User talk:Gcpolerio

Sources for Giulio Cesare Polerio
VAN DER LINDE, ANTONIUS: Das Schachspiel des XVI. Jahrhunderts. Nach unedirten Quellen bearbeitet. Verlag von Julius Springer, Berlin 1874

LEON, J.A.: Forty-Six Games of Chess: by Giulio Cesare Polerio, from a hitherto unpublished Manuscript.

BARON VON DER LASA, TASILO Zur Geschichte und Literatur des Schachspiels. Verlag von Veit & Comp., Leipzig, 1897

MURRAY, HAROLD JAMES RUTHVEN: A History of Chess Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1913

BAFFIONI, PROF. GIOVANNI: Giulio Cesare Polerio Lancianese Maestro di Scacchi (XVI-XVII) Regione Abruzzo, Centro Servizi Culturali, Lanciano, 1993

SANVITO, ALESSANDRO: Il Boncompagni-Ludovisi era ritenuto disperso: Ritrovato un codice di Polerio L’Italia Scacchistica: 311, 1994

BAFFIONI, PROF. GIOVANNI: Lectura Polerii Regione Abruzzo, Centro Servizi Culturali, Lanciano, undatiert (Geschenk der Biblioteca “R. Liberatore”, Lanciano)

BAFFIONI, PROF. GIOVANNI: Giulio Cesare Polerio, l’Apruzzese, Maestro di Scacchi Europeo (XVI-XVII) Litografia Botolini srl, Lanciano, 1995

SANVITO, ALESSANDRO: Bibliografia italiana degli scacchi, Degli origini al 1999 Edizione Sylvestre Bonnard sas, Mailand, 1999

Images
I made a very small change to Talk:Giulio Polerio to make the image smaller. Have a look at this and you'll understand how it is done. Debresser (talk) 15:38, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Move articles
You (!) can change the name of the article, if you so want. Changing the name of an article is called moving an article. Press "move" on top of the page you want to rename and enter the new name. I agree with your suggestion that it would be a good idea to rename the article. Debresser (talk) 15:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Drafts for planned articles

 * User:Gcpolerio/Il Puttino
 * User:Gcpolerio/Codexes of Polerio

These are links to so called user subpages. Now you can work on the articles without anybody disturbing you. As soon as you have something that is worth showing the world, you just move it to the real names Il Puttino and Codexes of Polerio.

As I said in Talk:Giulio Polerio I am willing to assist you with technical help and advice, but not the actual research and writing. If that is fine with you, of course. Debresser (talk) 18:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

@Debresser

I actually need your support - I understand that you are not expert for Polerio, but I suggest you have expertise on a lot of different fields.

Three questions:

1. Please have a look on these files:

deleted filesGcpolerio (talk) 11:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

They concern books as old as 300-400 years of age. I got them (need overall 6 - quality as you can see) as scans on photopaper about 8 to 10 years ago from the Koninklijke Bibliotheek, National Library of the Netherlands. Do you see any (legal) problem to publish them at Wikipedia? Is there a possibility to get them now (it already 8-10 years later) directly from the Koninklijke Bibliotheek, National Library of the Netherlands as jpg, for means of free access? (If you see any legal problem I will kill the two scans from the Server)

2. What I can do, technically, to upload 6 jpg files to Wiki?

3. To describe Codexes of Polerio is difficult as highly interesting as well. I think it should be done PUPBLIC (i.e. starting at a very draft version just being at Wiki_English). The most relevant on these Codexes has been published, until now, in Italian and German languages - therefore I think in the English Wikipedia (I speak both languages, but Italian as of 1550-1634 causes some difficulties to me). Could I start a draft on which you can have a look first - whether it is appropriate etc.? If you think that it is appropriate - the work should be done public with the support of different people (of different first languages). This is a big job. E.g., just van der Linde list 250 games - noted by Polerio (not meaning that he has played them ... ). If you find it interesting, could you give me some technical advices how I can draft - while you are lookin on the draft (and only you for the beginning)?Gcpolerio (talk) 20:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

1. The books themselves are in the public domain since they are old. The scan are another story. The best idea is to write the library and ask their permission. You'll have to state the nature of the permission when you upload the scans to Wikipedia, or they will be deleted after 7 days.

2. See Upload. I recommend creating an account at Wikimedia Commons and upload there. Just follow the instructions.

3. My experience with making pages is that it is easier to make the draft on my userpage and move a more or less serious version of the article to the main article space later. If only to avoid being tagged for deletion as "too little content", or a dozen other tags.

I am watching both draft pages above and (when I'm online and can spare the time) I will give them my best. Debresser (talk) 21:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Thx a lot! Please note that I just have published an article called Il Puttino, already revised by you and others. Potentially, I'll contact Koninklijke Bibliotheek, National Library of the Netherlands for some *.jpg files from Salvio's books - but this has no priority. I'll start in the next days to publish a draft on the Codexes, as suggested by you on User:Gcpolerio/Codexes of Polerio. Would be nice to get some comments from you once the very first draft is in a mature stage.Gcpolerio (talk) 07:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Terminolgy of "Polerio Gambits"
Help Help Help: How to write on impact of Polerio on Terminolgy without introducing the (not existing) term Polerio Gambit at Wikipedia???Gcpolerio (talk) 11:26, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Why do you say it doesn't exist? I saw you even made it into a section heading here. And you brought a source as well (On Page 186 of "Das Schachspiel des XVI. Jahrhunderts. Nach unedirten Quellen bearbeitet, Verlag von Julius Springer, Berlin 1874" van der Linde wrote).

By the way, the word "page" is written without a capital, "page" not "Page".

You are getting into trouble with No original research. This means you can't say anything that hasn't been said before in this encyclopedia. Any novel conclusion should (and probably will) be removed. Debresser (talk) 12:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Thx, have understood. I hope you and Wikipedia accept my apologies and the form written now is okGcpolerio (talk) 12:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm just telling you, so no apology needed. It restricts our freedom to write, although we usually one way or the other fall prone to it. Like stressing certain points of view, taking loose connections for hard ones, etc. And nobody will make a point of it, as long as you don't do anything more blatant than that. Part of the trick is to avoid certain words that give away that you are putting forth your own conclusions, and use even weak references to make what you consider to be a valid point. Debresser (talk) 12:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

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