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Gem and Jewelry Wikiproject
Hi, I have just recently begun the groundwork for a wikiproject on Gems and Jewelry. Have not put it up for proposal yet, but would you be interested in working on this? My start page is at my user space - here. If not - cheers! SauliH 02:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Treat the working page as if it were up and running. Add what you like, and be prepared to be edited mercilessly! :) Eventually we can do a move to a WP name that makes sense. We can put it up at WikiProject Council/Proposals to for a broader reach, but I think if look at active editors on the pages, it will be a better way to go. SauliH 19:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We should make an effort to recruit a number of editors for the project. Three things we could do. One add WP proposal at WP Proposals to garner some interest. Two, scour the frequent editors of Gem and jewelry related pages for people we can invite directly (many do not watch the WP Proposals page). Three, just get the WP started and let start tagging pages, and as editors see the tags, and activity, they may add their particpation to the WP. We should decide what type of relationship to form with WikiProject Rocks and minerals. The problem that I see is that the WP never got past the first problem of resolving on an infobox, and has stagnated. I am of the mind to combine projects with a merge, and cover rock and mineral subjects as well. While I am not a rock freak - I am from jewelry retail perspective - and wouldn't involve myself into minerology discussions, and the scope would grow greatly, it would maybe resolve some of the overlapping territory. A name for the project could be WikiProject Minerology, Gemology, and Jewelry. We could maintain a sister-project relationship as another alternative. SauliH 06:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * part of an independant store with associations to org's that hold a high ethical standard. I want to protect anonymity somewhat. I do hold a GIA title in diamond grading.SauliH 23:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Welcome back! I had a great Xmas and New Year with all the busyness of the retail season and all, and family. With regards to your comment about procedures regarding starting a WP, there is no set procedure, although guidelines are given for best practice. Emphasis is placed on getting together a group of editors who are motivated to stick to it. I am part of a couple other WP's and have started one recently at WP:AUSTHIST (I am an Australian expatriate). I feel my strength is in some of the meta stuff, and organising resources for others to work from. I emphasize consistency in naming and presentation, and would be advocating ways to do this. Our initial objective would be to take stock of the breadth of coverage of Gems and jewelry, and lay out additional areas for initial stub creation and article development.
 * With relation to the border between gems and minerals. I tend to agree with you to maintain a sister project relationship (rather than a merge) with the minerals WP. We should not be concerned about treading on toes however, heck a sapphire is a gem in the minds of almost everyone out there, and needs to be tackled from that perspective primarily. The WP will provide a forum for discussion of article content should issues arise. Did you have any thoughts over your break? SauliH 06:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Moved the WP tonight. Find it at WikiProject Gemology and Jewelry. Did a lot of work to get a framework up, and managed to work out how the automatic tallying of assessed articles is done. SauliH 07:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you mean an infobox? On the project side I used the talk page project banner set up by WP:AUS to create Template:WP Gemology and Jewelry. I have been adding this to a number of pages, in the hope, that by doing so people will see it and jump on board. Where are you working on the templates, if I have any ideas while you develop it I can then provide some input. Tucson? No. I would love to get there some time, but we have other industry shows I get to, and they keep us busy. Fortunately we have awesome suppliers we source our color through. Cheers. SauliH 16:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Articles needing creation can be sorted out into various subpages which I just finished creating this morning. You can link to them in the banner where it says Gemstone Project page, Jewelry Project Page etc... At some point we should sort out the article list on the front page, and cull some of the crud in there (I pinched the topics from a websource). I will be more than happy to connect you to various WP pages. We should have a fairly robust tool for getting a handle on the whole WP subject area, and assessing the quality of articles. SauliH 19:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Essentially I created subpages at WikiProject Gemology and Jewelry/Gemstones‎, andWikiProject Gemology and Jewelry/Jewelry‎, WikiProject Gemology and Jewelry/Gemology‎, WikiProject Gemology and Jewelry/Business‎, and WikiProject Gemology and Jewelry/People for us to list articles which need work. The redlinks from here should be moved over to the appropriate pages. Eventually we will cull the list down to just redlinks - once we see what areas are well covered. The Template:WP Gemology and Jewelry on the other hand is for categorizing the talk pages, as well as rating them for quality and importance to Wikipedia. The page at WikiProject Gemology and Jewelry/Assessment outlines this in detail. Hopefully this time I made more sense :) SauliH 21:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey there!
Glad you enjoyed Tucson. One day I will get there. Thought I'd put a couple WP links up here for you, if you had not ventured there yet. To do Page, and Article List with Worklist.

You said something about the De Beers article being completely replaced with a new page. I had not been keeping a close eye on it, so if you link me to an edit comparison like this one I will take a look and see if we can reintroduce any old content into what is there now.SauliH 04:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Gemnology
If I can help with the Gemmology project let me know. I have posted some PDF files of data that I have begun to assemble at: http://groups.google.com/group/gemology?lnk=iggc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gemology (talk • contribs) 06:24, 12 April 2007
 * The above message was not from me, the user forgot to sign. Anyways all the best for the work on Gemnolgy! STTW (talk)  06:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Sapphire requires attention
Hi there! I have just looked up the article Sapphire and found that the last two paragraphs of it (beginning with "all the things say about sapphires is not true") have a lot of grammatical mistakes and also questionable content. You can see in the history page, that a certain unsigned user (who added the last two paragraphs) also removed a lot of content. Since I do not really know my way around Wiki nor gems, I though that rather than changing it myself I would let someone know about the problem I found. I hope you don't mind.

Bye: Matyas 213.16.121.165 10:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem.. will check it out ! Thanks !

Gem-fanat 20:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Criticism of Christianity
I had thought about checking out those other sites at the same time, but with articles like this, it is rarely a good idea to remove controversial material (or links) all at once with little advance warning, even if you do have policy behind you. Infidel.org is a tricky case becase many of their articles are actually reposts of other, more notable, people's articles, and if I remember correctly, there was a fight a long time ago over skeptics annotated bible, I don't remember exactly how it all went down, but justifying the removal of it now could take quite some effort, and I don't contribute to the Criticism of Christianity article often. Homestarmy 17:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

dzi bead
Hi, I was only referencing a link that has been there before. You are welcome to make any changes to external links on dzi bead. Benjwong 19:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Gemology
I sure would like to take up your offer. Neptunekh 07:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Pearl of Lao-Tzu
Re: removal of spam. This was not meant to be spam. I've re-inserted the link for the "Ripley's believe It or Not". I would have uploaded the picture to Wikipedia, yet could not due to copyright. The pearlforpeace.org link was the only place to retrieve this picture.

Greek Agate
Ok I created and rewrote the Greek Agate article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_agate Can you please look at it and edit it? I change alot of the words. Thanks! Neptunekh 21:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Brazilian Garnet
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I'm not sure if this is the proper way to leave a question but here goes: QVC has begun selling a gemstone they call a "Brazilian garnet." It is reddish-purple in color. Is this actually almandine? Does it even come from Brazil? Should there be a link from it to almandine or mention in the latter that almandines are also sold under the name "Brazilian garnet"? Thank you, Rissa (9/16/07).

-- Not quite sure... it could be spessartite as there were some recent finds of that garnet in Brazil, with very hoppered crystal form, and fairly large size. However if QVC means that particular garnet I am not sure.. they have so many trade names that usually try to either upgrade the material.. or associate the same material with a location that is more famous and hence often more valuable. By doing so, their material gets the appearance of a more valuable product as well, whereas in reality it is not. Gem-fanat 21:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

-- But yes all garnets in fact, including almandine, have been found in Brazil for a long time. Just thinking about spessartine since it was such a rave in the mineral world in the last 3-4 years.

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Thanks for your contributions to the project, Jor  dan  Contribs  17:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Zodiac stones
You recently improved the referencing of Zodiac stones. Unfortunately, the reference you give for the Zodiac stone table is a birthstone list (by month) rather than Zodiac sign and does not exactly correspond - should the gem for the first 21 days of the sign be used or the latter part? You seem to have chosen the latter part (which has a smaller correspondence). Now people have started randomly changing entries again, but it is not clear from the ref whether they should be reverted or not. If we go back to the old ref that would at least make it clear, but I agree that your ref is more reliable. Waht to do, what to do. . . 10:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, if you do "Gem-fanat (talk) 17:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)" you can sign your name ! Makes it a bit easier to talk :-) .. Anyway Zodiac is a redirect from Birthstone. So I'd need to check what the discussion behind that merger of articles was. Given what it is, I think Zodiac is perhaps not the proper title for it. I do think however it's more prudent to stick to birthstones especially with the redirect in mind. I will check it out during the holidays Gem-fanat (talk) 17:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for not signing, well actually, I did sign but apparently I used five tildes instead of four which interestingly just puts in the time and date without the name. The history of the article is that it was originally at Birthstone but was subsequently merged with Birthday.  An editor at "birthday" decided it was not wanted and deleted it.  Although the material was in pretty poor shape at the time (now much improved) I did not think that it should be deleted altogether so I re-inserted it at Zodiac stone (only later discovering the original location).  Anyway, I don't think the history or the page name is important, the key point to my mind is that table in the lede is for a Zodiac calendar and should have a reference to Zodiac stones.  The references are fine for the subsequent birthstone calendars but will not do for that first one.  Sp in ni  ng  Spark  10:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Another issue is that the Mystical and Ayurvedic lists were in the old Timewell reference but are not in the new references.  Sp in ni ng  Spark  11:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, we need to check this properly. Give me some time and feel free to make changes if you think it's an improvement ! Gem-fanat (talk) 22:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Bonjour!
Hi Gem-fanat, you could be the one who might ask the Wiki.en gentlemen to whitelist my URL www.realgems.org. Since December 2008 Vsmith & Co. (USA) have deleted all my external links so that all gemstone-interested Wiki users worldwide (! - except Germany) cannot find my collection of faceted gemstones (and their rough versions) any more... From July 2008 until December 2008 all my link additions (to my own, educational and non-profit) were not regarded as spam!!!

I have sent this message also to User:SauliH. —Preceding unsigned comment added by F.N. Berg (talk • contribs) 20:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Since a few days I have followed the instruction of a Wiki admin to create something worthy for Wikipedia so that my URL can be whitelisted again. So I created these articles on German Wiki BECAUSE GERMAN WIKI HAS WHITELISTED MY URL BECAUSE THEY HAVE SEEN THAT MY COLLECTION OF MORE THAN 2000 IMAGES IS WORTH BEING LINKED AT WIKIPEDIA: Tugtupite, Jeremejevite, Benitoite and added some data to Red Beryl. What else can I do to reach a worldwide whitelisting?

What do you think asking at least your French administration to whitelist my links on Wiki France?

A votre santé, Mike / Realgems.org F.N. Berg (talk) 20:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

-- Mike,

The problem is that according to Wiki guidelines you cannot keep adding your own external links, certainly not in the external links section for several reasons that have to do with "self promotion", or "spam", or "independence of authorship" and so on. Wiki is NOT a directory that should link to the "most interesting sites on topics A,B,C". It's an online encyclopedia that will make use of external sources (or so it should) that are considered reliable, scientific (depending on the topic), independent and objective. Whilst that is a monstrous task in itself, it will cloud the discussion completely if a judgement has to be made about "interesting sites" to add.

There is especially a problem when the owner of that site starts to link to him/herself, and does this in a consistent, spammy way. I am not saying you are, but you sure indicate that you added your links everywhere to tell the world about your site. That's about as bad as it can get...

