User talk:Genesis7v

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Dawn Dumont
I saw you recently started working on an article on Dawn Dumont.

I started an article on Ms Dumont, in 2009. Something happened with that article that I never experienced, before, or since. Ms Dumont came across the article. She didn't like the freely re-usable image we have of her. She changed the article. I don't remember how much she changed the article. But I do remember she grew angry when she removed the freely re-usable image, and replaced it with some new images she preferred - and then did not release the new images under a free license.

Her preferred images were deleted, since they weren't properly licensed.

She then sought advice as to how to get the whole article deleted.

In my opinion, back then, I thought Ms Dumont was notable enough for a standalone article. But I thought she was, in 2009, near the cusp. Our general convention is that notable individuals don't get to say whether they are covered by a wikipedia article -- except that if the notable individual was near the cusp, we might take that into account, and grant them a courtesy deletion.

I considered helping guide her through the process of requesting a courtesy deletion. But, I realized, since no one else had really altered the basic editorial content of my initial drafts, I could request speedy deletion under WP:CSD. And that is what I did.

I corresponded with the flickr contributor who took that picture. I gathered that he was at least a friendly acquaintance of Ms Dumont. I asked him to tell her that I had moved the article into userspace, and I would keep it there, for six months, in case she changed her mind.

Anyhow, you can request userification of the deleted revisions. I found some references from her time in NYC, that you didn't find, and you would, of course, be free to re-use those references. You would, of course, be allowed to include anything from the earlier versions.

If you request userification, can you let me know? I'd be interested in comparing versions too.

FWIW, she is probably more notable now than she was in 2009. If so, she would no longer be on the cusp.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 16:50, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I made my own WP:REFUND request. Look for my version at User:Geo Swan/userified/Dawn Dumont.


 * We'll have to see how reliable my memory is. My recollection is that Ms Dumont earned a law degree.  My recollection is that there was an association with a Soap Opera, during her NYC days.


 * That I mention references you didn't find does not mean your web searches fell short. References available in 2009 may have expired by 2020.  As Google's algorithms "improve" it excludes listing some older hits from the results it shows, when its underlying AI guesses they won't be of interest to casual readers.  Its results are tailored for casual readers, not people doing serious research, like us wikipedia volunteers.


 * Good luck on your oral presentation! Geo Swan (talk) 17:22, 29 November 2020 (UTC)