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Why decline my request?
Hi, The second page protection request made by me was on 2014 fifa world cup article, one of wikipedia's most vandalised page. Hope you got me right??? BenisonPBaby 12:52, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but it simply isn't. When I protected it earlier in teh year it had been vandalised, but since protection ended it's been nowhere near as bad. Only a couple of edits. Ged  UK  12:57, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined
Hi, you declined the speedy deletion due to him "producing a notable single", but none of the songs in the discography are singles, they are just random songs on albums (the links are redirects). Not to mention he has only produced four songs by notable artists, and the entire article is unsourced.  STATic  message me!  16:56, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, they're tracks rather than singles, I'm showing my age. Point still stands; producing tracks/singles/albums fora notable person is, to my mind enough for A7.
 * I take your point about unsourced though, I should have tagged it for BLPPROD myself. Ged  UK  11:37, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think the creator might have done that just to make it seem like the songs the subject produced had articles, or were notable. No big deal though, I will wait and see if the PROD results in deletion, and if not I will take it through AfD.  STATic  message me!  15:12, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

British Empire
Hi GedUK just a quick question. I was nosing the British Empire page. You seem to be guarding this page so I thought I would ask first. Can reference to the American Revolutionary War in the third paragraph be changed to the American War of Independence? As it's what we call it. Babydoll9799 (talk) 19:55, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not guarding it. I protected it. I have no opinion on the content. The article's talk page is the best place for that. :) Ged  UK  17:05, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 06 August 2013
It's been almost two weeks since the last newsletter, and a lot of improvements have been made during that time. The main things that people have noticed are significant improvements to speed for typing into long pages, scrolling and deleting  on large pages. There have also been improvements to references, with the latest being support for list-defined references, which are s defined inside a block. Users of Opera 12 and higher have had their web browser removed from the browser black-list, mostly as a result of work by a volunteer developer. Opera has not been fully white-listed yet, so these users will get an additional warning and request to report problems.

Significant changes were made to the user interface to de-emphasize VisualEditor. This has cut the use of VisualEditor by approximately one-third. You can read about these at VisualEditor/Updates/August 1, 2013, but they include:


 * Re-ordering links to the editors to put "Edit source" first and VisualEditor second
 * Renaming the link for VisualEditor to "Editbeta"
 * Disabling the animation for section editing.
 * Changing all labels for the classic wikitext editor to say "Edit source", regardless of namespace.

There have also been many smaller fixes, including these:


 * Horizontal alignment of images working correctly on more pages
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Most of the Wikimedia Foundation staff is traveling this week and next, so no updates are expected until at least August 15th. If you're going to be in Hong Kong for Wikimania 2013, say hello to James Forrester, Philippe Beaudette, and the other members of the VisualEditor team.

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Hollow Bodies (album)
You can delete this redirect page and move the article now as the AfD ended. Thanks, Insulam Simia (talk) 20:36, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Ged  UK  16:00, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Same old, same old
I see your previous block on User talk:HoarseForeman. He seems to be persistent and for some reason addicted to unconstructive edits. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, he's (effectively) indef blocked now. Ged  UK  08:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

