User talk:Ganymead/Archive 2 Oct 2005-Oct 2006

The Relapse
Hey, Ganymead, thanks for the wave on FAC! :-) I've got another theatre article sort of coming up, about Vanbrugh's The Relapse, though I'm tearing my hair out over it. It's a sequel to a play by Cibber, with some of the same characters, and I keep discussing both plays together, because—well, you'll see why, if you care to take a look. I worry that the article must be hopelessly confusing, with all the plotlines and personalities. And the dates. Oh, and there are two different theatre companies involved, too. :-( I'm trying to be explicatory but not boring, but it's really hard. I feel poised between repeating myself interminably and leaving the reader in the dark, most likely achieving the worst of both. If you've got time, would you be interested in taking a look, and let me know if my narrative gives an idea of the twists and turns, or just a feeling of lots of unfamiliar names coming at you?

Oh, and another problem: the modern section is empty still, and I don't know what to fill it with. A short summary of academic interest and interpretation I can do—there hasn't been much of it lately—but the modern stage? All I've got in the way of sources for that is Zimansky's and Bernard Harris' paperback editions, from 1970 and 1971, and well, they mention the musical Virtue in Danger in 1963, and that's pretty much it. Google gives one or two production reviews, but they're very random, and only from the last few years, and I would think very minor. Got any ideas? (Any sensational new production of The Relapse taking place in your town as we speak? :-))

Not sure I'll put it up for FAC, though, in any case. I'm a bit upset at some of the more churlish comments on Giano's great article. :-( (Thanks for being an exception!). Hey, Julian Eltinge is looking very good, but I see you haven't worked on it since March. :-( I hope that's not because of me being discouraging about the copyright images..? Much better to ignore me, I don't know what I'm talking about! (Oh, hey, I was just back on FAC, thank you for the waveS, you're too kind! :-)) Bishonen | talk 11:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey there! I've just glanced at The Relapse and it looks marvelous! You always do such a nice job. Sadly my education lacks much study in Restoration theatre so your articles are helping to fill the gaps. I did a quick check and did just find an article mentioning that The British National Theatre Company did a production of the play directed by Trevor Nunn in 2001. Here's the article and a review of that production. Hardly a random production! It appears to have had Brian Blessed (one of my personal favourites) in the cast. In addition, I also found that Patricia Routledge, known to American audiences as Hyacinth Bucket (that's "Bouquet", dear), was in Virtue in Danger. Here's a brief bio of the musical's librettist Paul Dehn that also includes a bit about the composer who also has a bio on the same site. But, alas, there is only a brief mention of the musical. There are little tidbits here and there on both the play and the musical. The Oxford Companion to the Theatre does provide a bit more information saying that the play in it's original form (not the Sheridan version) had a long run in London in 1947-48. It was revived by the Royal Shakespeare Company at the Aldwych Theatre in 1967. George Freedley and John Reeves' A History of the Theatre, 1967 ed. mentions a production at Canada's McGill University in 1960 directed by Harry Ritchie (whom I am not familar with). Of course there is Cyril Ritchard's revival in 1950 at New York's Morosco Theatre, he's mentioned in the first article and the Internet Broadway Database has a listing here. Here's a nice site on Ritchard. From the first article author's mention of this production, I would think it not minor at all. While the history appears spotty, there are some very nice productions that should be mentioned. I think that there is enough information here for at least a paragraph if not two. Of course it would mostly be name dropping. Sorry for the random order of this huge paragraph, I kept thinking of sources to check. I'll continue looking and post anything else that I find.


 * Also, thanks for asking about Julian Eltinge. You didn't scare me away, he's just been put on hold while I worked on my article on the Mandan which is currently on its second peer review before going to FAC. Any helpful suggestions regarding it would be most appreciated! In addition to that I've also been busy getting a book published. I'm doing the indexing now which is about to kill me. Julian will get some work in the future, I hope. I hope this info has been helpful! Let me know if there is anything else I can do! *Exeunt* Ganymead Dialogue? 16:57, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * WOW! Trevor Nunn and the RSC? It looks like I was right in claiming it's one of the most popular Restoration comedies, then (I was just guessing ;-)). You knew exactly where to look, those look absolutely wonderful. Look at me embarrassed: ha ha for the 18th-century ivory tower, I have no idea where to find out about modern productions, beyond punching a title into Google and hoping for the best (pathetic). I thought you'd be the person to ask. Thanks a million for taking so much trouble and posting all those links. I owe you! Bishonen | talk 17:40, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

