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OrphanReferenceFixer: Help on reversion
Hi there! I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. Recently, you [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=932157504&diff=prev reverted] my fix to René Auberjonois.

If you did this because the references should be removed from the article, you have misunderstood the situation. Most likely, the article originally contained both  and one or more   referring to it. Someone then removed the  but left the , which results in a big red error in the article. I replaced one of the remaining  with a copy of the  ; I did not re-insert the reference to where it was deleted, I just replaced one of the remaining instances. What you need to do to fix it is to make sure you remove all instances of the named reference so as to not leave any big red error.

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 * And this is why the machines will one day rule, even when they are still wrong... GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 20:50, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

help on AfD on Brandon Rogers (YouTuber)
hi, can you help out on creating AfD discussion on this article Brandon Rogers (YouTuber). It is clearly not notable and has only two reliable sources, it is a messy article for readers, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.204.18.83 (talk) 00:13, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ GenQuest  "Talk to Me"

Articles for deletion/Newton Earp (2nd nomination)°
I'm not sure how you nominated Newton Earp for deletion but I believe you did not follow all of the steps in nominating it as the article never appeared on the list of AfDs for a particular date and as such was left open longer than it might have otherwise been without resolution. For reference here are the steps (I'm guessing some part of step III was not completed here). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 05:19, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 12:51, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Andrea Frome
Thanks for taking a thoughtful look at Andrea Frome. You left a primary sources tag. If you'd tell me what your main concerns are there, I'd make an attempt at meeting them. As far as I can see, the primary sources are mostly paired with secondary sources, and are there for additional depth. (For clarity, I'm considering [2], [4], and [9] in the article to be primary; and I suppose [10] has some primary aspects.) Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:35, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Trouted
You have been trouted for: YOUR REASON HERE Helen4780 (talk) 20:20, 3 January 2020 (UTC) I believe that you erroneously "Reverted good faith edits … Better re-read the reference given; per SYNTHESIS (TW)" in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ebers_Papyrus&type=revision&diff=933803712&oldid=933765897

Thanks, Helen4780 (talk) 20:20, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Austin, Texas
Hi GenQuest! there is a discussion concerning the size of the picture in the article and we have not made a consensus Talk:Austin,_Texas per your edit here ~ Regards ~mitch~ (talk) 19:24, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Missed that.  Not objecting to the decision, just the format of the change, spreading the template out over four or five paragraphs instead of compacting it properly.   GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 19:46, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

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 * I'm pleased to make your acquaintance. Camping is not allowed in city parks and the referenced article says that. I have quoted the article from the Austin American-Statesman instead of merely editing the sentence on the page, as I did before. That was a quick fix. I live in Austin and I will probably return to the article to improve it some more. Oh yeah, what does "re-org, rmv ws" mean? Wastrel Way (talk) 01:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC) Eric
 * Hey, good to meet you. Not sure what the local laws or ordinances might say, but as a practical matter, I have an employee that lives in one of the parks there, along with his dog, going on two years now.  Basically living out of his truck, and he uses a hammock to sleep in.  The police check on him regularly and have never rousted him.  The short-hand is for Re-org anize some article sub-sections; r e m o v e w hite s pace.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 01:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Glenn Pool Oil Reserve
Hello! Your submission of Glenn Pool Oil Reserve at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:45, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Wyatt Earp
Hi genQuest. Can you explain to me why you reverted my edit to Wyatt Earp: ? Your edit summary says "Per tense; abrev., style" which is obscure, especially as what you reverted back into the article was the text "(seriously 40k a year, who wrote this? 40k back then" which is inappropriate for any article - it was meta-commentary added by an IP that should at best be on the talk page and certainly not be in the article itself. Was this a mistake? If so, perhaps you could revert yourself? Thanks, The Mirror Cracked (talk) 14:59, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I am disappointed that you have chosen to ignore this request. I have reverted you in the article Wyatt Earp; please do not revert that back. I also noticed this edit of yours today, with the edit summary "Rmv external link in article body; deprecated". This is also a mistake, since the link to Google Books was within a reference, not as you claimed, within the article body. I have no idea what "deprecated" means in this instance. Perhaps you could be more careful with your editing and your edit summaries? The Mirror Cracked (talk) 05:25, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

