User talk:Gavyn Sykes/Archive 1

Rob Van Dam Edit
Why did you undo my RVD edit which covers his post WWE tenure by touring the UK, doing signings, and working with the BBC and documentary work?

EDIT: I have just noticed somebody did in fact vandalise the article with a false claim (to the extent of a fan getting a shout out) - but instead of deleting the comment, you deleted the whole article.
 * My apologies. I tend to revert one too many edits on occasion. Gavyn Sykes 19:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Summerslam
they've been airing commercials in memphis hinting that the undertaker will be returning at unforgiven on september 16 in memphis,tn. User:Cowboycaleb1 —The preceding  signed but undated.

Chuck Palumbo
I'm not sure what your argument is, Gavyn.

It is well established that Heat is an extension of the RAW brand.

Heat features RAW wrestlers.

Chuck Palumbo is being featured (and pushed) on Heat, having beaten established RAW wrestler Charlie Haas, and is being featured again this week.

I don't know how this can not mean that Palumbo is a RAW brand wrestler.

If Velocity were still around, and Palumbo showed up there, he would then be considered a Smackdown wrestler because that was Smackdown's designated "sister show", just like Heat is to RAW.

I'm afraid we're in disagreement over this issue sir, and I believe I'm in the right on this one.

Ohgltxg 3:38 June 10, 2007 (UTC)

name calling
isnt tolerated on wikipedia. Also "ganging" up on someone is trouble to. Now why dont you keep your nose out of business that you have no part of and try not to start a war? BlueShrek 22:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Where has he ever called you a name Shrek? Also, please check out the guidelines and policies, anybody on WP can get involved in any situation. TJ Spyke 22:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe he's referring to the time on your Talk page when I called him "Shrek boy" which I only did, as I couldn't recall his name, but I knew Shrek was in it. Gavyn Sykes 23:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

"I saw him report you to the admins for a violation of the 3RR" False the spartan reported him i havent made no effort to get him blocked because blocking is stupid. "which you didn't violate." Yes, he did violate it check the page history "If you give me a direct link, I can try to back you up" This is called "ganging up" and isnt tolerated on here. "since Shrek boy" Petty name calling which, if i see again i will report your ass "seems to have Rob with him." I have no one with me youll see ive made no contact with him Im looking out for the articles not the people on here. "I'd hate to see you get another temp ban" Me to, but the facts are he violated the rule "You're a vital part of the WikiProject" POV

So you see YOU have tried to start shit that #1 isnt even happening right now and #2 isnt any of your concern. Have a nice day and remember DONT NAME CALL.BlueShrek 23:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone needs to adopt him and teach him the rules

Some one needs to adopt you and tell you not to run your mouth on wikipedia because i have read over all the rules and youre violating WAY more than me.BlueShrek 23:06, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Please point me in the direction of these rules I have violated. I am not running my mouth. I am attempting to resolve this. You are the one causing it to escalate, you're inciting flames. Gavyn Sykes 23:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

S vs. R 2008
Sorry about that bad edit, I saw the undo button, which I had never seen brfore, and pushed it, so it did that, Sorry again. Killswitch Engage 05:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's ok. I did the same thing once or twice when I was starting out. Don't worry about it. Gavyn Sykes 05:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Draft
Just for the record, I agree that it should be only about the draft and not trades/defections. Mshake3 03:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok then, that's good to know. Thanks. Gavyn Sykes 03:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You called it
I'm back. See my userpage for why. The reason sucks,  The  Hyb  rid  04:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

No Mercy 2007
I added the new match because its been annoucned to wwe.com so may we please put it back??Deadman lastride666 17:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

"Vandalism"? But why?
Good evening.

Recently, I edited the Dave Bautista article. You decided to undo the edit, for your own reasons, and maybe you were right to do so. However, you stated: "Reverted 1 edit by TheCursed identified as vandalism to last revision by Bmg916.".

Oh my God... Vandalism? How come? "Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia.". Maybe the changes I made were awful, but nonetheless, I did not try to "compromise the integrity of Wikipedia" deliberately, AT ALL, and I strongly believe that this is more than just obvious.

