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School AfDs
Sorry, a lot of people tend to misinterpret "no consensus; keep" decisions so I need to emphasise their nature. Perhaps I've accidentally carried over this habit to other debates. Anyway, if people have an issue with my closing statement, my user talk is always there; admins don't bite. :) Moving on, AfD is a debate over individual articles, not a topic as a whole. You can keep "because it complies with WP:SCH" but not "as per WP:SCH" (which arguments on WP:SCH?). This behaviour also encourages the original voter(s) to respond to any questions with "refer to WP:SCH". This does not foster a discussion or debate -- it's just a vote, which AfD is plainly not. Johnleemk | Talk 18:21, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

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County Signs
I used Illustrator to make them. I can make the whole set for all of California when I have the time if you'd like. Joydawg 22:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

US 101
Same reason routeboxint was changed recently - the old one was way too big. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates! ) 22:51, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

California Interstate Shields
There is a naming conflict with Interstate 238 which is why I haven't posted it yet. I have also posted California-style shields for 5, 8, 10, 15, 40, and 80 but have not placed them any pages, since I don't see any California-specific locations for them. Joydawg 18:42, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Maine
Running into problems. Could you cite the MDOT page where you found "Maine State Routes"? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  00:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Babe Ruth
I'm posting this message on you Talk Page either because you've contributed to the article Babe Ruth, or because you've edited other baseball or sports related articles. I've recently completed a revision of this article at Babe Ruth/rewrite. If you have the time, I'd appreciated it if you'd compare the articles and leave any feedback you might have on the rewrite discussion page. I'd like to reach a consensus before makeing major changes to the main article. Thanks for your help. --djrobgordon 20:39, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Shield clean up
Thanks for reverting the CA-1 image that I accidentally uploaded. If you want to, you can also go ahead delete the old revisions of them to avoid clutter. Joydawg 20:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Sports Wiki
I noticed that you showed some interest in the Baseball WikiCity. My friends and I have started a MediaWiki-based project that you may be interested in, one which goes well beyond the WikiCity one. I don't want to spam you, though, so if you want to find out more about it, please email/talk-page me.

(You'll note that I omitted the URL of my site -- I'm truly trying to not spam here! If you're not interested, no need to reply.) --DNL 21:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey
Just thought you might be interested in Articles for deletion/Battle of Hogwarts (2nd nomination) because you participated in the first vote. Savidan 21:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Urgent, LordRevan
Hello Gateman1997. It is clear that you are aware of the many deletions of right-wing templates by the Administration. I think that we need to band together to fight against this politically correct move by the Administration. Sread the word. LordRevan 23:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

"Speedy" keep?
If you really must vote keep on extremely undersized stub categories, please at least refrain from asking that they be "speedily" kept, for which there's absolutely no basis whatsoever, and is tantamount to an accusation of bad faith on the part of the nominator. Alai 18:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * As you see fit, and without even an attempt at justification? Alai 03:13, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You made a comment, but how does it rise to the level of a justification of the "speedy" part? Do you have reason to believe this nomination was improper, in bad faith, or for any other unsuitable to be deliberated for the usual discussion period?  If you're looking a generic intensifier, try "strong".  (Or indeed, why is it a "justification" at all?  Just how small a stub category would you propose to keep?  WSS norm is long-established at 60.)  Alai 03:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Your belief that it's improper is simply mistaken, then. Please see WP:SFD, which specifically states:  Their scope is too limited - As a rule of thumb, there should be at least 50 appropriate stubs in existence.  So how can making such nominations possible be improper?  And btw...  hours of work to sort six stubs?  Slight use of hyperbole, there?  Alai 03:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The rest of your work on US roads are hardly material, as I'm not "undoing" that. So as I say, hyperbole.  I have no illusions about changing your vote from 'keep', given your history on such matters;  the summit of my ambition is some small indication you might in future be somewhat less lax in your inappropriate calls for something to be "speedied".  If you're going to get outraged about admins not following correct process, you might have a stab at doing so yourself.  Alai 03:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Maine
Either that or a deletion review. That was a 33% consensus. Also see what crud the closing admin told me on my talk page. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  22:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:DRV Also... check out WA. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  23:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * if possible could you find a specific URL at the DOT site with the capitalized phrase? Because then I think a lot of their arguments would go away. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  03:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Stuff
I assume you know about the ArbCom filed on him earlier? I think he is under probation. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  05:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * "10.2) SPUI's creation of a userbox that referred to previous incarnations of the pedophile userbox was purposely inflammatory. For attempting to aggravate the dispute in order to make a point, SPUI is banned from Wikipedia for 10 days. Additionally, he is placed on Wikipedia:Probation. After he finishes serving out his ban, administrators may ban him from any page he disrupts, and/or ban him from Wikipedia for up to a week for each provocative edit he makes. If, after two months, SPUI can demonstrate good behavior, he may appeal the probation.