NA Deletion
Dear Ged UK, I feel like the deletion of Nazarene Ally was too fast, less then 24 hrs. I read A7, and I would like to add that it is notable, and important because it is the first group of its kind for the Holiness Movement Churches, and the COTN, which represents some 5 million people. Thank you for your time, and I hope you reconsider its deletion. Moonraker0022 (talk) 06:40, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I can restore the page to your userspace for you if you like. Had you included that fact that it's the first groupo of its kind in the original I might not have deleted it. However, please note that whilst that might be enough to pass speedy deletion, which has a lower threshold, that won't be enough to establish notability to wikipedia's standards. It needs external, independent sources that cover the subject in depth. Let me know if you want me to restore it. Ged  UK  10:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The Artsy Fartsy Show
Hi. You recently deleted this article per WP:CSD : "Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban". However, G5 only applies to articles "which have no substantial edits by others". I pretty much rewrote this article from the ground up, so I would say G5 doesn't qualify in this instance. Could the article please be restored? I don't mind if you think it should go to AfD for being a non-notable stub, but I'd prefer to take that to a full discussion as I can probably argue for it being at least good for a redirect to WBAI. Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)   10:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Ged  UK  10:39, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks - can you do the talk page too? Oh, and some of the earlier revisions in the article were partial copyright violations - should they be revdel'ed? Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   10:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course, sorry I should have done that the first time! Sorry about the deletion, you're quite right, this was one of a set of his I'd deleted in a row.
 * I can't actually revdel, only redact an edit (a technical difference, perhaps, but important). Redaction criteria are set out at WP:RD, and personally I think that replacing the copyvio text in this case is sufficient, per WP:CPI.  If the copywrite holder wants it removed, then of course it will be.  Ged  UK  10:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, thanks for the heads up. That all makes sense. I was aware of the banned editor's contributions, which were frankly bizarre - he seemed to do a search for sources, copy and paste text into the article, then insert sources randomly. You then had articles that superficially looked okay, citing reliable sources, but were in fact rubbish. Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   11:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think he was a paid editor; get the stuff up there quickly, get paid, move on. Ged  UK  11:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Daredevil Project
I am currently working on this page and adapting my writing style according to the traditions of WIkipedia, sorty for any offence I may have caused- I certainly did not mean to promote this company through wikipedia. Please do not delete my page because I am currently in the process of completely overhauling it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmRob07 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I wasn't the most recent admin to delete it. The version I deleted had no indication at all the company was notable. You should contact if you haven't already. I can't restore an article someone else has deleted.  Ged  UK  19:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 August 2013

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User edit warring and making false claims ect...
User:Winkelvi decided to revert me here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Design_the_Skyline&diff=568373829&oldid=568301090 with some false claim that I changed the band member's name to zeroes (even though this is exact opposite which is clearly obvious when you click that link showing the diff) and then aftward he reverted me again when I changed it back.

Then when I went to his talk page, being as pissed off as I was, he decided to say I was making "personal attacks" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Winkelvi&diff=568690152&oldid=568682941

what is this guy even thinking? So in a nutshell he convicts me of doing the exact opposite of something, then when I tell him what he did was wrong he removes his own messages, calls it personal attacks and edit wars with me again? What the... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.140.208 (talk) 19:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Doom vs. D00m
Hey - I was just replying to your message on my talk page when there was an edit conflict and you removed what you wrote. Just for the record, here is the text of my reply:

The zeroes aren't vandalism, they are how the guy spells his stage name. And I didn't use rollback except on my own talk page. I used Twinkle for the other edits. Please look into the facts (not just take what an IP user reported for 3RR says at face value). Look at the edit warring report, please.

