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Australian literature is new ACOTF
Hi. You voted to support Australian literature as the new Australian collaboration. Please help to improve it in any way you can. Thanks. Scott Davis Talk 14:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Tregear
Tregear is in Cornwall: http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=SUNA,SUNA:2006-49,SUNA:en&q=tregear%20cornwall&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl Cheers! Totnesmartin 17:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions
I noticed your post on the talk page for the List of NSW Government Agencies. I appreciate it responds to a statement by another user, but as someone who has edited this page recently I have a couple of questions to ask.

First, can I take it that all agency names beginning with "New South Wales Department/Agency/Office of xxx" should be "NSW Department/Agency/Office of xxx?" If so, fine by me - just checking as you have a greater knowledge of the style guide than I.

Second, I think you may have redirected the Aboriginal Housing Office to the Department of Housing - do you mind if I create an article for it instead? This applies to all the other redlinks on the list - I have recently edited the List to remove the various offices or boards that do not have a sufficiently independent existence to justify their own link and am slowly working through the remainder to give them their own page.

In relation to the AHO, it has its own board, its own property portfolio and its own distinct client base and policies, plus its existence is an itneresting concept in public housing service provision (not saying it works that well but this kind of delineation in housing provision is not common around the world).

I suppose the point of thiss econd question is - can the remaining redlinks be left where they are for a little while yet so I can get the articles that should be attached to them up and running. Euryalus 05:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Note, reply is at User talk:Euryalus.Garrie 05:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, yes that clears it up. "NSW Dept of xxx" reads better and is more likely to be searched for than "New South Wales Dept of xxx", and in creating new articles for the redlinks I will use this format and redirect from the longer form.


 * Thank you also for mentioning Blackett, which is a place I've never heard of (and I live in Sydney). Always good to read something new about your city.


 * The DOH will service indigenous clients but it prefers to refer them to the AHO which tries to place them in housing run by Aboriginal housing companies (like the AHC which runs The Block in Redfern).


 * This arose from the view that traditional public housing was not meeting the cultural needs of Aboriginal clients and that these could only be met by housing providers who were also indigenous. There may (or may not) be merit in this - there are valid arguments about self-determination and supporting indigenous businesses. But the biggest problem is that Aboriginal housing companies end up catering for clients who cannot afford to pay rent, so the housing is much lower quality than DOH stock and the already-disadvantaged clients become even worse off.


 * The Block is a good case in point - from an original 47 terraces only 15 remain. The rest became derelict from lack of maintenance funds and had to be pulled down. The AHC sustains itself by selling surplus land elsewhere, which is not a viable long-term option. Overall, the AHO/AHC structure is an interesting concept but one with a few challenges.


 * Anyway, off topic a little. Thanks for your advice on the naming style, which I will apply in future articles. Euryalus 06:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Sydney Explorer
With the Sydney Explorer article, well I think I was board the day that I wrote it and desperate for some ideas at the time, thats all I could think of, so if you want go ahead and delete the article or find someone who can add to it. On previous occasions I have tried to delete it myself but it keeps getting reverted. Thanks --AdamJWC 00:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It probably would be a good idea to delete this article, I have actually taken the main paragraph from the Sydney Explorer page and added that to atleast 2 other articles, with at the top of the section.--AdamJWC 03:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You mentioned on the talk page that the article need sources and references. If my source was a travel brochure and also their website then how do I cite this as my reference.--AdamJWC 02:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the info, when I can I will look into doing that and I will keep the info that you gave for future projects. Once again Thanks--AdamJWC 04:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hunter Valley
I put that section in the article becuase I work in tourism and I now first hand that a lot of people like to go to the Hunter Valley. A lot of people that come in to Sydney from oversees from places like Europe and even the U.S.A have heard about it and want want to visit the area. But I think you are right it is a bit to far out of the way--AdamJWC 01:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * when I get a chance to gather some info I will look into it or chip in if someone else starts. Thanks--AdamJWC 11:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan
If you want, you should probably check out this article. It was in a terrible state when I first found it, I have tried to clean it up a bit but it still need quite a bit more work done to it.--AdamJWC 01:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Comments in The Wesley Inquirer AfD
I feel your pain my friend, I feel your pain. We West Australian editors have spent many months dealing with them to the point it drove me to write an essay on the subject. All you can do with the registered aquinascruftians is gently coaching them through comments on their talk page, which will usually pull them back from a self-induced death spiral. Thewinchester (talk) 03:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

using this link with ref statments
I want to use this url in a ref statement: http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/ABSNavigation/prenav/ViewData?action=405&subject=Help: Zipped Files&producttype=Community Profiles&javascript=true&textversion=false &navmapdisplayed=true&breadcrumb=LPD& 2001 Census Community Profile Series : Bidwill (State Suburb)