I feel somewhat insulted that you considered the edit "vandalism". I don't want you to apologise or anything, but I have a question: Do you really believe it was valdalism?

Thanks.TheCursed 11:47, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

As it turns out, you're correct. I accidentally hit the "Rollback Vandalism" button on Twinkle rather than just "Rollback." My apologies. Gavyn Sykes 15:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

No need to apologize, I just wanted to know. There is a lot of vandalism around and mistakes cannot be avoided anyway. Thank you for the answer. :) TheCursed 19:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I end up reverting a lot of it myself, and I get so used to hitting "rollback vandalism" that I mess up on regular edits. Thanks for understanding. Anyway, I hope you continue to contribute to the pro wrestling Wikiproject. Gavyn Sykes 19:47, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Of course I will!

By the way, it seems that we enjoy pretty much the same video games. :) TheCursed 18:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

That's good to here. It's not often we get a new member who is constructive. Go here to see the project page if you haven't already. The talk page is something to watch.

Cool. Heh. Gavyn Sykes 18:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

This is cool (you need to click edit)
 The  Hyb  rid  19:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh. That is cool. Gavyn Sykes 19:32, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

COTW weekly notice
Whenever the template is finished being updated, if you are the first to notice/the one to update it, could you pop on over to User talk:Misza13 and let her know? We're supposed to notify her every week. If you could, then that would be great. I'll be asking some other users to do the same thing. Cheers,  The  Hyb  rid  20:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not 100% of which template you're actually referring to. Gavyn Sykes 19:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Sadly I cant use TW because I'm using Internet Explorer :-( Stormin&#39; Foreman 18:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, I don't really see the point of having two internet programs. I've been on the waiting list for VandalProof for a while now. Stormin&#39; Foreman 18:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

WWE Cyber Sunday
Could you help me with these IP's? The keep adding something about "The Savior Returning". It's NN, but they provided the source at WWE (of that weird video that's been airing for a few weeks) and I don't want to take the chance of reverting a second time since it's not clear vandalism. I am thinking of asking again for it to be semi-protected at WP:RFP but am unsure of what to say. TJ Spyke 22:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can do that. This whole Jericho thing is becoming quite annoying. I have the article on my watchlist, I'll revert those edits if I see them. Gavyn Sykes 00:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

WWE Judgment Day
See WP:PW. Apparently Ticketmaster has Judgment Day 2008 info (odd since WWE has not officially announced the event yet), including the city and arena. Feel free to express your opinion. TJ Spyke 01:47, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Move linking
I'm not sure. Could be glitches (it's happened to me sometimes), it could be somebody messed up the section link and so it only takes you to the top of the page. TJ Spyke 22:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

TNA Genesis
I don't know what to do, Nash did say Hall is Sting's partner. I just checked the iMPACT spoilers (since TNA tapes 2 weeks at a time, so they already taped next weeks episode), and Hall says he is not Sting's partner and Sting said Angle would find out at Genesis who his partner is. What do you think? Technically Sting has not said Hall is his partner and TNA's site still has "?" listed (even though they updated with the other matches announced tonight). TJ Spyke 04:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, could you help out at Survivor Series 2007? There are people ignoring the warnings there and adding spoilers from SmackDown. TJ Spyke 04:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:PW newsletter
I noticed that you supported the idea for a newsletter for WP:PW. Well, I have drawn up a draft of the newsletter here. It would help if you have your feedback and suggestions at this talk page. Thanks! T he  C hronic  23:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Re
OK. Instead of reporting it to WP:ANI, I've told trusted admin Yamla (who is currently online) about it, so she can deal with it. Davnel03 20:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * They've been warned - as they have violated WP:3RR. Davnel03 20:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And it was Shad. I suggest you'd take a look at the "Who I'd Like To Meet section". Davnel03 20:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

