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2019


Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019

a time for thanks and praise

begin it with music and memories

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/White wagtail
Gatoclass, if the sourcing issue for the table has been settled to your satisfaction, can you please restore the approval tick so this can indeed run now that it's 2019? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:43, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Loschbour man
Gatoclass, I was hoping you could return to this nomination that you pulled and help get it moving again after the hook suggestion (which seems to have come from the ERRORS discussion). Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:38, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Charles Morgan (businessman)/GA1 redux
Gatoclass, it's been about two months since I posted above on this GAN, and the review is now over seven months old. Would you like me to find a new reviewer? You've been more active at DYK of late, so perhaps you could finish this review, but if not, it's probably time to find someone else. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:32, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It is currently the oldest open review. Could you please finish it up. AIRcorn (talk) 21:57, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Aircorn, as you can see from the wikibreak notice at the top of this page, Gatoclass is currently moving house, and is unlikely to have internet until late this month or early April. Perhaps another reviewer needs to be found to finish this up. It has been over three months since I first posted here about it. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:54, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Pulled hook
I understand why you didn't reopen it right away. Thanks for the catch too and I was able to verify how old he was during the end of the filming (100 years old). SL93 (talk) 00:57, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Most commonly
Hi, why did you revert my change? I explained why "most commonly" is inaccurate in the edit summary and also at WP:TRM. The sentence could probably be reworded to make it clear that the most common number of fathers is three, but that is not the same thing as saying this scenario is the most common. Your change has made the article say something that isn't verified and you need to revert it or reword the sentence. Thanks. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2019 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2. With 56 contestants qualifying, each group in Round 2 contains seven contestants, with the two leaders from each group due to qualify for Round 3 as well as the top sixteen remaining contestants.

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April Fools Day sets
Hi, I'm willing to help build prep sets for April Fools Day, but some of the hooks seem more straightforward than deceptive to me. In particular, the mud pie hook seems really obvious, and pairing it with an image gives it away entirely. The card game hook also seems pretty straightforward. Is it okay if I go ahead and promote the FBI hook to an image slot? I love the caption! Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 11:24, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks :)


 * I agree that the mud pie hook isn't very April fools-ish, but another user gave it a pretty strong endorsement and I decided it was a battle not worth fighting (given that I have my hands full trying to exert a degree of quality control over a bunch of other hooks).


 * As to which hooks you choose to run in the lead, that's not an issue I want to buy into given the degree of involvement I've already had with the nominations - so that's entirely in your hands from my POV.


 * My one comment would be that you shouldn't start building the sets too soon as there is still a substantial bunch of hooks being negotiated. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 12:09, 27 March 2019 (UTC).
 * OK, thanks. It can wait another day or two. Yoninah (talk) 13:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi again. This is the first year I've assembled AFD sets, and I can't say I'm so impressed. It's too bad you can't find more good material in the regular nominations pages. I've done what I could so far, awaiting some questions and final ticks. Yoninah (talk) 13:31, 31 March 2019 (UTC)


 * , which ones do you think are needing "final ticks"? I thought they were all verified except the Patsy Rodgers one. Or were you just referring to that one? Gatoclass (talk) 13:41, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Mud pie is lacking citations. Boston Manor Tube Station has been rejected by 2 editors (I would be the 3rd). Army Printing and Stationery Service does not have a final hook. Yoninah (talk) 13:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay . Mud pie is not much of a hook anyway, so if the citations are not provided, I would just leave that one out. Boston Manor has been rejected, so you can forget about that one. ALT2 is the selected hook for the Army Printing and Stationery Service hook. I think I verified that one myself the other day, but if you'd like me to formally do it, I can probably do that now. Gatoclass (talk) 13:54, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , I have formally verified ALT2 for the Stationery Service nomination. We really need to get moving on these sets now because there's only 10 hours to go. I'll be logging off shortly so won't be able to provide any additional assistance. Gatoclass (talk) 14:21, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Charles Morgan (businessman)/GA1 once again
Gatoclass, you opened this review last June 19. That's way too long ago. I can understand that life throws up problems and it seems like you should be able to get back to this soon, but the fact remains that you haven't in over nine months. There's usually something (or several things) at DYK, and so on.