Hope we can get on the same page with this! -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 20:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * As these two comments are related to the same issue, I'll merge them together. To me, this looks like a big misunderstanding. Without a source in the article, no hidden text note, removing '00' for the more standard 'oo' seems a perfectly reasonable response. Winklevi, your edit summary for this edit is a little confusing. Reading it again with the additional information I've now seen, I think I can see what you're trying to say, but on first reading to me, and the IP, it does seem to say that 'oo' is what it should be, and that the IP has used '00', which of course they hadn't.
 * It would have been better to add the source at the start of the process, rather than engaging in an edit war (even if both sides thought they were reverting vandalism). Additionally, if you'd have explained it on the IP's talkpage rather than just sticking to a templated message, that would probably have helped too.
 * Mr IP, additionally, please refrain from personal attacks; calling someone an idiot and asking if they're crazy rarely gets a good response from most people.
 * I'm going to copy this to the 3RR report as well, and close it as a misunderstanding, which I think it was. I hope this has helped sort this out :) Ged  UK  20:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Addressed your resolution at the edit warring report page. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 21:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The only reason why he's "Dani D00m" on twitter is because that name is taken, here's a verification from the band's website http://www.victoryrecords.com/designtheskyline it's still pretty ridiculous and unbelievable that this guy would make this much drama out of this. Twitter isn't even a source to begin with and yet he's using it as a means to just because he used a name that was taken and used zeroes to get around the fact that it was taken by someone else on a social networking site. Now this is really just getting sad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.128.213 (talk) 07:34, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This is an issue for the BLP noticeboard. Ged  UK  08:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * As I suspected would happen, the IP user is back reverting and again harassing me via my talk page and using personal attacks. Nothing positive was accomplished.  This was not a misunderstanding as originally thought, rather, trolling and simple edit warring along with personal attacks and harassment, as I reported initially.  I have no problem being wrong about the content.  I have a big problem with how this IP hopping "editor" operates and has been enabled to engage in same. This may be an issue for the BLP notice board, but it's also an issue for the 3RR notice board because of the edit warring and battleground mentality of the IP.  His choice to attack and use harassment through abusive language should not be tolerated, either. You seem to be giving hima a pass again, and I fail to understand why.   Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓  11:48, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, there's clearly an issue about the name, and that needs to go to the BLP board. He is raising a valid point, and it needs to be addressed. However, he is not doing it appropriately, and I've now blocked the current IP for NPA. I've watchlisted the article. I'm reluctant to protect it at this point, however, but if necessary I will.
 * I will raise this at BLPN. There's no point discussing it on the talk page as it's only you and the IP, and I can't see that discussion going well.
 * Sorry if you didn't think you were getting protection, but there's a complicated issue here and it's not a case of one side clearly being right. However, personal attacks won't be tolerated, thank you for remaining calm. Ged  UK  13:37, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * When I saw his editing history and knew he had problems like this other places along with running to other admins using the same kind of explosive behavior and language, it was clear to me he wasn't done. In my opinion, starting up the edit warring again is the bigger problem, especially since he never once went to the article talk page.  And, since he's somehow able to use or change to different IPs, who knows how long he's been doing this?  Wouldn't blocking him for edit warring be more appropriate along with the block for personal attacks?  He knows when to knock of the abusive language/personal attacks (it's obvious in his communications with others elsewhere), but he doesn't seem to get that going back and reverting a fourth time in less than 24 hours and never discussing on the talk page is simply not acceptable. -- Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  16:15, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * One more minor thing: He's wrong about Twitter being an acceptable source. Twitter is allowed as a primary source when nothing else is available as a secondary.  And, how would he know that this Garza character only used "Dani D00m" (with zeros) because "Dani Doom" was already taken by another Twitter account? Also, his edits in several other articles as the IP he used yesterday suggest he isn't a newbie at all.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  16:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I think I've found out who this IP hopping guy really is. The IPs from both yesterday and today are extremely similar as are the Geolocations. Check out the sockpuppet investigation for User:Gunmetal Angel here. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 17:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * SPI filed. It's the same guy. See here. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  17:36, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Noted. Ged  UK  19:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! :) Ged  UK  14:56, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

PC on Little Mix
Hi, Ged UK. Re, you just may have more confidence in this sort of protection (and perhaps in our fellow reviewers!) than I do. Nonetheless, thanks for acting, and I sincerely hope you're right and I'm wrong. Rivertorch (talk) 17:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I just want to make sure we've explored all reasonable avenues before full protection; that really should be the last resort. Ged  UK  18:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Matrix & Futurebound
had two top thirty hits in the UK - more than enough for it to pass WP:BAND criterion #2. There may be very little content, but to be honest an AfD will probably cause traffic to be drawn to it. Please move the article there.-- Laun  chba  ller  20:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No, sorry. WP:BAND states that "A musician or ensemble ... may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria:". Emphasis mine. With only two sources, neither of which could be said to be reliable, this does not pass the GNG, which is more important. They almost certainly are notable, but without the sources at the moment, it's not ready to be moved to the mainspace. Moving to the mainspace in order to start an AfD so more people see it is not an acceptable reason for moving it. Sorry. Ged  UK  20:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * How the hell is The Official Charts Company not reliable?!?-- Laun  chba  ller  20:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Because it doesn't cover it in any depth. It's just a listing. All that does is confirm they exist, not establish notability. Ged  UK  20:17, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Did it work?
The padlock template. What happened when you fully protected your sandbox (it was the only level of protection I was not able to test, for obvious reasons). Ginsuloft (talk) 20:51, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yup, nice yellow lock appeared. Spectacularly useful template! I saw it appear on Tom Daley and thought I hadn't seen it before, then a quick check through your contributions and there it was! So I tested it in my sandbox :) Ged  UK  20:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