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Proposed mergers
Hi, I've gone through the two-month backlog that had built up here and tidied it all up, starting discussions on the relevant talk pages and tagging most of the requests for awaiting consensus. However, I've left a couple of new requests, one because the relevant merger discussion has been taking place over three separate talk pages and it's a bit of a mess (although it seems to have come to a merge consensus), and the other because it's asking for a merge of an article with a draft of the same name – not sure that WP:PM is the place for that. I would appreciate you having a look at those two remaining requests if you get a chance, and dealing with them appropriately, as you know better than me how to go about it. Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 19:47, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I have been extremely busy in a RL project since mid-January, and it has greatly impacted my ability to contribute here much, so my apologies for letting that stuff build up and to such an extent without many meaningful edits. I will attempt to have a look at those this weekend if possible.  In the meantime, thanks for the back-up; it is much appreciated. Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 08:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No need to apologise, like everyone else on Wikipedia you have no obligation to do anything here, it's all voluntary. I myself have taken months off in the past because I was just too busy in real life, and real life took priority. I guess that's why I didn't deal with this for two months either! Obviously I'd be grateful if you could find the time to have a look at those two cases that are bothering me, but if you can't, don't worry. Thank you. Richard3120 (talk) 14:48, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

San Antonio Edit revision, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=San_Antonio&oldid=prev&diff=944107182
Hi GenQuest I believe you edited my Fix of the proper info on San Antonio?, San Antonio is in the Southern States USA but it is not the second largest city in the Southern States USA, The second Largest Southern State city is Atlanta, GA.  Atlanta Population 2019 – 4.22296 Million San Antonio, Texas - Basic Facts. The City of San Antonio is the 2nd largest city in Texas with a population of 1,465,079 as of July 1, 2019.

officially the City of San Antonio, is the seventh-most populous city in the United States, and the second-most populous city in both Texas and the Southern United States,

I will not revise your edit So if you do the fact check you can make the edit. Thanks SkyPhoenx6, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skyphoenix6 (talk • contribs) 09:42, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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Disagree with your close at Southern Victory
In terms of simple vote-counting, a 2-3 split is not a consensus. Whilst of course it is not a vote, good policy reasons have been cited as to why this merge should not go ahead either (i.e., the articles meet the notability criteria for books). This looks like no-consensus to me. FOARP (talk) 14:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, simple vote counting is a 4-2 split, as the proposer counts, too. (If I hadn't closed this, I probably would be reluctantly leaning on the "merge" side myself, per user 'SMcCandlishs statement).  Policy reasons which have been presented on both sides of the discussion are "good", including ALLPLOT and GNG, and should be weighed.  Your statement at the discussion point re: that this is a de facto'' deletion discussion does have some merit, but I will point out that these articles have been in this atrocious, plot-only, state for over a decade, and no one seems anxious to step up and fix even one of them.  Perhaps they would be better presented to AfD as opposed to Project Merge?
 * That said, I won't take it personally and would have no qualms with you reversing the closure – in the near term – provided some course of action going forward for these articles are arrived at, either blowing them up, actually performing a major editing overhaul, or merging, or whatever.
 * I am transcluding this correspondence to the article discussion area. Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 21:27, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

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Extremely sorry for interrupting you again, but i think you mistakely forgot to close the discussion in the talk page of Wang Shixian. Please do so, so that matter can have a successful end. Thankyou so much for your cooperation in previous requests. Once again, thanks. Zoglophie (talk) 15:06, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * this is ✅. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 15:35, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you !
Zoglophie (talk) 18:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * THanks. Glad I could help.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 22:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Mai Minokoshi for deletion
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 * Expected, as this was kind of an experiment. When I discovered the Most-wanted articles list, I picked one and created it; I should've looked first. Have to admit, I am at a loss to find additional references of note.   GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 15:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Austin, Texas
I'm pleased to make your acquaintance. Camping is not allowed in city parks and the referenced article says that. I have quoted the article instead of merely editing the sentence on the page. Wastrel Way (talk) 01:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC) Eric

