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Questioning my edit on Franz Liszt
Hi there. I try to do my part with Wikipedia editing once in a blue moon, and rarely have I been successful, as the super arcane rules of Wikipedia editing defy me. I get it: there are lots of rules the make the whole thing work for those dedicated enough to penetrate them, but they are quite opaque to an outsider of the community of hardcore editors. Case in point, I'd like to politely challenge the revision you made to my entry on Franz Liszt, but it's far from clear where I should leave such a comment. So I just post this here, figuring you'll see it.

Anyway, my edit, as you observed, was to tag Liszt with the category of Hungarian Composers. You seem to feel that's not necessary. But, your having deleted that link I made, Liszt doesn't show up on the overall category of Hungarian composers: Category: Hungarian composers

Why does that category page even exist if you're not going to have Liszt show up there, who is among Hungary's top five most famous composers. His omission from that page is conspicuous. If he doesn't belong on that page, I'd posit that page doesn't belong on Wikipedia.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rickbruner (talk • contribs) 15:45, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Rickbruner! Writing here is fine, or if you need information not necessarily from a particular editor, just use the article's talk page.  My edit occurred because the sub-category of "Hungarian Composers", "Hungarian Classical Composers", already existed for Liszt.  We try to put people in the most refined category that exists in the categorical organizational tree.  There is no need to include the parent category also.  Most of the categories are themselves a sub-category of another, often many layers thick. These can change sometimes too—if, for instance, someone creates the category "Hungarian Classical Composers who teach"—the current category would be replaced with it (in the case of Liszt).  Hope that explains the change to your satisfaction.  Have a good day, and thanks for your efforts with the encyclopedia.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 19:56, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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Mormon Article
Prior to my edit, the article stated that President Woodruff "officially terminated" the practice of polygamy. That is not true, as a mere inspection of Official Declaration No. 1 makes clear. He prohibited polygamy only if it was "forbidden by the law of land." I put that language in quotation marks because it is taken directly from the text of Official Declaration No. 1. Including that language is necessary to avoid giving a misleading summary of Official Declaration No. 1.  It also demonstrates that the Mormons have no moral objection to polygamy and ceased endorsing it merely to avoid the imprisonment of their leaders and the confiscation of their property by the federal government. I know that modern-day Mormons are embarrassed by their history as a polygamous cult, but facts are facts, and it is not appropriate to say that Official Declaration No. 1 "terminated" polygamy when it did not.John Paul Parks (talk) 15:17, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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Remove O Benfica and Mistica from WP:PAM
Pages were merged into target. Can be removed from the list--Threeohsix (talk) 13:04, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Will do. GenQuest  "Talk to Me"

Reverts at User talk:128.61.20.111
Editors are absolutely within their rights to remove messages and warnings from their own talk page. Please stop restoring it. -- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 00:39, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Unless he is the Georgia Institute of Technology, or one of it's representatives. It's NOT HIS talk page. It is a shared IP.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 01:03, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The fact that they are an IP is absolutely irrelevant. IPs are free to remove messages from their talk page (with few exceptions), just like any other account (see WP:REMOVED). You reverting them repeatedly for something they are allowed to do is not an exemption to WP:3RR.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 20:36, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a shared IP, there's a difference. Or should be. I acted through common sense, something sometimes lacking around here.  This type of gaming the system by vandals is actually being discussed now at The Village Pump.  I see the arguments for and against presented there, and, judging by the consensus, I guess I will allow such perpetrators to have it "their way" in the future, and leave it to others to tie those vandals and their disruption down.  Thanks for the advice.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 01:58, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Stop
Please stop restoring warnings to my talk page, removing warnings from your own talk page is not vandalism, and this IS my talk page since this IP address IS mine, and FYI I was already blocked for 31 hours 128.61.20.111 (talk) 01:31, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * "Vandal Only" accounts such as the one you are using, have little traction here, and carry zero weight (per wp:IAR). If you choose to become a helpful editor, that will change, and I can and am willing to help you with that.  If you choose to continue trying to game the system by removing warnings to avoid blocking, however, then I'm afraid you will be sorely disappointed here. It's up to you.  Please see my note above to Ponyo.  It's not YOUR own talk page, it's a joint (the Georgia Institute of Technology school's) talk page.  You don't own that.
 * Now that you are on my radar, remove anything you want. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 12:07, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your continued efforts at WP:PM

 * Thanks, Penguin! :)   GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 18:40, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

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Ahmed Abou Hashima
Thank-you for the notice on my TP. I actually spent some time in RS pages looking-for some guidance about what would be considered RS for Egypt in the English-language or otherwise. The current article is not good to say the least, and I found it while browsing old article maintenance categories.

When I made that edit to the lede, there was no where else to put it yet, and the int link to his ex-wife's article was the most RS I could find. Any advice that you could give pointing to RS for Egypt area, would be a great help with this article, as I was mainly concerned against using celebrity gossip sites and blogs because there was some history for this guy, but I'm leery of the sources. Also- someone used youtube in another language as an article ref for the bloviated and article-killer "charity works'' section. I'd like to delete that entire section, but I need better refs to fix the article or it won't even be a stub.50.182.180.55 (talk) 15:52, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have added to the article, and added several English language references that could perhaps be gleaned for more information. It seems you've found a bit too. I also reduced the charity section per Undue. Good luck.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 18:08, 7 February 2016 (UTC)


 * TY. I finally found some rs on the talk page in the multiple article for deletion requests. The article looks a lot better now I think. His ex-wife is known for lying about her age and I don't think I want to add that to her article, and this guy seems to be following that trend or they keep knocking years off so I like that his age is not there, but the article does not look so unbalanced anymore.50.182.180.55 (talk) 21:15, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Montgomery C. Meigs Infobox deletion
From where did you get the unique construct "Not everything belongs in an Infobox: third and fourth generation descendants included."? The descriptor for the inclusion of Relatives in an Infobox is "Names of siblings or other relatives; include only if independently notable or particularly relevant.". The so-called 4th gen relative was commanding General of the U.S. Army in Europe, a Professor and Graduate of West Point and has his own WP entry. The third generation, his father, is suffering from some disambiguation exigencies at the moment, but is notable in his own right, and will have that issue sorted out once we resolve how to disambiguate 4 relatives with the same name. I have added Monty's other son, John Rodgers Meigs who was every bit as notable as his sibling Montgomery C. Meigs, Jr. who is listed in the Infobox. The proposed additions were all career military commissioned officers as was Montgomery C. Meigs (2 of whom died in the service to their country, and one of which was buried in Arlington National Cemetary that his father created). I will add back the other notable relatives unless you have a reasonable rationale. Thanks. NotaBene 00:45, 10 February 2016 (UTC) [Discussion Moved/transcribed to article Talk Page.
 * Because not everything does belong in an infobox, especially descendants that had no influence on the article subject at all.
 * First off: Infoboxes are designed as a summary of Key Information of an article; and their templates contain many fields to cover the many diverse articles into which they may be placed. That said, however, a field may be key information for the subject of one article as opposed to another — ALL the fields are not, and should not, be filled in for ALL the articles.  Note: The very fact that an article should even warrant an infobox is not standard in Wikipedia.
 * Secondly: the inclusion of far-descendants of an individual in an infobox (or even an article) amounts to adding mere trivia. This is because the article's subject, in most cases, has no knowledge of such individuals and their later existence has no impact/influence on the subjects' lives (although the reverse is possibly true, as the life of an ancestor can influence and inspire descendants).  Wikipedia is not a genealogy site.  Less distant descendants (children, grandchildren) are fine for the same reason.
 * How you reliably source the inclusion of just a mention of these descendants in the article is itself problematical. But raising the existence of these descendants to Key Information is a stretch.  Even WikiProject Genealogy only talks of ancestor table inclusions and not descendants.

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Pekmez merger
Please take a look at Talk:Pekmez. I got to the discussion a bit late, but.... --Macrakis (talk) 04:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Quick Question about Myoui Mina merger
Hi! I saw that you closed the discussed to merger Myoui Mina into Twice (band). I have completed the merger procedures. Do I have to go anywhere to notate that the merger is complete or am I all done? Katzenlibrary (talk) 19:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello. Just mark it ✅ at the wp:PM page if you will.  Thanks. 2600:380:547D:ECDF:496D:EBC5:7D8F:CBB3 (talk) 20:22, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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Mergers
Just thought I'd try and clear the backlog of requests that had built up: I know it's time-consuming and the burden shouldn't fall on you alone. Hopefully I haven't screwed anything up badly - you might want to look over it and check everything's been moved to the right section, polish up the wording and stuff, but I think everything's in process or been completed where appropriate apart from the request where you were directly pinged to close off. Richard3120 (talk) 02:53, 14 April 2016 (UTC) Richard3120 (talk) 02:53, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You did well.  I appreciate it.  I'm working 11-14 hour days and can't edit regularly or very much right now.   GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 14:59, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

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Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

 * Thanks.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 12:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Iroquois
Knock it off Peter Flass (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. Why would you write the above?  Did you leave a similar pointy comment at the editor who just broke 3R?  (I thought not.) Do you have a non-fringe reference for that name added to the Lead of the article, no less? Then add a citation  ... or remove it... I don't really care one way or another. Or do I have to take this to ANI to get it removed?  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 14:35, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I apologize for being so brusk. There's just not a lot of Mohawk language stuff on the Web. I found a couple: Cite added from Beauchamp. Peter Flass (talk) 15:16, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * A History of the New York Iroquois p.165
 * "So we will begin, as the first people's of this place, the  Rotinonshionni would have begun  all their meetings in harmony with the Earth"
 * "The following summer I found myself in the woods of Pennsylvania, watching my war party of 20 Rotinonshionni warriors marching down a trail to film a scene about a battle known as the “Bloody Morning Scout.""
 * Thank you for your civil response. Appreciated.  I couldn't find much of anything.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 15:40, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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you do it
There is more than one Maple Park Cemetery in Missouri. Finding Davis Tutt's grave in the cemetery which it's in took some time. Your deletion removed verifiable information from Wikipedia, which is a characteristic of vandalism. I can see that you're not going to revert your "correction," so how about putting the link in an External Links section as you suggested, or doing a ? I leave it up to you. - 173.28.93.51 (talk) 23:49, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Idiot. GenQuest  "Talk to Me"

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''Hello, I'm GenQuest. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to State of Franklin has been undone because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 13:15, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Information icon ''Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at John Sevier. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism can result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 13:21, 18 June 2016 (UTC)  -

Hello and thank you for your message. Regarding my efforts on the John Sevier article, all I was trying to do, was a translation of the Article to the Greek language with a view to make it available to Greek speaking people. Obviously, I was doing it all wrong, but vandalization would be a harsh word in my case. Anyway, I figured it out and I’ve started translating the Article in el.wikipedia.com. Kind regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madmarga (talk • contribs) 14:33, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Good. Let me know if I can help with that.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me"

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revert
Hi. Listen; The revert has a negative on it, which means that it shouldn't of happened. The abbreviation and "AKA" for Freerunning is FR. I added both if one didn't satisfy anyone. I ask that you please accept my revision. - Gavin Sch — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavin Sch (talk • contribs) 20:42, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

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However
Hi there.

Is there actually a written rule about this? However many rules may exist, they all have exceptions. See, it is perfectly OK to start a sentence with "however". Cheers. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  08:42, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, . There is.  I should have been, however, clearer in my edit summary.  "However" should never start a sentence when used in its conjuctive form.  A fast and simple rule taken from Strunk and White's "The Elements of Style," states that you shouldn't start a sentence with "however" when you mean “nevertheless” or “but.”  This is use as a conjuctive adverb, and should be avoided as the initial word in a sentence (although some recent grammar tomes seem to be relaxing that prohibition). Happy editing!  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 22:31, 3 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. I appreciate the response.  However, - I did that intentionally - you may wish to read this to the very end.
 * Me, I hate embedded "however"s. I would always prefer "However, I should have been clearer in my edit summary" over "I should have been, however, clearer in my edit summary".  The former flows much more naturally; the latter is contrived and awkward.  But, - or, if you prefer, however - to each his own.  Cheers.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  07:13, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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Roanoke Colony
If article is not overlinked, then why does Cleanup message with specific note about overlinking appear at the top of the page? Does this message need to be edited/removed? Additionally, there are multiple cases where topics are linked multiple times throughout the article. Please clarify. TastefullyDeclined (talk) 20:30, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I`m the fist to admit I know nothing about editing an article here or wish to do it..I have tried on several occasions to allow information about what is probably the only valid research being done regarding this topic at least into the talk section which is constantly deleted namely the research being done regarding the possibility that the colony relocated across what was then a section of swamp to high ground...artifacts have been found there...if anyone who is suppressing this would bother to read the information they would learn the Lost Colony Center for Research is a non profit...i have nothing to do with them or the literature which has been produced. Their website was originally listed in the article but not cited in any way...I could have gone about this differently but all I am trying to do is get to the truth...why can`t someone...anyone who is more qualified then me read the abundant information available at http://www.lost-colonly.com and at least address the issues.99.124.220.68 (talk) 17:54, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Nothing suppressed. Wikipedia is not designed to debate controversial beliefs, but report reliably sourced information.  Fringe websites and information has to be dealt with in the light of fringe references on balance with reliable, scholarly sources per due weight.   GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 02:24, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

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Spoetzl Brewery page
Per your message below, I changed your reference on the Spoetzl Brewery page because it is inaccurate, just as it is in the source you cite, the Official Texas Handbook. The original beer from the Shiner Brewing Association was not a Lenten beer, but a German-style Pilsner, brewed year round. The "Lenten" reference refers to Shiner Bock, which was not produced until 1913. Technically it was a seasonal beer, not specifically a Lenten beer, but that is splitting hairs and, while not entirely accurate, isn't inaccurate either. Traditionally German Bock beers were only brewed in spring, around Lent, and that has become a very common perception. but in fact, Shiner Bock is more accurately classified an American Dark Lager than a true Bock, according to many sources including the Brewers Association (http://shiner.com/shiner_news/index.php?p=43, http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style04.php http://www.beertutor.com/styles/lager_styles.shtml).

Regarding the specific line in question, I'm likely the most reliable source you need - I work for the brewery and have for many years. But I know that probably isn't sufficient, so you can also refer to Shine On (the official history of the brewery (written by Mike Renfro, Bright Sky Press, 2008. Specific references about the original Shiner brew, called "Premium" and also "Texas Special" can be found on pages 18, 36 and 38. References to Shiner Bock coming along after the brewery had been around a few years - and so not the "original" beer, can also be found in the book as well as many other sources (http://www.beerinfo.com/index.php/pages/ShinerBock.html, http://www.texasbreweries.com/shiner.htm, http://www.wideopencountry.com/18-things-about-shiner-beer/).

Since this involves deleting information, rather than adding it, it isn't clear how a citation would work.

Thank you, Eric Webber Spoetzl Brewery

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Please stop removing my hard work, I have worked for almost 3 days now to find this picture of my great great grandfather Jack Helm, I think it is very disrespectful what you are doing. Please stop. Thank you. -Martha — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikipediaHelper123 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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In answer to your question: While the word "Tavernier" appears a number of times in the article, (although I did not count thirty-three), many of these refer to Jean-Baptiste. There is a link to "Tavernier Blue" in the "India" section, and a second in the "Smithsonian" section under the phrase "French Blue". There are also links to "walnut", "Associated Press", and "earth" but they do not appear to have as direct a connection with the stone in question. That is why "Tavernier Blue" was added to See Also. (In as much as you had earlier proposed merging the two articles, I am somewhat surprised you should take exception to its being listed in See Also.) Mannanan51 (talk) 00:38, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It was a rhetorical question, . You are correct, the 33 occurrences of the word, Tavernier, was the wrong search term. Tavernier Blue, however, is in the article seven times, and one or two of those are already links. Per the Manual of Style, a "see also" link at that point is to be avoided.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 03:10, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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Re your revert of my edit, befallen is not only correct, it is in fact what the NYT wrote, as per the PDF of the original article on their website:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9505E0DE1E3EE033A2575AC0A9649C946096D6CF

I am therefore restoring befallen. Cheers, Awien (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That's fine. It would be helpful if such information were to be included in the edit summary. Thanks for the update.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 02:24, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It would also have been helpful if the reference had been checked before the edit was reverted. Awien (talk) 13:12, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I have limited time to verify changes to long-standing items, and certainly don't need the snark. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 15:31, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

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Thnak you for the barnstar and your generous comment – I am flattered, but if I deserve a barnstar, you deserve about a hundred for the hard work of maintaining WP:PM pretty much by yourself for several years.

I think it's got to the stage where things are under control: the current backlog has been cleared or is at least awaiting discussion and consensus, and new requests can be checked on a monthly basis as there aren't too many of them. I might have a look through the stale requests in the "All articles tagged for merging" section at the bottom of the page, and see if any of them have been revived or dealt with. Thanks again. Richard3120 (talk) 21:36, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. You deserve it.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 00:29, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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Hi there! A while ago you reviewed Saltes Island, a page I had machine-translated from ptwiki and left in a bad state for some time. After I and some other users have cleaned up the page I've removed most of your tags, but inline is one that always trips me up because it's not really clear what the tagger is asking for, or any standards as to how many inline tags is enough. I think the article is reasonably well referenced now and has inline refs exclusively, so I wonder if you'd take another look and clear the tag if you think the issue is resolved. Cheers. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:38, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I removed the tags. Good job on the cleanup.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 15:54, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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Please do not make changes to President of the United States articles without there first being a discussion and a consensus to do so. I understand what you're saying, and you may be some-what, even mostly correct here; however, changing numerous article titles and scores of article links without consulting others is disruptive. There needs to be a general "articles-for-renaming" discussion and notice of that discussion needs to be put on each involved article's talk page. Have I missed such a conversation? If so, please point me to it, and please put links to it on the various article talk pages. I read the note you left on my talk page, and hope this helps you to better understand why I reverted several of your moves earlier. Kind regards. Drdpw (talk) 21:42, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I was simply correcting grammar. I have never had to ask for such permission before, from you or anyone here.  It is simple copywriting.  What you are saying is patent nonsense, and it is hardly disruptive, as I left behind redirects. A discussion on each and every article as you suggest, would indeed be disruptive, and in such a case is totally over-kill, non-necessary, and time wasting. Such grammar changes happen everyday, it's no big deal.  Why would you change something that was obviously wrong, has been corrected, back to wrong?  I don't get it.   GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 21:53, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You are correct, you do not need to ask for permission, from me or anyone, before correcting grammar. However, when someone objects to an article name change, you, the one making the change, need to pause from making further article title changes to discuss the objection. I did some poking around, as I recalled seeing a discussion on one of the "List of PsOTUS by ..." talk pages several weeks back that touched upon the topic we're discussing, and found: Talk:Presidents of the United States and control of Congress. The move discussion covered several similarly titled pages, and a notice of the discussion was put on each potentially affected page about the discussion and inviting input. As multiple pages are potentially impacted here, I fail to see how opening a discussion on say the "Talk:List of Presidents of the United States" or "Talk:List of Presidents of the United States by Age" pages and stating on other talk pages something along the lines of:There is a move discussion in progress on which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. would be disruptive over-kill, even if the change is as obvious as you believe it to (and it in fact may) be. Drdpw (talk) 23:30, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I was simply going about my wp:wikignome wp:copyedit method and correcting obvious errors (as I have (had) some free time), which were based on a current run through the articles linked to John Quincy Adams, as I was CORRECTING content in that article at the time. I was not not aware of any other discussions regarding this issue.  I was simply correcting errors I noted in these linked articles.
 * I have limited time on Wikipedia the last year or so due to my work, and do not have time to ask permission to fix obvious grammar issues. To do so is not only illogical, but wasteful of my time. Please note: not every change has to be discussed around here. There is no discussion necessary in correcting grammar. (If this is erroneous thinking on my part, please add a link to the pertinent policy.)   I do not understand why you are making the change to a letter from capital, to non-capital, such an issue. Proper English is proper English.  Or do you have something that you think over-rides the Wikipedia Manual of Style and the Chicago Manual of Style.  If you do, please provide a link to such.
 * I understand that if you are not competent in English grammar, the common error you have embraced in the written language can possibly be difficult for regular non-English users. It's difficult for EFL users too. In which case, I would think you would admit that you are possibly not correct in this situation, and self-revert those changes. Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 00:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa, the error was mine; I'll make no further objections if/when you correct the capitalization in other articles where the plural "Presidents of the ..." is improperly used. Drdpw (talk) 02:14, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 20:50, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

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Reversion of Historical Rankings of the Presidents of the United States.
I recently made an edit to fix the main chart on the Historical Rankings of the Presidents of the United States page. Specifically, I noticed that, if the chart is organized by the last column, it would show what looked to me to be a mess, with numbers repeated and randomly skipped over, not even organized in a way it would be organized if the different entries were tied, so I have no clue how these numbers were reached. To make the data look like it was not a mess, I added up the information in the first fourteen columns and then divided it by the number of columns that row had data for (as not all rows had fourteen data points) to get the average number. Then I organized the numbers into ascending order and labeled the results one through forty-three respectively. With this, I made the final column of the chart reflect the information on the rest of the chart.

Not long after I had made this edit, I received a message saying that the edit had been reverted by you, stating that my edit appeared non-constructive and might have been vandalism. I apologize if I did something wrong, but as stated above my only intention in the edit was making it so the data on the chart did not look seemingly meaningless and instead reflected the actual data. If my edit was reverted because the purpose of my edit seemed meaningless and was reverted out of caution, I apologize for not making my intentions clear with my edit, and if possible, now that you know my intentions for the edit, can you undue the reversion so that the chart can be reflect the fixes I made? If it was not that, but I edited it in the wrong way or some other mistake like that, I apologize, but ask that, if not you, then someone take a look at the chart and consider making adjustments to the last column. If necessary, I still have the math I ran pulled up on my computer and I can send it to you if necessary.

Again, sorry if I did something wrong, and thank you for your time.

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 * I'll look at it again. I'm pretty sure those numbers are tied to the references, and as such are non-changeable, until new information is published somewhere.  Also, the columns in the chart are sortable, so re-organizing them into a descending order is just a click away (hit the arrow heads in the column titles).
 * Please remember, making changes to numbers without an edit summary/explanation will get reverted rather quickly here, and should probably be discussed first on the article's talk page. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 19:04, 16 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I've been looking at that table too, and I've also been confused about that final "Freq of Pos" column. (And no, that column is not taken directly from the references, but rather is computed from the ratings in the references to serve as something similar to an average.) For several years there was an "Aggregate" column there instead, using Copeland's method, which seems reasonable to me, but then on Nov 28, 2016 Sleyece (talk) (who has since been blocked for edit warring) changed it to this "Freq of Pos" thing, which seems pretty absurd to me: it just shows the ranking that was given to each President by more surveys than any other ranking--which is a very unstable computation. E.g., if someone's rankings were 4, 4, 6, 9, 11, 12, then the "Freq of Pos" would be 4, but if two if their rankings were reduced so the rankings were 3, 4, 6, 9, 11, 11, then the resulting "Freq of Pos" would be greatly increased from 4 to 11. Clearly not very useful as a summary value.


 * What 134.129.203.28 (talk) did looks like a good faith improvement to me: they changed it to simply rank the presidents in order of the averages of their ratings--pretty much the most obvious thing to do (although they neglected to also fix the column title to say "Average Rating" instead of "Freq of Pos".) I could see having a debate about whether this average rating is better or worse than the Copeland's method "Aggregate" that used to be there (and I suppose the correct intervention at this point would be to revert to those Copeland numbers rather than to the Average Rating numbers since they were what was there prior to the apparent vandalism by Seleyce), but in my opinion you were wrong to refer to the edits by 134.129.203.28 as "number trolling". Respectfully, Neow (talk) 08:31, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * The Copeland thing sounds better than the confusing mean ranking, as the latter is tending towards Synthesis.  was making a good faith edit, but failed to make any edit summary or explanation of what they were doing at the time.  It appeared to be just someone screwing around with numbers, which happens here all too often.  I do apologize for my comment regarding the number trolls.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 13:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree the Copeland thing sounds best. I don't understand how the mean ranking is confusing, though. How would that confuse you? By the way, it's clearly allowed for Wikipedia editors to compute averages: About_Valid_Routine_Calculations. Neow (talk) 01:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

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