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Article Edward Tobinick Please protect. Repeat vandalism, V, NPOV. Peer-reviewed author, his life’s work controversial, randomized double-blind placebo studies in support of his work removed.

The author is his work. Edit removes four randomized double-blind placebo studies that support Dr. Tobinick's invention of etanercept for disk pain relief, and one randomized double-blind placebo study that supports Dr. Tobinick's invention of etanercept for Alzheimer’s Disease:

Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, dose-response, and preclinical safety study of transforaminal epidural etanercept for the treatment of sciatica. Cohen SP, Bogduk N, Dragovich A, Buckenmaier CC 3rd, Griffith S, Kurihara C, et al. Anesthesiology. 2009;110(5):1116–26. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=cohen+transforaminal+etanercept

Epidural administration of spinal nerves with the tumor necrosis factor-alpha inhibitor, etanercept, compared with dexamethasone for treatment of sciatica in patients with lumbar spinal stenosis: a prospective randomized study. Ohtori S, Miyagi M, Eguchi Y, Inoue G, Orita S, Ochiai N, et al. Spine (Phila Pa 1976).2012;37(6):439–44. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=ohtori+dexamethasone+etanercept

Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, trial of transforaminal epidural etanercept for the treatment of symptomatic lumbar disc herniation. Freeman BJ, Ludbrook GL, Hall S, Cousins M, Mitchell B, Jaros M, et al. Spine (Phila Pa 1976).2013;38(23):1986–94. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=freeman+transforaminal+etanercept

Sainoh T, Orita S, Yamauchi K, Suzuki M, Sakuma Y, Kubota G, et al. Intradiscal administration of tumor necrosis factoralpha inhibitor, etanercept, clinically improves intractable discogenic low back pain: a prospective randomized study. In: International society for the study of the lumbar spine 40th annual meeting; Scottsdale (AZ); 2013. http://www.issls.org/wp-content/themes/isslsweb/issls_pdf/oral%20and%20special%20posters.pdf

Dr. Tobinick's invention of etanercept for Alzheimer's Disease is supported in a recent double-blind placebo trial at the University of Southampton in the UK:

Arthritis Drug Shown to Slow Alzheimer’s Down http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-07-arthritis-drug-shown-alzheimer.html

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjwrjw100 (talk • contribs) 11:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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PC-protection expiring on or before August 16, 2014
Extend time for Ashoka, Siem de Jong, and Logic? --George Ho (talk) 20:01, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I've done Logic, but the others seem OK. Ged  UK  12:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Page Edward Tobinick
Please revert the protected page to the protected version from August 4, 2014.

The current protected page contains two recent edits by User: Proper Stranger that are in violation of NPOV. As noted on the Talk page, Proper Stranger cherry picked evidence. He removed positive clinical trial results, while leaving other results in. The results of his edits do not present all the significant points of view. His edits fail to conform to Wikipedia NPOV standards. The doctor’s work with etanercept is an issue of public importance. It is unconscionable that evidence was removed, that all significant views are not presented. The page without all the evidence should not be the protected page. If this request to revert the protected page to the protected version from August 4, 2014, is denied, please unprotect the page to allow proper editing that observes NPOV. Proper Stranger’s edits of 8 August 2014, included in the current protected version, fail the NPOV standard.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThirtyCat (talk • contribs) 14:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Please revert the protected page to the protected version from August 4, 2014.
Comment to Mr. Stradivarius, who denied a request to edit the protected page:

Mr. Stradivarius, I must beg to differ, specifically with two of the points you discuss.

Your suggestion that “detailed information on the clinical trials of etanercept would probably be better off in the Etanercept article” does not describe an issue with this biography. There has been no detailed information on the clinical trials discussed on this page.

This is the biography of a physician who is the inventor of new methods of treatment for neurological disorders. The inventions are why the doctor is notable. You can’t separate the doctor and his inventions. The inventions belong on the page.

While there have been no detailed discussions of clinical trials in this article, note of all trials and news stories should be listed, as they represent the response to these inventions. It is the comprehensive and objective listing that readers want, and expect. It is not NPOV to cherry pick which trials or news stories are included, as Positive Stranger has done.

How is the recent Daily Mail (UK)(this article having been removed by Proper Stranger), “Arthritis drug could also halt Alzheimer's: Treatment found to stop progression of memory loss and poor mood” article not relevant to the topic? The doctor’s invention for the treatment of Alzheimer’s Disease, first reported in 2006, has again been reported on by a major London newspaper, its efficacy being confirmed by a randomized clinical trial. This is not detailed information of a clinical trial that belongs on another page. This is news of the results of a randomized clinical trial, from a major news source, confirming the efficacy of a new method of treatment by the inventor. This is exactly the subject of this article.

The doctor is the holder of the following patents for his inventions: U.S. patents 6419944, 6537549, 7214658, 7629311, 8119127, and 8236306, and Australian patent 758,523. The reporting of all trials and news stories relative to these invented new methods of treatment is exactly the kind of comprehensive, objective evidence the reader wants and deserves, and which is required by NPOV.

Intractable spinal pain is a major public health problem around world. This page discusses a doctor and his new methods of treatment for this health problem. Is there evidence of the efficacy of these inventions? Yes, there is. Four randomized clinical trials (their listings removed by Proper Stranger) report on the efficacy of these treatments.

Proper Stranger removed the listing of trials and news stories that speak to the efficacy of these inventions. He did not remove detailed discussions of the trials themselves, which he argues belong on another page. But mentions of the results of these trials, as a reflection of the inventions, belong on this page. And they must not be selectively edited out.

Regarding your statement that you “don’t think it’s fair to characterize the edits in question as “[removing] positive clinical trial results, while leaving other results in.”” I can’t help but think that’s exactly what was done. Why leave a trial with unfavorable results (Johns Hopkins Walter Reed), but remove the positive trials? Why does the unfavorable trial remain? How is it different?! If the stated purpose is to remove what is relevant to the article’s topic, how is this trial more relevant to the topic than the positive trials? The selective removal of positive trial results appears to be simply because they were positive. This is not NPOV.

The cherry picked version of this article, as edited by Proper Stranger, should not be allowed to mislead and misinform readers for a minute more. Please revert this page to the protected version of 4 August 2014.

Thank you. Rjwrjw100 (talk) 22:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * This has been picked up by another admin now, sorry I was on holiday. Ged  UK  12:34, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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