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Removing AfD template from !!!!!!!
Hi! You'd removed AfD template from this article before the discussion was closed: discussion, your edit. In future, please close AfD and follow all the subsequent steps when implementing AfD result. Thank you! Juliette Han (talk) 09:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Your message appears to be in error, as I have removed no AfD templates. I respectfully request that you please provide a diff or strike your edit. Thank you. Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 14:24, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * See 'your edit' link from the first message. Didn't mean it in a reproaching way whatsoever, don't get me wrong. Juliette Han (talk) 14:35, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I see what you are referring to. That template was originally misplaced on to the article page, instead of the Talk Page where it belongs.  I didn't even notice it there.  My bad.   GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 14:43, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Trouted
You have been trouted 86.52.110.92 (talk) 09:52, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

You have reverted my edit of the BAT MASTERSON page. Please tell me what the problem is since everything I added is correct. I didn't delete anything. I only added to the previous. The page only stated two of his 6 siblings (two sisters and four brothers), and all I did was adding the remaining four (two sisters and two brothers).

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Decisive
I'm not saying that Vicksburg wasn't a decisive Union victory, rather that per the WP:GUIDELINE at WP:MILMOS it is not an allowed value for the result parameter: In particular, terms like "Pyrrhic victory" or "decisive victory" are inappropriate for outcomes. The template docs define two standard terms: "X victory" or "Inconclusive" and admonish Do not introduce non-standard terms like "decisive", "marginal" or "tactical", or contradictory statements like "decisive tactical victory but strategic defeat". Mojoworker (talk) 19:02, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I am looking into this with my currently very limited WP time. I understand that has been an ongoing discussion practically since I've been on here (starting 2008), but wasn't aware that a consensus had ever developed regarding it.  Can you point me to that discussion?  I've been searching for it and it is being elusive.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 14:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Near as I can tell, the discussion occurred at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Military history a couple of years ago. Mojoworker (talk) 19:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Just a question, is that debate definitively settled as one opposed to "decisive"? It doesn't seem to be. (No rage, I just have a doubt:)) HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 12:03, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Given that the guideline was changed as a result of that discussion, is quite explicit in its definition of allowed values, and hasn't been contested since, I would say yes. But don't take that discussion as the only factor that led to the current directive at WP:MILMOS. As I say, the guidance is explicit: "In particular, terms like "Pyrrhic victory" or "decisive victory" are inappropriate for outcomes." The more so when coupled with the actual template documentation. But as I've said before, if you're unsure, ask at MOS:MIL and find out for certain. We shouldn't be clogging up GenQuest's talkpage. If you'd rather I do it, let me know. Mojoworker (talk) 23:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * My talk page is fine to clutter for now   I actually looked at that discussion, and kept on looking, trying to find a discussion where actual consensus was established for that change.  I'm still not seeing it and believe a wider discussion is in order, especially in the cases where numerous references use the same description as an outcome. Then it's not using SYNTHESIS or being non-Neutral.