Passed 11-0"

I am an admin, but my judgments could be considered biased (not that I would be but still)... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  05:16, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Would WP:AN/I be better? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  05:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I started it. Feel free to add to it. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  05:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Well here's our options... yes removing the legend will help... well we can go to WP:MC. Also see Talk:Interstate 76 (east) where we had a similar debate. WP:IH wasn't as dead set to keep the routebox the way it was though. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  03:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

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Moves
How does it "break the disambig and search"? It follows disambiguation guidelines, and the old redirects remain for searching purposes. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates! ) 20:27, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

restoring the more informative infobox
Rather then changing from a standard template (that may be uninformative) to a hard-coded table, would it not be better to expand the template? I don't know much about the subject itself, but I do know a consistent (and automatically refreshing) appearance is almost always preferable. — Mar. 8, '06 [21:14] 
 * Actually it's a hand-coded table, depending only in and of itself. Perhaps it used to be a standard infobox and somebody substed it, I don't know. In any case, it's cumbersome to scroll through in editing, and each article would have to be changed individually if somebody wanted to change, say, the width or color of it. — Mar. 8, '06 [21:21] 
 * I doubt he's trying to destroy or "neuter" content, as SPUI has added far more road-related content to Wikipedia than any other user. You might suggest to him expanding his template as a potential compromise. — Mar. 8, '06 [21:29] 
 * We have. He refuses. A user tried editing his box... he reverted. He wants his exact box or no box at all. We're going to file an RFC or Arbcom later today I hope.Gateman1997 21:30, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * To his credit, the [ only revert] he made to the template was when JohnnyBGood removed the word "highway" (see [ hist]). Let's not jump the gun. — Mar. 8, '06 [21:38] 
 * Okay I'm going to poke around at various articles then go to the sandbox and see if i can come up with a mutually satisfying version of the template. This sounds rather frivolous for arbcom to deal with. — Mar. 8, '06 [21:48] 
 * Actually, looking more closely at SPUI's infobox, I see that it allows the user to add as many junctions as he wants, the only difference being the "postmile" stuff, which isn't really useful to the average reader unless there is, at a minimum, a link to something explaining it. If I had a better idea of its significance I might be able to determine how best to add it to a standard template, so maybe I'll go do something else for now... — Mar. 8, '06 [22:39] 

I'm willing to help but we've all got to go to WP:AN/I and comment. I got shot down last time. Could you add diffs, anything to help? Also go to WP:RPP if we need something urgent and I can sign off on it if needed. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  22:55, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Admin abuse
Nice to see that admin abuse is alive and well here on wikipedia. I've been blocked indefinitely with no explaination given on my talk page as is required... just snide comments like this "I unblocked JohnnyBGood to reblock him indefinitely as a sock of Gateman1997. I'm sure SPUI will be pleased ;-) - David Gerard 02:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)". It would almost be funny if it were true. But alas it isn't. And here I sit banned and the gent who did it conveniently vanished rather then answering any emails or queries to him. What a world, what a website.Gateman1997 05:35, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * A discussion is ensuing at WP:AN/I for those interested. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  05:55, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This is intolerable. They should require admins to stay online for a few hours if they're not going to post the reason someone was blocked. :| Gateman1997 08:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Can't anything be done to fix this?!?! I've been banned for 14 hours now with not so much as a peep on my userpages as is required. I've been wrongly hosed and now stonewalled here. I've emailed the blocking admin 2 times with no response... Can't someone run one of those checkuser things or ask David to at the very least respond to me? My email is easily accessible through my account. :( Gateman1997 18:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Editing redirects
Please do not edit redirects like you did with State Route 15 (California) and State Route 99 (California). This is a clear example of being a dick. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates! ) 22:41, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry man, I was just doing what I thought I had to do to protect the pages from the moves you're making.Gateman1997 02:43, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm still here
Just thought I'd let you all know I'm still here... watching. I'm like Santa Claus.Gateman1997 01:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Unblocked
I've unblocked you per WP:AN/I. Sorry it took so long... I slept in too late. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  20:20, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Welcome back.--Censorwolf 13:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

