User talk:Gatoclass/Archive 19

MSU Interview
Gatoclass,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:
 * Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
 * Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
 * All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
 * All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
 * The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 19:29, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Undue paragraph or section
Would be nice to get a clarification to your concern.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  22:13, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Partisan Pigs.
Hi. You mentioned a while back that you were going to look at the sources of this "conspiracy" on the zoological conspiracy theory page. I have withdrawn from editing the page, but I would be very grateful if someone would have a look at the basis for this claim. Specifically, how can the story be a conspiracy "propagated by the Arab media and Arabic language websites" when the allegation was reported credibly by CNN in the context of confirmed settler violence and harassment of a Palestinian village. Thanks Dlv999 (talk) 13:25, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Donna Eden
Hi, I noticed you removed the delete-proposal tags from this page. I'm not sure why this page was retained, however in it's current form this page is a stub on a non-notable topic. Any suggestions how I might escalate this since I do not think anybody is willing (or can) make this article worthy of wp. --Salimfadhley (talk) 15:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The article passed an AFD some time ago so there was consensus that the topic was notable. I haven't looked at the article for a long time but IIRC there were some sources around which were sufficient to establish notability. However, since you've made the request, I will try to find time to have another look around for sources over the next week or so. Gatoclass (talk) 10:09, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Regarding suggestions that I cherry-picked quotes or used Eden's quotes out of context, please permit me to provide a rationale:

The quote from Seattle Times was the only quote from Eden in the entire article. All the other quotes were attributed to different individuals. The article was about "Offbeat" health-practicioners - it was clearly the journalist's intent to highlight what was offbeat about each of the article's subjects.

The quote I used from the Ashland newspaper was actually the first line of the article, I can only assume that the author put it first because it succinctly outlines the basis for Ms Eden's beliefs. Once again the suggestions of cherry picking and use out of context do not stack up.

I'd respectuflly request once again that you withdraw any suggestions from the talk & afd pages which might be construed as an allegation of bad-faith editing.

Finally, I share your concern that quoting Eden might present her as "a crank", however I think almost any close reading of her published works would lead us to conclude that her beliefs are fringe. I think your issue is with the sources of myself, rather than my selection of quotes from the sources. As a compromise I'd propose that we could remove both of these sources entirely from the article. Perhaps we could also work together to find reviews of her work which are more neutral in tone? --Salimfadhley (talk) 16:14, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

AFD
While I disagree with your analysis of the available sourcing at that AFD, I would like to commend you for making reasonable policy-based arguments and for remaining polite. Your efforts strengthen the community and the encyclopedia. Happy editing, - 2/0 (cont.) 04:39, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, much appreciated :) Gatoclass (talk) 09:12, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Your request at WP:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification
Regarding your request for the thread to be closed, it would be a clerk and not a bureaucrat who does that. It is common for Clarifications to sit for quite a while. If you really want a closure, ask an Arbcom clerk to see what they can do. In the meantime, nothing prevents you from adding your own comments in the AE thread that you asked about, just add it there as 'Statement by Gatoclass.' My suggestion would be just not to act as a *closer* of the AE unless your Clarification ends with a definite result. If you had asked me (and not Arbcom) I would say there was no involvement unless you had been actually editing within AA. DIGWUREN is best reserved for 'typical Eastern European disputes,' which can include Germany, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, the former Soviet Union and the Baltic states. Very often these disputes have something to do with WWII.

That is my definition, anyway. I suppose that Armenia and Azerbaijan were part of the former Soviet Union but I don't think there is any precedent for use of DIGWUREN in that specific conflict. As another example, ARBMAC might be considered to overlap with DIGWUREN but ARBMAC is more specific, so it is always used whenever it applies. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You've decided to drop the idea of participating in this AE. I had been hoping that more people would show up to help with the analysis. But speaking hypothetically, and not necessarily for this specific request, what would you think of a 500-edit minimum requirement that might be imposed on a troubled article as a discretionary sanction? This would exclude most socks. EdJohnston (talk) 15:52, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I was hoping someone else would contribute too, but I guess after I put up my request to wait until the request for clarification had been closed, others probably decided not to bother. I felt I had to bow out though because I would need to review the evidence all over again at this point, and I just don't have time to do that right now.