WrestleMania 23
Good work so far! I wouldn't cover every single feud, because some feuds didn't have a big buildup (Khali/Kane, Womens title, US title), but I would cover the other feuds. With it being a "WrestleMania page", it deserves to have at least five storylines covered in depth, some of which need to be covered in a bit more depth than what they currently are. If you wish, I could clean-up the Background section and add WWE.com references if you wish. I really don't mind doing that if you wish. Thanks, Davnel03 18:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll start cleaning it up now with references added. Davnel03 18:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I won't be finished with the Background section till at least the weekend - my laptops broken down. :( My other computer is deadly slow, so it's gonna take a while for me to do the "Background" section. You can start on the "Event" section if you wish. Davnel03 22:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the delay, I've got a ton of things outside of Wiki to deal with, plus I have an exam on Monday, so it won't be complete till next weekend. You might as well start the "Event" section - I really don't mind if you do. I'll try and get the "Background" done by next weekend, but I cannot say anything definite. Davnel03 17:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Things outside of Wiki have got in the way, and will probably be unable to carry on with it. I'll probably do a bit here and there, but won't be able to do loads.  Dav  nel  03   10:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Kelly Kelly and Layla El
i have moved them back to other on-air talent, if they continue to wrestle then fine move them back but they have only competed once on ecw twice in total so until then please leave them there.Skitzo 22:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * ah ok, i must of misread the differences thing from your last revert as they were in female wreslters, personally even if they do keep wrestling i dont think we should move them as there is only 2 of them on the ecw roster, but i wouldn't mind if they were.Skitzo 23:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Please
Don't revert "per BMG". While I appreciate that you agree with my reasoning. I would ask that you revert per that reasoning in your edit summaries, rather than per me. I'd also should probably mention I've changed my stance on the whole spoilers thing based on Lid's comments over at WPT:PW. Thanks. Regards, Bmg 916 Speak 17:23, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with that. But I also think what Lid said about using the dirt sheets was true. WON is a credible wrestling newsletter (for the most part), and they post spoilers Bmg 916 Speak 17:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Survivor Series 2007
WWE.com has had a history of spelling mistakes dating back to its inception.

Every single site I have visited spells Runjin Singh as 'Runjin' as do the rare on screen captions.

With regards to the times, with the exception of the Elimination Tag match I am absolutely sure of the timings. Sentinel618 (talk) 22:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

a quick question
do you have a working script for the Admin-like RC Patrol tools? Skitzo (talk) 02:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * ah ok just thought i'd ask seeing as i see you often use "good faith" reverts lol. Skitzo (talk) 09:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

yeah i've tried to use that (with firefox) but it doesn't seem to want to work for me. Skitzo (talk) 17:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:PW newsletter
You say you would be willing to be interviewed to the interview thing? Well, see here. T he  C hronic  06:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Vince McMahon
Why do you insist on changing Vince McMahon every time...even though what is being written is accurate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruinfan13 (talk • contribs) 09:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Watch Wrestling?
First, I don't really care if you don't want to say outside interference is or isn't a move...just like wrestling, it's somewhat of a joke. Many people would say outside interference is a move btw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruinfan13 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
  You got a Christmas card! → → →

WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter
You are receiving this because because you are listed as a member of the Professional Wrestling WikiProject. If you would rather receive a notification of the newsletter sent to you, please add your name to this list. If you no longer wish to receive any notice of the newsletter, please add your name to this list. Delivered: 23:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC) by MiszaBot (talk)

Stevie Richard's page
Hi Gavyn, I noticed that you undid all my contributions to Stevie Richard's page. What was wrong with the entries? Those are his interests outside of wrestling. He wants to talk about the other stuff he does, outside of wrestling, is that not allowed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackrose36 (talk • contribs) 21:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, that was actually my first ever contribution, I usually just read the articles. I'll fix it up and you let me know if it's ok. I'll make the pic a little smaller, I wanted to add that in there, cause he's actually very cute in that pic and I wanted people to see what he's like outside wrestling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackrose36 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I will continue to make changes to the article, I'll read up on more on how to do this right. Thanks for your help! Blackrose36 (talk) 01:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:PW interview
So, weren't you going to suggest a question for the newsletter? :) T he   C hronic  06:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Members Recall
''Lex, where the hell are they even implying that that's what they interpreted your post as. I don't see it. Calm down and clear your head. An inactive and active members list is fine. But it serves no real purpose that I can see. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 04:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)''

They did imply that the Active members list is to drop people from the project. When you said "I don't see it", you assured that you did not read the 2 comments above mine:


 * If I were one of the ones who was excluded, I'd be offended that you seemed to want to drop me from the project because I don't post on this talk page often enough.