Problem being, there is a space in the URL. The URL resolves correctly, but the "caption" on the URL starts at the first space - which in this case is actually within the URL. Is there a way around this? (I prefer would like to use rather than ). Thanks,Garrie 00:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Replace the space with &20, I think that should work. Bjelleklang  -  talk Bug Me 00:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you mean %20. --Strangerer (Talk) 00:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Absolutely, my bad. Try this: . Bjelleklang  -  talk Bug Me 00:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to all I've broken the URL somehow anyway... gotta work out the right one then I'll try both &20 / %20 till I get something that works.Garrie 00:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

URL Seems to be:

http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/ABSNavigation/prenav/ViewData? &action=404&documentproductno=SSC11236&documenttype=Details &tabname=Details&areacode=SSC11236&issue=2001 &producttype=Community%20Profiles&&producttype=Community Profiles&javascript=true&textversion=false&navmapdisplayed=true &breadcrumb=LPD&#Basic Community Profile

Garrie 00:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Well.. after all that... my snafu. URL from source of webpage is http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au AND /AUSSTATS/census1.nsf/log?openagent&BCP%5FSSC11236%2E zip&SSC11236&2001%20Census%20Basic%20Community%20Profile%20 and%20Snapshot &2B3478D48F87FC62CA256BBC0024F972&0&2001&19%2E11%2E2002&

Put the two together and I get

http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/census1.nsf/log?openagent &BCP%5FSSC11236%2Ezip&SSC11236&2001%20Census%20Basic%20Community%20Profile%20and%20Snapshot &2B3478D48F87FC62CA256BBC0024F972&0&2001&19%2E11%2E2002&

Which seems to work just fine.

Thanks to you both. Garrie 00:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Hunstead astro
I see that you are the "all westfields are the same" person, nice work and bad luck about being railroaded by the 'inclusionists'.

I don't know anything about Hunstead or Astrophysics. The entry in List of Old Falconians was too long, so I cut and paste for a new stub, including the leaving certificate ref, which should probably be deleted, but not my lookout - once the rockets are up...

You seem worried about whether Hunstead is notable, but the page certainly asserts his notability. - Grumpyyoungman01 06:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Glen Waverley Secondary College AfD
I know what you mean about no WP:RS included within the article. I half expect (and hope) that this article survives the AfD process, but comes out looking a truckload better because of the attention it will hopefully receive. Thewinchester (talk) 05:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Most improvements are good improvements, and I encourage most of them (except corpcruft and schoolcruft). This article is a good example of something that was built from nothing. Its involved some hard core research at the State Records Office and Battye Library, but it's paid off. I've actually got every intent of getting this article to FA class at some point, but there's a lot of work to do. Thewinchester (talk) 05:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Nicholas Harrison
I've removed the speedy tag since it wasn't clear to me that he actually met the speedy criteria (since is a professional athlete who hasn't played yet, it seemed like a grey area). Feel free to AfD the article. JoshuaZ 15:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

AB (food) AfD
Hi Garrie, moved this from my talk page, wasn't thinking! Cheers.
 * Garrie, thank you so much. I do sincerely hope that you did see the funny side of my argument, hence your post here, as I have. There was nothing malicious in what I was trying to do (and I'm assuming there was nothing in your reply either!), but thank you so so much, this has made my day. Fantastic! ABVS1936 05:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

