User talk:Garglebutt/Archive 1

Breakfast in Australia
A previous editor (from a place that shall remain nameless) had divided the breakfast world into North America, the British Isles, Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. When I was rearranging it, I thought, what the heck, I bet they eat breakfast in Australia, too. But I didn't know what, so I was just waiting for someone to come along and take the hook. However, I did not anticipate the delightful surprise of Vegemite. Good one. I'd suggest you add more foods, but it looks so impressively stark by itself, I'm almost hoping it stays that way. Whatever – thanks. --Mothperson 12:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Times
UTC, Sidereal Time, UT1 and so on are all related to Earth rotation. You inserted Ephemeris Time (category) into sidereal time, which is in a way a red herring, because ET has to do with the orbits of the planets and their satellites, not with the rotation of anything. The best route to ET from Sidereal Time is probably via Time, which has a link Suggest you remove ET. Pdn
 * Good point. I was just tweaking a few of the time related articles to include cross references if they weren't in the body but this one was an odd man out. Garglebutt / (talk) 10:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Jamison Centre
And I've undone the redirect. There's a small paragraph in the Macquarie article, yes, but that should not prevent the writing of an article on the place itself. Ambi 23:54, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * There was no agreement on that page as to what to do. There was some agreement to do this for Dickson (where the suburb and the centre are the same thing), but not for other areas, such as Jamison - so please don't invent it. Having redirects discourages the creation of an actual article - which is why redirects to broader topics are generally only done if the smaller topic is not notable to ever have an article. How many suburb articles would we have now if they'd all been redireced to Canberra in 2004? Ambi 00:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thirdly, what on earth are you doing with adding the ..., Australian Capital Territory suffix to the Belconnen shopping centre articles? They're not suburbs, and thus don't have this - there's a reason why none of the other regions have their articles with it. Ambi 00:16, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The changes are not useful - they break naming conventions (suffix for suburbs, not for shopping centres), and discourage people from writing articles on perfectly legitimate topics. No one's trying to drive you away from editing, but if you're going to try to change conventions, please discuss first. Ambi 00:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Manuka is not a shopping centre, and it was agreed there that this was a special case. And perhaps if you went to Dickson, you might notice that the shopping district takes up much of the suburb and doesn't go outside suburb lines. Ambi 00:27, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

sorry Garglebutt. Left a message on your page which I meant for Ambi. - part of the suburbs discussion. Adz 09:57, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * What consensus? There was a consensus to redirect these topics if they wouldn't be likely to get encyclopedic articles - so I wrote one. You're welcome to VFD it if you disagree. And yes, I did the right thing by Wikipedia - I markedly expanded the content and gave it its own article, so it could be linked from all the suburbs it is relevant to (which is not just Macquarie). Expanding content - believe it or not (your recent contributions don't seem to suggest much in the way of it), that's what we're here for. Ambi 23:05, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Feel free. I'm hardly one to be cowed by petty threats. Ambi 07:36, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Canberra
Thanks, if you anything about health or electricty (I haven't been able to find out from anywhere where Canberra's power is actually generated!) please help expand the new sections.--nixie 13:01, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Molonglo River
So do tell me WHY I can't point out that the owners of Captains Flat mine poisoned an entire river and then waltzed off scot-free with the money? Codman 01:24, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps we should respect peoples' area of knowledge a bit more, hmm?