I'd like your agreement that if you haven't completed the next round of the review by a date certain, within the next week or two, I can find a replacement reviewer who will take over and finish the review. There are very good reviewers who will usually agree to do so, especially when the nomination has been waiting so long. (This review has been open over 100 days longer than the next oldest open review.)

Thank you for your consideration. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:58, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * , I am SO sorry about the ridiculously long delay in getting back to this nomination, unfortunately it's been a perfect storm of distractions or difficulties since returning to Wikipedia in mid-November, in particular the enforced house move which turned into a two-month-long nightmare as I haven't been in the rental market for many years and I totally underestimated the time it would take to find a new residence amongst other things (like the fact that my car broke down for two weeks just at the wrong time). I finally moved in to the new place on 5 March, but my net connection wasn't restored until late last week (I did do a little reviewing at DYKAFD via mobile over the last couple of weeks, but that device is completely impractical for serious mainspace editing). Even so, I would have been ready to return to the GAN by now, but unfortunately I suffered a debilitating back injury a couple of days after moving in to the new place from which I still haven't recovered, which has prevented me unpacking my library including the relevant Morgan references, as the cardboard boxes my books are packed in are far too heavy for me to move at the moment because of the injury. On top of that, I came down with an ear infection three weeks ago that still hasn't totally cleared up, which has also reduced my capacity for getting things done.


 * When I began writing this response, I was intending to ask for more time to complete the review, but on reflection, as I still can't be sure how long it's going to be before I can unpack my library, I feel I still can't give you a definite date for completion. Reluctantly then, I think it's time I relinquished this job to somebody else - especially since you've just assured me that you are confident you can find somebody else to finish it quickly (my concern that the nominator might have had to wait more months just for somebody else to start a new review has been a major reason why I clung to it so long). And quite frankly, the changes I want to make to the article might compromise my ability to act as an independent reviewer anyway, so it might be better if somebody else completes it - after all, there is no reason why I can't make these changes later when I have more time to do so. So I'm handing responsibility for this back to you. If you haven't managed to find somebody to complete the review in a few weeks, I can probably return to it, but unfortunately I am just not in a position to be able to do so at the moment. My sincere apologies to both you and the nominator once again, and thank you for your patience and courtesy in dealing with this. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 13:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Gatoclass, I'm so sorry you've been injured and ill, even aside from the house-hunting and moving you've had to go through. Thank you for letting me know; I've contacted one potential reviewer, and I hope they'll be able to take this one on soon. Thanks also for your quality control at the DYK AFD pages; I wish there had been better nominations to work with this year. If it's okay, I may ask you to weigh in on a DYK nomination; it's something that needs an old DYK hand with potential BLP hook issues. (I'm not particularly good with knowing where the line is; back when I was building prep sets on a regular basis, I promoted hooks a couple of times that were later pulled for BLP reasons.) BlueMoonset (talk) 15:05, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Sure, you can point me to it, though I can't guarantee I'll be able to assist, but I am willing to take a look at it. Gatoclass (talk) 15:19, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Gatoclass, thanks. It's one of The C of E's: Template:Did you know nominations/Peterborough recall petition, 2019. The question seems to be whether there are BLP concerns in the Jesus comparison in the context of the hook (or in the hook in general—however, she was convicted, she did serve four weeks in jail, and her appeal against the conviction was rejected, and she refused to resign, hence the recall petition). BlueMoonset (talk) 13:42, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I've just heard back from Mike Christie, who has agreed to take over the Morgan review. He's very busy at the moment, but can start in two or three weeks, which I said would be fine. With any luck, the review and any resulting fixes will be done before the end of the month. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:06, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