-GaryColemanFan


 * The minute it starts feeling like a job or something that you have to do otherwise risk getting kicked outta the club or whatever, it loses it's appeal fast.

-Odin's Beard

Cheers,  Lex    T / C   Guest Book   14:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey
I wasnt talking to you i was talking to whats his face.LifeStroke420 (talk) 18:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Me?  Dav  nel  03   19:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

WrestleMania 23
I'm beginning to start referencing the sections again now that I'm on school holidays. Seeing as I have two weeks off, I should be able to get it finished by then. :) Cheers, Dav  nel  03  Sign It, Junior!  15:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks.

Cheers, Dav  nel  03  Sign It, Junior! 19:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just finished the WWE title section. Your doing a good job on the "Event" part. I'll reference it when I come to it (I probably won't do that until February, as WWE will be opening the WM24 section soon I imagine). D.M.N. (talk) 17:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You could insert a sentence on Sabu's leap over the top rope. If you are struggling here's a detailed report that could help you (even though it has come from a "dirtsheet" it is still reliable for this! :) D.M.N. (talk) 18:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi/Question
Hey Im Kevin aka Truco, just wanted to holla at u...cuz i see ur pet died in november and so did my dog, so we have somethin in common. Great pet moments

PW question, take a look at this article 2007 WWE Draft, does it deserve a "start" or "B" class rating?? (oh n sign my Guestbook) thanx.-- Tr U cO 93 11 TaLk / SiGn 00:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I did. Now I have the difficult task of making articles for the rest of the drafts :p{blah}

Wanna help??.. [:-D] -- Tr U cO 93 11 TaLk / SiGn 00:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, well that's still good, cuz the 2005 draft is one of the drafts where you can find alot of sources for. Can we make that a CoTW? Tr U cO 93 11 TaLk / SiGn 01:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, sounds kool. Thanx, friend. Tr U cO 93 11 TaLk / <b style="color:darkblue">SiGn</b> 01:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's fine, when you have time you can start it in my Sandbox.-- Tr U cO 93 11 <b style="color:darkblue">TaLk</b> / <b style="color:darkblue">SiGn</b> 21:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

That's ok, you can help anytime when you have "time". HAPPY NY-- Tr U cO 93 11 <b style="color:darkblue">TaLk</b> / <b style="color:darkblue">SiGn</b> 16:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, no i dont have a grudge, I put many things in quotes and people interpret what I mean different. And I just randomly used it.-- Tr U cO 93 11 <b style="color:darkblue">TaLk</b> / <b style="color:darkblue">SiGn</b> 17:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Archiving
Do you need help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThinkBlue (talk • contribs) 01:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you like the one I added on your talk page? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like Blue beat me, but that's how you archive it and Blue did it correctly.Cheers Tr U cO 93 11 <b style="color:darkblue">TaLk</b> / <b style="color:darkblue">SiGn</b> 02:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Also can you join the discussion about the 2007 WWE Draft, I am trying to nominate it for FL status, find the link here in the talk page Talk:2007 WWE Draft Thanx man..-- Tr U cO 93 11 <b style="color:darkblue">TaLk</b> / <b style="color:darkblue">SiGn</b> 02:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
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has given you a bottle of Cristal! Cristal costs $350, and hopefully this bottle has made your New Year's Day better. Spread the spirit of the New Year by giving a bottle of Cristal to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Give a bottle of Cristal to someone else by adding to their talk page with a friendly... wait...
 * Hey, one more thing: you're being interviewed for this week's newsletter. You can answer it here. T he   C hronic  22:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Have A Great Oh-Eight
Happy New Year! iMatthew (talk) 21:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Jake Roberts dispute
I have reported Lswhitten for violating 3RR. For the editor's comments, see the editor's talk page. GaryColemanFan (talk) 18:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

