User talk:Gatoclass/Archive 3 (Jan-Mar 2008)

Keith Bostic
Is there a reason why you do not choose one of the Keith Bostic (football player) hooks. I have never seen a fifth day time request be ignored before and have made several.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You still did not explain why you are ignoring a reasonable fifth day time request. I think now you are spiting me or something.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 16:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I've posted a reply on your talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 16:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for including the hook. I think you may be missing the point that date requests are very common for the main page. Both WP:TFA and WP:POTD use them all the time to improve the quality of the main page by making it more relevant.  For example, my only WP:FP is likely going to be on the main page for Opening Day.  In this case, I consciously expanded an article five days before I wanted it to goo on the main page because of an event that would be occurring on that date.  I think these types of requests should be encouraged.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 16:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think DYK should have a formal agreed protocol for date requests?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 16:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

you're welcome
DYK needs everyone's help.

About your eyestrain, ever see an ophthalmologist? (not an optometrist). An ophthalmologist is an eye doctor that went to medical school; optometrist don't go to medical school. I had my eyes checked last week. Archtransit (talk) 18:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Hi, per this edit you had promo'd a nomination that I was watching but now I don't see it, anywhere. The others seemed to make it to DYK ok though. Benjiboi 00:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol. Found it!, It wasn't in the archives as it's in the pending pile, thank you! Benjiboi 00:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair notice
I'm obligated to inform you of my request to User:Ioeth, as you've demonstrated you believe you are owed a degree of respect which you don't believe you owe to editors of Eastern European heritage--demanding apologies while offering none of your own, especially as it appears that every exchange only confirms to you your low opinion of the editorial community your consider your opposition. —PētersV (talk) 17:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I've responded to yours on Ioeth's talk. If you took a moment to consider that perhaps my actions aren't motivated by a bad faith attempt to pillory you, we might make some progress. I've already told you what you need to do to extract yourself out of the death spiral. You walked into a situation you were not familiar with, things got off on a bad foot, and you made some particularly bad choices in assuming bad faith, as in wondering if Turgidson set you up. When someone tells me that my quest to dispel the legacy of half a century of Soviet lies and oppression proves your assertion of the possibility of axe-grinding, that is not the road to consensus. My motivation? I recently read that some Soviet "historian" just published a book based on Estonian archives "proving" the deportation of Baltic peoples in cattle cars is all a big lie. My perspective? Try this for some reading on my web site: http://latvians.com/en/Reading/TheseNamesAccuse/ThNA-00-OurFamilies.php To have someone even suggest remotely that my motivations are based on anything less than 100% integrity is a personal affront I have learned to not indulge on Wikipedia, as to let such thing go in the past has only been an invitation for more abuse. It's unfortunate that your actions have appeared to be in keeping with those of editors who have assaulted the community of Eastern European editors in the past. (Tagging articles as biased-especially right after creation--while not providing specifics related directly to content, e.g., "feeling" something is not they way they like it, is one of the most favored tactics.) I'm hoping an uninvolved editor (someone with whom I have ZERO relationship) can assist you to see that, as it's become quite apparent (my perception) that you've marked me as just another hostile party from the start. —PētersV (talk) 03:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

On bygones being bygones, that requires an apology for any behavior which might have been the source of misunderstanding. On the one hand you appear to be conciliatory, on the other, you refuse to back off of anything you have said at any time--which signals not conciliatory. It's not your initial position that's the problem, where I am personally concerned, at least, it's your "Aha! There's your proof blown up right in your face" response. And your musings whether Turgidson intended to set you up from the start. —PētersV (talk) 17:32, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You appear upset (comment elsewhere) that I'm harping on requiring an apology. Your petard hoisting retort was an attack on my integrity. There have been so many vituperative attacks on Wikpedia on editors' integrity (including people outright being called Nazis) that one cannot simply walk away from aspersions cast on their integrity. You claim you've only wanted to achieve conciliation, this while nominating an article for AfD, opening up an AN/I and accusing multiple editors of breaches of incivility.


 * If you genuinely wish for bygones to be bygones, that will only be accomplished by your apologizing that you did not realize your actions (tagging, AfD, AN/I, accusations of incivility) mirrored attack tactics editors have regularly used in the past in attempts to discredit Eastern European positions and articles, and you regret all the misunderstanding that subsequently ensued, including appearing to confirm, as in your exchange with me, the cause of Eastern Europe shedding half a century of Soviet oppression and misinformation as axe-grinding.


