User talk:Gctrl

October 2016

 * We have concerns regarding conflict of interest and undisclosed paid editing regarding the article Successor (Dedekind Cut album). The article was created and edited by numerous single purpose accounts, like yours, within a span of 24 hours. This seems highly unlikely to us that this would be independent interest considering the album had not even been released yet and the page receives very few views on a daily basis. This convergence on the article indicates to us that there is something tying all the accounts together and something more than simply friendship. It comes off as a professional attempt to create and promote this topic which has included the uploading of copyright material such as images and music. If you can provide a reasonable explanation for how and why you and your "friend" become involved in editing this article, we will consider unblock your accounts. Mkdw talk 22:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I understand you have these concerns, but my block is for sockpuppetry, which I haven't done, so why would I continue to be blocked for something I haven't done and am not doing? Furthermore, why am I accountable for the actions of other users editing this page. I don't know them, or who they are, or why they are editing it. I was simply asked by a friend(username: Waterface2020) to help him edit it because he was having trouble. "If you can provide a reasonable explanation for how and why you and your "friend" become involved in editing this article, we will consider unblock your accounts." The reason I became involved in editing this article is separate from the act of engaging in sockpuppetry. You blocked me for being a sockpuppet, but I'm not a sockpuppet and I can prove it. What else has to be done? I'm also not here (nor am I required by Wikipedia guidelines) to argue for my "FRIEND" or anyone else but myself. As for explanations, again, I was helping a friend who asked for help because he didn't know how to do certain things. So I helped. I would say that's a reasonable explanation. What other users have intended to do or are trying to do for/on this page, has nothing to do with me, and again, I know nothing about who they are or what their intentions are.Gctrl (talk) 02:28, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Let's be clear, Wikipedia is not an intricate legal system whereby if you can get out of a technicality on a single issue, all other issues are beside the point. We many policies on Wikipedia and they are all taken into considering when implementing blocks and granting unblock requests. You were not solely blocked for sock puppetry. The entire situation was brought to our attention because these accounts were making highly suspicious promotional edits. WP:COI and WP:PAID are core policies and violating them is something expressly prohibited, and some with even real world legal considerations. If this is the case, this is a much more serious problem for your friend and you by proxy than simply sock puppetry. Editing on their behalf and violating these policies falls under WP:MEAT, a subsection of WP:SOCK, where multiple users edit abusively using multiple accounts. This was brought up in the investigation and actually determined to be the most likely situation. The collective sum of that case is the reason you were blocked including the fact that we already didn't believe this was a case of a single person using multiple accounts.
 * It's been proven through technical evidence that your "friend", Waterface2020, created multiple accounts to edit the article for seemingly promotional purposes. We are almost positive this is a situation of WP:PAID. Either by proxy of the artist or the artist themselves. The SPI investigation determined that the convergence of evidence was enough to suggest that these accounts either through sock puppetry or meat puppetry, were also connected. Unless the issue around PAID cannot be addressed, then being granted an unblock request because we now have clarity on only one of the many issues plaguing this situation, is simply not a realistic expectation. While you may be caught up in something greater by your friend, the situation grows even more complicated as there have since been attempts to edit the article by other accounts since all of this has been implemented suggests there is a willful attempt to circumvent our protection policies. Mkdw talk 05:14, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, yeah, yeah whatever. Wikipedia is not an intricate legal system but you're writing me a wall of text about an "investigation" and the growing complication of this "situation". Dude, it's a Wikipedia page for a music album, lol, who do you think you are? What exactly is it you think you're safeguarding? Anyways, I made a new account with a different IP, so no sweat off my back. Good luck with your investigating of suspicious activity on WIKIPEDIA, I'm sure you'll be working for the FBI or CIA in no time, lol. And btw, this article: Successor (Dedekind Cut album) is looking pretty dope. Seems like it's all finished. So much for that investigation of yours.Gctrl (talk) 07:33, 11 November 2016 (UTC)