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Constituent (linguistics)
Hi Garik. There is some dispute about Constituent (linguistics) (talkpage thread here) and I was wondering if you might be able to offer an outside opinion (if it's appropriate for me to ask). Best, r ʨ anaɢ (talk) 07:03, 3 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Rjanag, when I have a moment I'll have a look through the discussion and see if I feel qualified to comment. garik (talk) 15:38, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Terminology of the British Isles
You reworded a change I had made and asked if it's OK. I had wanted to convey the fact that it's not just non-English people who might be affected, but had trouble phrasing this whilst giving "non-English" prominence over English. Your suggestion seems a good compromise; thanks. Bazza (talk) 15:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Your User talk page
Hello Garik,

I have arrived here after having noticed your recent discussion about "British/ English/Welsh... films", and I have just enjoyed an all too brief glance down your very long page.

I know that you can take it off easily enough, so have taken the liberty of adding a Table of Contents to facilitate navigation. If you consider this a cheek, I apologise in advance, and assure you that "I respect your space"... a ghastly clichee that I've never used before... Kindest wishes,

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:51, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


 * That's fine. I don't consider it a cheek. I hadn't bothered myself because I didn't think of my talk page as something other people would find very interesting to read through. garik (talk) 15:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that. All the best,  Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:58, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

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Section retitled: Cwm Rhondda
I show a posting below that I received last night on my talk page, together with my reply, and the user's response:

Bread of Heaven

I enjoyed your collection of flags at the top of this page.

I know (the English version of) the hymn that includes the line "bread of heaven". In fact, it is right up at the top of my favorites. But please tell me what is the specific connection between Welsh rugby and "bread of heaven".

Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Cwm Rhondda is a very well known Welsh hymn tune. First performed in 1907.  Cwm Rhondda translates as "the Rondda Valley" in English, and more often than not, sung to the words: Guide me, O thou great Redeemer.  Wales rugby union supporters adopted it years ago, although the reason is not understood, apart from the fact that it is an inspiring song which everyone knew (Sundays in chapel) and could keep repeating, and repeating... I think it splendid.


 * It was sung at the funerals of both Princess Diana and the Queen Mother, and at the wedding of Prince William and Catherine Middleton.


 * Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 23:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It is indeed splendid, both tune and words.  The version I learned (in the United Church of Canada) began Guide me, O thou great Jehovah.


 * The part of the story I did not know was its adoption by the Rugby union. A great anthem, known to everyone in Wales.  I guess it is a natural.  Wanderer57 (talk) 03:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)



I am wondering if you would be kind enough to add below any knowledge you may have on this topic.

Many thanks for your time.

With kindest regards,

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk)

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Asexuality as a main sexual orientation
Garik, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality about the validity of User:Pass a Method adding that asexuality is "a main category of sexual orientation" to the Heterosexuality, Homosexuality and Bisexuality articles. Obviously, comments on the matter are needed. Flyer22 (talk) 14:16, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

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Why all the trees?
Hello, Garik, and thank you as always for your editing. I'm puzzling over this addition to Passive voice, though. It seems to me that one passive and one active example should suffice for the lead. Did you have some larger point in mind? Cnilep (talk) 03:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah, I wasn't entirely in a sensible frame of mind when I made that edit... I started off thinking that this article needs to reach the vast amount of people out there who use the phrase "passive voice" (or, more typically "passive tense"), but don't know what it is. So I added an example. And then I thought that what people really need to know is what *isn't* a passive. Hence all the examples of active sentences. But you're almost certainly right that it's a bit too many trees for the lead. I won't be offended if you do some pruning. garik (talk) 03:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, I figured it was something like that. I've cut it down to two active sentences, yours with "someone" as subject plus "The tree is down". Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 05:22, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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Copy/paste moves
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 * Yes, apologies. As I explained to Kephir, I should have known better... garik (talk) 22:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem - it's not obvious at all, and easy to do. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:57, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Term used that way (regarding linguists and high vocabulary)
Isn't that what lexicography is more or less about? Yes, sure, there are ambiguities. But people who work with their vocabulary (in connection with their lexicon) are often called linguists. MrsCaptcha (talk) 10:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * To add, we need a section for lexicography as a sub discipline, surely. It very much falls within the domain of generative grammar. MrsCaptcha (talk) 10:47, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I accept that lexicographers can be called linguists (although I don't see why it falls within the domain of generative grammar). However, "those who possess an interest in collecting a large vocabulary of words, and a continuously expanding lexicon" is an odd way to put it. It makes it sound as if you're talking mainly about hobbyists. If you think people who like collecting words as a hobby should be mentioned, find a source. I think lexicographers are included in the current wording, since they study language. By the way, this discussion should be had at Talk:Linguistics. I've copied it there. garik (talk) 13:13, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Names Llewelyn, Lewellyn and Lewelyn
Lewellyn and Lewelyn are definitely variations on Llewellyn, so to not recognise them in your otherwise excellent article is a pity and I believe it makes the article incomplete and even moderately biased. You mention they are not included in "the source". Two questions remain: (1) why have you relied on only one source? (2) why does the source you use not recognise these obvious variants that preliminary search on Google or in a phonebook, shows them to be clearly in fairly widespread use. The source quoted recognises far more obscure and more distantly removed variants, such as Thelen, Thewelling and Swellin, so perhaps the above variants are so obvious that the source didn't merit them worth a mention, however, if this is the case it should state this. Admittedly my own surname "Lewelyn" is a less common variant but nevertheless there are plenty of people who have this as a surname. I find it hard to believe that this is not, in all cases, traceable to the Llywelyn/Llewellyn name. I will try to find a recognised academic source for Lewelyn and Lewellyn.

Regards Liza Lewelyn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liza Lewelyn (talk • contribs) 07:13, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Liza. I have an easy answer for you: There's no problem adding these variants if you can find a source, or sources, for them (per WP:SOURCES). Indeed, I agree with you that the article would benefit from more good sources. But you can't say " [ According to the footnoted source ] additional variations of the name include..." when not all those variations are actually in the source. I should also add that it's not "my article". Like almost any article on here, many people have contributed to it. It just happens that I've done some cleaning up to it recently. garik (talk) 13:15, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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