 * This particular discussion is in reference to the Siege of Vicksburg, but there is a definite need for additional input (perhaps through MfD?) regarding additional / other MilHist articles. ~  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 09:26, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Was there "actual consensus was established for that change" at the "Guidance on results" discussion? It doesn't matter. A change was made over two years ago as a result of the discussion, and has stood ever since. It is now presumed to have consensus. See WP:CONSENSUS. And as I said before, don't take that discussion as the only factor that led to the current directive at WP:MILMOS – that was only one piece of it. No one is accusing you of using SYNTHESIS or being non-Neutral, only that using the term "decisive X victory" in the "result" parameter of the infobox is contrary to the WP:GUIDELINE. And, since the guideline is at MOS:MIL, the talk page there would be the appropriate place to open a discussion if you have questions about interpreting it and would like clarification (or would like to change the wording). I'd guess you can also ask for clarification at WP:MILHIST (but that's not the place for discussing changes to the wording). But as for discussion here on your talk page, we can talk here all we want, but it won't change anything. Per WP:CONLIMITED: "Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale."  Mojoworker (talk) 18:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Presuming consensus? I do not see that in WP:CONSENSUS. A consensus has to be a real one. (Note that the discussion at MOS:MIL went on long after the change to the guideline.) So we're not overriding any consensus, because there is none - the same point I made at Talk:Battle of Gaugamela. As GenQuest said, when it is valid to use terminology like "decisive" (e.g. Gaugamela and Vicksburg), there's nothing in the way of using it. Also, per WP:5P5, we must understand how a guideline is to be applied. (I do not think I was very clear with that on the discussion at Gaugamela.) Cheers, HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 10:17, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Then you should read WP:CONSENSUS again. An RfC is not the only way to achieve consensus. I'm saying the change was made the way consensus is often achieved, through discussion. That edit was made during the discussion – do you think the other participants just missed it and would've reverted if only they had seen it? But even if that were the case, consensus can also be achieved through editing, and yes, an edit unchallenged for that long a time is presumed to be the current consensus. Do you think you could just go and revert User:Cinderella157's edit now after more than two years without anyone objecting? In any case, I've opened a discussion at WT:MILMOS. Discuss there if you want. Mojoworker (talk) 19:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi all, the changes to deprecate the usage of "decisive" in the infobox were a consequence of discussions at WT:MILHIST and with notifications there and were consequently subject to extensive scrutiny. So, while not a formally closed RfC they do represent a strong (IMO) consensus. The changes at WP:MILMOS were mainly to give some weight to the guidance at the template since some argued that it carried no weight and could be ignored - even though it had gone through a similar process. I will give some more detail at WT:MILMOS. Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 01:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata short descriptions
Seem to be often inadequate or worse. The lead for the Groveland Four says "wrongfully accused", but the Wikidata description didn't say wrongfully. I've added that as I think it's important. Doug Weller talk 13:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That's fine also, although I think 'accused' is pretty neutral as the word does not indicate guilt in and of itself. Regards, GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 20:25, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Louis Hector
Hi, I saw that you added more examples of episodes based on Sherlock Holmes stories to Louis Hector's radio performances after I added those episodes to the pages for those stories. I just wanted to let you know that you can ask anytime if you'd like me to add Sherlock Holmes episodes, dates, etc. to Louis Hector's page. I'm happy to add things for editors who don't have access to the reference materials that I have. If not then feel free to ignore this message. Miles26 (talk) 06:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, that would be great.  It's fantastic that you have access to refs on these old time plays and players.  The dearth of information from that time period on Wikipedia is troubling.  Thanks for your work, and have at it.  Thanks for the offer.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 11:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Great. I don't really have many refs for actors in that time period, but I do have books about Sherlock Holmes adaptations specifically since that is one of my areas of interest. I'm not sure how many of the episodes you wanted added to Louis Hector's page, so I simply added the rest of the episodes that were directly based on Doyle's SH stories. Please feel free to trim or change my edit, and let me know if you want me to add or check something. Thanks also for your work. Miles26 (talk) 10:20, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