 * I for one, and can only speak for myself, there is no bloc, am perfectly happy to acknowledge that I perceived your response to my defense of Eastern European editors as proof of bad faith on your part and your unwillingness to apologize as proof of your intransigence, and that it's not surprising the situation degenerated as it did.


 * I would venture there are two editors (assuming you haven't accused more) who would also expect you to retract your accusations of incivility.


 * Normally I wouldn't spend any more time on this, but being that you're not a regular editor in this pace, I suspect you have no idea that your behavior throughout this affair has mirrored classic attack tactics which the Eastern European editing community has been subjected to for a very long time. —PētersV (talk) 19:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI
Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement. --Termer (talk) 06:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Notice of editing restrictions
Notice: Under the terms of Requests for arbitration/Digwuren, any editor working on topics related to Eastern Europe, broadly defined, may be made subject to an editing restriction at the discretion of any uninvolved administrator. Should the editor make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he or she may be blocked for up to a week for each violation, and up to a month for each violation after the fifth. This restriction is effective on any editor following notice placed on his or her talk page. This notice is now given to you, and future violations of the provisions of this warning are subject to blocking.

Note: This notice is not effective unless given by an administrator and logged here.

Per this report. Thatcher 06:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * FYI: The notice is dismissed since it's not coming from an uninvolved administrator --Termer (talk) 08:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have reviewed the situation and determined that Termer is incorrect in posting the message above. Thatcher is an uninvolved administrator as he has only taken part in Eastern European topics for the purposes of Arbitration Enforcement. His issuing of these notices is therefore valid and you are therefore bound by it, despite the above note from Termer.  Thank you.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 16:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Jaakobou ArbCom
I debated putting this on the evidence page here, but then decided against it. I don't know what problems there are at EE, but I don't believe I-P is as bad (perhaps partly for the reasons I give below!).

To Gatoclass -> I don't think we should be despondent. The biggest problem in I-P conflict articles is individual editors, badly informed and badly behaved. There is a third problem, which is bad sources. A big portion of this third problem could easily be dealt with by a modest extension of WP:EXTREME. We virtually bar all Palestinian sources at the moment, apparently on the basis they're all hate-sites. Apply that same standard to Western sources, and Wikipedia articles on I-P would instantly become around 4 times better. We'd hardly need to block anyone (other than editors we know have really serious problems). PRtalk 12:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please! Don't mention the letters "EE". I'm still trying to forget. LMAO. Gatoclass (talk) 12:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My apologies. Come and do something useful instead! PRtalk 12:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Question about DYK
I notice that you are doing many reviews of proposed DYKs. I came across an article tonight from which I think an interesting DYK can be parsed; however, the inline cites come from a book rather than a website. Is this a barrier to DYK nomination? Thanks. Risker (talk) 06:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Template:Bayfield class attack transport
Template:Bayfield class attack transport - why some of them are commented (that part Cancelled in September 1945) They shuld or not to be in that template ?PMG (talk) 19:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

next DYK group
I agree that there isn't much to do about too many U.S. articles. I did notice that some updaters have been promoting groups with zero U.S. articles which is the cause of the current problem. Since we are over a day ahead of schedule, I think we should short the next group. I think that it should run without the article that you added and save it for the next group. I was taking my time to promote this group. I did notice it was already late. I'm getting sleepy since it's almost midnight here, so I think I'll let this group wait some more for someone else to promote. I would be willing to promote it if you want to do the crediting. I love that article about the Norwegian Anne Frank! Royal broil 05:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll promote the group (without your latest addition which you should add after you clear the group). You need to credit the articles and authors/nominators, and I'll do the rest. Thanks! Royal broil  05:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Two articles for DYK
Could you recheck Don Dubbins for the in-line citations for the DYK section?