 * Regarding the notion of a 500-edit minimum requirement, I guess it might help reduce sockpuppetry, but it may also alienate potential good faith new contributors. I suspect determined socks could probably run up 500 edits pretty quickly if they really wanted to anyhow. But in some circumstances I suppose it might be worth a try. With regard to the Nagorno-Karabakh case BTW, it might be a bit stale to impose sanctions, I haven't had time to review the talk page but at least the contributors don't seem to be edit warring over that massive 30k addition anymore, which is what brought the page to AE in the first place. Gatoclass (talk) 16:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. Just now I saw you had proposed '500 mainspace edits outside the topic area' as a criterion in this edit to the AE. Since a minimum-edit requirement could be the most efficient way of shutting down sock editing, I've also taken this proposal to T. Canens' talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 17:21, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Do you think you could have a look at this?
— M. Mario  (T/C) 10:06, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

siddha yoga crisis
Hi , there are two articles on the subjects siddha yoga and siddhayoga, while the one i was removing links the article is much like a private business in India siddha yoga, where some preachers open their own Ashrams and continue to get donations and sell articles , the siddha yoga does not have other official source other than there own website and self published sources , so i am a good intention editor. now how to deal with this mess ? Shrikanthv (talk) 08:50, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Caucasian Albania
Hi. Thanks for closing the request on C. Albania at AE, it was there forever. I think the new remedy should also be logged here:  Regards,  Grand  master  17:31, 4 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reminder, done. Gatoclass (talk) 04:09, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Possible Queue 6 late substitution or addition
You an administrator who is quite active at WP:DYK, so I wanted to call your attention to a particularly timely hook for the next queue Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know. You may want to make a late addition or substitution.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Kundalini page
As an admin, why would you delete the only material in the article that comes from actual PhD's in ancient studies?Atiyogafan (talk) 15:30, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * please discuss on the talk page of the article. Atiyogafan (talk) 15:32, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK
Is it possible to nominate the same article with two DYK or more? I already have a DYK veryfied and approved for Yuderqui Contreras, but I have other two of them on mind, should I submitted? ... that 2012 Olympian Yuderqui Contreras have been six times Weightlifter of the Year? Osplace 01:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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Kundalini
Well, the ANI thread archived off again, but RTO is a confirmed sock of Fatehji (who was almost banned). I'd posted the relevant links on the ANI thread before it archived. I've also asked EdJohnston to take a look as he'd filed the SPI earlier. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  02:56, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes indeed... "cheers". It's nice to see how you two are communicating and colluding together, as you clearly have for years... I have explained in the talk pages long ago this was no "sock" as this was not for purposes of masking myself. This was over a year ago due to a password loss and I never used the account again. Case closed.


 * So.. the glaring open response is why would you not answer the question above? It looks really bad for you now when you delete PhD of studies material and never offer any explanations... One of these days you will have to make a choice... Take interest in the subject and make constructive adjustments, or move on. Harassing editors and PhDs and deleting stuff you don't personally like makes you look very ugly. A wise man once said: the better man is the first to say sorry. So, I offer my hand in truce to shake and work together... But if not, then you must move on to other things that interest you... It's up to you... RogerThatOne72 (talk) 06:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for cognitive vulnerability
Greetings. I found you from the DYK main page. I was wondering if you can add your two cents to this nomination. Your help is greatly appreciated.Khyati Gupta (talk) 18:12, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination
Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Ellen Southard at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with db-g7, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 03:58, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help with the nomination & hook. Socrates2008 ( Talk )  20:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

T.J. Southard ref
Take a look at this for some more information about his business and family. Socrates2008 ( Talk ) 12:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I already found that reference along with several more :) IMO there is not a lot I can use in that particular reference for the Southard article, but if you've yet to take a close look at it, I think you will find some useful info about the Ellen Southard - namely the division of ownership, and a number of voyages she appears to have made to the captured Union port of New Orleans in 1863.


 * Naturally I regret that we were not able to collaborate more effectively on the Ellen Southard article, but perhaps it is for the best as the time I have available for pursuit of my wikihobby is at present quite limited. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 12:20, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Re-opening polls anytime?
You halted two limit proposals that I started, so I must discuss first. However, I don't know what to say about DYK/GA, especially with drama in WT:DYK. I don't fully support GA-promotion as a criterion for DYK, but I believe that another consensus may concur with Erasurehead's closing rationale. If so, shall these polls be re-opened? --George Ho (talk) 04:22, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK/BLP Hook
Hi, I was going to drop a sternish reminder at DYK that content should be more than just rubber stamped for the main page. They should be looking at the content to make sure it doesnt violate the wider WP policies. Can I confirm what you deleted/edited the material under? I would have gone with WP:AVOIDVICTIM, WP:NPF, WP:BLP1E, WP:BLPNAME all of which apply (or applied since you have done a decent cleanup job!) to the offending material. Thanks. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:25, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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Ah Boys to Men
Hi there Gatoclass, would you mind if I were to ask you to review Template:Did you know nominations/Ah Boys to Men? Cos I saw your nice name on the list of admins active in the dyk process. Thanks. Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 09:14, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback
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Another look
Hi Gatoclass. You passed on Template:Did you know nominations/Ginger: The Life and Death of Albert Goodwin due to lack of coverage, but we've done a bit of a refocus/rewrite. Would you be able to take another look? Regards, The Interior  (Talk) 06:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Information
I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My 76 Strat (talk) 11:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