SIX fluent speakers?
Hey, Ganymead, I've drafted a final section, all from your links plus a little Bernard Harris, if you care to take a look. Is the Morosco on Broadway like I imply? Please Be Bold if you have any ideas for additions or changes. please help me find images I'm looking at Mandan now, very cool! I'm the last person to venture any comments on American history, but I have a few pedantries for you, and will have more soon. It's a bit overlinked—don't link common words. Nobody reading your Lead is likely to want to break off to go read articles like Berry or Century or United States or Canada. Or useless (for your purpose) disambig pages like Lodge. See Make only links relevant to the context. It's a good idea to follow all the links, actually. To check especially for disambig pages, and then re-link straight to the relevant page instead. Oh, and I bet you'll find some unexpected names are software companies if you check the links, that's always happening to me. oh, and The Relapse is a bit underlinked, so don't take that for an ideal!I'm going to try to fix that up RSN.

Wow, only six fluent Mandan speakers in 1992? That's amazing, is it possible to say more about it? To find out how things are looking 13 years later? User:Mark Dingemanse is a linguist who specializes in fairly tiny languages (though I haven't seen him write about anything this small). Featured Article Nafaanra language is his sole work. He'd be a good person to ask where you can look up things like what's been happening to the Mandan language recently. See you! (What's your book about?) Bishonen | talk 01:24, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey there! I took a look and it looks marvelous! One idea...does your research turn up anything on 19th-century performances? I know that The Rivals and School for Scandal were very commonly performed at that time. (This would be a good time to mention my book which is on the most famous personalities to have performed at the Springer Opera House here in Columbus, Georgia. The opera house was built in 1871 and has seen numerous productions of both plays. Mrs. John Drew performed here in The Rivals with an all-star cast including Joseph Jefferson as Bob Acres, William J. Florence as Lucius O'Trigger and of course herself as Mrs. Malaprop. Anyway, I'm working on the index of the book as we speak and I have yet to come across The Relapse.) I have to wonder if the play was not forgotten until the 40's British revival of it. I'll see what books the Springer has in their library (half of which is currently stacked in my bedroom; borrowing privileges are great!) there may be a mention in one of them. I'll eventually get around to creating an article for the Springer as well...it's quite notable as a National Historic Landmark, it is on the National Register and it is the State Theatre of Georgia.


 * As for images, I did a google image search and found this site with some wonderful old pen and ink drawings of scenes from The Relapse. The site is here. Hopefully these will be helpful! The artist, William Powell Frith, died in 1909 and the works are now the property of the British governmant so they should be in public domain. I'll let you decided which ones to upload and use. I found a handful of modern photos but none seemed to be in the public domain...oh well...


 * Yes, the Morosco Theatre WAS on Broadway. Sadly, it was torn down along with the Helen Hayes, Bijou, Astor and Victoria Theatres (both cinemas) by John Portman (can we say pompous a**?) to make way for the Mariott Marquis Hotel, Times Square in 1982. Sorry for breaking NPOV, I harbour some resentment to seeing historic theatres torn down for no good reason.