ABVS1936 17:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Dr.Siegel
I didn't come by as an accident, but because I routinely patrol the prod's every two or three days. Perhaps I should have explained further, that upon removing the link, there was no grounds for deletion because his position was now verifiable, and since all full professors at research universities have published enough  and won awards enough that they are considered notable at AfD--at least all I've noticed in the pst 6 months have uniformly been kept on that basis, as distinct from those of lower rank, which vary. And I should have put in the additional information then and there, instead of leaving it as a stub. Well, serves me right for trying to rush :) no harm done, I can fix it.
 * Therefore an assertion in the lead paragraph that someone is a professor is an assertion of notability. DGG 18:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * continued on my page. DGG 03:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * a good reply--please don't take my words as gospel. I'll just advise you to go slowly so you can learn as you go. That's what I did. I gradually found out what worked & what didn't, & a good deal is in the actual decision-making, though of course always based on the rules.  DGG 04:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

County Road 702 (Palm Beach County, Florida)
As far as I can see, streets are not a part of the speedy deletion criterion A7. It apples to people, groups of people (clubs, musical bands etc.), companies, and websites and similar Internet content. It can reasonably be expanded to apply to other things: for example, an article about a product made by a non-notable comapny is essentially an article about the company; an article about your pet, your unpublished book, etc. is an article about you. Sometimes I go a bit outside the criteria; for exaple, I have speedily deleted articles about somebody's thermometer on the wall, or a notice at some university. I don't think I can justify speedily deleting an article about a street. - Mike Rosoft 16:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Tazewell Thompson article has been expanded
There have been some improvements to the Tazewell Thompson article that you may want to look at. --Eastmain 05:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Sydney Explorer
I noticed that you inserted a special drop down box into the section, places where the sydney explorer stops. I also used this special drop down box in another article by copying and pasting it into the other article. When I did this I realised that even though the box is hidden the tab that unroles the box actually says, hide. So to open it you have to click twice, is there a way that we can fix this becuase some people might get confused and I could also fix the other one. Thanks--AdamJWC 13:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: CR 702
See here ( [ →] zel zany  - uses a new sig) 02:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Craig Baumann
I don't really understand what you mean, the original request is here, if something is wrong in the article please feel free to correct it. WP:AFC has a huge backlog (several years) I was trying to help reduce it at the time, so I can't check every detail of what people say, if the submission is sourced and relevant then I had it. If more people help out at WP:AFC, maybe more time can be spent reviewing each article in detail and people can look into the articles they know the most about. As it is with so few people helping out at AFC, the chances of having someone there who knows about a particular subject in detail are very slim. I find it better to simply add the submission and then let wikipedians improve it. Jackaranga 05:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

University Oval, (Park 12) Adelaide
You've put a tag on that page to seek reliable sources. Is the Adelaide City Council not a reliable enough source about where their parklands are? Ozdaren 06:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree with you. If you read the definition of what an unreliable source is the ACC does not fall into that category. If you want to add to the article do so in a constructive fashion. Ozdaren 01:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You seem to misunderstand the nature of this principle. "Primary sources that have been published by a reliable source may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it's easy to misuse them". Stating that a certain park has certain features is not controversial. You are just complicating something that didn't need the attention. Ozdaren 01:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Fred Krahe
Hi Garrie

I'll add precise page references ASAP, but FYI my two major sources for the corruption claims about Krahe corruption are David Hickie's The Prince & the Premier and Tony Reeves' biography of Lennie McPherson. Both books deal with Krahe at some length, asserting that he was one of the most corrupt and dangerous officers on the NSW force, that he had a corrupt relationship with underworld czar Lennie McPherson, among others, was suspected of being involved in the Juanita Nielsen disappearance and the murder of anit-drugs campaigner Donald McKay; it was also rumoured that he executed a fellow officer who suposedly "committed suicide" at Sydney CIB in the late 60s. Krahe is also known to have coordinated the gang of 'bully boys' who terrorised residents and beaten up protestors involved in the Victoria St anti-development campaign in the early 1970s.

Dunks 22:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD for List of notable teenage parents
As the nominator, you are automatically considered to have voted delete, and you needn't explicitly vote again. Cheers! Flyguy649talkcontribs 05:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've seen (and sometimes do myself) give my reasons, and then put the delete at the end of my comments. Flyguy649talkcontribs 06:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Shortcuts
helpme Expand References. I want the references that come up, to be hidden until selected.
 * I don't quite understand your question. Please look at citing sources or go to the village pump for more options. Miranda 06:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

