User talk:Garrettw87/Archive 1

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Adoption
Hi there. I noticed you are looking for an adopter. Seeing as you seem to be the kind of user who is able to figure out things on their own, I think I can offer you adoption. I have no real adoption courses and suchlike (unlike some other adopters) but I do try to help whenever you have any questions at all. If that is the kind of adoption you are looking for, more of a mentor-mentee relationship rather than a teacher-pupil one, I'd be happy to adopt you, just leave me a note. If you seek something else, just undo my edit to your userpage. Regards  So Why  07:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Unnecessary number of edits

 * This thread was originally located at User talk:M and was moved here by M.

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, reduces edit conflicts, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Instead of making 23 small edits, why not go through the whole page at once, using the Preview button, and then save all your changes as a single edit? -Garrett W. (Talk / Contribs / PM) 20:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Please don't use this template in the future. I use both diff and preview on the majority of my article-space edits, and I read and revise my talk space edits two or three times before posting. I'm aware that some people don't actually care when others take the time to make their editing transparent, and might prefer seeing every edit to a page that is not their own compacted into one. I definitely don't want to see more of "here's a giant blob of text for you to wade through", especially on articles where there are editors who disagree. While perhaps the addition of hyphens might have been made all one edit, and the addition of all references another, trying to edit an entire article rather than just the sections is much more difficult for me than clicking 'show next' a few times is for you - though I suspect you used 'compare selected', which is even easier. Split edits help you find any errors that I have made and allow you to more easily revert them, they reduce edit conflicts due to the use of section editing, and they prevent ugly diffs like this. So I appreciate your concern, but the multiple edits are both intentional and preferred.    M   14:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

-Garrett W. (Talk / Contribs / PM) 14:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there some reason you felt it necessary to move the thread to my talk page? The initial message was to you, not to me, so it seems logical that any discussion would take place on your talk page. And it's not like I wouldn't have seen a reply if it was on your page: I watch every page that I edit.
 * Anyway, I can see your logic to some degree. Actually, though, I didn't use 'compare selected' for anything relating to your string of edits; I just noticed my watchlist was looking like somebody had a case of revision diarrhea.

Copy-edit request
Hi, I was wondering if you could take a look at the "Volcano" article. Hunter Kahn and I have worked on it recently and would like to take it to FAC, but we feel a copy-editor should take a final lookover. Would you be interested? Thanks already.-- Music 26/  11  13:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC) -Garrett W. (Talk / Contribs / PM) 20:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey there. Sorry I wasn't able to help out as you requested: around that time I didn't have much time available to spend on this site. Glad to see, though, that you made it to FAC anyway! :)

Mediation?
I was thinking of bringing User talk:Rahuljohnson4u to mediation to discuss edit summaries. Do you think that would be helpful? If I did this, would you be a willing participant? Thanks. Student7 (talk) 19:28, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 05:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You are a much more experienced editor than I, so I trust your judgment, but I don't know how much help I would be. I've never done any such thing before. That being said, I'm always glad to help out, and especially if it means gaining experience in the process. So sure, I'm willing.


 * Thanks for agreeing! Just being there and reporting what you have experienced and what you would like out of the discussion is all that would be necessary.


 * For the record, I've taken one last step which may take some time. I'm trying to report him to the administrators to see if the user can be warned. Whether that would help or not, I don't know, but it might help to avoid mediation, and will serve us in good stead with the mediator if and when we get there. Thanks again! Student7 (talk) 12:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Archiving
Hello, Garretw87.

You're right. But I assure you, I intend to archive that page myself in the next few days. Somehow I'm not a fan of archive bots, I'll try it if I continue procrastinating, so thanks for the suggestion. SamEV (talk) 20:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

There. Are you happy now? :)

BTW, I soon changed my mind after the above message and decided to keep it all super neat by waiting till the end of the year. Yea!

Enjoy 2010, Garret! SamEV (talk) 21:03, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 21:23, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha, good job. Happy 2010 to you too.