ECW (WWE)
The same IP adding the unsourced info here. Even though WWE announced that RAW is going high-def, they don't seem to realize that high-def could be 720p, 1080i, or 1080p and they are providing no source (and no source for if/when SmackDown and ECW will go high-def).  TJ   Spyke   06:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I am doing this correctly....but why was the information I contributed about Bill Goldberg removed ?
Gavyn Not being technically savy....I'm not sure if I am doing this correctly... but I would like to know why my edit about Bill Goldberg's pro-football career with the Sacramento Surge of the WLAF was removed ? There are others who care about the pro-football side rather than the wrestling, and I for one would like to see complete info about people I look up. If I edited wrong or whatever; fine, but to remove information about a year he played on a professional football team that wasn't even listed does everyone a disservice. Sincerely Jeremy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.160.81 (talk) 01:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Stephanie McMahon, Vince McMahon, et al
Please do not revert my edits. I know what I am doing. All names starting with "Mc" are supposed to be defaultsorted as "Mac" to assist in category sorting. If you are unclear about something, you should contact me or an admin; you shouldn't delete other people's work without taking these steps. Yellow-bellied sapsucker (talk) 01:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Things aren't done this way.
We have never noted one night occurences like this. What makes this one any different?--72.186.91.47 (talk) 20:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC) i'm in delirium!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.219.141 (talk) 10:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI (Regarding WrestleMania 23)
Please see this. Cheers, D.M.N. (talk) 21:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yo, you might want to check this out
Here.--72.186.91.47 (talk) 02:55, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hornetman
Doesn't he just piss you off? He keeps coming back, even when he knows the WP:PW community doesn't want him here. Cheers, L  A  X  03:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * At least his IP and sock are blocked now. Cheers, L  A  X  03:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Zane Truesdale
Your edit was reverted. In Season 4 Zane is shocked while drawing from the deck and realizes it has been the cause of his heart conditions, not the electrodes as he originally thought. The Clawed One (talk) 22:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was translated correctly. Further proof comes when Syrus uses the deck, and he too is subject to pain upon using it. The Clawed One (talk) 22:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Comments on another's talk page
Dude, if users want to remove comments from their own talk page, they can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mshake3 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I had someone doing the same thing to me (reverting my removal of comments on my talk page), and it would be hypocritical of me to ignore the same thing happening to someone else. I disagree with the guys edits, but policy is policy. Mshake3 (talk) 01:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Sikes
Hi, my name is Steelerfan-94. I also do a lot of WWE suff on Wikipedia, As a fellow student how do you find the time to write and edit on Wikipedia? and do you have any pointers you can give me on like on editing wrestling articles like the WWE Roster or something. let me know, Steelerfan-94 (talk) 19:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC).

Speedy deletion of Template:ECW Roster
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If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes.

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I'm new
When did the Observer stop being considered a reliable source for results? –– Lid(Talk) 04:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just amused you didn't call me on the "I'm new" part of this topic when I have "administrator" on my profile page and got CM Punk to FA status. –– Lid(Talk) 04:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's rather irrelevant anyway, SmackDown is airing in Australia right this moment so it is no longer a spoiler. –– Lid(Talk) 04:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not entirely aware of what is going on but it seems some people have been attempting argumentum ad nauseum to claim that the consensus is spoilers are not allowed and the Australian airing is unreliable which is the complete opposite of the actual consensus reached. The spoiler one I can sort of comprehend, but the "Australian airing is unreliable" is ridiculous and isn't even a spoiler issue. I'm tempted to point out the actual consensus arguments on wikipedia, and even the wikiproject, and their results to say that it isn't who yells the loudest and the most often that is factual. –– Lid(Talk) 01:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Sable
I saw the match and she was there. I thought that should be noted that they were still together.They also called her his bride.If I'm wrong then tell me.--WillC (talk) 02:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Wiki freinds
I am adding to my user page a list of my Wiki freinds/allies is it O.K if I add you? thanks. Steelerfan-94 (talk) 22:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC).