User talk:Ged UK/Archives/2014/January

The Signpost: 01 January 2014

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Your submission at AfC Health status of Asian Americans was accepted
 Health status of Asian Americans, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as C-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. . Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!  T K  K ! bark with me! 19:14, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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 * Thanks for the notification, but it isn't really my article. It was written by and was ridiculously declined as not notable. I only came across it when I was going through speedy deletion requests whcih I then declined and resubmitted. It's a real shame that the original author hasn't been back to Wikipedia since this was declined, as I suspect we've lost a contributor due to a stupid decline (not yours!). Anyway, thanks for your work on AfC, I know how backlogged that place can get!  Ged  UK  12:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Ged UK!

 * Thanks! You too. Ged  UK  12:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Ged UK!

 * Thanks! You too. Ged  UK  12:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Belarusian American
Dear Mr Ged UK,

Thank you for protecting the Belarusian American article. I was wondering though why did you protect it on the version which didn't achieve consensus? Is it possible to revert it? As you can see from the history, Mankiw2 is a troll who never actually explains his reverts and ignores requests to turn to the talk page. Also, the character he tries to push into the collage didn't achieve consensus, while the character he tries to remove had been there for a long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.176.99 (talk) 23:54, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Whenever an admin protects an article, it's the wrong version. It's inevitable that someone will think it's the wrong one. Start the discussion on the talk page and build the consensus again. If he doesn't get involved, then we can take action against him in the future if he continues. Ged  UK  12:18, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * That's the point, I did start a discussion and as you can see the guy who does the reverts refuses to take part in it. If you study the case, you will see you did protect the wrong version because it's the one which is promoted by Mankiw2, who does it just for the sake of trolling (he never writes an edit summery and never wrote on the talk page). If someone wants to make a change in the page, they are the one who need to go to the talk page and promote it, therefore the version which should appear now should be the one which is the old consensus version which was there for ages. 90.206.176.99 (talk) 12:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I can see a 2 person discussion, one is you, the other isn't Mankiw2, which cannot be said to be a consensus. Is there another discussion somewhere else that covers this that I haven't seen? Ged  UK  13:36, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * In the archive I found a discussion, not a big one, where one person said what he did and others supported him. The other one is probably the sock-master of Mankiw2, they don't have the same IP, but they revert me on the same pages, and in the same pattern. They are never doing it at the same time as well. 90.206.176.99 (talk) 19:11, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * (happened to wander by; have no involvement) Some suggestions: 1) Be civil.  Criticize the behavior, not the person.  Don't call someone a troll.  At most, identify trollish behavior, but even that's not often helpful. Don't throw around sock accusations unless you have evidence, in which case filing a case is appropriate.   2)If there's consensus (you didn't provide a link), after the protection expires, make an edit that reflects that discussion, and link to it in your edit summary.  If there isn't one, hopefully the protection- forced break will mean that you and  can reach consensus by focusing on content instead of dropping insults.    There's no deadline.  (Advice from someone who at times needed to hear much the same thing.)
 * PS. In English, one must be a US citizen to be an American.  That's what the word does mean, and whether it should mean something else, is not relevant.  Therefore neither person (no one) should be included without a reliable source (which for this information would include a primary source such as a person's web site) indicating they are US citizens. --Elvey (talk) 19:05, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


 * You will notice that an IP address user is POV trashing Belarusian American and Russian American articles while artfully twisting the situation to make one believe he is the innocent party. Please look.  The result is an edit war of the IP user against all others--the others appear to be serious editors.  Hmains (talk) 07:08, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It is also true that this IP editor edits under different IP addresses, which he says happens automatically and not under his control. I understand this can happen with certain ISPs.  So the only way to stop this POV editor (who chooses to ignore article-documented facts) is to have very long term IP editing blocks on these two articles so the IP editor will get bored and go away. Hmains (talk) 17:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I notice you have done nothing about the IP editor who has been trying to insert non-American images into the articles while the editor you blocked has been trying to keep fooian Americans there; the IP editor is now on a revenge mission against the editor you blocked--removing fooian American images who were originally in the articles, as well as going after other edits of the blocked IP editor. Please look. Hmains (talk) 06:26, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Ged UK, when the IP I replied to above asked on my talk page for input, I, in a longer comment, endorsed your partial protection diff, noted why Manikw2 does NOT appear to be a serious editor, and noted that I think the recent action of semi-protection was probably for the best and may be needed long term; if I'm not mistaken, semi-protection will block both new accounts such as Manikw2, and IPs. --Elvey (talk) 22:33, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You are being 'played' by the IP editor (using all kinds of IP addresses, but same editor) who started all this mess by insisting on inserting non-American images into these articles and removing American images. Manikw2 and I kept removing them as non-American.  Manikw2 does not talk or explain, but the true culprit here is the IP editor and nothing is being done about it.  Hmains (talk) 03:28, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I see that both have been fully protected by, so do you need anything from me for the time being? Ged UK  12:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

