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Speedy deletion nomination of E.W. Beth Dissertation Prize


A tag has been placed on E.W. Beth Dissertation Prize requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article or image appears to be a clear copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Biker Biker (talk) 09:36, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: the deletion
I want to share with you what I posted on the talk page of E.W. Beth Dissertation Prize, which you cannot see, because it has been deleted.

I said: This is a close call. On the one hand, it is clear that almost all the content is a pure copy paste from the source. On the other hand, it is established that a list of facts cannot be copyrighted. However, given the names of the winners and year, there are various ways the material could be formatted, and this article chose a virtually identical format (the only exception being the existence of bullets). The remaining material, other than the list is a simple three sentence description of the prize. In my view this is not acceptable.

If you would like to try again, (or appeal) let me know and I will provide some advice.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  11:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Response
I'm too late to be the first to welcome you to Wikipedia, so let me be the second.

Welcome.

We take copyright very seriously at Wikipedia.

We never, ever consider whether it is likely that someone would complain. To take an extreme example, almost every day an owner of a company copies material form the company website into an article. They obviously aren't planning on complaining, yet we remove it on copyright grounds. Copied material can be included in narrow circumstances, such as public domain (but even then it must be properly attributed) and pure factual lists. No one can copyright a list of the planets. Your situation was close to acceptable, as it was mostly a list of the award winners. However, by copying the structure, you may have done a bit too far. It would be better if you were to list the in a table, or simply one after another in a simple list.

We do have a provision for restoring deleted articles to user space, but it has one major exception, and that relates to copyright issues. We do not want copyright material even in drafts, because the history can be viewed by anyone. It is not good practice to start with material form another source and make edits to it, but if you must, and this does make sense with a list, it should be done in an external editor. I thought maybe the opening paragraph was fine, but it appears to be copied from sites such as this, so I don't believe there is any useful text from the original article to salvage.

In general, you should follow the advice at Your_first_article

Identify several sources, and make sure you write it in your own words.

An article that explains how the prize came to be awarded, a little bit about E.W. Beth, who the people are that select the prize winners, etc, followed by a list of recipients would be a decent article, if supported by Identifying reliable sources-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  18:28, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 21:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of E.W. Beth Dissertation Prize for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article E.W. Beth Dissertation Prize is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/E.W. Beth Dissertation Prize until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Biker Biker (talk) 22:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Ways to improve EACSL
Hi, I'm Slashme. Garetjax3891, thanks for creating EACSL!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. I tagged the EACSL page as needing more independent sources: you have to show that a Wikipedia topic has had substantial coverage in multiple independent sources, or else its notability is in question.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.


 * Wow, I just saw how the auto-text from the curation tool clashed with my comment. I've fixed it above.  Anyway, the page isn't currently tagged for deletion, just improvement.  If you have some independent sources which discuss the topic, or if you find some later, go ahead and add them.  Otherwise, if it is such an important conference, I'm sure other people who care about the topic will come around and improve it. --Slashme (talk) 15:43, 1 April 2013 (UTC)