County
Wait... what's going on with the page moves? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  05:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I do agree, but wait until after the med case is settled so we don't have weakness... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  02:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

County Shields
Yes, I would be glad to help with the shields. I think it's best to just make them incrementally as the articles come online. Also, the colors I used on the Santa Clara ones do not match the ones that others have made. I will probably redo them to match the others, unless you prefer my colors. Joydawg 21:36, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

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Moving pages
Can we agree to not move any more CA pages until the mediation case goes through? Otherwise I'll have to protect or go to WP:RPP since now it's just making a mess. (Not including county routes). --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  01:12, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well apparently SPUI will not truce. I don't blame you for taking a break... I wonder about it myself sometimes. So yeah. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  01:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Flat-out vandalism
 * Flat out vandalism 2 --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  06:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

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CA 2
Please visit California State Route 2 and vote on the page move.JohnnyBGood 00:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

help!
WP:AN/I section about me. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  06:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Template:CAFES and Template:CAFESAlt
I notice you voted Keep on the TfD for Template:CAScenic and Template:CAScenicAlt, but you haven't voted on Template:CAFES and Template:CAFESAlt. The former vote is tied at 3/3 but the latter is 3/2 against. Assuming this was an oversight on your part, you might want to go to Templates_for_deletion and vote again? TIA, -- Mwanner | Talk 00:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:US 101.gif listed for deletion
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Mediation Case U.S. Roads
Concerning this case:

If you need a fast assignment of a mediator it generally helps when you are willing to mediate in a different case. If you can't mediate yourself maybe somebody else interested in the case would be willing to mediate and thereby increase your chance to get a mediator fast. --Fasten 11:48, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-12 U.S. Roads
If you are interested in this case please leave a statement at this page for the mediator. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  21:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

SPUI
I've blocked SPUI from making any transportation-related moves for 48 hours. I urge you not to revert his moves while this gets discussed. Ral315 (talk) 22:03, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The dust has cleared. Now what do we do? (Also could you add a link to your talk page to your signature? It helps a lot when replying. ) --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  22:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It appears that more and more people want that. I'd need help drafting it though... maybe as a user subpage or something. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  22:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:ANI last section. I've been accused of harassment. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  22:45, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

So should we start writing up the RFC then? User or article? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  23:34, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I guess since there's really not much writeup for a article RFC... the supporters could be a problem though. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  23:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's been my concern too. But if we loose fair and square we loose. But at least it will be through consensus process. However I hope that doesn't happen. I don't want to see that fool get what he wants after all the garbage he's put us through.Gateman1997 23:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

A precedent which might concern you deeply
Requests for arbitration/AndriyK. This was pointed out to me by an Arbcomm member. I find it quite relevant to the current dispute. — Mar. 27, '06 [00:14] <[ freakofnurxture]|[ talk]>


 * "You also might want to notify SPUI since anything I've done he's also done." Although I've been tempted, I've never edited a redirect to prevent moving over it. I realized early on that this is simply dickish. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates! ) 00:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Gateman, note that in the diff you provided, SPUI was fixing a double redirect. If a page is moved from "A" to "B", then from "B" to "C", "A" must be edited to point to "C" instead of "B", otherwise the incoming links and searches are broken. — Mar. 27, '06 [00:43] <[ freakofnurxture]|[ talk]>

A template that might concern you deeply
Template:Infobox WA State Route. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  01:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)