More protection on pages pending changes?
Pages, including ones that you didn't enable: Saryupareen Brahmins, Sanadhya Brahmin, Beast (South Korean band), Paoli Dam, Chatrak. --George Ho (talk) 07:47, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I've protected the ones that didn't already have some protection on. Ged  UK  12:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Protection of Edge of the Earth‎
I'm confused why you made the protection to Edge of the Earth‎ indefinite. You say "vandalism, AfD was to redirect, IP editor doesn't agree, so protecting" I'm guessing the IP is gone by now (3 years later) and the activity on the page seems slow enough that vandalism shouldn't be an issue. Can we try opening this back up? Cheers. Crazynast 10:37, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking back at the time, looks like an IP didn't accept the deletion/redirect of the article at AfD. Time's changed now and the article exists again an seems to be notable. I've removed the prtoection, it's unneeded now. Thanks for bringing it up. Ged  UK  12:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Gareth Thomas (rugby)
Can you expand protection time? The amount of edits is low, but there have been vandalism for months. --George Ho (talk) 09:04, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * There had been issues, hence the protection. Since protection ended, there hasn't been any issues. It is on my watchlist, and if I see something that warrants protection, I'll put it back on. Ged  UK  12:45, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Jewish Cossacks protection
A previous addition of large chunks of text by is now being added by an IP jumping editor from Sankt Petersburg ca. once a week. Have a look and see if a longer semi is merited. Happy New Year, Sam Sailor Sing 10:35, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've put a long pending changes on instead. I think that's probably a better solution as edit levels are pretty low/slow. Ged  UK  12:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Best, Sam Sailor Sing 12:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

breaking links
When moving an article like Tadaksahak, would you please leave a rd so you don't break all the incoming links? If I hadn't caught it, all the incoming rd's would've been deleted, and all the article links would've turned red. — kwami (talk) 18:26, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Noted, but it would probably be just as sensible to not move the page to something with (temp) in the title in the first place. Ged  UK  20:52, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 08 January 2014

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Suggestions for your archive box(es)
I got here as a result of your message on User talk:Σ.

Might I suggest this archive box instead of using one archive box per year:

As you know, you can add the  parameter if you desire the archive box to be collapsed upon page load. I did not make it that way here because your current use of six archive boxes takes up more space collapsed than this does expanded. This archive box also includes a notification about automatic archiving.

Also, you currently have a configuration for the archive indexer bot which has to be updated manually. The following, placed at the top of your talk page, will produce the same effect:

You can, of course, edit the above such that it will work from User:Ged UK/talkpageinfo.

In addition, if you want the threads in your November 2007 - August 2008 page placed in appropriate archive files by their dates – just like all your other archives – you can move the threads from that page onto your main talk page. User:lowercase sigmabot III will then move them into appropriate pages based on the dates in the threads the next time the bot runs on your talk page. While old, they would only be on your talk page for a short time. You would, of course, then need to add a 2007 line to the above archive box.

