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Lost Films- Tic Taw
Hi, I just wanted to dig a little more, but I thought maybe if I added a different link, it would be better? It's fine if it's not.23:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)23:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)23:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jambalaya Hut (talk • contribs)
 * Not unless you can show that the videos are notable, and since your article about them has so far been rejected multiple times for lack of evidence of notability, I'd say no, a different link won't help.  General Ization Talk  23:53, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14862370/?ref_=ttep_ep_tt23:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC)23:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC)23:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jambalaya Hut (talk • contribs)
 * Well, what about the IMDB article? it's not reliable, is it?
 * No, it isn't. See WP:IMDBREF.  Please sign your edits properly with four tildes, not just three.  General Ization  Talk  23:59, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, so that's all I could find. If I find any other sources for them, I'll let you know. Sorry for any inconvenience.03:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)03:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)03:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jambalaya Hut (talk • contribs)

On Surfside article
Symonowicz is of Polish origin but his citizenship is Lithuanian, what is mentioned in the article ("As well, there is no information on when did he come to the United States from Lithuania, the country of his citizenship". Per WP:RSBLOG, blogs may be acceptable sources if the writers are professionals. In this case, Voice of Generation is one of the most well-known and professional Substack blogs. Thank you. --90.138.58.126 (talk) 15:45, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:RSBLOG requires that the writer be identified in order to determine their professional status for the source to be considered reliable. The source of this story is only identified in its byline by the name of the blog.  Find a reliable source or omit.  So far, I can find no mention of Symonowicz outside of WP:SPS, and many of the claims concerning him are highly dubious.  General Ization  Talk  15:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

ANI
I started an ANI regarding a user you final warned a few days ago. I'd appreciate your input. Curbon7 (talk) 11:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Emergent Biosolutions Chikungunya vaccine development
Hello General Ization. You didn't give me a chance to finish my edit. I posted a couple of sentences, then had to check another reference and you asked me what's the relevance? Emergent is developing a chikungunya vaccine and a 2-year clinical trial showed good results. I put the two sentences in on the disease to give readers a link and a very brief intro to the problem. I'm pretty new here. Did I do something wrong? Bert Bowler (talk) 15:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Generally, you want to establish the relevance of new content at the same time you make an edit that introduces that content. No one here is a mind reader, and we don't know when -- or if -- you'll return to provide that context.  Next time, I'd wait until you have all the information together before adding the content.  General Ization  Talk  15:52, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Good suggestion. Should I try again?Bert Bowler (talk) 15:54, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * By all means. Also, I did check the NYT citation but found no mention of Emergent there; so an intro to the problem only heightened the need for clarification as to relevance.  General Ization Talk  15:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * General Ization. You are right. I used the NYT article for background on the disease only and establishing the serious problem it is becoming. I also followed the directions at the top of the "Edit Conflict" response page, re-edited and published changes only to have another "Edit Conflict" appear. Do not know what else to do and I have to sign off for now. I'll save my information and post it another day. Thanks for your interest and the clarity you provide to a new editor. Bert Bowler (talk) 16:12, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Edit conflict only means that you and I, and/or someone else, were trying to save (publish) changes to the article simultaneously (or more accurately that someone else has saved changes since you started editing it), and only one set of changes can be saved at a time. I am not editing the article, so you should be able to make and save your changes. Generally when I receive an EC notice, I copy my changes to the clipboard, cancel, and try again in a few minutes.  You don't need to sign off to clear the condition.  General Ization  <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 16:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a good reason to not keep the editing window open while you research other changes you may want to make. More than likely, someone else will come along and make a change in the meantime, increasing the likelihood that you will encounter an edit conflict. Either publish your changes in small batches, or wait to make your changes until you have the information ready. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 16:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, General Ization, appreciate the information. Working in Wikipedia can be complex; the more I experience the more competent (I hope) I get. Bert Bowler (talk) 13:42, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

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Surfside collapse
Just to say thanks for all your work on this article. Every time I come back to it you seem to have made about a dozen edits! Secretlondon (talk) 22:19, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Three letters: OCD. (Thanks!) <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 22:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Did you attempt to move the probable causes at the end (in vain), or do you wait for things to calm down? Kahlores (talk) 07:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I have left the Possible causes section demoted under Background, as it seemed to be working OK there for the time being, and was being frequently updated as new information emerged. Perhaps when and if updates to the section slow down we should reconsider its location. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 16:42, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

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National Institute of Agricultural Marketing
Hello !! Hope you are fine and safe.. Kindly write update of the page National Institute of Agricultural Marketing (NIAM) page in Wikipedia since whenever we try to edit its been erased. Last you have also deleted the whole content, I don't no how to update this and This is about a Government of India Institute under Ministry of Agriculture and Farmers welfare. So please update the page since you seem to be expertise on this and add all details offered in the institute like their PGDM Agribusiness management and et all. Boobruh007 (talk) 14:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * As has been previously explained, any updates to this page will need to be a) non-promotional in nature and b) sourced to published, independent, reliable sources (i.e., not brochures or media releases produced by NIAM). Unless you are affiliated with or employed by NIAM (so have a conflict of interest), you are perfectly capable of doing so if you are able and willing to comply with these policies. If not, the article will remain as it is until someone else, who is, is interested in updating it and does so. I am not particularly interested. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 14:44, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, if you are the same editor as, you should immediately stop using one or the other of these accounts, or at least make no edits to that article with this one. Please see WP:SOCK. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 14:47, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