declined A7 speedy deletion of Airomo
In Articles for deletion/Airomo I've tried to explain why I believe all the coverage of this company is in dubious sources. KDS4444's latest comment in Articles_for_deletion/Search_Engine_People makes a similar observation about another in this series of articles. This is just to let you know in case you happen to look at a speedy deletion nomination for another of them. — rybec 22:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this. It's important to remember that the CSD criteria have a lower threshold; an indication of importance rather than the much stricter notability requirement that AfD discussions focus on. Ged  UK  11:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Georgia (country) to Georgia move suggestion
Please comment here. Thanks. georgian JORJADZE 00:06, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've no comment on it really. Not quite sure why you notified me, but noted. Ged  UK  11:48, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

List of Castle episodes
Thanks for the speedy and decisive action on the article and with the editor. They have an exhausting lack of understanding of even the simplest practices on this site. (And have just removed th warnings on their talk page again in a snit!) --Drmargi (talk) 12:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. They can remove the warnings if they like, it doesn't make any difference really. Ged  UK  14:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 21 August 2013
Both VisualEditor and MediaWiki were upgraded recently. For VisualEditor, this is the long-awaited post-Wikimania update with many bug fixes and enhancements. Work also continues on speed at opening and during use, as well as on the bugs reported here and at other Wikipedias. The full report is at Mediawiki.

References are displaying properly, even when nested or in image captions (.  Reference lists are now always fully populated with references (bug 50094).  Firefox users can insert an existing reference in the first paragraph .  Opera users no longer see corruption of categories when a reference was added (bug 50385).

Stray spaces are being stripped from the start of paragraphs to end one of the common  problems. We also fixed a round-tripping bug that caused desirable whitespace in templates (used to make templates more legible, e.g., by putting each parameter in an infobox on a separate line) to get corrupted (bug 51150).

Wikilink handling was improved. Users are not allowed to create internal links to invalid titles (titles that are actually impossible due to limits on acceptable character combinations in titles, not redlinks). You can extend wikilinks, but it won't do so over a wordbreak (like a space) (bugs 49931 and 51463).

A handful of fixes to the user interface were made. The toolbar doesn't float over personal tools after opening a dialog or the inspector. Toolbars were also re-written to be collapsible/expandable, with room for more icons. Buttons in dialogs can now be activated using the Tab and Shift key commands (bug 50047). This saves time for editors, because you don't need to take your hands off the keyboard to click a button. We fixed a handful of bugs that affected only certain articles or certain browsers, including toolbar buttons in Firefox (bug 51986) and dialog panels that didn't always scroll correctly (bug 51739). Bugs with undo/redo getting confused have been fixed.

Images, in addition to getting references displaying correctly, also saw improvements with a set-empty link parameter no longer corrupted (51963). We corrected thumbnail images' display so that they look don't wrong in some contexts (bug 51995). Inserted images no longer explicitly set their alignment, but instead inherit the default position in compliance with the Manual of Style (bug 51851).

More edit notices, warnings, and metadata like information about Pending Changes on an article now appear as appropriate (bug 49699). When new articles are created, users are now shown the   message (bug 51459). VisualEditor now handles templates that set "meta" items (like a category) and nothing else better (bug 51322). If the database is locked when a user tries to save with VisualEditor, they now get a message telling them as such and an opportunity to try again, rather than a silent failure (bug 51636).

When you save the page, having the default preference set to "mark all my edits as minor by default" no longer overrides the setting in the save dialog (bug 51515). If you open VisualEditor from a section edit link, the section's title will be pre-filled in in the edit summary box when you go to save it (bug 50872). The size of the save dialog box in the Monobook skin has been fixed (bug 50058). Also, wikipage content handlers like sortable tables are re-run automatically after saving.