References Trying village pump as suggested.Garrie 06:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * NavFrame is one way to do it. The differing alignment is a problem though. –Pomte 06:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Tagging of Neil Smith (politician)
I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on Neil Smith (politician). I do not think that Neil Smith (politician) fits any of the speedy deletion criteria because There is clearly at least a claim or assertion of significance here. This might or might not pass an AfD, but it is not a proper WP:CSD in my strong opnion. Rember that pretty much any somewhat plausible claim of notability, unless obviously false or pointless, is enough to stop an A7. Here peopel might legitimately differ on how important this guy reallyb was, so speedty is not the way to go. Try prod or WP:AFD if you wish.. I request that you consider not re-tagging Neil Smith (politician) for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. DES (talk) 03:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't disagree with you about also-rans, at least in general. But there is enough chance that one has become notable during the campaign that IMO a speedy is usually not appropraite. What is enough of a claim to prevent an A7 is a matter of soem debate, and not every editor, or every admin, uses the same standard. I wqas involved in the debates that led to codifing A7 (although only as one of many participants) and my personal standard is "And statement which if supported by reliable sources would probably cause at least soem reasoanble participants in an AfD to opt for keep on the question of notability, and which is not absurd on its face, is enough of a "claim" to prevent an A7." This means that "Joe Blow is King of the World" deosn't make it, becausae that is absurad, althogh it would surely be notable if true. It also means that "Ann Baxter is a professor at AnyState U." doesn't make it, becausse merely beign a professor isn't like to be considered notable by any reasonable wikipedian. But "Ann baxter is a Professor at AnyStae, adn she was the first to describe the species XYZ" is, because that might be considered notable. Again, not everyone would agree with these judgements. DES (talk) 03:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh you might want to check if Neil Smith is the author and Libertarian politician L. Neil Smith. I doubt it, but still... DES (talk) 03:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Different DOB as stated on each article.Garrie 03:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Raymond Apple (rabbi)
I have rewritten this article with references. I would be grateful if you could take a look. Capitalistroadster 06:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * My response is on [|your talk page].Garrie 23:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Active user verification
Hello,. Due to the high number of inactive users at WP:WPNN, we are asking that you verify that you are still an active contributor of the project. To do so, please add an asterisk (*) after your name on WP:WPNN. Users without one by the next issue in 2 weeks will be removed off the list. If you have any questions, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks. Diez2 03:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

St Stanislaus College
Hey Garrie, Thanks for fixing that up! I didn't realise they were identical, should have had a closer look. Thanks again! Loopla 06:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Northern District Times
I really dont have an opinion I started the discussion as a courtesy without opinion after closing the AfD as no consensus - noting that merge was the preferred opinion but as to where hadnt been resloved. Unless some else offers an opinion in the next week be bold and moved to where you think is most appropriate. Gnangarra 00:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Beaches of Cronulla
Hi there I have implemented this template on Wanda Beach and North Cronulla Beach. Doing this removed a lot of duplicated text (which is what templates should do). Before I put it on any further articles in the series I thought I should see if you agree with what I've done. Happy to discuss change to the look etc of the template or to ditch all together if you don't see it as an improvement.

The series of articles could really do with mention of any surf carnivals / surfing championships etc that are held there, but I don't really know much about those kind of events. Maybe WikiProject Australian sports could help out there? Garrie 01:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * G'Day. The template looks great and makes the articles look neater. I fully support you putting it on all the articles.