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 * Pirate_Flag_of_Henry_Every.svg (480), a WikiCup veteran, with 16 featured pictures, mostly restorations.
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McGeachy hook
My bad; I didn't intend to imply you were bringing up issues to be obstructionist! Of course you wouldn't have brought it up if you didn't think there was a problem. --valereee (talk) 20:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * No offence taken, I can assure you. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 20:28, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2019 July newsletter
The third round of the 2019 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round needed to score at least 68 points, which is substantially lower than last year's 227 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:


 * 🇳🇫 Cas Liber, our winner in 2016, with 500 points derived mainly from a featured article and two GAs on natural history topics
 * Adam Cuerden, with 480 points, a tally built on 16 featured pictures, the result of meticulous restoration work
 * SounderBruce, a finalist in the last two years, with 306 points from a variety of submissions, mostly related to sport or the State of Washington
 * 🇺🇸 Usernameunique, with 305 points derived from a featured article and two GAs on archaeology and related topics

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Prep promotions to queue
Hi, if you could promote Prep 4 and even Prep 5 to the queue, we would be able to fill more prep sets. Yoninah (talk) 01:02, 7 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Okay, but I'll have to do it without reviewing them for now as I don't feel up to it at the moment. Gatoclass (talk) 01:04, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Tomorrow's fine too. I just notice that the preps are being moved to the queue a few hours before they go to the main page, one at a time. I'm signing off now anyway. Yoninah (talk) 01:06, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I only load them one at a time because I can only review the sets one at a time - it normally takes about an hour to review a set - sometimes less, but sometimes a lot longer if the set has issues, as can be seen with the latest one. Other admins just speed load a bunch of them without checking them, I don't do that. But I've loaded a couple of extra sets now, I will have to find time to verify them later. Gatoclass (talk) 01:14, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Can't remember if you've banned from here or not, and if so, feel free of course to remove it, but just wanted to let you know quickly that I appreciated your positive and good faith input at the doomed ARCA. It's given me food for thought on how to conduct the required reviews under the current restrictions as there's clearly an obvious appetite for me to do so. Ironically no-one was able to provide any evidence at any point that any of my reviews were in any way problematic. But it seems that evidence isn't important when the case is about me. So I'll crack on with the alt-ERRORS and see how we go. But once agin, cheers for your input. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 10:22, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Laura Yeager
Hello, Gatoclass! Thank you, I guess, for adding to the lead a second reference supporting the DYK hook. However, I was puzzled by your edit summary "add source to support dyk hook - I should NOT have to do this, it's the nominator's job". The hook statement in the lead already was, and is, supported by a Reliable Source. Not to mention the three sources supporting it in the text. Was this some kind of misunderstanding, or is there some issue with the first reference? -- MelanieN (talk) 14:55, 29 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Well possibly I missed something, but all the sources I looked at said she is about to be appointed commander, not that she actually had been appointed. If you don't have a source saying the appointment has actually taken place, then the hook which states that it has taken place is erroneous. Gatoclass (talk) 15:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean; that is true of the original source at the hook in the lead section. There actually are two sources already in the article - sources 2 (LATimes) and 3 (CNN) - saying she has actually taken command. Both are cited in the lead section, but you are right that neither of them was cited for the hook sentence in the lead section. The CNN source is cited for the “first woman” hook sentence in the text. Technically material in the lead does not need a citation, but when it is the hook for a DYK it should be cited. So, thank you; this improves the article. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:23, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