Thanks, Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Also please check Stagecoach West for in-line cites for DYK, Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank-spam
, I wish to tender my sincere thanks for your support in my successful request for adminship, which ended with 37 supports, 2 opposes, and 2 neutral. The results of the RfA are extremely bittersweet because of the recent departure of my nominator, Rudget. Hopefully I can live up to his and your expectations. I would especially like to thank Epbr123 and TomStar81 for mentioning that they were preparing to offer me a nomination. The past week has been one of the most stressful weeks in my life, and I appreciate your vote of confidence in me. If you ever need anything, just get in touch. -MBK004 21:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

use of newer DANFS template
Hi Gatoclass -- I was just browsing new articles and notice your USS Noble (APA-218) article, based on DANFS material. I've had limited involvement with DANFS and wikiproject Ships, but i understand there is a new version of DANFS template that allows you to include a link to the specific DANFS article you are sourcing from, in a new article. See Template_talk:DANFS. It seems it would be easy and helpful to others later, if you could use that, up front. sincerely, doncram (talk) 18:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * doh, i didn't notice you have links to those sources right there next to ur use of the DANFS template. never mind. doncram (talk) 18:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Lucien Lagrange Architects
Is Lucien Lagrange Architects ever going to the main page?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK triple ... maybe you drove in a few runs
Nice work. Perhaps we should amend this template so it can handle multiple articles like this--Daniel Case (talk) 02:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

OK. Did that work? -- Daniel Case (talk) 14:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Not quite, the last two didn't come out. I guess the notification template has a limit of four at a time then. Don't worry, I'll do the last two myself :)

DYK hook thanks
Thanks for your sharp eye - I changed the hook to "...that when the first portion of the Lackawanna and Bloomsburg Railroad opened in 1856, it led to the incorporation of Kingston, Pennsylvania, and to the establishment of Kingston's first public transit line?" and replied on the DYK nom page. Sorry for the confusion on my part and thanks again, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Four DYKs
Four DYKs? Wow, very impressive. -- Wizardman 14:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

hi
re Georgia Tech's College of Computing hook. I was surprised that you approved the articles without comment. Do you think the hook can be correct? or is it that it is said somewhere and that is enough? Seems to me that to say a department is chopped into two original halfs for the first time in the world is an extravagant claim Victuallers (talk) 20:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC) You might be right ... but then the World series game was invented inn the UK :-) I will take your advice and ... brilliant work on checking DYKs!! Victuallers (talk) 20:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK Pont Notre-Dame
Hi Gato,

I replied on the DYK page to your concerns raised. Here's the reference to the claim: here. See page 143, second paragraph from top of page. I also proposed an ALT. Let me know what you think. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, see I was concerned because most think of Pont Neuf as the oldest, when in fact, Pont Neuf is the oldest INTACT bridge.....so.....I thought I would create an uncontroversial nom. However, now that you point it out, I think just saying that the Pont Notre-Dame is the oldest bridge in Paris is best. See the Alt. Anyway, I do think it's a pretty interesting point. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I also clarified the actual article, per your recommendation. It is now quoted directly from source, so there should be no verifiability problems. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I just went ahead and added an ALT which is basically your well put statement. I was having difficulty clarifying exactly what I was trying to say, so I appreciate your suggestion. Lazulilasher (talk) 17:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Drat!
It wasn't always clear what to credit the people listed for, so I took a guess. You often lose a lot of info by the time it's time to do credits. Adam Cuerden talk 06:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Donna Eden quotes
I have a question. I changed "energy medicine" on Donna Eden's page to Energy medicine (i.e., with wiki link) and you reverted that to "energy medicine". What's your rationale? As used on that page, my interpretation of the quoted version (i.e., "energy medicine") is to make it sound more questionable, as in, 'Bob liked to call himself an "athlete" even though all he did was lift beers'. I figure you have a good reason, because obviously you think carefully about your contributions. Thanks for that, by the way.--Mbilitatu (talk) 04:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thanks. --Mbilitatu (talk) 05:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Question on DYK feedback
You did the review for Environment of Florida, and noted that a photograph would be a good addition to the nomination for the "featured" DYK. My concern is that, although most of the photos in the article are quite nice (I took a good deal of time to select them), none of them relate to the hook (none of them are fish). Should I come up with a different hook (with the photos in mind), or should I find a fish picture to add?