 * Thanks for your comments on Mandan. I'll begin unlinking shortly. I will also be adding inline citation...what type do you use? As for the language, the 1992 fact is about all I can find except for a mention made of a program that has been created in reservation schools to teach the language. Sadly, having worked on the Cherokee indian reservation in North Carolina, I know that often these programs are somewhat ignored by the students. I'll make a point to contact User:Mark Dingemanse and see what he can find as I would love to expand the language section of my article. Thanks for your help! *Exeunt* Ganymead Dialogue? 02:56, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I've just unliked quite a few items. I left anything I thought my be useful to the reader including some common things that figure into the article in major ways like buffalo, leather and states. Should I unlink more? *Exeunt* Ganymead Dialogue? 04:45, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That looks very well-judged to me, those are indeed useful links. Wow, amazing, great images! I envy you your searching skills, and I really appreciate getting to piggyback on them, Gan. And I was so short of images! The Crown Copyright page, here, is a bit of a nightmare, IANAL, but heck, the servers are in Florida and the artist has been dead for over 70 years, I'll just refer to Bridgeman as usual.
 * Yeah, in the 19th century, the Sheridan version ruled, so you'd need to search for A Trip to Scarbrough rather than The Relapse. As for American performances, you'd know more about it, but my own suspicion is that they'd be quite likely to use the Sheridan text but change the name Scarborough into something more locally recognizable. You wouldn't stand much chance of finding it with a different placename. :-(
 * Did you look at the latest version of my "Stage history" section? Apparently there was just the one, unique, performance of The Relapse itself in Britain in the 19th century, in 1846, at the Olympic Theatre in London. I've researched this to the full extent of reading almost a page about it in the introduction to Bernard Harris' paperback New Mermaid edition. ;-) The truth is Vanbrugh's play is made to be cut up and mangled, it falls into two separate pieces as soon as you look at it, for a start. 19th century company managers didn't exactly believe in putting on whole Restoration plays with all the trimmings, they lifted what they needed for an evening's farce and left the rest. Their audiences liked Foppington and Hoyden and would have been bored by the relapse plot. (Basically, I feel the same way. ;-P)
 * Your book sounds really interesting. Dear Mrs Malaprop! Bishonen | talk 21:44, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Minstrel photo
Hey, Ganymead. Do you mind if I upload Image:Belvidere_OH_Minstrels.jpg to Wikimedia Commons and then nominate the image for deletion on en.wikipedia.org? On Commons it will be available in any Wikimedia project, including en.wikipedia. I've recently uploaded a bunch of scanned images there, and I'd like all the blackface minstrelsy stuff to be in one place. See particularly Category:Blackface minstrelsy. What say you? BrianSmithson 20:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Certainly, go ahead! Thanks for asking. *Exeunt* Ganymead Dialogue? 20:18, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Done! Photo now resides at the Commons. BrianSmithson 15:37, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Article Improvement Drive
01:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Mandan featured
Congratulations, that was some smooth sailing Mandan had through FAC, and so it should, great work! I look forward to seeing it on the Main Page. Bishonen | talk 09:59, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your help on the article! *Exeunt* Ganymead Dialogue? 15:14, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I've already started work on my next FA. Know anything about Commedia dell'arte? *Exeunt* Ganymead Dialogue? 15:19, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ou...ch. No, not really. But what a good idea! A very worthy subject. I'm thinking of jumping in the deep end and starting a little research on something I'm very ignorant of, Troilus and Criseyde. Chaucer's poem, not Shakespeare's play. Not sure I'll have the time, but Geogre is kind of needling me into it by saying it's horrible and boring. It's not! It's one of my favorite poems ever. Bishonen | talk 15:32, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds fascinating. I took a look at the poem on WikiCommons and got through the first three lines. Then the language starts going wonky in the fourth line and I zoned out. Bon chance, my dear! You'll do a marvelous job, I know! *Exeunt* Ganymead Dialogue? 16:58, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Black pepper change
(I really do mean this in the friendliest way, forgive me if it sounds like I'm quibbling, but I hope to learn something.) Regarding this change; why is the new form "The berries of the same plant..." better than the original "The same plant's berries"? I know the style guide says to avoid contractions, but does it say to avoid possessives? &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I perfectly understand your concern. I've been working on editing a book about to go to publication and one of the things I have seen is the varying opinions regarding certain phrases. We've (the author and I) had arguments over the meagerest of sentences and phrases. I'll be honest, on this phrase I think it simply reads better as I wrote it. Technically, the fact that the previous sentence ends with a description of the berries make it easier to begin with the berries first and then mention the plant again. This is kind of a round about explanation, I know, but it's better than simply leaving it at "I think it reads better." But being one of the main contributors on the article, I let you make the decision as to what stands. By the way, it's a very enjoyable article and I'm considering supporting it for featured article, but I do feel there is a bit of history missing...I have just started a book, Simon Winchester's Krakatoa: The Day the World Exploded and there is discussion of the pepper and spice trades at the beginning of it. Particularly how the Dutch gained control of the pepper trade over the Portuguese. I'd be willing to contribute a few lines to the article if you'd like, though I'd rather have a better source on the subject. Just let me know. I may look around and see what I can find. Thanks for your inquiry! &#39;&#39;*Exeunt*&#39;&#39; Ganymead &#91;&#91;User_talk:Ganymead&#124;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Dialogue?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 06:13, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the long explanatiion helps me understand where you were going. I found the new sentence structure a little roundabout, and changed it to "The same fruit is used to produce..." I'm the last person to say that the Black pepper article is totally comprehensive, as you might have noticed from my earlier objection to the FAC. It's a little tricky how much spice trade history to go into, especially since so much of it revolves around the Moluccas and not the pepper-producing parts of the world. Rather than worry about the details of the Dutch takeover of Malabar, I'm actually more concerned that the history section abrubtly ends at that point, as if nothing has happened involving pepper since the 17th century. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * [Poking finger into possessives pie]. Bunchofgrapes, Ganymead's of-construction strikes my ear also as "reading better", and I think the reason is grammar, not style. The general rule is that animate "owners" take the s-possessive, while inanimate (or really, really stupid life forms like "plants" ;-)) take the of-construction. My grammar book points out that there's a crapload of exceptions, and that "the choice is often a matter of rhythm and emphasis", but they do hold fast to the animate/inanimate distinction as a general rule. Thus:


 * my wife's job
 * his parents' consent
 * people's opinions
 * the elephant's trunk


 * But:


 * the spare wheel of the car
 * the legs of the chair
 * a total turnover of about $30 million
 * the strike of 1926


 * Hope this helps. Best wishes, Bishonen|talk 17:46, 15 November 2005 (UTC).


 * There, see, I learned something. Thanks, Bishonen. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

And so the scholarly expatiation on Middle Eastern wildlife and archaeology which goes:
 * "The sexual life of the camel
 * Is stranger than anyone thinks,
 * Because, in the mating season,
 * It tries to bugger the Sphinx..."

should be amended to read 'camel's sexual life,' etc. But I think it would spoil the rhythm. Of the camel. And the verse. (Any one who wants to nkow how this story ends will have to ask me). PiCo 23:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Very cute! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 06:11, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Comments needed
Since you enjoyed History of the Jews in Poland, to which User:Halibutt has made substantial contributions, I thought you may enjoy this recent RfA, whoch seems to be in need of some comments.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 06:27, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Signature
How to fix your signature &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:43, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. I fiddled with my signature and it's not what it used to be, but I think I finally worked it out. Someone really needs to translate that page into simple english or something...all the technical talk makes my head spin. Perhaps sonnet form would be better? *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 17:25, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Can't help you, nothing rhymes with raw signatures. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:04, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Image:Cherokee-syllabary.jpg has been listed for deletion
This JPEG version has been replaced by Image:Cherokee-syllabary.png. &mdash;Bkell 22:34, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Differences between JPEGs and PNGs


JPEG and PNG are two different methods for compressing an image to make its size smaller.

The most fundamental difference between the two is that JPEG compression is lossy, whereas PNG compression is lossless. What this means is that JPEG compression involves actually discarding information from the image! This results in some "fuzz" in the picture, which is called "compression artifacts". The JPEG format was designed for photographs. When a photograph is saved in the JPEG format, the "fuzz" that's introduced is invisible to the human eye, and allowing some of the information to be lost gives JPEG the ability to compress photographs to a smaller size than PNG can do.

PNG compression is lossless; it does not discard any of the information in the picture. It is designed for images such as diagrams, charts, maps, or flags that contain sharp edges and large blocks of color. It compresses these kinds of images much better than JPEG does, even though it doesn't introduce any "fuzz". But it does not compress photographs as well as JPEG does.

In an image that has sharp edges and large areas of solid color, the JPEG "fuzz" is very visible. Compare the images to the right: The top one has been saved as a PNG, and the bottom one has been saved as a JPEG. You can plainly see the "fuzz" that the JPEG compression has introduced into the picture; the lines aren't as crisp, and the colors seem muddied, especially around the edges between two colors. What's more, the file size of the fuzzy JPEG image is almost six times as big as the PNG version! Clearly PNG is the better choice for images like this.

The best rule of thumb is to save photographs as JPEGs and everything else as PNGs. If you're in doubt, use a PNG. Since the PNG format is lossless, it can always be converted to a JPEG later, and the resulting image will be no worse off than if it had been saved as a JPEG in the first place. If an image is saved as a JPEG when it should have been a PNG, though, it is impossible to simply convert it to a PNG, since the information that JPEG discarded has been permanently lost.