Mount Owen/Queenstown
Aint stained by sulfur fumes, all that got washed away (!) The edit is good one way as far as to the point, but I'll have to find the time to get the myths in. It's great to 'be bold', indeed. It's a pity I just dont have time at the moment to sneak back into this one for the moment as the good edit in itself does create as many innacuracies as the myths did! But you'll have to give me time to get back to this one! vcxlor 04:24, 27 September 2005 (UTC) I dont think you'll find refs easily over the issue. I lived in queenstown in the 70's and some of the stuff i have been able to access is rarer than queen river water of the 70's ( the mine tailings had been ground down so fine that the town sewage went in at queenstown into the queen river and by the time the water was into the king river you couldnt find readings for e coli  :)   vcxlor 01:16, 28 September 2005 (UTC) Thanks for your positive response, at least queenstown has a lot more to it than meets the eye, if I go on with some detail, I'll probably add in a lot of refs (if I can find them) as well!vcxlor 01:51, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Time for a chat
Hello. May I say that I appreciate your civil and friendly post on my discussion page recently. I must say though that you are frustating the hell out of me with the changes you are making on pages dealing primarily with ecological matters. Can I politely ask, do you have the knowledge or the tertiary qualifications in ecology to be over-riding my contributions and making these changes so readily and authoritatively? I would ask that you become a little less ready to over-ride my contributions, as I have both knowledge and tertiary qualifications in ecology, and my points are very valid and well-informed, as much as some don't want to hear them. Of your recent edits, I have two points to make:

1) Saying "most species will eventually meet up with each other" due to to climate change and continental drift is not acceptable, is not particularly accurate, and undermines the serious of the Invasive Species article and the threat that invasive species pose. While most continents on earth will probably eventually meet again through continental drift, this will be so many millions of years into the future it is not funny. I mean, how long till Eurasia and Australia hit each other? Events like this are so far off that most species existing today will probably be gone (the fossil record makes it clear species, and particularly animal species, have a finite lifespan) and possibly humans too.

2) I will continue to delete that website that was put back in. Websites that offer a contrary point of view are OK if they are based on reasoned and scientific or logical arguments - the website in question is based on none of these things, only sheer crankiness and lunacy, and it is not appropriate.

Regards

Codman 11:06, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Further chat
I have modified the section on impact of Invasive Species in a manner which is a compromise.

PLEASE! Comparing introduction of exotic species to land masses they arguably would have never reached in the history of their existence IS NOT comparable to climatic processes (Ice Ages) or geological processes (continental drift) that take place on vast time scales. AND PLEASE! The suggestion that human beings can or have noticed the impacts of species colonising new areas due to natural processes such as the above is highly debatable, due to the long time scales of these natural processes, and humans well documented and hopeless inability to observe things outside of the time scales that are relevant to them.

I think the compromise is very reasonable and should be left as is now.

I would also suggest that you try reading up on evolution and related subjects so that you get a better understanding and background on the issues that you so readily express factually questionable opinions on. The essays and books by Stephen Jay Gould would be an excellent starting point; also any books on the evolution of Australian flora and fauna; and some introductory texts on geology. In doing such readings you would develop a better understanding of why arguments that "introducing exotic species is OK as they would eventually meet up with each other anyway due to Ice Ages/continental drift" are not particulary valid, and you would get a better understanding of why introduced species are such a threat to Australian flora, fauna and ecosystems and global biodiversity more generally.

cheers

Codman 01:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I wasn't questioning the impact caused by some introduced species; just attempting to tone down an aggressive ascertian that humanity willfully introduce new species to damage the local environment. I don't need to increase my knowledge of evolution as my edits were simply to address the provocative and ultimately over simplified view of introduced species. The destruction of habitats such as rain forest and the impact of global warming will be far more significant than a rebalancing of regional biodiversity caused by introduction of species not currently local to a given continent. Garglebutt / (talk) 07:52, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Griffith, ACT
Hi Garglebutt - I note your everted my change of stub on this article from {[tl|Canberra suburb stub}} to Canberra-geo-stub. There are two points here - firstly, suburbs are geographical features, for the point of stub sorting. Second, since Canberra suburb stub is going to be deleted within the next half an hour, it's not a good idea to change it back! Grutness...  wha?  05:09, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair enough - it's just to bring the Australian city stub templates into line with everyone else in the world: Canberra-geo-stub will be for any geographical features (including towns and suburbs) in the whole ACT - and Canberra-stub will be for everything else in the ACT (without the change, there would have been about ten stubs relating to everywhere else in the ACT - which is really too few for a separate stub category). Adelaide and Hobart's stubs have been changed in the same way, and Sydney and Melbourne's will be soon. Grutness...  wha?  05:24, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Ulu r u-Kata Tju t a National Park
Hi there Gargebutt

In the Template:World Heritage Sites In Australia, you made an edit emphasizing some letters in Ulu r u-Kata Tju t a National Park. The underscores aren't visible when it's linked, so I'm tempted to remove them again. Would you object?