I found one photo of an exotic, taken in Florida at Image:Channa marulius.jpg, but it's not a particularly attractive photo. Most of the exotics (of the ones that have pictures) are pictures from public aquaria in Europe, or home aquaria. I'm not too keen about including them, but I'll go along with any recommendation you have.  Horologium  (talk) 23:26, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Modlin Army DYK
I have added online cite to WIEM Encyklopedia to the end of the lead; it verifies the hook (that the army was pushed southeast).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 04:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 04:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Typo redirect USS Sheridan (APA-91)
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DYK update
Thanks so much for preparing the update. It is posted - will take me a little while to send out the acknowledgments (busy IRL) but I can do this over the next hour or so. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the confusion on the hook I submitted for tais. I've proposed two alternatives. Thanks for all your work on DYK. – Scartol  •  Tok  15:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Copy and paste move
Please don't perform copy-and-paste moves. See Help:Moving a page for the proper way to move a page. TomTheHand (talk) 14:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The DYK25 Medal
Hello, Gatoclass. You'll be eligible for the DYK50 medal very soon. I figure someone had to give you this long-overdue DYK25 medal before that happens. :-) BTW, please feel free to update your numbers at the DYK Hall of Fame. Someone will probably give you your DYK50 medal later this week. :-)  Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 16:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, Gatoclass. A job well done deserves a medal.
 * Sorry about the counting error. I gotta "blame" you for having so many compound hooks -- they're very difficult to count! --PFHLai (talk) 07:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Hi, sorry I had to walk away from my PC. :-) --BorgQueen (talk) 13:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Shiv Chowrasia DYK suggestion
Hi, I was not sure, but my DYK suggestion on this article has not been reviewed as yet. I was wondering if you could review it before it gets expired? Thanks, Mspraveen (talk) 06:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think, there is a misunderstanding. You may check Talk:Shiv_Chowrasia. I was only thinking if I could suggest an alternative DYK something like
 * ...that Shiv Chowrasia, an Indian professional golfer and a former caddie, won the 2008 Indian Masters?


 * Gatoclass, I say this on good faith. Please do visit Talk:Shiv_Chowrasia and see the only section about "Dubious sentence". I won't mind missing out on this nomination, but, I want to ensure that it is a correct and a genuine one. Thanks for your efforts, Mspraveen (talk) 13:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thats perfect! Thanks much! Cheers! Mspraveen (talk) 13:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for misunderstanding - thanks for helping! .... been busy Victuallers (talk) 15:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Syro-Palestinian archaeology DYK hook
The hook is upported by reliable sources. Specifically this one. But if you're still unconvinced, I've provided another suggestion at the WP:TDYK. I notice that my listing is now in the section for expired noms. I hope that's not the case, since you only raised your objection yesterday and I only saw it today. Please do what you can to make sure that it is accepted. I've worked very hard to meet the concerns of other editors. The article has a picture and over 40,000 bytes of sourced material. It would be a shame if a technicality raised at the last hour resulted in its not being featured. Thanks.  T i a m u t talk 09:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Gatoclass. I appreciate your quick response.  T i a m u t talk 09:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The nom is not expired anyway, since from February 12th to now, it's undergone a five-fold expansion.  T i a m u t talk 09:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Bribery and corruption...
Gato, do you fancy having a look here (lat bit about Tribute money). Do you fancy adding the short nom I wrote to the next update? Its a day out of date but lets "break the rules". I'll add it to the article, if you are willing Victuallers (talk) 12:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC) Oh well our life of criminality will have to wait.... thanks for checking! Victuallers (talk) 12:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK Feb 11
I asked Dan1980 and he suggested you. Anyway, my DYK, New York State Route 368, was largely ignored and is now on the expired list without being checked. Any chance you can get it to the next DYK or verified? Only one opposal for it also.Mitch32contribs 13:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think one exists that specifically mentions that - my only ref for mileage is Yahoo maps, which doesn't really prove much. If I can use a less reliable source, then I can see what I can do.Mitch32contribs 13:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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Indonesian occupation of East Timor (1975-1999)
Thank you kindly. I'm actually hoping to set the Wikipedia world record for shortest time between DYK and FA. =) It will be featured, trust me. For now, though, a DYK will be fine. Thanks again! – Scartol  •  Tok  18:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Shared resources/library
Hi! A few weeks ago you made a suggestion at WP:VPP about having some way to share information from books/ request info from other users. As someone mentioned, there's WP:LIBRARY, but that does not seem an easy way to manage large numbers of books. I've recently had an idea about categorising user subpage library lists, and have presented it at Village pump (proposals). I'm interested in your thoughts on the idea, since it was your question which inspired it. Thanks! Gwinva (talk) 07:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:USS President Hayes APA-20.jpg and other ship images
Had you considered uploading to Wikimedia Commons so other projects can make use of them? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Another DYK or two
Great work! BencherliteTalk 00:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK Credits
Sorry, for poking in. I had not noticed your hold note. I thought I could help get it advanced. - P.K.Niyogi (talk) 04:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Military History of Australia during the Korean War
Cheers for the tick. Do you think I should change the bit about Eisenhower?? Robert Fleming (talk) 09:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Concerning Duplicated images - Now on commons...

 * This is simple to solve. tag any that are duplicated on Wikipedia (i.e NOT trancluded) with <name of file on commons, and an admin will eventually pick up the image for deletion via CSD I8. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion discussion for Category:Prima donnas
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Admiral job sir! your Honorary rank is attached
Victuallers (talk) 18:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Inteco
Sorry about the miscommunication yesterday. I was kind of expecting a response on T:TDYK, too.... Never mind. --PFHLai (talk) 17:57, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeap. I think Victuallers fixed up the hook. --PFHLai (talk) 18:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up
I did the update and notified everyone, thanks for the heads up, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Toolson
As long as you promoted one of them (though not the one I would have picked), I'm OK. But I still can't see how you missed cites that were at the end of the sentences with the hook facts. Cites that had been in the article since I first added the information they supported. Cites that are of reliable sources: Bowie Kuhn's own memoirs, the decision text and other Supreme Court opinions.

And how are those difficult to confirm, as your message on my page seemed to imply? I provided a link to Kuhn's memoir page at Google Books ... was that not coming up? Supreme Court decisions are often available several different places online since they're PD and are usually marked as to the page in the Supreme Court Reports.

Could you at least explain how you came to the conclusion that I had left no inline cites?

Sorry for my outburst, but it was not the way I wanted to start the day. Not with someone wagging a finger at me saying I didn't do something I had done several days ago. Daniel Case (talk) 19:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The page number is in both cites ... cite book wedges it in between the publisher and the ISBN. Clicking the link in both cases would have taken you right to the page. I assumed that anyone checking the sources would have clicked that link ... I do when I check sources. The third one is to the Supreme Court decision ... the "XXX U.S. XXX" is the commmon case citation format for the Supreme Court Reports. Since they're PD, they're usually reprinted all over the Internet, and in SCOTUS case articles we usually don't link to any version, not the Findlaw or Justia version (in some cases they're even at wikisource), at least not from each individual footnote. Daniel Case (talk) 07:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately lately with Google books I find myself unable to get more than one page at a time, at least when it's a search result. As for the Supreme Court thing, yes I know it's not obvious to everyone but it's the convention used in WP:SCOTUS. If you'd posted specific issues you were having I would have explained them then (and in my followup, the one you moved, I did have a link to the decision text). Daniel Case (talk) 08:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK Expired Noms, 29 February
Hi. I saw your comment on Garin lo Brun dated 5 March and responded by expanding it the same day. Also on 5 March I added (a little late in the day, but I thought in time) a new nomination of an article I created on 29 February, William Wentworth, 2nd Earl of Strafford (1722-1791)‎, but I see all of 29 February has now been marked as Expired. I'm just wondering whether such last-minute qualifiers get considered? Regards, Xn4  01:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Both now used. Xn4  02:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

re:DYK Page
Apologies if I organized it upsidedown, but I was a little confused as to why my entries were smack dab in the middle when they were the first ones of the day. That makes no sense whether you add from the top or the bottom. :) MrPrada (talk) 20:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK edits
Thank you for your supportive comment. Hopefully we have now moved on from what was a rather unpleasant situation. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

will do
But i may not have time to the thanks etc Victuallers (talk) 16:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC) Looks a bit short - could you add one more whilst i check everything? Victuallers (talk) 16:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC) Back... and pleased to see it turned out well! Victuallers (talk) 17:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks for approving my DYK, and for the notice! -Pete (talk) 19:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Begin/terrorist
I once argued, to no effect, that at least the Stern (Lehi)gang fitted the Wiki rules because it described itself as engaged in terrorist actions, but couldn't get past Amoruso. I haven't checked those rules, but I still wonder why, peculiar to Wiki, one cannot write the word 'terrorism' when that was the strategy, as it has been with many Palestinian groups (where efforts to make it stick have been vigorous and in some cases successful). In Begin and Shamir's case, a good many Israeli and Jewish experts of quality, (not leftwing antui-Zionist partisans) on the history of the period readily describe the Irgun as a 'terrorist organization'. It is not really objected to in mainstream scholarship. Cf."'Mr Begin, was, of course, head of a terrorist organization; so was Sean MacBride, who subsequently received both the Lenin and the Nobel Peace prizes, and a great many other people now highly respected.’ Walter Laqueur The Political Psychology of Appeasement:Finlandization and Other Unpopular Essays, Transaction Books, New Brunswick and London, 1980 p.264"

Still, what academic literature accepts, is, I suppose not quite what Wiki accepts in these instances. I never push the point myself, except to remonstrate by counter-example when the other side, doing what Stern and Irgun did, is somehow branded as ontologically terroristic. RegardsNishidani (talk) 21:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships
Thank you for informing me of this particular system. How is one to know what parts of the article is from the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships? Although an article is based on this dictionary I assume it is still fully possible to edit the article and thus making it less a word-for-word cut-and-paste from the original source? Manxruler (talk) 23:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

You know...
DYK would be less backlogged if you were an admin. Hint, hint! ~ Riana ⁂ 14:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just had a look at that one. I think it was going quite well, really, and you might have passed in the end. But I know it can be awfully traumatic and it's entirely up to you whether you run again. Perhaps a brush-up on blocking policy and a look at some successful RfAs might give you an idea of what people are looking for? Either way, if you need someone to nominate you, I'm around. I think you'd pass now, to be honest. Your call! :) ~ Riana ⁂ 14:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Padfie;d, Derbyshire
Hi Gatoclass .... I see that this nom was eventually chosen by you. THANKS! (I thought it was lost). So Brill. Oh and admin? I'd be happy to help you. What is intriguing me is that the thanks never went out. If it was an oversight then forget this note as I make mistakes too. If it was someone else then do tell and I'll gently enquire. I'm not starting a witchunt ... just want to make sure we get things right (most of the time :-) ). Victuallers (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC) Thanks for investigating GC ... as I said I was curious and it appears to be human error ... which we all suffer from. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 11:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Question
Hi Gatoclass, I noticed you revert vandalism occasionally. Would you like me to grant your account rollback rights to help make vandal-reverting easier for you? Acalamari 18:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Rollback granted. :) Yes, due to a feature implemented about two months ago, administrators can now grant admin-rollback to non-admins. Just remember it's for reverting vandalism/spam, and not for use in revert-wars or for reverting good-faith edits. You may also wish to see New admin school/Rollback for additional information and practice. Good luck. Acalamari 18:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and good night. :) Acalamari 18:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Second Intifada
I fully agree with your comments at the RfC there. My question is, what do we do when entrenched partisans canvassed to join a debate refuse to acknowledge what the vast majority of sources say? You have witnessed and participated in the discussion over the last three months. If we cannot achieve consensus, what options do we have to ensure that the text reflects the sources? I don't want to end up with an edit-war. It is however, unacceptable for "wave of violence" to replace "uprising" in the lead. Letting it stand as such for three months was frankly far too generous. What are your recommendations for how to break this impasse? Thanks.  T i a m u t talk 13:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

re Mockery
I think your proposal to go to, is it, AE? as mentioned on the Noticeboard, more than proper. I have always had a deep reluctance to make official complaints, especially with User:Jaakobou, despite many deep differences of opinion over edits, but by the looks of it, Jaakabou is simply unaware of the gravity of that offence. I'm old fashioned. Blokes can take things on the chin, but men must not bully women with impunity, and indeed, refuse to withdraw their aggression until the aggrieved party complains. The innuendo in that is monstrous, and has, for me, tipped the scales. Some nuances may escape the outside observer, but if you do register a complaint, I will add a note detailing why that image is deeply offensive in context. Regards as usual Nishidani (talk) 19:34, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, that's over expeditiously, though I am troubled by his tutor's inability to understand the thuggish allusion in Jaakobou's insider allusion. Don't want to drag this on, or drag you in to anything. Just posted on my own talk page a reflection. Regards Nishidani (talk) 21:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Jaakobou
A few comments regarding today's events. It isn't easy to mentor someone post-arbitration who has gotten deeply embroiled in an ethnic dispute. If it looks like I waltz up, blindly praise him, and depart--well that's not exactly the case. Jaakobou and I have spent a substantial portion of the last twelve hours in extended chats. I've set aside other work to focus on this. It's not a situation I take lightly, or one that anybody wants to see repeated.

Jaakobou did something thoughtless; not maliciously, but it was a you just don't go there gaffe and he was slow to realize its seriousness. Perhaps because Jaakobou wasn't comprehending, or because the context was ambiguous, another editor interpreted the picture and caption in an entirely different light than the one intended. So when it came to my attention (facepalm) the thing had been simmering for days and was in the process of boiling over. Jaakobou and I had been so pleased to see his featured nominations pass. Now this...

So I advised him to take out the dig at another editor and apologize immediately. He did to the best of his ability at that time (he gets it better now that we've discussed this at greater length). And as soon as he took his first steps in the right direction he got hit with a block warning and two noticeboard threads. If the warning and threads had come before he started trying to make amends, then I wouldn't have objected at all. With that timing, though? Really drags a guy down and slows down the process of setting things right.

That's most of the major points in a nutshell. If there's something I can answer for you, please ask. Best regards, Durova Charge! 12:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

And another...three!
Sorry about inserting a grammatical error in your hook -- my only excuse is that it's 4am here! Should hopefully be fixed now. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 04:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm a very infrequent updater, all the stress over it's the mainpage! millions of people all over the world will see your mistakes! tends to inhibit my brain. Surprised, by the way, that you're not an admin. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I missed that while I was on wikibreak. I can entirely understand you wanting to wait a while after such a trivial thing got blown up like that, but three months and how ever many thousand edits is a long time around here. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:30, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

...when's your RfA coming? Seriously... dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 04:24, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

oops sorry
If you are done then I'll reload itVictuallers (talk) 17:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC) Although I'd leave the last one as too long. Have we got all the irish ones as I think this is the last chanceVictuallers (talk) 17:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC) I have reread the DYK template and it looks as if the green is offending the accessibility gurus. Seems as it I may have to take that away - pity Victuallers (talk) 17:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Ships
Hello. Thanks for kind words. No problem, AutoWikiBrowser applied these auto changes, so it was not my intention. Nice work on those USS ships articles by the way. It looks we will have covered all of them in the future, because we already have hundreds of them here on WP. - Darwinek (talk) 17:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

f'anks
Victuallers (talk) 11:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC) HI GC ...hope you are OK with the load..... the detective agency nom only got half loaded. I'll fix it. .... Do you fancy giving a hand with the "nods/thx" .... you could start from the bottom? Victuallers (talk) 15:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC) Is it your brain, fingers or connection thats fast. Thx again and good night

Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-03-18 Second Intifada
Just notifying you, that as you have been involved in the discussion regarding the Second Intifada article, which is now the subject of a MedCab case, I'm notifying you of this as you may wish to partake in this case to discuss a resolution to this dispute. Feel free to leave a comment on my talk page. Regards, Steve Crossin (talk) 23:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK notifications
Be my guest - I've done the articles and the first two users. Thanks! BencherliteTalk 08:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * When are we going to get Gatobot (or BorgQueenbot) to make this part of the job easier?! BencherliteTalk 08:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's got my strong support. It's been talked about before, and I don't know why it has never happened. Royal broil  12:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Any idea why my listing for Still Restless was removed from the DYK list for March 15 without comment? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 12:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind. This means it's in the queue, right? Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 12:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Stoccareddo at DYK
I'm concerned about the reliability of 20/20 as the principal source for this article. The Independent article probably originated in their travel magazine and isn't a reliable medical source, and I've done a few medline searches without finding anything on Stoccareddo (see the talk page for more details). I'm tempted to pull the article from DYK pending further examination of the sources, what do you think? Espresso Addict (talk) 15:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Independent newspaper is reliable, but I don't think the Indy magazine supplements are necessarily so. Speaking with my medical hat on, it seems to me the kind of article that gives Wikipedia a bad name, but I might just be being oversensitive. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I reworked the hook; the original read a bit too much like something from X Files for my taste. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've updated -- let's see if we get any Outraged of Tonbridge Wells comments. I can quite understand running out of steam on doing the next update page, it's surprisingly time consuming, especially if one ends up copy editing some of the articles. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 16:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the acknowlegement
and for all your very reasoned comments over the last week. I hope you are doing well.  T i a m u t talk 19:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Next update whitespace
It was probably being copied from the Template:Did you know/Next update/Clear page. I've edited it now so hopefully whatever problem it was causing won't recur. Gatoclass (talk) 19:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much! :-)  —David Levy 19:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * On a related topic, would you add Morgan State University Lacrosse nominated from the March 15 group. I don't see why it hasn't been used. I don't want to give you and edit conflict. Royal broil  13:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact is reliably sourced in the 4th reference. The length of its non-table part looks good. 1498 characters is close enough if that's the actual count but my eyes say its probably higher. It's well written and date is verified. Royal broil  13:55, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