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Benjamin Merrill and Hopewell
This edit added Benjamin Merrill to the article for Hopewell, New Jersey, which was not established as an independent municipality until 1891, more than a century after he died. Merrill could be from Hopewell Township, Mercer County, New Jersey or from Hopewell Township, Cumberland County, New Jersey, both of which existed at the time Merrill was born. It could also be other Hopewells in New Jersey, but it seems not to be Hopewell, New Jersey, which is the link used in his article. Do you have any sources to narrow down the Hopewell in question here? Alansohn (talk) 03:51, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, . That's my bad.  It should point to one of the townships, not the town.. Feel free to remove that one, or I will.  I'll have to dig a bit deeper on him, as his bio (written early 20th century) only says he was from Hopewell, and nothing more specific.  Thanks for the heads-up.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 13:53, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * My guess is that it's Hopewell Township in Mercer County, but I haven't been able to pin that down. I will continue to research as I learn more about the War of the Regulation. Thanks again for looking into this. Alansohn (talk) 14:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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Richard Belzer reversion
Wondering why the contribution to the Richard Belzer page on July 17,2020 was reverted as the contribution adds to how, in part, Richard contributed to film. Dana Kilalps (talk) 10:15, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, .  That addition would be considered trivia unless sourced reliably.  Please see RELIABLE.  The on-line wikis, forums, and user-contributed sites are not considered reliable sources for our purposes, including IMDb, Find a Grave, YouTube, [Geneology.com], etc.  They may be OK as an external link in most cases, but can not usually be used as a content-confirming reference.  I think I put some links on your talk page for you to get started.  See MoS for starters and let me know if you have any more questions.  Perhaps if RB said something regarding that in an interview somewhere, you could locate that.  Not sure if IMDb requires source attribution, but that would be one place to start if they have those listed, otherwise, Google is your friend.  Thanks for your work and happy editing.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 11:17, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion at Demchok?
Hi! In your close at Talk:Demchok, you wrote So by this, do you mean to create an article at Demchok, Ladakh specifically about the Indian-administered half and include links in a brief overview on each half from Demchok? — MarkH21talk 05:02, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. I would say to treat the historic town in one article (Demchok), and the now split town with articles for each division (Demchok, Ladakh; Dêmqog, Ngari Prefecture) each treated as any other separate entity would be.  They would each have almost the same history up to a point, and the historic town article would be a "See Also" tag in the history section of both, thus:    placed under the "History" sub-header, with each having its own unique history following the divergent point explained.  (Also, if there is any initial period of overlap or national-alignment confusion, it should mainly be explained only in the Demchok article if possible.)


 * It's pretty clear the place was one settlement divided by a river in the past, and perhaps will be again in the future. I think the Berlin situation is the closest model for these articles, even though they are comparatively very small.  I think that is the best solution for the settlement(s) at present, and the least controversial.  I take it from your interest that you may be willing to tackle the task.  If so, let me know if you have any questions throughout the process.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 05:31, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I think that's a reasonable solution to the problem that initially led me to proposing the merger. I can get started on it and let you know if anything else comes up. — MarkH21talk 05:54, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've mostly finished the division of articles if you want to take a look. I'll start to look for Chinese sources on the modern Dêmqog, Ngari Prefecture part. — MarkH21talk 07:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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Mohun Bagan
I mean the close was by a new editor with a handful of edits, quite possibly a meat or even sock puppet, entirely inappropriate for a discussion of that nature. GiantSnowman 08:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 10:12, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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Merge Note
Per this copypatrol report, I reverted your merge to APICS, as the merged material was likely a copyright violation. Not that you're in trouble, since the website (s?) it was copied from have been long dead. Moneytrees🏝️Talk🌴Help out at CCI! 22:54, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey! Since that merge was a result of an AfD discussion, the merge should probably not be reverted.  I would suggest that we should just remove the copywrited material from the completed article.  Thoughts?  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 01:38, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Definitely an annoying situation... I reworded and reinserted some text I removed. Moneytrees🏝️Talk🌴Help out at CCI! 03:05, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That helped.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 18:37, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Request for the pending merger discussed earlier
Hello GenQuest, I had brought your notice earlier to this discussion, which you accepted but it has been delayed now, I am sure you might be busy with other projects. It's well discussed with the consensus of merger and today the final nail in the coffin was put by the club itself and all confusion now gone, as declared the foundation day as 15 August i,e. estd on 15 August 1889, i,e. 131 years not june 2020. After consensus and the it's latest official tweet of its foundation day, discussion can be now closed, was open for discussion for almost a month. So, it would be healthy for the Mohun Bagan A.C. if as soon as merger is completed, as I can start working on the article to imrpove it's history section as discussed during the merger discussion. Thank you. Drat8sub (talk) 15:49, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 03:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