I reverted
Hi, I reverted your edit to Bell's palsy and I have explained why here.User_talk:Jmh649-- Literature geek |  T@1k?  10:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar
Many thanks for The Citation Barnstar. --papageno (talk) 15:59, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the "sneakily"-placed Barnstar!
I almost missed seeing it, as you put it directly in the Barnstar section on my user page, rather than on my talk page!

Thank you very much for it - and for your kind words. As I said at ER, I am hoping to get some reviews done next week (at a minimum, the 3 who are almost 30 days old and which have no reviews yet, but if I can do more then I will!)

Regards, --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 08:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 09:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You're quite welcome.

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Copyedit Backlog Elimination Drive
Hi, as a member of the Guild of Copy Editors you're hereby notified of and invited to participate in the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2010. Please help us eliminate the 8,000+ copyedit backlog! Participating editors will receive barnstars and other awards, according to their level of participation. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 00:18, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Your new WikiProject
It sounds like a very good idea, and as you can see, I have joined. I would like to help, but I quite often have problems remembering things, so... Would some sort of bug-me-every-time-something-needs-doing-ish-thing work? :) Hi878 (talk) 03:43, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 03:47, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I would definitely like to implement something like that at some point. I believe there are bots out there that I could sign up to use for that purpose. So it's already in the plans – I just haven't gotten there yet. Thanks for your comment. Do you mind if I ask how you found out about the project?


 * OlEnglish is on my watchlist, and I saw what the heading was, and went from there. I was amazed that I got to be the first to sign up for something. :) Anyhoo, I'd love to help, but as I said, I'll no doubt forget about this by tomorrow. :) So if you could just bug me every time something needs doing, that would be great. :) Hi878 (talk) 03:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * For now, I can certainly leave you messages on your talk page, but if you want, you can just watch the Bulletin board page, since I'll post such things there.


 * I already have it watched, but even when I do that, it sometimes doesn't register what page it is that I am looking at. :) Hi878 (talk) 03:55, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 03:57, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha ok then, I'll see what I can do.


 * Thank you. :) Hi878 (talk) 04:06, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, do I not count as a coordinator? :) Only kidding. Hi878 (talk) 18:09, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 20:03, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not for now, but I suppose I could call you a "charter member" . Once we have a more defined workflow/structure/etc., I may open up some so-called "co-coordinator" positions. As I'm sure you realize, there is no difference in functional permission level between "coordinators" and other members. The purpose of the distinction is to give the project visible leader(s) where a need for such may exist. (I should probably mention that on the roster page.)


 * Charter member works. :) Just so long as I get to brag about it. Hi878 (talk) 21:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Why????
Your (obviously automated) message on my talk page invited me to join your project just because I commented on your proposal page. I was against it!!!!! (EDIT: I had partial support, but now I am against it). I was (and still am) against changing the way talk pages are managed, the people who frequent and curate them should be in charge of formatting etc. on them not some project!!!!! I still can't believe I say I am against something and then you turn around and ask me to join... Mod MMG (User Page) Reply on my talkpage. Do NOT click this link 07:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: Striked out text where I made an error (yes, I realise I made one and that's why I'm not removing it fully!). My overall opinion still stands (the bit I haven't striked out).

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 07:47, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * A quick glance at the project's proposal page (point #8) tells me you gave partial support. Not only that, I responded to your criticism, saying your item of concern would not be part of our scope. So please don't come around acting like I should be aware of something you didn't say.
 * Your partial support is why I left you a message – and no, it wasn't automated: to make things easier, I just typed it up once and pasted it onto the talk pages of all users involved.
 * Now, to address your new objections. The talk page guidelines (WP:TP and WP:TPG) are for all of Wikipedia, and we aim to encourage more widespread adherence to them. Our aim is not to fundamentally restructure talk pages that may not follow the normal layout – but if you had read more of the proposal page or the new project page, you would know this already. Due diligence would be much appreciated.