A very early version of the mathematics equation editor is now available for testing on mw:Mediawiki. If you would like to help improve the user interface for math editor, please test out the extension at mw:Mediawiki:Sandbox and leave your comments directly at the discussion page for the Math Node User Interface at Mediawiki. You should be able to use your regular username and password should to login to Mediawiki.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:42, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Star Wars Holiday Special
Could you at least move-protect this article, along with the redirect, The Star Wars Holiday Special? I don't want to request it in the RFPP again, unless you reject my re-request here. --George Ho (talk) 23:32, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * With the discussion reaching agreement, this doesn't seem necessary now. Ged  UK  11:21, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Lute88
Dear GedUK. Lutheran Hail Hitler (Lute88) waged an editor's war deleting data with reliable sources in Jewish Cossacks article. She without any reliable sources must have tried to prove that there have never been any Jewish Cossacks in Russia because of the so called Russian antisemitism, opposed by Petlura and Hitler being genuine liberals in her opinion. Liberal Hitler wanted to seize the UK to oppose the British antisemitism, to proceed with her opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MVanova (talk • contribs)

editor's war to justify the Nazi invasion of UK and Channel islands occupation
Dear GedUK. See WP:vandalism Lutheran Hail Hitler (Lute88) waged a vandalism editor's war deleting data with reliable sources in Jewish Cossacks article. She without any reliable sources must have tried to prove that there have never been any Jewish Cossacks in Russia because of the so called Russian antisemitism, opposed by Petlura and Hitler being genuine liberals in her opinion. Liberal Hitler wanted to seize the UK to oppose the British antisemitism, to proceed with her opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MVanova (talk • contribs)
 * Neither of these things are relevant to your edit waring on that article. Rather than throwing personal attacks around, why don't you actually discuss the article on the article talk page. Ged  UK  11:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism is any removal, or change of content in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. Examples of typical vandalism are adding irrelevant obscenities and crude humor to a page, illegitimately blanking pages, and inserting obvious nonsense into a page. Not a single verifiable document has ever claimed obvious nonsense that there are only Ukrainian Jewish Cossacks. There were studies focused on Jewish Cossacks in the Dnieper region in the 17th century first of all because the Don Cossack Host archive had been fired in 1744 and statistics had become impossible thus. Moreover even a lot of old Jewish and Karaite houses in Cherkassk had been destroyed by this fire, though Peter Nikolaevich Krasnov wrote about Jewish Cossack purchase documents of these houses dated by the 16th century he was given by many Don Cossacks of Jewish descent. He emphasized that these Jewish Cossacks had been the first Cossack settlers of this ancient town. Michael Sholokhov refused to have any Slavic actress as Aksinya in the "Quiet Don" movie because of the Jewish anthropological type of his Aksinya in his novel similar to the semi-Tatar type of his Gregory. A slavic actress would be a nonsense, in his opinion. For example, the studies of Ukrainian Jewish Cossacks mentioned in an article have never denied the existence of Jewish Cossacks in Russia. Then Ukrainian language was used in the Lugansk division of the Don Cossack Host. Lower Dnieper Cossacks because of their multilingual composition used in fact "old Belorussian" (the Russian language of the great duchy of Lithuania with Cyrillic letters) and Hebrew. This is why the first Ukrainian language vocabulary was signed by "Lugansky Cossack" (Vladmir Dal). The same IP address of Lute88 is used to accuse her in Neonazism. Many accounts from the same IP address to champion for both Nazi ideas and antifascist ones from the same person is an active vandalism as well.
 * At what point did I accuse you or them of vandalism? I don't think I did, so I'm not going to read the rest of that. Use the article talk page. Ged  UK  21:10, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Tiger 22
Hi Ged, I completely get what Wikipedia's policies are. But however, the information that were originally posted were incorrect. In your point of view, how could I prove that I've done the right thing? Right now, the company is still starting up and still don't have, up to now, an information site. We don't have any online reference that I could cite that would look reliable.

Thank you! Dominick Galauran (talk) 12:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The problem is, I have no idea what you're saying is true, that you do actually work for the company. For all I know, you could be from a rival company trying to disrupt this page etc. What you need to do is email on the emial I left on your talk page, and Wikipedia can run through its various checks, and we can go from there.
 * Additionally, if the company is only starting up, and there are no reliable sources talking about it, then it should probably be deleted anyway. Ged  UK  11:15, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

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