 * Good idea about the surf carnivals held at Cronulla, but I don't know much about them myself. There might also be some information available at the Surf Club websites, I suppose. Cheers. J Bar 01:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks re: template, will go ahead and complete rolling it out. Should a redirect be created for the beaches that don't currently have an individual article? If so where should the redirects point - Beaches in Sydney seems a bit broad? Garrie 03:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No worries. I agree the redirects shouldn't really go to Beaches in Sydney. Maybe they could go to the Cronulla Beach page or alternatively the suburb page at Cronulla, New South Wales. I was planning to eventually create separate pages for those other beaches anyway. I was only waiting until I had a chance to take some photos of those places before creating anything new. If you're really keen, you can start separate articles and I'll put photos in there eventually. Cheers.J Bar 04:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Cronulla
Garrie, I made some changes to Cronulla, New South Wales because your recent changes had made the layout look like it disjointed and full of white spaces.Just something to be aware when trying to match photos with text, it doesn't always look the same on different size screens. Just letting you know that I'm not just making these changes for the sake of it. Sometimes it doesn't matter if the photos run over into the next section of text, but it does look bad if there are huge gaps in the middle of the sections in the article. Cheers. J Bar 00:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Suburb article
Re the suburb article, I agree with what you said on my talk page. One thing I do notice, in the Parks section (on a 17" / 1024*768 pixel res) the images on the right hand side go well past the text. Then, below the line of images (with white space on the left) is the gallery. If the gallery is reduced to three images, then the line of images on the right is able to continue past the gallery. If moved Shelly Beach Pavilion out of the gallery down to the culture/sport section, there would be a continuous row of images down the right side... does that look better? I see that the Shelly Beach Pavillion "belongs" to the parks images, but the layout seems better if the gallery is only 3 photos wide. The only other thing is all the images are on the right. I think that's OK - as it seems you do too - but the Picture Tutorial seems to recommend a bit of a more mixed left/right approach. I interpret this comment at Image use policy quite broadly: In general, galleries are discouraged in main article namespace; historically, such galleries are more often deleted than kept. I would prefer to direct people to the excellent gallery on Commons (that is also your work?) as is done with the commons template, rather than have lots of images in galleries in the sections of the article. With my screen / resolution / preferences - the image in a gallery is too small anyway, and "Bass & Flinders Point" next to "Gunnamatta Pavilion" with different proportions "looks wrong". Also: you are specifying thumbnail sizes... I thought it was "preferred" to leave that out so the size is set by the users individual preferences? Garrie 04:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's all related to the size of screens. My laptop screen size lets me view 4 pictures in a gallery and photos down the side at 270px size with no gaps or running into other sections. Anyway, I won't specify the size of the pictures in future (so they'll be standard 200px) which should avoid the problem for other sizes of screens/ resolution / preferences. As for the left/right approach, I've had other people delete whole sections out of the articles I wrote, just because it looked 'really messy with the photos on the left' on different sized screens, so I avoid doing that now. Thanks for all your the feedback. I'll keep it mind for future layouts. J Bar 05:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

PIA03498 + boundary maps.
Hi Garrie,

The suburb skeleton I think was the work of PeterJeremy, so I can't take any credit for that. However the satellite image came from http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA03498 (use the full-res TIF or JPG link on the right hand side of that page). For adding the boundaries, it was very low-tech - I just modified the image in Microsoft Paint, adding a red line for the boundary, and for determining where the boundary was I used both a street directory and the Geographical Names Board of New South Wales website ( go to http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/name/search, and then enter the suburb name & click the button, and in the list of results choose the correct one, and then under the "description" bit it will have a link to a map that shows the suburb's boundaries - e.g. Bidwill is shown on this map in the top left quadrant - click to zoom in). I wish there was some easier way of creating free-content boundary maps, but I haven't found one yet. Hope that helps!

-- All the best, Nickj (t) 03:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

white vs White
I agree, we need consistency. In this context White is being used as synonym for "Caucasian" and Black for "Australoid" or "Aborigine". As such they are not being used as an adjective but rather as a proper noun. Therefore both should be capitalised just as we cpailise "Aboriginal or "Tent Embasssy". OTOH there are numerous instances where the words are simply being used as adjectives, for instance "The number of violent deaths at the hands of white people" does not require capitalisation. Ethel Aardvark

Thanks in any case
I'm still mighty grateful that you have left me a message of support! -- VS talk 05:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Can you make my talk page not go past a "normal screen width"?
helpme Since I implemented header tabs, my talk page - and only my talk page - is now too wide to fit on a normal screen view. I don't have the same issue on other pages all fit on a standard screen width but on User talk:GarrieIrons the outside table is a bit too wide and I have to scroll sideways.
 * User:GarrieIrons
 * User:GarrieIrons/Useful
 * User:GarrieIrons/Projects
 * User:GarrieIrons/User
 * User talk:GarrieIrons/Archives

I stole all this from User:Sd31415, they don't seem to have the same issue at their talk page.