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The Hard Worker Barnstar
Thank you ! Very much appreciated :) Gatoclass (talk) 11:38, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
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RE: DYK Nomination: DYK Nomination for Henry Lewis (musician)
Ciao Gatoclass - Just a quick note to thank you for your editorial initiatives on the "Did You Know" column and in the development of articles about noted Australian musicians and composers: Roy Agnew and Raymond Hanson (composer) - Fascinating reading. Bravo!! Perhaps when you have extra time you might take a moment to review the "Did You Know" nomination for Henry Lewis (musician) -- as shown here: Template talk:Did you know on August 25, 2019, which was recently expanded. Lewis was a noted classically trained instrumentalist and symphonic/operatic conductor who achieved widespread international acclaim as the first African-American to surmount racial barriers to lead a major orchestral ensemble in the United States during the turbulent 1960's In addition, he is credited with serving as one of several musical directors of the U. S. Army's only symphonic ensemble - the Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra whose sole mission was to wage peace (not war) in support of America's cultural diplomacy initiatives amidst the ruins of Europe following the conclusion of World War II. A novel idea to say the least, which ultimately attracted the attention of President Eisenhower, who awarded the founder of the Orchestra Samuel Adler (composer) with a special citation. I'm, certain that your editorial expertise and or comments would be welcome during the review process and look forward to reading additional articles related to music from you in the future. Many thanks in advance for your thoughtful and kind assistance. With best regards 2620:65:8000:A203:9D42:9E75:6930:2B88 (talk) 15:53, 1 September 2019 (UTC)GCU

WikiCup 2019 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished in a flurry of last minute activity, with 454 points being required to qualify for the final round. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with over 400 points being eliminated, and all but two of the finalists having achieved an FA during the round. Casliber, our 2016 winner, was the highest point-scorer, followed by Enwebb and Lee Vilenski, who are both new to the competition. In fourth place was SounderBruce, a finalist last year. But all those points are swept away as we start afresh for the final round.

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Pianist-composer
Re: Schumann's piano concerto. I think it makes a difference when a composer of a piano concerto is also a pianist. Brahms wrote a violin concerto, but had to ask his friend about technical matters, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * , anybody with the slightest interest in classical music knows Chopin was primarily a piano composer. Adding that to the article just insults the intelligence of the reader. Apart from which, stating that he was a "pianist" is meaningless anyway, because the vast majority of classical composers are or were pianists. Gatoclass (talk) 09:06, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * You convince me, but did you have to say "insults the intelligence" when it was only due to my inability to say in English what I meant to say? No insult intended, actually ever. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and yes, perhaps I could have chosen a better phrase, but nothing else came to mind as an alternative and I wanted to be sure I got the point across. It's just a stock English-language cliche anyway, no offense intended. Gatoclass (talk) 10:19, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for taking the time to explain the cliche, - I wasn't aware. I remember when I almost went to my first dress rehearsal in concert dress ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * No problem :) Gatoclass (talk) 10:30, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you :) Gatoclass (talk) 08:57, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

dyk
That's a good idea to put a note on the set when it's not yet fully verified! I'm wondering if that's something I could do...my only worry is that I do something that screws something up when I try to undo it. --valereee (talk) 14:13, 31 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, of course you can do it ! Just be sure to deactivate the bot while the message is extant so that it doesn't get posted to the main page along with the set. Gatoclass (talk) 13:29, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2019 November newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year! Our Champion this year is, who over the course of the competition has amassed 91 featured pictures, including 32 in the final round. Our finalists this year were:


 * 1) with 964 points
 * 2) with 899 points
 * 3) with 817 points
 * 4) with 691 points
 * 5) with 388 points
 * 6) with 146 points
 * 7) with 145 points
 * 8) with 74 points

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 * wins the featured article prize, for a total of 7 FAs during the course of the competition.
 * wins the good article prize, for 14 GAs in round 5.
 * wins the featured list prize, for 4 FLs overall.
 * wins the featured picture prize, for 91 FPs overall.
 * wins the topic prize, for 7 articles in good topics in round 2.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 14 did you know articles in round 5.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 7 in the news articles in round 1.
 * wins the reviewer prize, for 56 good article reviews in round 1.