I think we're all aware of the website now, so let nature run its course and see if it gets picked up by people other than yourself to be used as a reference website. Gem-fanat (talk) 20:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Kasaalaan child labour links on diamond page
I have to thank you for discussing changes on the diamond page which I do watch very closely ;-) That said, I have no objection against deleting those links (not mine actually). Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 12:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Feel free to modify diamond as you wish, within the usual guidelines (no POV, appropriate references, etc). Actually, I did not wish to work on diamond, "my" diamond articles were synthetic diamond, and a few others. Diamond was too non-scientific for me, but I got involved in rescuing an almost inevitable FA delisting of it, thats why so many edits of mine there. Some chapters there are not up to the standards (geology, perhaps mining, etc.). Materialscientist (talk) 12:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Child labour in diamond industry

 * Human Rights Watch Child Labor News
 * Report Diamonds in the Rough Human Rights Abuses in the Marange Diamond Fields of Zimbabwe

"Child Labour in the Diamond Industry" by International Labor Organization or BBC article are clearly relevant, you may add environment links too if you like. You may read guidelines again, all the WP:RS links are relevant, date doesn't change the case since child labour issues haven't improved during 1997-2009, if you like you may research for better links and add them too. External links used for expanding, then they may removed when an article section developed for the case. I have no tolerance for any kind for removal of directly relevant information. Child labour is a known issue in the diamond industry, try not to hide the facts. Kasaalan (talk) 21:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Working Order
Made the following change http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Gemology_and_Jewelry_Wikipedians%27_notice_board/Complete_to-do&oldid=312777165

I do not know how things are organized at WikiProject Gemology and Jewelry. I added the article Ratna Pariksha under Todos. Do not know if that is what you all expected. If I notice an uncovered article, how do I start with it?Ganesh J. Acharya (talk) 06:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I would try to use the templates for using/quoting sources.. it is a standard method and in this way you don't have these very long url's after quoting the text.. Gem-fanat (talk) 17:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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Agate ref
Could you provide a bit more about the reference used in Chalcedony? "CIBJO, Retailers Reference guide, May 2009" - publisher, notability etc. Vsmith (talk) 14:26, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure, just did. Gem-fanat (talk) 00:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Vsmith (talk) 02:35, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: deletion valid reference on gemstone page
Re your message: That's fine. Feel free to put the external link back in. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:30, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Re your message: No need to wait. =) Put the link back in as it's fine with me. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Farlang
What is your connection with farlang.com? You seem to be quite determined to have links to it, reverting several people who have removed them. Guy (Help!) 10:03, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

None. I have been editing Wikipedia since 2007 and used their library since that time as well as others such as Mindat or webmineral. Just like other editors in the field have used mindat.org or webmineral.com or amethyst galleries which is a e-commerce site or other commercial and non commercial sites which btw I have used as well. Gems, jewelry, minerals etc. is a very specific niche after all, and that's my specialization and those are the sources generally used Vsmith knows which libraries I use and so do other editors in the field and you can ask them. The library has no advertizing, is not commercial, no original work and all relevant and scientific sources. Whether a commercial site or not is irrelevant or else we can take out most of the external links and references :-)  Gem-fanat (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Pakistan gem page
Here is a gem fanatic I was looking for :) Can you help me with this article, Gemstones of Pakistan. I have limited knowledge of gem mineralogy and you can help. Samar Talk 10:53, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Yes I can.. give me some time though ;-) Gem-fanat (talk) 16:01, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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Art Jewelry Forum
Hello, I am working on a pet project to help digitize information about the field of metalsmithing+jewelry. I started with making a page for Art jewelry forum (AJF), and have a list of artists that I would like to make pages for as well. The AJF page has been nominated for deletion because it is questioned if the organization is "notable". I am reaching out to you because I saw that you edited some pages that relate to studio jewelry, and thought you may have an informed opinion (unlike the mathematician who nominated the page for deletion) about whether or not it is a "notable organization". If you have an opinion, one way or another, please way in on the articles for deletion discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Art_jewelry_forumClarefinin (talk) 20:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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Sybarite Jewellery
Hello Gem-fanat, I've updated the Draft:Sybarite_Jewellery could you please review and approve it or write me what needs to be added. Thanks. Ostashevskiy (talk) 06:17, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

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