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Robert Durst revision
Howdy General Ization. I understand that you were trying to remove an unsupported quote from the article. However, your execution seems odd to me. You revert to my edit has the summation "This quote is not supported by any of the cited sources." Yet I did not add the quote; I fixed a typo (specifically, a space between the end of a word and a comma). I would encourage you to be more precise with where you place reverts, not only to prevent confusion but also to help the editor of your target improve. If you take the time to revise the work of the actual editor, they will undoubtedly benefit from reading your summary/rationale and may become a better contributor for it. Thank you for your contributions and specifically your work to improve this article, and please have a lovely day/night! ifny (talk) 11:37, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you didn't notice that, which was the edit made by another editor just prior to yours. It's often a good idea to review the entire page history, including subsequent edits, prior to addressing another editor concerning a specific reversion. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 17:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your thoughtful and prompt response. I did indeed notice this. However, I don't think it is relevant to my questioning of the placement of your edit summary, which appeared on my teensy edit instead of the editor who might benefit. I'm not suggesting action, just that you may wish to take this into consideration in future. Again, thank you for your energy to improve the article, and for having this brief aside with me as well.ifny (talk) 05:53, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

KoGP
Thanks for the help with edit warring at KoGP. I didn't really know what to do next. I'm aware of ANI, and even used it once with good results, but this is the first I've heard of ANEW. GA-RT-22 (talk) 20:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

The stupid little edits weren't really what got him blocked. It was his removing other editors' comments from the article Talk page. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 21:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Thomas
Stop removing his date of death Dwhitt96 (talk) 03:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See above. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 03:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thomas
Stop removing Demaryious Thomas's death date. He died tonight. 2600:1017:B12E:2FAB:742B:B680:360:5D99 (talk) 03:45, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Unless you supply a reliable source for it, your claim is presumed to be a hoax and you are likely to be blocked from editing because of it quite soon. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 03:48, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Since it was not a hoax, it would be ironic if you got in trouble yourself.Gloern (talk) 04:42, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I can assure you, that's not going to happen - we should err on the side of caution with these things (Twitter is not known for rational and measured discussion...!) -- TNT (talk • she/they) 04:45, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Many things in life are ironic, Grasshopper, but this is not likely to be one of them. No one gets to declare someone dead here without citing a reliable source, and this editor cited none. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 04:45, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but you both were involved in an edit war with 3 changes against each other in a row, which regardless of who was right or wrong, is an offense that always carries a timeout of 48 hours.Gloern (talk) 04:51, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You'll find that the provisions of WP:EW3 do not apply to unsourced or poorly sourced biographical information about heretofore living persons, especially declarations of death. Feel free to take it up at WP:BLPN if you doubt me. But first see WP:BLPREMOVE and WP:NOT3RR. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 04:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no you are mostly wrong. First off your second link is a mistake, it is only a discussion on living people, not a page about policies.  But you are mistaken about the policy, what you should have done after the second since you clearly felt that you were in the right and it was unreliable sourcing was reporting it as it says in the 3RR page where the 7 exemptions are listed and the last one clearly says:

7) Removing contentious material that is libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced according to Wikipedia's biographies of living persons (BLP) policy. What counts as exempt under BLP can be controversial. Preferably you should choose reporting to the BLP noticeboard instead of relying on this exemption. But I doubt anyone will bother reporting you for 3RR, so you shouldn't have any issue, just be careful, you were technically on the wrong side.Gloern (talk) 05:07, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Friend, I know what it says. And I also know which "side" I'm on. Thanks for the advice. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 05:09, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not sure how you are able to respond do fast, and I don't think you do know since I literally QUOTED it and it does not agree with you, but there is no way to prove it to you, so I will bow out.Gloern (talk) 05:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I am able to respond so fast, and I am confident in my understanding of Wikipedia policies, because I have been doing this for 15 years and know a little bit about it. Thanks for letting it go. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 05:13, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Why is stating that Emma Portner uses they/them and she/her as pronouns considered to be poorly sourced when the source is literally Emma's own Instagram profile?
As stated in the question, I would like to know in simplest terms why it's considered poorly sourced? I would just like it if you can help me understand your reasoning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:A212:3B00:2562:CA2:F578:B36C (talk) 05:49, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Very simply: because I missed the notation "they/she" on the page. Feel free to repeat the edit. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 05:57, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2021
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What
I literally just added the sources now wtf, please be patient. She posted a YouTube video that she is now married on her wedding day, did you even check?!! Ashleygoldxo (talk) 01:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See WP:BURDEN. It is your responsibility, not mine or any other editor's, to find and cite sources to support the content you add. If you do not, and it is contentious information about a living person (such as marriage or death), it is our responsibility to remove it. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 01:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

regarding youth orchestra list edits
In response to "Also, you were adding the organizations to a list article. That is a separate issue from determining whether or not an organization is notable and deserving of an article. General Ization Talk 03:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)"

The editor who deleted my entry (and numerous others that are properly cited) did so because they do not have articles, which is not a valid reason to delete an addition to a list; especially when the page specifies that links are the only thing necessary. That is why the edit cites WP:NEXIST. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jediwashington (talk • contribs) 03:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I assure you that the editor who reverted your edits is much more familiar with Wikipedia policies and practices than you currently are. WP:NEXIST pertains to the evaluation of notability, not to the addition of entries in list articles. Their reversions were correct. See WP:WTAF and WP:BURDEN. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 03:30, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Even if consensus on that list were to include entries without articles (which has not been the case for many years) you were adding completely unsourced entries. Meters (talk) 03:31, 15 December 2021 (UTC)