DreamGuy
Actually, the Openshaw image has not been deleted (except by DG), and it was previously deleted at my own request rather than get into a revert war with DG. See the article's talk page. Thanks. Jack1956 (talk) 07:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Eggs
OK - but are you finishing this one, or am I? BencherliteTalk 08:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

hi
GC do you know that you pulled an "eggy" nom from the list for this load? Victuallers (talk) 15:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you want me to load it? Victuallers (talk) 15:44, 23 March 2008 (UTC) oic ok Victuallers (talk) 15:47, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

No! I wouldnt load the extra aggy hook on a set you had mostly put together, it was a suggestion only. I'm happy to go with adding it to the next load as you suggest. I meant load the new set of dyks... but I see its done Victuallers (talk) 15:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

It happened to me too in last few days and its annoying. Suggest we/you raise this on wikipedia talk. Making you an admin wouldn't help cos we shouldnt be tweaking things on the main page. We only need to do that when we've $%^&ed up. We need a flag on the page that says "still fiddling please wait" that is good say for 10 minutes of fiddling (even if it is red!). Or maybe simpler ... do not load the page (unless requested or agreed) unless it has been free of edits for 10 minutes. Anyway ... commiserations. Victuallers (talk) 16:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations
Hi Gatoclass, I must say I am quite admirative of your courage in standing for User:DreamGuy on the Administrator notice board. Your arguments make a lot of sense. Although I am fairly confident with English, I am not a native speaker, and I am quite envious of your ability to put out a strong, detailed, argument. I myself feel I have been relentlessly attacked for unfair reasons by some of the same people who are attacking DreamGuy, and I tend to sympathize with his case, although I don't known many of the details yet. Congratulations again, and best regards. PHG (talk) 12:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. I happen to have quite an interest in ships as well. I unstubbed and brought to FA status the Imperial Japanese Navy article. Your comments are welcome! PHG (talk) 13:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK next update
Is there anything that I can do to help select the next group? I should be online, so buzz me when the group is ready to promote. Royal broil 03:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The hook "...that U.S. Route 12 was extended into Washington in 1967, taking over most of the routing of U.S. Route 410?" meets the DYK criteria. Royal broil  03:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK Jifna
I changed the dyk hook for Jifna on the talk page. Its a just a little less interesting than the previous, but its backed by a reliable source and is certainly note-worthy. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes but I can only do the load as very busy in real life
Victuallers (talk) 12:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was away from the computer for a while, so I missed the update, but did all the notifications. Thanks for asking, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It was done at 12:24, March 27, 2008. The update shows up on my computer, but I just purged the Main Page cache, which should make it show up on everyone's. This is the scissors lift picture set of hooks - right? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I assume purging the Main Page cache did the trick. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not know where to look to see when the cache was purged - not sure it is even recorded as it is not technically an edit. I certainly have forgotten to purge the cache right away a time or two, so perhaps that happened here too. Just glad it is working now. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:18, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was glad to help - thanks for all of your work on DYK and WP in general. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Er, sorry, literally just going to bed four hours later than planned, and need to be up very early in the morning. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Engerth locomotive
Answered on the talk page of the article. Mjroots (talk) 19:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's looking like 1989 is correct! Check the talk page. Mjroots (talk) 21:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Ned Kelly - not known outside Oz?
Wasn't it Mick Jagger who played him in the Hollywood film? :-) Victuallers (talk) 16:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:ERROR
What precisely is the notice that comes up when you try to edit the page? Are you sure it isn't a database lockdown? I am trying to find out why this is happening. Regards. Woody (talk) 08:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, I am glad we have a reason for it! Woody (talk) 09:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)