I hope this was helpful. For more information, see Preparing images for upload. &mdash;Bkell 05:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Buffalo skull
Thanks! I love it! That's one of the most original user awards I've seen. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! I shall always treasure the skull. I have always had a fascination and awe for Native Americans.--File Éireann 20:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Gracias, Ganymead. I'm going to move it to my userpage. I'm not sure whether or not you noticed it, but I have a section on my userpage regarding American Indian-related articles on Wikipedia. I'd appreciate knowing your thoughts on the matter, and if there are any related projects or portals of which you are aware.--Rockero 18:04, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Aw, shucks! Bishonen | talk 19:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Music of Athens
Hey, I've expanded music of Athens, Georgia as you suggested in an old peer review. Thanks for the help with those links! I've now nominated the article at FAC, so feel free to come by with any additional comments. Tuf-Kat 22:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Article 153 of the Constitution of Malaysia
After adding footnotes and some more images, I've put this up on FAC. If you can spare some time and tear yourself away from rehearsals, you might want to have a look. :-) Johnleemk | Talk 13:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiedia:WikiProject Elizabethan theatre
For future reference, it would have been better to use the "move" tab at the top of the page to correct this misspelling. You can then mark the trailing redirect for speedy deletion, making it clearer to admins what happened and keeping edit histories clean. All the best! BigBlueFish 23:05, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm just about to nominate the redirect for deletion. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 23:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Playing the Catch-a-Noob game
Hey, Ganymead, take a look at this brand new user. And see this edit: Gross—Gross, geddit? I hope they weren't just paying a flying visit, and I thought possibly you'd want to post a little encouragement on such a valuable noob? Best, Bishonen talk 01:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC).


 * Thanks for letting me know about his contributions! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 16:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Theatre
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Simon Byrne FAC
Thanks for the support. In answer to your question, no! However, this one is coming one nicely, but is now short of information, so if there is anything you can add...! Thanks again. Giano | talk 21:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Mr. Sayers appears to be coming along quite nicely. The reason I asked about those two specifically is that I just finished editing a book that included both Sullivan and Corbett. If I find some time and enery to do it, I will add a bit to both articles. Certainly Corbett's needs expansion. Take care! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 21:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I charge thee, speak!
Yeah, look at Colley, the old disgrace, looking good at the theatre portal! :-) Gan, have you ever edited Shakespeare's reputation? I can't remember if I've asked before. I started that article, and wrote most of the 17, 18 and 19 century sections. It's not too bad, but it's incomplete, and seriously unbalanced (yes, of course there's too much on the Restoration period, how ever did you guess?). The big problems are major shortfalls in the 20th century, in US performance and critical thinking, and, well, uh, the rest of the world. I'm not well placed to do much about these areas, I hoped other people would step up, I used to canvas everybody I met for input, but no soap, or not much. Probably I have asked you before..? Anyway, I planned it as a suitable potential FA, but I've kind of given up. Now, if you're interested, you are well placed for the US and the 20th century. Then we might Feature that suckah yet..! Bunch, you too, are you listening? (You might possibly find some details in it useable for your Drury Lany project also.) [Persuasively] Look, Gan, I've decked myself out in a new talk link in honor of this request! (Feel free to steal it if you like.) Bishonen | Speak, speak, I charge thee, speak! 16:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC).
 * Hello there! Actually, no, you've never asked me and no I haven't edited it either. I've always thought to leave Shakespeare to those who were more expert in the subject, but since you've asked (which is quite flattering!), I will certainly do what I can to help out here. The first half of the article is quite lovely (I've always enjoyed your writing style: very accessible and almost conversational, yet commanding and academic). The second half I found distracting but only due to that fact that there are some holes in coverage. Here are some items that appear to be missing from the first few sections.
 * No mention of Henry Purcell's works based on Shakespeare, I know he wrote operas (or maybe just masques) based on Midsummers' and Tempest.
 * Ooooooh Gaaaaan! So did you miss Restoration spectacular? There's precious little Shakespeare in those ... productions. (They come near the end of the article.) Their value is, simply, Purcell. Based on Betterton's adaptations of D'Avenant's adaptations of... oh, yeah, The Tempest, riiight. Take a look, please do, I think you'll laugh. I find those stage directions the acme of hilarity. :-) (And your lovely compliments do pick me up so!) Bishonen | Speak, speak, I charge thee, speak! 19:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC).
 * Nothing on the American stage in the 18th and 19th centuries. The American stage in this era survived on a diet consisting of much Shakespeare. A theatre historian I read recently ventured to remark that the average American clerk in the mid-19th century, who attended the theatre regularly probably knew more about Shakespeare than a modern Shakespeare scholar. Indeed there are stories of Shakespeare being performed in mining camps in California during the gold rush mid-century, and these (probably) illiterate miners sitting on the edge of their seats reciting the lines with the actors. An amazing image, indeed. Shakespeare was perhaps the most performed playwright on this side of the pond as well. There are a number of noted American (or British-born American) actors who made their names as Shakespearian actors such as Edwin Forrest (who's feud with William Charles Macready resulted in the Astor Place riots), Edwin Booth (and the rest of the Booth clan]], Mary Anderson, Joseph Jefferson, Charlotte Cushman (a fun lesbian actress who played both Romeo and Hamlet) and Mrs. John Drew (Drew Barrymore's great-great grandmother). Plus there was Edmund Kean, a Brit, who made quite a name for himself here.
 * Wow, that's amazing! I knew you'd know about it. Please go add those Shakespeare-reciting miners right now!
 * Certainly there should be discussion of Shakespeare being taught in school. If I'm correct, he didn't really become an integral part of the Western general curriculum until the late 19th-century.
 * Perhaps mention the prevalence of Shakespeare's works in opera from Verdi's Macbeth to Charles Gounod's Romeo et Juliet.