Regards, Fred Bradstadt 18:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

List of postcodes
Are you going to complete listing this article for deletion? Also interested to see if you list every other list of postcodes on the wikipedia. --Martyman- (talk) 03:22, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * As you don't seem to be going to continue to AfD proccess, I am very tempted to remove the tag from the page. It survived last time when it was in much worse shape. Why would you list it again? --Martyman- (talk) 03:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You still haven't completed the listing proccess for the article. Are you going to complete it or remove the tag? --Martyman- (talk) 03:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, sorry if I have been acting a bit grumpy. I have a killer headache today and wish I wasn't at work. We will see how the voting goes, but I don't expect it will go any differently to last time. --Martyman- (talk) 04:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

"People's efforts should be redirected to more productive articles." What efforts? They're all there already, are fairly static, and are useful references. The only effort that's gone into them recently is my attempt at making them a little less ugly, which is, I suspect, why you've suddenly taken an interest in deleting them. Ambi 04:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * And you could set a better example as an editor if you'd addressed my point as opposed to attacking me. Ambi 07:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Tent Embassy
''Hi Adz. I use to walk to work past the tent embassy in the early to mid nineties and I am sure that on a number of occasions in the middle of winter that there was noone on the site early in the morning as all the fires were out and there was very little camping then so it was kind of obvious. Occupation certainly wasn't sporadic but I recall discussion at the time about how the prevaling weather conditions seemed to challenge the resolve of the Aborigines. Garglebutt / (talk) 21:18, 12 January 2006 (UTC)''


 * I thought I'd read it somewhere and have been trying to find the reference however I think I may have just read the line in Aboriginal Tent Embassy which says The embassy has existed intermittently since then, and permanently since 1992. I can see how being in existence does not equate to being occupied. Perhaps the section in the Canberra article should be re-written. -- Adz|talk 00:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Bloomfield River Cod
Thanks for the addition. I actually wanted to put a disambiguation page up for "Guyu", but couldn't work out how to do it. Is the "see also" you inserted instead fairly easy - just italic text and an internal link?

cheers

Codman 22:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Lollipop offer
Seriously, the offer is real. E-mail me an address to mail it to and the lollipop (or other snack food available in Israel) is yours. All this is assuming that Australian customs doesn't mistake the lollipop for some new kind of rabbit. :) At the very least, please enjoy this WikiThanks. --Mgreenbe 01:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Monolith Image
I saw that you removed the image of Devils Tower I posted on the Monolith page.

My reasoning for adding the Devils Tower image was that the current image Mtaugustus.JPG has been marked for deletion becuase of unknown copyright status. Frankly it looks as if somone has scanned it from a book.

If the Devils Tower image doesn't meet the requirments then I would suggest picking a different image from one of the related Monolith articles. --Colin Faulkingham 01:35, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I've found a better image with known copyright status to use. Garglebutt / (talk) 23:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Due Process
Due Process wasn't taken into account in regards to SPUI, so i'm following policy now per WP:IAR since there's no other option to assist him in this time of need. Karm a  fist  06:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Stub links to wikiprojects
I had raised the issue at AWNB. It was suggested I raise it at the stub sorting project and somebody else had already raised it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting. There have been no additional comments made. There is also the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Stub where you have taken it on to Village pump %28policy%29. I see nothing from the discussion there that supports the removal of wikiproject links from stubs. There seems no support for the move and in general apathy other from those of us who are interested in seeing them stay. I believe we have done all we can to seek out and gather concensus one way or the other. I will continue to revert any changes I notice of that ilk. Please let me know if you think I should add my 2 cents worth anywhere. Regards--A Y  Arktos 08:35, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Eyes
Just what are you implying?Alyeska 05:14, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Leave me alone. Alyeska 05:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Scary Movie 4
So I put the copywrite but I don't know how to put the image of the copywrite sign. What else should I put? Do you just be mean to people who tries to make this sight BETTER by adding cool pictures other websites haven't had yet? I'm really trying to help this website. If you see the Scary Movie 4 page, all of that was done by me. If I find something new, I'll add it there. So don't be mean. Cigammagicwizard 02:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Horse
By definition on the wikipedia page on vandalism, it is not vandalism. The information contained regarding hotbloods is far from correct and unfairly depicts a hotblooded horse as being difficult/flighty, when most consider the opposite to be true (r at least not true to the extent this article indicates). Shame that such stupid commentary happens in an encyclopedia. 71.209.155.152 08:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

