User talk:Garyfan

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 * Hello, I'm sorry but I have never been on any talk pages or had an open discussion. I have only updated and edited the page for Gary Martin (actor). I have never seen a signature button when I have edited.

Shelley Williams LondonGal 14:23, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You're reading a talk page right now. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 14:46, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * "What do you mean by your content must be verifiable by readers?" — This means that in general, a biographical article must have non-trivial sources that are not directly related to the subject, not just "I know Gary and he told me this". If you say "I know Gary and he told me this", there's no way for the average reader to know you're not BSing them. Has Gary been written about extensively (like, multiple paragrpahs or a full article) in a newspaper, magazine, etc.? If so, then those articles could certainly be used. If not, then he doesn't meet the notability guidelines. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 14:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * This is my first time on a talk page, so not sure where the idea come from that I have been here before.

I have never written on Gary's wikipage "I know Gary and he told me this", as it looks unprofessional and don't intend to write that either - has a comment like that appeared on his page? Yes, there has been one magazine article/interview with Gary, but no actual link to it as yet, but I have a copy of it. If I could find a way to place it on his page I'll put it there. On his official website there are comments regarding him and his work made by other notable people in the industry, a have placed a link on Gary's page for the readers to click on and go to. I have updated his page with TV work he has done and also provided links as to where the information can be obtained from to support this, I have seen links on others pages with their official websites etc. is this not the correct procedure? I spent a long time updating and editing his page yesterday all for it to be removed, why was that done? There was nothing wrong in what I wrote, if you clicked the links you could have seen everything was in order.

I have noticed that there has been someone else editing his page, me nor Gary know who this person is so cannot be sure what they are editing/updating etc.

I first started this page around 2 years ago and it's only now there seems to be an issue, Gary would like this page to continue and we would both like this situation sorted and haven't intended to write on the page in a way not appropriate to your standards.

Thank you

Shelley Williams --LondonGal 15:40, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments from other industry people aren't enough — that's just PR puffery. You'd need to cite a magazine article. See WP:IRS for what identifies a reliable source. Linking to their homepage is fine, but they have to meet WP:N, our notability guideline. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:20, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Gary has really only been interviewed for one magazine, but been an actor for many, many years and a very in demand voice over artist. What can I do to prove this? Upload photos of him on stage? Are you saying that the only thing I can write on here is just the one magazine article and nothing else? I thought Wikipedia was an encyclopedia, a reference tool, how can it be a reference tool, if I am not allowed to put true and honest stuff on here, the facts? If I write something that's false, that's fine, complaints can be made and the text re written, but nothing I have written is false. I only write with Gary's consent. What if Gary himself edited and updated his page? Would that be ok, or will his page be threatened with deletion?
 * From what I can make out, I have done everything right, what I am not doing is mentioning his TV work and placing a link next to it, I am mentioning his TV work and then placing the link/s beneath everything I right, with comments pointing the readers in the direction of the links. Actually putting the links in, don't that count as citeing? This site is quite happy to have the links for his official website and his IMDB page, but it won't allow links where you can see/hear his work? Or links to the cast list stateing the actors, including Gary, who are starring in the film? This page has been here for two years, why now is there an issue? I've seen other people's pages on this site with a lot less written about them and nothing to substantiate who they are. I saw a comment somewhere regarding Gary's page stating 'it was just a list of trivia', I then updated it, placed his recent work in, and it was all removed???

Shelley Williams LondonGal 19:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I see someone has made changes, is that how you want the page to look? I can keep it that way, no problem. I hope it's ok to put in my edits from yesterday Shelley WilliamsLondonGal 23:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The edits I just made as far as sectioning and wikilinking are more in line with the preferred format.DIFF I would encourage you to find actual reviews of Martin's work... both on stage and in film and television.  Showing he has received rrecognition for his work goes far toward showing an acceptable notability.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:06, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I have been wanting to place in the box on the right, but didn't know how to. The years active does have the wrong date on it, he started out in the 1970's, I'll confirm the date with him and edit it. I'll see if Gary has had any reviews written about him, I know of one or two many years ago, whether there is a link, I'm not sure. I can see now how you want the page to be written, and can continue to keep it that way, can the notice of deletion please be taken off and the page stay? Thank you, Shelley Williams LondonGal 08:31, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I see lots more edits and updates have been added, please note that my intention was to put in all his work, but as there was a notice of deletion for this page (and I had already put in some stuff the other day, which were deleted) I really didn't want to add them if the page was indesd going to be deleted. Me and Gary had planned on rewriting the page and updating it, it was just the time, and there didn't seem to be an issue in the past.

And to further help
I would suggest you might care to visit my eassy... A newcomer's guide to guidelines. Best regards.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:08, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, you can't use a YouTube Video or another Wikipedia article as a footnote. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's fine, a quick undo would have been suffucient. If you cannot find Gary Martin (actor) on google, have you tried looking for Gary Martin - voice over artist? LondonGal 12:47, 30 December 2010 (UTC)