ATK Mohun Bagan
Hi, I am little confused by your reason for closing the merge proposal at Mohun Bagan. The last post from User:ArnabSaha was almost trying to say that ATK Mohun Bagan seems to be a continuation of ATK and not Mohun Bagan. No response to this was given but then the discussion was closed. Now ATK Mohun Bagan has been redirected to Mohun Bagan. That makes no sense to me as again, there doesn't seem to be a proper consensus. I understand that discussion was getting crazy but to me, there is clearly no concrete and clear consensus yet. So just trying to understand the reasoning here so we can figure things out. Thanks! --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 18:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey, . I closed the discussion becuase Mohun Bagan is reported as the successor, re-branded club in existence since 1889.  I think, after nearly two months of this discussion, the club itself has made the decision to close this debate easy by their announcement and claim of ownership of the legacy entity (see above).  I think it's past the time to stop kicking the dog on this one, don't you? ;-)  Additional clarity through local editing should now suffice following the merger, which appears to have already ocurred. Sincerely,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 16:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey! Thanks for answering. I remember seeing that but I don't think that post suffices. Mohun Bagan is an athletic club which houses multiple athletic teams in different sports. The club was separate and owned by Mohun Bagan Football Club Limited, which was bought out by ATK owners RPSG Group. In all honesty, I felt that discussion should have ended with no consensus but I can work with this for now until there is more concrete information that comes out. It will just be hard to work with until then. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 17:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with AF700. I got to know that due to "15 August" wish, the final decision of the page merge was taken. ATKMB just wished, and obviously they will wish since it has 19.8% MB shares. But, this can't the deciding factor. Many clubs wish other clubs on their birthdays and all. (example- BFC wished EB on centenary). A complete merge means ATKMB = MB, while it is wrong. If there are something "for" MB, there are facts & figures "against" it too. Each day new things are coming up, which contradicts others.  ❯❯❯  S A H A   06:40, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

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Merging barnstar
Hey,. Thanks for noticing. I'm glad I got a little time-off from RL responsibilities to knock some of these out. Regards, GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 16:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Seconded. I meant to do the Thomas one but I somehow didn't find the time, even though I'm self-isolating at the moment! YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 19:47, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think I was dreaming of Thomas and Friends last night after doing that one. I'm not going anywhere near the Iron Man's armor one, so, feel free ... someone with a lot of spare time [hint] could even make a career out of that one, I think.  Anyway, thanks a bunch!   GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 00:43, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Question about Krakatoa / SpongeBob source
I saw you reverted in Krakatoa. I found a better source: a video on the SpongeBob official channel on YouTube. At 6min30s we see the Krakatoa mention. Would that be a good source? If so, I'll edit the article with it. Thanks! Mateussf (talk) 18:18, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello,  The Popular culture section is for indicating items which deal in a more detailed way with the article subject(s).  So, you see, the source wasn't the problem with your edit.  The problem is that the "In popular culture" sections of articles are often (and understandably) mistaken by new editors as a place to put trivia or trivial mentions of the article subjects. And it becomes a constant battle to remove these type of entries Wikipedia-wide.  If the subject of the article is simply mentioned a few time somewhere (TV show, magazine, pamphlet, etc.), that is what is referred to as a "trivial mention" and is not considered encyclopedic.  An example of one that may work, for example, would be if someone produced a documentary-style, or educational, or full-length cartoon about Krakatoa with Spongebob as narrator.  That could quite possibly pass the notoriety bar for a listing in a Popular culture section of an article.


 * Likewise, other items put in these sections are often of a passing nature or just non-notable factoids (in other words, trivia) that will be shortly forgotten or are really unimportant to the subject. Additionally, just so you know, YouTube videos generally aren't considered usable as sources in the body of an article.