Help:Archiving a talk page has been updated with more examples. Makyen (talk) 00:19, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That's really helpful! I've always struggled with coding boxes like this. My current version was the best stab I've ever managed to make, but this is a definite improvement! Ged  UK  12:05, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. I am happy to help. You are not the only person that struggles with this. I have added quite a few examples to Help:Archiving a talk page and expanded the text there. My hope is that having examples that are basically cut & paste will make it easier for people to accomplish what they desire. Makyen (talk) 04:37, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, and that page is a definite improvement on what I remember! Ged  UK  12:08, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Multan
Is extra protection time needed? --Gh87 in the public computer (talk) 19:59, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look like it. Let the protection lapse and see what happens, but it looks like PC is working quite well, and there hasn't been that much vandalism. There's plenty of good faith IP edits, so I'd like to see how it works unprotected this time. We can always put it back on again after. Ged  UK  12:19, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 15 January 2014

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 * EdwardsBot (talk) 22:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

PC on Malaysia related articles
Thank you. I think that will help. Always hard to know what to do with persistent SPA socks, but at least it removes the immediate gratification, and the ability for him to sock from any number of IPs with instant live results. Your help is appreciated. Begoon &thinsp; talk 15:43, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. Ged  UK  12:04, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Something weird happened here
... with this and this edit. The first one was actually made by me, but we got an edit conflict. In my edit I had replaced the weak wisegeek ref by the two book refs. Very bizarre. Any idea how this can happen? - DVdm (talk) 12:57, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I see what the problem is? I protected it, then rolled it back to the last version that looked like it was OK. Then youo added your edit on afterwards. Ged  UK  13:02, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Um, no sorry, not so weird after all. That first edit edit of yours was different indeed. I should have looked closer. We just had a straightforward edit conflict. Anyway, let's hope that these sources and your protective action will calm everybody down. By the way, my attention to this was drawn through a talk page message at my place. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 13:07, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

List of actors who played characters that portrayed Doctor Who
Are you sure this would not stir trouble with "fanboys"? Would AfD be better? Bearian (talk) 23:36, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm, perhaps you're right. Ged  UK  12:06, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Tree warbler
Hi Ged, you reconfigured Tree warbler back to semi-protection after the pending changes trial was over. It seems that the page is still a good candidate for pending changes (now that it is back). Thoughts? Crazynast 08:51, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Yes, very good point. I'd forgotten about the dear warbler. Ged  UK  12:30, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 January 2014

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Lee Ryan
Similar content was added by autoconfirmed user; then the content was removed again. If PC2 is too arbitrary, I'm unsure about how semi-protection can reduce edits by autoconfirmed users. --George Ho (talk) 21:12, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless I've missed something, PC2 still isn't agreed, and I don't see the need for it on this article. PC1 seems to be working quite well. It might be worth adding a hidden note adivsing users not to add sourced from the Mail. Ged  UK  12:07, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

There have been several reverts lately. Expand PC-protection time? --George Ho (talk) 18:55, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you saying to extend the duration of the protection, or the scope (ie PC2). Time extension is probably, scope expansion isn't. Ged  UK  12:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Time expansion actually. Recently, instead of BLP-violating, there are vandals blanking some content. George Ho (talk) 05:44, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Declined G13
Message received on User talk:HasteurBot. I can't help it if there's 8~9 hours between when the page gets nominated and a admin gets around to doing it. Please remove the talk page message as you didn't follow the instructions for the page (Direct it to User talk:Hasteur) and I can't remove the message myself because the page is fully protected for good reason. Hasteur (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. I'm not blaming you or the bot because someone else edited it after the tagging, that's the admin's job to check. Sorry about the bot talk page, it was all done by the script and I didn't think to check. If I decline a HB in future, I'll try to remember not to template the bot. Ged  UK  14:01, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Talk:David Ogden Stiers
According to latest post (December 2013), without source published not in 2009, there is no "clear consensus to include". Why re-including it and disregarding past posts? --George Ho (talk) 19:10, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Found the dead source (highlight the article first; color's white). George Ho (talk) 19:34, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Nevermind the first post; I've started the RFC talk. --George Ho (talk) 19:52, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I am on the limbo here. I tried rewording the passage, but I still received concerns from others. Perhaps your comments will be appreciated as much helpful it should be. --George Ho (talk) 22:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest asking at the WikiProject_LGBT_studies, who are pretty good at the sourcing of whether someone's out or not. Ged  UK  12:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've notified the Project. I'm still awaiting your comments if you want to comment. George Ho (talk) 04:10, 31 January 2014 (UTC)