Ok, that covers 17th-19th centuries...on to the 20th...
 * Many of the most innovative and important directors of the 20th century have utilized Shakespeare including: Max Reinhardt, Peter Brook, Joseph Papp and Jerzy Grotowski.
 * The prevalence in the US of Shakespeare festivals. The major ones being the New York Shakespeare Festival, Alabama Shakespeare Festival (perhaps one of a only a few of Alabama's contributions to culture ;-) and the Utah Shakespeare Festival.
 * Shakespeare's continued performance on Broadway and in the West End, such as Denzel Washington's recent appearance in Julius Caesar. Playbill can be a marvelous source for this info.
 * Of course we have to look beyond the West and view Shakespeare's reputation in other parts of the world. In many areas that were former British colonies, Shakespeare was often the first western style theatre to be performed. The theatrical histories of most countries include Shakespeare. The Cambridge Guide to Theatre is a good source for these histories.
 * Perhaps adaptations should be included as well?

So there are some ideas. Perhaps the 19th and 20th Century sections may even need to be split off. Of course with a subject such as Shakespeare you could split, split and split some more and still never completely cover the subject adequately. Ok, so now the question is, where to start? *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 18:21, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * See? See? What a lot of lovely angles you have. :-) I knew it — I had a feeling you and I might dovetail beautifully on this article. Yes, I suppose you're right that some of the century sections may end up being spun off as "main articles". That's all right, as long as we do nice couple-of-paragraphs summaries of them. Any such articles will be the grandchildren of William Shakespeare, because I started Shakespeare's reputation as a spinoff of that — I didn't think there was proper room for the stuff I wanted to add in William Shakespeare — and now I foresee it producing babies of its own, awww...! I'm especially interested in the school angle, though I'm lacking in practical experience of it. It's ideologically very interesting, as being connected with — stemming from — the nationalist/imperialist appropriation of Shakey from the 19th c onward, as exemplified in Carlyle. Criticism of the way Shakespeare is used in schools is common among certain schools of academic criticism (the New Historicists, the Marxists). Terry Hawkes, that I've got in the Reference section and in the top caption, has some of that. Altogether, the vast industry of academic Shakespeare-interpretation needs to get nodded at, though I'd hate to see the academic angle getting to spread itself too much. It's extremely abstruse, most of it — and thereby boring — and I'm no Shakespearean. (I am an ideology girl, though.)
 * Just start, anywhere, already! I charge thee, speak! Speak of the miners? I love them. :-) Bishonen | Speak, speak, I charge thee, speak! 19:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC).
 * Ok, just a thought, but do you have any idea on the first performances of Shakespeare outside of England? The article simply says there were a few performances in the 17th century. This would be a good start to Shakespearean performance elsewhere in the world. BTW, have you read Stephen Greenblatt's Will in the World? Fascinating new bio...er...thingy. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 20:26, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I just found a reference to a performance of Hamlet on a British ship off the coast of Africa in 1607. The Oxford Companion to the Theatre considers this the first western style performance in Africa. Do you know of any other performances prior to this outside of Britain? *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 14:13, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Both the Oxford Companion and the Cambridge Guide to Theatre contain marvelous sections on Shakespeare relating to this article. Oxford even takes it country by country. Besides the 1607 performance of Hamlet, there was little performance of Shakespeare ("S" from now on) outside of Britain. There were some performances of bits and pieces of plays by traveling troupes of English actors, but no major performances until the 18th century. Oxford also has a wonderful section on Translations. Well, I think that's another daughter article in itself, but it should be worth noting in this article, though. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 20:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, nooo!
Oh, noooo! I just realized that the very long comment I posted here from work today doesn't exist! Not on the page and not in the History. :-( No idea what happened — I forgot to click Save (but I honestly hardly ever do), or the connection was FUBAR (though you'd think I would have noticed) or what. Oh ∏{‰\}¶¢{}≠ !! It's too late and I'm too tired now. Basically all I said was cries of joy at your marvellouos search skills — you've obviously found useful Shakey stuff in the galaxy-size haystack of useless Shakey stuff that pours from the presses. And I prattled about Greenblatt and stuff. And I linked to this little lot just to show you what had been keeping me from replying sooner. I'm mighty fed up, actually, with SS and with some of the WP:ANI comments. I may take a day or two off to regroup. I don't know about the images, sorry. Bishonen | talk 21:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC).