Any help appreciated!Garrie 04:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. The problem wasn't caused by the header, but the really big links here--Werdan7T @ 05:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem :) . Sorry about the wait.--Werdan7T @ 06:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Wagga, Wagga
Thank you for pointing that out to me. That was over a month ago, and I had to revisit the page to see what you were referring me to. I didn't know that it was a fictional belief, but figured that the topic about it would best fit in the sports section. As long as reviewers such as yourself are there to clarify on information that is not accurately represented, the article will continue to improve. I review a lot of articles, and they all have a variety of information covering many different fields. I am unable to know everything that the article covers, so I appreciate you directing this to me. I think you reworded it well enough to explain that it is fictional, so readers like myself will not be confused. Good job and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 08:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

User WikiProject Riverina
Hi Garrie. Sorry, but I don't know of any method of piping the link in the above userbox. In fact, I dont really know how to make the boxes and I only pinched the format of this box from User WPAustralia. You might ask the creator of that userbox if they have any ideas. Cheers, Mattinbgn/talk 22:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Lenny Loosejocks
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Lenny Loosejocks. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Kc4 17:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Wagga Wagga
Hi Garrie. I have replied to your comments on the Wagga Wagga talk page. Cheers, Mattinbgn/talk 22:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Men at Work is new ACOTF
Men at Work has been selected as the new Australian collaboration. As you voted for it, please help to improve it in any way you can. Please also nominate any other articles you'd like to see worked on, as the list is rather short tonight. Cheers. --Scott Davis Talk 12:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Air South Charter
Copied from Blood Red Sandman's talk page Hi, I think in this edit you removed the wrong tag. You removed the "unreferenced" tag with the comment "South Australia's largest charter airline is clearly notable". As your comment doesn't match your edit I have reverted it. There are still no references on the article (although there is one external link - I dont see them as being a reliable source for comments such as "largest charter airline from SA"). You think they are notable: but I don't think that SA is that large a sample area for determining the notability of air charter companies. I think you are confusing WP:Local with WP:notability. Please show how the company meets WP:N before you remove the notability tag, and include reliable references before removing the unreferenced tag. Garrie 06:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops. How embarrasing. But yeah, you got what I was trying to do (pretty obviuos, right?). I was going by the standard currently aplied that seems to be that just about any airline is notable, making biggest in SA more notable than many others. I will, however, go to WikiProject Aviation and ask the 'experts' for their advice on what constitutes a notable airline, they'll have a clearer idea. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 11:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Time for archiving?
Copied from Blood Red Sandman's talk page Hi again. I just noticed how long your talk page is. Have you considered archiving?Garrie 06:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I do keep meaning to archive, but forgetting or not finding the time. I should maybe get one of those bots hooked up to do it for me ;-). Anyway, it won't be happening for a little while yet, in a couple of days I'm off on holiday for three weeks, and until then most spare time will be preparing for that. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 11:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Australian history
Hi Garrie, thanks for your message. I agree, my replacement doesn't cover it, but I can't work out another heading. I'm sure there is a term or phrase, for the legal and social circumstances experienced by communities and their response to it. A neutral one escapes - I should have left it. I will ponder on this some more. I have no objection to undoing it, if you think it should follow the linked article's sections. History is a tricky one, it begins at an ill-defined point and ends yesterday. Regards, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  09:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem, as I see it, is one of structure as you pointed out. I think that it may lie in the history article, the main one anyway. There is a lot of time and geography involved, this is from another article on the subject, Period 5: The Period from Assimilation to Self Determination - 1943 to the present. Shorter before - wasn't it! Did you want me to have another go? Regards, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍  contributions  23:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Hervey Bay Bombers AFC
I'm confused, is this team on the lowest level of the Aussie rules football ladder? I know they're not on a high enough level to merit an article ... but want to know in case another team on that level pops up on Wikipedia. Blueboy96 22:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

St Stanislaus' College crest
Hey Garrie, Thanks for letting me know. I wasn't aware that we had to add fair use statements to the page as well. Will fix up as many as I can. Thanks! Loopla 04:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

AFL Bundaberg-Wide Bay
Hi Garrie, and thanks for the message. I agree that this article at present does not meet WP:N or WP:CORP. Personally, I would tag the article for cleanup and referencing rather than deletion. As I stated the the Hervey Bay Bombers AFC AfD, I think it is entirely possible that the article could be developed to a reasonable standard. AfD should not be used for articles that only require cleanup rather than deletion.