Mod MMG (User Page) Reply on my talkpage. Do NOT click this link 21:34, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it was ages ago when I commented on that proposal and seeing the invite on my talkpage I assumed that I had been against it, sorry, I'll check what I wrote next time.

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 22:35, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted and appreciated. Now, if you can recall what sort of thoughts you had that led you to give even partial support, and if there is nothing else about the project you find objectionable, then I would appreciate your membership! (Otherwise, let's hear the objections!)

Mod MMG (User Page) Reply on my talkpage. Do NOT click this link 07:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the understanding!!! However, I would not like to join as I have one very big objection (already mentioned above I think), I believe that the people who curate and frequent a page should have almost complete control over how that page is formatted (and archived if applicable).  You may say "but they still have to follow wikipedia policy- we just enforce it", but I will remind you of how elastic wikipedia police can be, we even have policies saying how elastic it is!  Remember it is the wikipedia community as a whole who write, decide on, enforce, and change policy, not just the admins (and whatever other admin-like users we have, stewards I think is one...).  This means that one group (even if anyone can join it) should never have complete control over how wikipedia policy is enforced as it is the community as a whole who will do it naturally themselves, in their own way, the way that works best for them.

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 08:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. That's why I was carefully avoiding words like "enforce", because when it comes down to it, we (members) have no more power than any other (non-member) user. Similarly, I do not say they "have to follow wikipedia policy"; I realize where our policies and guidelines come from, and that they are not absolute. I also don't think we are somehow giving ourselves "complete control over how wikipedia policy is enforced"; those who join the project are simply those who agree on the method of enforcement.
 * I think, if nothing else, we would improve ease-of-use and readability where they are lacking. (Take a look at this cleanup effort.)

Mod MMG (User Page) Reply on my talkpage. Do NOT click this link 05:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As long as you don't force-clean talkpages even though the people who frequent and curate them have said they don't want you to. But looking at that cleanup effort I think you are doing O.K. so far...

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 05:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. If we come across a situation where our help is not appreciated, then we will certainly not force it. We might point out WP:TP and WP:TPG, but our cause isn't important enough to cause a war over. Who knows, if several pages want to opt out, I could even make a category and stick them all in it so all our members would know where not to use the broom.

Igloo UBX
To be honest, I think that it looks awful with a white background. :) Hi878 (talk) 21:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 21:56, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The main reason I thought it looked better was that the image's edge pixels were blended with white, which gives it a harsh bumpy edge when used with any other background color.


 * But I think the white background looks awful, and it is better the way it is, even with that flaw. :) Hi878 (talk) 03:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

- Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 04:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Very well then, it's yours anyway.

Grab some glory, and a barnstar
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Talk page thing
What is your opinion on this and this? Now that I look at it, I'm not sure if what I did was right. Actually, I have no idea. :) What would you say is the right layout? Oh, and we had a little discussion on SuperHamster's talk page. Anyhoo, your imput would be appreciated.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 01:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, how should that whole section be organized? IS the rest of it the way it should be? Hi 8 7 8  (Come yell at me!) 01:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Backlog Elimination Drive Has Begun
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March GOCE copyedit drive

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Milton Keynes
Thank you for your copyedit to Milton Keynes. We'd really like to get it up to GA standard so please revisit. You may have noticed that I reverted your edit. It was the easiest way to correct two problems.
 * (A) You were right about the bad maths but wrong about the reason. 196,000 is actually correct - the problem was that at some point someone 'corrected' the "since" date from 1961 to 2001, making nonsense. I have repaired.
 * (B) The 'Keynes' in J. M. Keynes and Milton Keynes do indeed have the same origin and really ought to be pronounced the same, but unlike wp, we can't correct historical errors! The origin of both is the Norman family, the 'De Cahaignes' which, if it follows modern French pronunciation [big if!], would sound like cah-hay-ns, making JMK correct. But here's the rub - how did it ever get spelled 'key'?

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