Billie Burke
Gany, hi! Here's the link: http://www.nndb.com/people/564/000056396/ I added this link to the pic page. BBurke would have been 38 in 1923. She looks younger than that in the pic. Pepso 19:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:ARCHIVES
Hi again! Given the opinion you gave at the request for comment on archives I thought you might be interested to know the issue has now been put to a straw poll and could use your vote! Staxringold 00:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Awww, thanks! This will certainly be a reason to actually finish the article! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 02:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Sanssouci
Thanks. Nobody, but nobody, wears slippers near me! Giano | talk 16:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * A well-traveled friend of mine told me about the slippers, they are certainly a great concept! He also told me of a friend he was traveling with whose wife was a bit of a kleptomaniac and she evidently took a key that winds one of the clocks at Sansoucci. She only takes keys and evidently has quite a collection. So, if someone wants the key to wind the clock, it's evidently floating around here somewhere in Columbus, GA. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 16:23, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Absurdism Project
Sounds like an interesting idea. We could throw in the novels as a little tidbit...you set it up and I'll make it happen.

Cheers!

Yossarian  22:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

PS: We'll hammer details out soon.

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After finishing Aaron Lansky's book on the creation of the National Yiddish Book Center, Outwitting History, I took another look at your article on Yiddish theatre. It's a great article, but after pulling out my theatre reference books, it appears there are some details that are missing. So, hopefully with your blessing, I'm working on some rewriting in order to incorporate much of this other information. I've gotten stuck on the first paragraph of the first section. I can't seem to find of anything on Noah Prilutski. Do you have any information? In addition, in the sentence that ends with "...but few Jews of the period were actually comfortable using Hebrew outside of a religious/liturgical context." what is the "period" you are referring to? *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 17:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Prilutski: All I have is the citation that I gave: Israil Bercovici quotes him. If you are going to search, remember to try alternate spellings, as I've remarked elsewhere Bercovici's transliterations of Yiddish can be a bit idiosyncratic, since he was Romanian.
 * "The period": the era (late 18th through mid-19th centuries) when national theatrical traditions were arising in Eastern Europe. A little earlier in the West, and I suppose similar comments would apply: in fact, Western European Jews never really developed a "national" theatrical tradition, they either became part of (originally Eastern European) Yiddish theatre or the traditions of their respective countries.
 * You certainly have my support in working on improving this! I am no expert, just semi-knowledgable. I read two (good) books (Bercovici, Adler) and about two dozen miscellaneous articles (cited in the various articles I wrote on the topic), did a bunch of web searching, and ran some of my material past other people who knew something about the topic to check for glaring errors. But I really don't know anyone still alive who had a direct connection to Yiddish theatre, and the general pattern is that as young people they—well, we—knew older people who had been involved in Yiddish theatre. - Jmabel | Talk 17:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

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