I have had a quick look at your merger proposal and will add my thoughts on the proposal there. Briefly, I generally agree with the proposal without prejudice to re-splitting league articles out when someone has the time and resources to do so. Cheers, Mattinbgn/talk 08:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Questions about images license
Hello,

Loopla suggested me to contact you regarding this questions - seems you know a lot about the use of images.

My questions is this... I am thinking about adding some more photos for St Andrew's Cathedral School, and I am just wondering about the license for the photo, so just would like to see if you know the answer or not.

I found some images in Picture Australia website, one example is this: http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/ENQ/PM/FULL1?13270,I

The "date of work" for this photo is in 1944, which is over 60 years ago already. However, under the image, it said "This image is provided for research purposes only and must not be reproduced without the prior permission of the State Library of NSW."

So can I use a image like this for the school article? If yes, which license I should use?

Thanks

Kid063 11:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * See User talk:Kid063 and Wikipedia talk:Public domain. Garrie 23:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use guidelines
Please read and reply to my question on Loopla's Talk page regarding the placement of fair use rationales in articles (vice the image description page). --ElKevbo 16:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Air Aroma International Deletion?
Air Aroma International Pty Ltd

Hey mate,

In the deletion discussion for Air Aroma in which you contributed it says that theres not enough aritlces to support the Wiki, i have found more that support the wikis information:

It is also mentioned that if another reference in addition can be found indicating notability, change to "Weak Keep"... Does this still stand?

The Age - Australian Newspaper: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/02/22/1171733950986.html

Daily Telegraph Australia: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21327764-5001081,00.html

Australian Financial Review: https://www.air-aroma.com/whatsnew-item.aspx?id=51

SBS Radio Australia : http://www.radio.sbs.com.au/language.php?news=archive&language=Dutch&page=9 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanvr (talk • contribs) 06:54, 21 July 2007

Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources
This relates to the text on the placement of footnotes which you helped to work out last month; you may wish to comment. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Merger
Hey, ive noticed that youve made a few edits to either List of schools in Perth, Western Australia or List of schools in Western Australia. I have proposed a merger of the two lists here and thought you may be interested in putting your two cents worth. Cheers. Twenty Years 14:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

West Coast Tas
Just take care - there are two west coast tasmania items - one an overview article, and another the local government authority - so when you start doing diff things for links to one - you might get carry over onto the other - its weird seeing anyone go into thos articles - they have been quiet for soooo long SatuSuro 23:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

RE:Category:Australian rules football songs
Well, sorry! It was my mistake. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 03:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

WestfieldNZ
Just letting you know I have got your message, but am a little snowed under. Will respond and see what we can do in due course. Thewinchester (talk) 06:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Julia Gillard
Message to voters:- Come on, we all voted for this to be the collaboration and then non of us did anything with it, it'll be pretty sad if it just stays like that, can we put this last day into improving it a bit? WikiTownsvillian 03:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Peter Costello is new ACOTF
Hi. You voted for Peter Costello to be the Australian collaboration. The article has been selected for the next two weeks, and unprotected. Please help to improve it in any way you can. Thankyou. --Scott Davis Talk 14:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Bathurst
Hi Garrie, I've a left a (perhaps not very satisfying) response to what is now your rather old query on Talk:Bathurst, New South Wales. I must say I find that paragraph a bit awkward too - I mean for starters, is it really that unique to have 'house museums'?

The whole article really needs a touch up. Public Transport, then Roads as the first two sections... --jjron 14:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hadar Marx article
Hi, you removed "Hadar Marx"'s article due to lack of notability. I am not familiar with the notability usual criterions, but I think she probably satisfy it. I assume you are not israeli (correct me if I'm wrong), she is a known broadcaster in israel which I think is safe to say that at least 100,000 people in Israel know her name (Galgalaz listers, the most popular radio station in Israel afaik). so if that qualifies as notable enough you should put the article again instead of redirection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yonir (talk • contribs) 19:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Sydney Exploerer
Would you like to join the debate on the possible deletion of the Sydney Explorer article. It has recently been deleted and then reinstated. I believe you wanted this article deleted at one stage. I wrote this article to help promote the service and impress my boss, as I work for the company that sells the tickets. Now I think this is wrong and I would prefer that the article was deleted [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sydney_Explorer debate on Syd Explorer]. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. 13:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Westfield Group
I didn't realise that those lists existed. In light of that, it might be worth torching all the lists in the main article and rephrasing them in prose. Rebecca 04:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Feral Brewing Company
No problem - I appreciate your adding the source. That's what was needed. -- NawlinWiki (talk) 21:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