You, my friend, are an infernal idiot. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.209.155.152 (talk &bull; contribs).

Abo
I wasn't deny-ing the offensive-ness of "abo" I was just saying it never has carried the same stigma as the word, "nigger". For starters, whenever you say aboRIGINAL or aboRIGINE you are still saying "abo". --Greasysteve13 08:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Jesus
Your comment...
 * Only really opposed by someone who unlikely to agree with this article until it is moved to WP:FICTION.

...very funny stuff. Needed. KHM03 22:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Mebibyte
I got the crash course in Mebibyte last week on the PSP article :p Seraphim  05:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually now that I think about it more, since we are talking about storage size on a memory stick like cartridge they might actually be using giga and mega, since usually storage does use the misleading terms to weasle lower capacities onto cards. (Sandisk/Maxtor sites will confirm that for mem sticks and harddrives they use giga/mega as giga/mega not gibi/mebi)

Mabey you should just change it to what the official site says and we leave it alone :p Seraphim  06:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

VGMuseum
ReyVGM 03:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC) I noticed that the Video Game Museum wiki has been scheduled for deletion.

It's true that I was warned twice about "spamming" a while ago, but I was new and I didn't really knew the rules and guidelines were so deep. I saw each game page had links to other websites containing information and images about the game, so I thought "Hey, maybe I could put the game ending links here" All links were directly to the game ending, it wasn't like I was linking to the main page either. I also don't know why was it wrong when I did it since I've seen other users link to the VGMuseum on a few game pages and those haven't been removed. There is a game that links directly to a FAQ I did on gamefaqs and that wasn't removed either.

I do not own the VGMuseum, nor am I the webmaster or the creator of the website. The wiki on VGMuseum is not self promotion since I only mention myself as being a staff member. All other comments and history were made objectively.

If something looks like self promotion (of me or the site) please tell me so and I'll remove it or modify it. But quite frankly, if gamefaqs and 1up.com have wikipedia pages, why can't VGM have one?

If the fact that it was I that added most of the information is what makes it look like self promotion, then... would it make any difference if someone else adds the information on wikipedia?

If none of the staff members or the webmaster can add the information, can we still give it to someone else to add it? After all, who else than the staff members would know all the history of the page?

Thanks in advance.

Reply
ReyVGM 03:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

"Hi Rey. The consensus may end up being to keep the article but, although I had some pleasant nostalgia looking through old C64 articles, I don't believe it is sufficiently notable to be on wikipedia so I nominated it. Garglebutt / (talk) 03:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)"

Sorry for pasting your answer here, but I don't really know where to reply and who should I be talking to. But since you answered I guess you're the man.

If you don't think it's notable enough to be here then tell me what I need to add or remove to make notable? Should I make it a stub? Should I remove the stuff about the staff members and just leave the history?

I went to 1up.com (EGM magazine's website) wiki page and all it has is a measly article and it hasn't been removed for not being notable enough. Gamefaq's wiki page is full of information about top100 games and forum talk and that was never removed.

I guess you can understand why I'm kind of baffled :)

Sorry
"You should keep your feedback on the AFD on the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Video Game Museum page to ensure everyone gets to see your viewpoint. "

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but if I keep my feedback there, you still get a notice about a new message?