A hook
Hello. Can you please explain this hook change? — ΛΧΣ 21™ 04:05, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Matthew Arundell
Hi Gatoclass. After you reviewed the DYK nomination of Matthew Arundell and posted some careful comparisons, I said I would do some reworking of the article, and this is what I've done. Moonraker (talk) 06:18, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for T. J. Southard (162/3 DYKs)
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Help
help me if possible I have this problem so well  in english - from left to right I think the Template is incorrect click here to see in somali --abshir (talk) 11:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, I'm totally unfamiliar with that template, I suggest you inquire at WP:HELPDESK. Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The notoriuos wiki troll ( Iaaasi) returned
Hello!

The well known chauvinist romanian wiki-troll User:Iaaasi returned (with a new croatian fake identity) He is now active alias user: Irji2012 He is often active in Hungarian-related aricles, he enjoy edit-warring deleting good sources and sentences from important articles, and he like to break the rules of wiki even 3 revert rule. Can you arrange about this notorious wiki-troll? Thank you! Peter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.49.97 (talk) 10:54, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Promontory Forts of Cornwall
Have the recent edits to this article addressed your concerns? If so, probably time for the next step; if not, something needs to happen. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:30, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

PS Commonwealth
Hello there. I wanted to let you know that I really enjoyed your article on PS Commonwealth and that next week I'm hoping to be able to add/correct some of the information in the "Models" section. The model that Tiffany & Co. took to be exhibited in Paris is the model that was presented to Captain Jerome W. Williams and is currently owned by The Mariners' Museum. It's such a wonderfully written article that I felt awkward about working on it without letting you know first. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Neochichiri11 (talk) 21:06, 14 December 2012 (UTC)


 * No, that's fine, you are welcome to add or correct any info in the article so long as it is adequately sourced. And thanks for the other comments, glad you enjoyed it :) Gatoclass (talk) 05:54, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

WT:DYK
I wanted to let you know that I've started a discussion after your switch in Prep 4 of my choice for a lead hook with your own. There are principles involved that you may not have considered, or felt important, but I wanted you and the DYK community at large to be aware of another perspective. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:32, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Human rights movement
Gatoclass, I've tried to jumpstart the discussion of this DYK submission. As you were the one who removed it from the queue in early December, I imagine you'll want to contribute your thoughts. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:10, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know/Queue/1
I noticed that you replaced one lead hook with another. I wonder if you can fix the "(pictured)" thing and remove credentials of the replaced hook from queue, and I wonder if the replaced hook can be placed into one prep area. --George Ho (talk) 05:59, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Give me a chance please, I'm not through organizing the queues yet. Gatoclass (talk) 06:02, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Some DYK issues
Gatoclass, I wanted to be very sure that you realized that the current lead hook in Queue 6, Italian Hall, has "today" in its wording. That means it should run during the US daytime on December 24, the day it is commemorating. Since it was put in the special holding area almost a month ago, it deserves to run in the US daytime queue, whatever that ends up being.

Poeticbent seems to think that running Italian Hall in the same set as Pasterka—especially as the lead hook—is insulting to Catholics. I don't see it, but if the two can't appear together, I think Pasterka ought to have the earlier slot and Italian Hall the later because of the time zone issues, if they're both going to be lead slots, and at this point I don't think it's fair to demote Italian Hall.

Of the others, the Sri Lankan sports/Christmas hook should run in the first Christmas slot (the one with India at 05:30), and the US ones should go in the second. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't subscribe to the view that hooks should be run during daytime in particular countries, especially for US hooks since there's so many of them, indeed this was a strategy that was rejected multiple times in discussion when I was contributing on a more regular basis here. Moreover, I have an objection to such a negative hook running as a lead on Christmas Eve, and it's only acceptable to me as a lead if it runs earlier in the day (UTC) rather than later, which is why I put it into that particular queue. Gatoclass (talk) 06:18, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * But the hook text is wrong if it runs then. If you aren't going to move it, then you need to fix the text. I suggest that "today" becomes "on December 24". Otherwise, most of the people in the US who read it will assume the event happened 99 years ago on December 23, because that's when they'll see it, and we shouldn't run hooks with wording that we know will be misleading due to when they're being run. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * See my response at WT:DYK. Gatoclass (talk) 06:31, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I did. Thanks. Technically true, but less reader friendly for the US audience. I'll leave it now. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Anantashayana Vishnu
The above article is still under DYK Prep area 4, but I just got a message, under your signature, on my user page stating that it is posted on the DYK Main Page. It is not there in the Main Page. It does not even have the text of the DYK. There is some confusion. Can you kindly check" to rectify the issue. Thanks.-- Nvvchar . 12:22, 24 December 2012 (UTC)