notability at issue
Hawkes: you've removed the tag, so we'll need to see proper references for his supposed books. Can you add them in a proper section at the bottom please, or I'll reinstate the tag. Tony  (talk)  12:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But can we have some proper references for these claimed book publications? That is the first priority.
 * And your latest insertion might better be piped to a specific part of the WP 2007 election article to support the sweeping assertion that the debate has continued. I don't see evidence of this in the SMH online article that is cited, unless you mean that Hawkes himself has continued it (that's not the meaning of your inserted text). Tony   (talk)  13:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

prod concern?
I responded to your prod concern.

I am going to repeat that it is considered courteous to give a heads-up to the creator and major contributors of articles when you place a prod tag on them. I am going to remind you, again, that WP:NOT, and suggest that neglecting to show the usual courtesies to other contributors erodes the good will and good faith required for the wikipedia to reach decisions through consensus.

Can I ask, did it cross your mind that you could raise your concern on Talk:Zalmay Shah, rather than apply the prod tag?

On Talk:Zalmay Shah I put a link to User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Guantanamo captives aren't felons and aren't POWs. I hope you will budget time to read it.

For future cooperation Geo Swan (talk) 19:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I replied to your comment on Talk:Zalmay Shah. Cheers!  Geo Swan (talk) 16:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Garrie, in reply to your message about this, I removed the prod tag because the stated reason, "cited referenec is a dead link. Zalmay Shah does not return any hits on google or google news. Detainees are not individually notable unless they get widespread coverage", is not a valid reason for deletion. This is not a dead link, it is simply a link to a subscription only page, and even if it were a dead link it would not make it invalid as it was a reference to a printed publication. Also the proposed deletion process is only supposed to be used for uncontroversial deletions. Whatever your thoughts were originally I'm sure you realise now that this one is controversial! The AfD process is the one to use if you feel that this should be deleted. Phil Bridger 22:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Grading in Australia
Please take a look at Talk:Grading in Australia. Regards, Waldir talk 11:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Bidwill
Hi there. I noticed what you added to the Bidwill article. I went down this way thinking that each suburb in the locality should have similiar information.... but that isn't correct.

The information you have added, isn't really correct. That is, a number of groups occupied an area between current Parramatta, Penrith, and Windsor.

What really needs to be done, is to improve the articles for Eora and a number of other indiginous groups - then link Bidwill etc back to the articles for the indiginous groups who lived there pre-european settlement.

I'm not trying to downplay indiginous background of the area: hey one of the adjacent suburbs is named after the main local group at the time Blacks Town Railway Station was built. But the information needs to come across in a way that doesn't make it sound like the Darug people lived at Bidwill: Bidwill is just one of the places that now exists in the area the Dharrug, and other groups, used to live. Garrie 03:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Garrie,

As part of the Sydney Suburbs Project, we are trying to expand the articles for all the suburbs. We have tried to keep standard heading across all the articles. As such, most of the History sections in the articles are split into Aboriginal Culture and European Settlement and then whatever important heading may apply to the history of the suburb. I understand your point about Aborigines actually living in a place called Bidwill, but my information was general and accurate (from the Blactown council website). I think it would be more helpful if you provided more information or rewrote the existing information, rather than delete it. Don't just focus on your local area, have a look at other suburb articles: Five Dock, New South Wales, Summer Hill, New South Wales, Arncliffe, New South Wales. That's the sort of standard we're trying to attain. Cheers. J Bar 06:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced Article
As per your suggestion, I have added a reference to the article AM/FM/GIS. I will be adding more soon. But I was wondering if you could remove the "Unreferenced Article" tag. Thanks. Wikizen07 21:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

AM/FM/GIS
Thanks for looking into it. I understand what you are saying. If that is the case, I say leave the unreferenced tag on top. There may not be many references for each section as AM/FM/GIS has become more of a universal term in the GIS community. So people will talk more about its uses rather than how it really works. In any case, I will also try to find some more useful articles as references. Thank You. Wikizen07 23:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Tesco Controls Incorporated
An article that you have been involved in editing, Tesco Controls Incorporated, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. --B. Wolterding 12:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)