 * I will put some links on your Talk Page so you can read and familiarize yourself what is in our Manual of Style, and which you can refer to as you grow as an editor. I still refer to it almost weeky, even after editing here for over a decade.  Thanks for your work here so far, and please don't get discouraged.  If you need additional advice, or have other questions, feel free to contact me anytime. Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 03:39, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that explanation about the popular culture section. It makes sense. Mateussf (talk) 16:42, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Mohun Bagan: Part 2 Electric Boogaloo
Hi! First, really wanted to use this subject title. Secondly, in the vain of working on the Mohun Bagan article with the idea that ATK Mohun Bagan is a continuation of Mohun Bagan the football club, I put in a request to move the article Mohun Bagan to ATK Mohun Bagan FC since that is the new name of the side. I made the tag for a RM and even added it to WikiProject Football. However, since then, it seems like the only editors willing to comment are Mohun Bagan fans and there isn't much from non-fans beyond 1-2 users. I just want to know if there is anything I can do to encourage more participation from users who would be non-biased. I don't want to come across as "support this!!!!" but more "hey, here is a discussion, read the comments, come up with your own conclusion and say it". I know I almost got in trouble last time during an AfD discussion for asking for more participation on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football so wondering if there is anything I can do to encourage more participation that won't get me in trouble. Thanks! --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 18:43, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, Arsenal; You should make a notice with a link to your RM at the talk pages of any Project that has "of interest" notices on the top of the talk pages of Mohun Bagan A.C, ATK Mohun Bagan , and any other affected article(s) involved with your plan.  It is important that general and non-POV notices be made –with just the express purpose of driving interested editors to the discussion.  That should be acceptable.
 * P.S.: Be sure your wording of the RM is neutral too, so it doesn't get removed. Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 04:12, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'll try this when I have a chance. Been off for awhile. Just came back though and noticed that the discussion has basically become what it was before. Literally, some users who are brand new accounts or who only edit these discussions coming in to oppose. This is why I feel we need more from other obviously non-biased users. This is starting to become annoying. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 18:56, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Please close request permanently, this kid tries to create clubs himself and repeats only! Its done and enough — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.11.176 (talk) 16:47, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

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Dir en Grey mergers
Hello and thank you for help with merger for Shinya (musician). Most other members of this band except Kyo are only famous for the band and while not like the Shinya page, have long list of equipment sourced only to ESP advertisement. Is this encyclopedic? I think maybe all except Kyo are better merged with main band page. What do you think?Ficadimerda (talk) 08:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Advertisement pages are not generally usable as sources for citation. You can tag those other articles with merge requests and see what others think, (or just be BOLD and make the mergers—but those may reverted if there hasn't been consensus to merge). I suggest you follow the pattern used for Shinya and see what develops.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 08:44, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you yes I think so too. I will try it!Ficadimerda (talk) 09:00, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Need help on Article - Melissa B.
Hi GenQuest - I am looking to see if you can help me in the Melissa B. Article. I have been working very hard at finding articles on her and getting the right sources in order to give this artist's article justice. Would you mind joining me in this little article and see what else we need to make this get the approval it needs. I see you have been working on Spencer Battiest Article. That's why I wanted to ask. I am new this this and I am getting a joy in doing the research. I look forward to working with you. Itgemgirl1 (talk) 16:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi,, I will take a look at it and see what I can fix up. I'm not really experienced on editing the music articles, but will see what can be done copy edit and content-wise.  Also, I notice a tag pointing to a wp:COI concern with the article.  If you are indeed closely connected to the article subject, it's best for you to no longer edit that particular article and let the process play out however it goes.  I think the subject of the article, Melissa B., can possibly pass notability, but finding encyclopedic sourcing seems to be the current issue.  I'll see what can be done.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 16:57, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, I wanted to thank you helping on moving the edits as we did. I will work on some other edits to get things going. I appreciate your help and guidance. Sincerely - Itgemgirl1 (talk) 03:08, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey! No problem.  Glad I could help.  I'll periodically keep looking for additional RSs to add to the article.  I think it's pretty close to passing muster.  Unfortunately, right now, work is picking up so my time is getting squeezed again, but, I'll do what I can.  Have fun editing in the meantime.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 03:19, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

