should take back to the Template talk page to be moved to the upper part of the infobox as you suggest. If one looks at the Italian infobox, there is a clear distinction between Incarichi attuali and Incarichi ricoperti, which are both located where you would put them, and I would agree that it is better there than in the personal information section. I must say that I have a slight preference to the French infobox, which allows you to follow the line of succession for each post they have had.


 * French version

 Mangwanani  (talk) 18:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Italian version

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