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Márta Kurtág
Thank you for thinking about Márta Kurtág (failed ITN, but now DYK)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think that one worked out quite well ! Dare I say that I think the article will get more than the usual number of hits for a classical music hook - should do anyhow :) Gatoclass (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I still think that Recent deaths would have been even better for her. See if Márta Kurtág had been an American man, she would have appeared, but she is an Hungarian woman. Thinking about how to change the bias for the next one. - Did you see the video? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:01, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Queue 1
Hi, I think you cut off the quirky part from this hook. I suggest writing it this way:
 * ... that Mill Creek, Washington, was not named after a mill or a creek? Yoninah (talk) 18:09, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Queue 4 image
Hi, thanks for changing the image; it's much nicer. Please change (pictured) to (illustrated). Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 15:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but what's wrong with "pictured"? Gatoclass (talk) 15:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * We usually say that for a photograph. A sketch or drawing is "illustrated". Yoninah (talk) 15:52, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't know when this started creeping in but I think it's misguided. A picture is a picture, it doesn't matter whether it's a photo, a sketch, drawing, painting, whatever. An illustration is an image that generally appears in another medium, such as a book or magazine, to illustrate the text. So it's the medium in question ie the book or magazine, that is illustrated. Using it to refer to DYK set images this way just looks awkward and confusing. Gatoclass (talk) 16:10, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * OK. So I'll revert this too. Yoninah (talk) 17:12, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * "Portrait pictured" is fine I think, because it's an exact description of the image, which is acceptable. "Illustrated" on the other hand would just have been inaccurate and misleading in the given context IMO. Gatoclass (talk) 17:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Walk-in-the-Water (steamboat)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Fort Washington Park (Manhattan)
Gatoclass, you pulled this hook back in October. Can you please check back to see whether the issues you raised have been addressed by the nominator? If you'd prefer, I can always ask for a new reviewer to check out the latest hook proposal, but I thought it was important to make sure you were satisfied with the nominator's explanation, so we don't run the risk of a second pull. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Queue 5
Hi, the alt you substituted for the quirky slot is not quirky at all. I suggest moving the WYFI hook to the quirky. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 16:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * , I don't find the WYFI hook to be quirky at all. But I haven't heard of any birds who can make a growling sound when threatened, so that seems quite quirky to me. Gatoclass (talk) 17:38, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I see. But the species name doesn't indicate it's a bird. Oh well, people will probably like the Satanic part. Yoninah (talk) 18:00, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Stretched thumbnail
Hello,

For future reference, such a problem almost certainly stems from a caching issue (typically affecting some users and not others). If repeated purging doesn't help, modifying the image size by one pixel (e.g., from 120px to 119px or 121px) should, given the unlikelihood that a thumbnail with the new dimensions was generated and cached recently.

In this instance, I agree that the wider composition is more suitable regardless, so switching to it was the best option. —David Levy 03:03, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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Der Ring in Minden
... finally appeared today, - thank you for participating in finding the best hook, "... to listen to the music at the end" which would be a good motto ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, that one worked out quite well in the end . And you certainly got good mileage out of that topic! Well done, Gatoclass (talk) 13:49, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Do you think you could help with the review of Bach Digital? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for A Rubber Band Christmas
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Parsons Boulevard station
Please see note on your DYK review. Yoninah (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

The DYK Barnstar

 * Thank you, that is very kind of you :) Gatoclass (talk) 16:48, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Queue 4 lead hook
Hi, I understand your switching the image, but please change the beginning of the hook to: * ... that the Mekong Bobtail (example pictured) was among ... Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 16:39, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that would be appropriate . The hook reads well enough to me as it is, and it seems to me your proposed change might imply that only one such cat was gifted. Gatoclass (talk) 16:45, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:06, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Usually I think I would agree with you, but since the hook references a specific number of cats, I'm concerned it might add an unintended element of ambiguity. If the hook said "breeds" it would work, but then, that could open a different can of worms. Gatoclass (talk) 17:16, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that makes sense. I trust your judgment. Yoninah (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2019 (UTC)