September 2020
Please do not add or change content, as you did at American Idol, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. She is also a completely unimportant figure in American Idol history, please don't add her name there Hzh (talk) 02:05, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, folks, the crazies are now running the asylum. See AGF and Don't template the regulars, especially those working to help out a new editor.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 02:29, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are familiar with editing, then you should know not to add names of unimportant people in the show history to the main article. Thousands of contestants have passed through American Idol, the article will be unreadable if everyone start adding trivial names to it. Hzh (talk) 02:35, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, not familiar with editing, as I only have 25K+ edits. That being said, the content addition had a two-fold reason, one: to illustrate that the the age limit being increased didn't just help those who placed/won; and two: to connect the show's article to another alumni who has now gotten an article here.  Oh well, it's all good.  Maybe you have an idea of another article that it should be connected too?  The reference contained her age, BTW.  Thanks either way.   GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 02:57, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

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Erm...
I am a little confused why you just welcomed me to Wikipedia... I have been a member for a little over 2 years (see my bio on my user page) and have been active as of late. Not to berate you, nor am I angry with you, but I am just a little confused... Is this a rewelcome or a misunderstanding?

Cheers. FlowerPetals 📪  22:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I was checking recent edits on my watchlist and reverted your removal of a standard red link, and then noticed your low edit count, so I assumed you were new to editing, hence the welcome screen.  Feel free to delete or archive.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 22:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Trouted
You have been trouted for: Welcoming a veteran to Wikipedia whom has been a member for 2 years :P FlowerPetals  📪  22:08, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah... probably desrved that... GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 22:16, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha, no hard feelings I hope. FlowerPetals  📪  22:21, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Pastia people
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Cherokee Towns
I have amassed quite the list of former Cherokee settlements and towns. If you want to dive into the absurdity that I am drowning in I would love to have another editor to share in my despair. There is always room in the corner for a few more. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:08, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure! GenQuest  "Talk to Me"

Table
What do you think about me creating a table in sandbox that will list all the known/suspected Cherokee settlements? It doesn't ever need to be moved to mainspace but would be a great list for us to reference when we need to. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 01:37, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, I've been working on one for several months now.  Trying to keep them all straight.  Not quite ready for publication tho. still referencing and adding stray towns.  See User:GenQuest/sandbox.  Your input there would be welcome.   GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 01:53, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I wish there was a way to get you my list of towns. I've combined/compiled a list taken from Mooney (both map and journals), Stuart, Hunter, Royce and Purcell to get 150+ settlements. A lot of them can't be verified, as far as location goes, as they are referenced by Mooney but that is it. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:55, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's a zillion of them. I wanted to get the most mentioned, easiest to find, and most notable out there and then see what the community can add from there, providing they are reliably sourced.  Your maps will help greatly with that.  Thank you for those!  I'll add the links to them to the EL section if it's alright with you.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 15:04, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Merge of NHS Nightingale Hospitals
Hi, as you do a fair bit on merges can you resolve, or give advice on, merge of NHS Nightingale Hospitals into COVID-19 hospitals in the United Kingdom. I see this as an ongoing WP:CFORK and the merge suggestion has been in place a little too long. I have placed an entry Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers, but this seems to be going nowhere. I would have loved to have done this this morning but am effectively blocked. As involved I can't really close the merge discussion either way. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:35, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Sridhar Vembu
Greetings. Thanks for the recent tag on Sridhar Vembu. Needed some targeted guidance from you to address the tags.

1. Re: copy-edits being requested for grammar, cohesion, or tone, please can you give me some more guidance on the edits that you'd want to see. Having been close to the article, that is not jumping at me, but, I am sure those edits will help.

2. Re: notability, will need some guidance again. Specifically, the sources that have been used in the references are independent publications, and my preliminary thinking is that a collection of sources meet the Significance, Independence and multitude tests for notability. But, will be curious to get your inputs.

Thanks much in advance. Ktin (talk) 22:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can certainly help. I am off to work right now and will be back later tonight.  I plan on doing the C/E myself (just no time right now).  You can learn from that — I noticed nothing huge, just some punctuation and syntax mis-steps.  The notability is a bigger hurdle; see wp:BLP.  Talk to you later.  Ciao for now,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 22:26, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Pastia people
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