User talk:Genesis Communications Network

August 2011
Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia because it appears to be mainly intended or used for publicity and/or promotional purposes. Please read the following carefully.

Why can't I edit Wikipedia?

Your account's edits and/or username indicate that it is being used on behalf of a company, group, celebrity or other well-known individual, or organization for purposes of promotion and/or publicity. The edits may have violated one or more of our rules on spamming, which include: adding inappropriate external links, posting advertisements, and using Wikipedia for promotion. Wikipedia has many articles on companies, groups, and organizations, but such groups are generally discouraged from using Wikipedia to write about themselves. In addition, usernames like yours are disallowed under our username policy.

Probably not. See WP:FAQ/Organizations for a helpful list of frequently asked questions by people in your position. Also, review the conflict of interest guidance to see the kinds of limitations you would have to obey if you did want to continue editing about your company, group, or organization. If this does not fit in with your goals, then you will not be allowed to edit again. Consider using one of the many websites that allow this instead.
 * Am I allowed to make these edits if I change my username?

You are still welcome to write about something other than your company or organization. If you do intend to make useful contributions on some other topic, you must convince a Wikipedia administrator that you mean it. To that end, please do the following:
 * What can I do now?


 * Add the text on your user talk page.
 * Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with a new username you are willing to use. See Special:Listusers to search for available usernames. Your new username will need to meet our username policy.
 * Replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason to be unblocked. In this reason, you must:
 * Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the edits for which you were blocked.
 * Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.

If you believe this block was made in error, please see how to appeal a block. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 19:57, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Delete my account
This site is incredibly confusing. I created an account, confirmed it by email and at the direction of my boss, Mr. Jason Lewis, made edits to his wikipedia entry regarding his network change and added an image of him where none exsisted before. Also removed the inaccurate information about the number of affiliate stations his talk show is on. I cited a news source for the change in his network. I did this in good faith and not in any way to cause anyone harm. What do I do, I can't seem to understand how to appeal this? It took me over three days to figure out how to even make the necessary changes to keep Mr. Lewis' wiki page accurate. I am sorry. I didn't mean any harm. I do not want to lose my job over this. Please delete this account but someone should know that the changes were made to keep the information up to date and accurate. My apologies to Ioeth for disturbing him on his email. I am really trying to figure this out. Can we please just delete the account- Genesis Communications Network?
 * Unfortunately, we cannot delete accounts for technical and legal (licensing) reasons. However, you are free to request a rename (which you've done above using unblock-un) and abandon the account so as not to disgrace your company. Alternatively, should you seek to continue editing, I would read (and show to Mr. Lewis) WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, which is written to help clarify Wikipedia's policies for users in your regrettable position. — Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 20:53, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I seriously need some help
I just got a "talking to" for not making the necessary changes as directed. So please who, can I work with to make these changes? This is way too hard to figure out. Your site has very out of date and inaccurate information about a public figure. So what does one do to get this resolved. Who do I need to contact? For the love of god, please tell me you have some where for the representation for public figures to get misinformation on your site changed. Please guide me and if at all possible can I have a normal email exchange with someone? Please! I am begging most sincerely.
 * We do; it's called our open ticket response system. See also Contact us/Article problem. And tell your bosses that the situation is, more or less, beyond your control and show them the link I provided above WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. — Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 21:07, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I have done as you suggested. Thank you. Can they do something to make this easier for Public Figures? Sometimes there is seriously sensitive subject matter. Not to mention I did not think that wiki allowed erroneous information to be posted for the public.
 * We don't. However, we don't have eyes on everything that's on Wikipedia, and that is a problem we're well aware of. The present situation is the best we can do with the low amounts of manpower we have compared to the number of articles. — Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 21:26, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I can appreciate that. Maybe someday your organization can find a way to minimize this and make it easier for the PR representatives of public figures to send you corrections to erroneous information. It is a very useful site. I appreciate your help. I just hope I can get this resolved.
 * PR reps can correct the material themselves provided they comply with all the policies, especially WP:Neutral point of view (which, as a Foundation directive, is non-negotiable). However, they're strongly discouraged from doing so since most editors working on behalf of their employers have a hard time seeing their own biases going into their work. — Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 21:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

And I did and it was removed and the account banned. The information was completely nuetral, Mr. Lewis left the Premiere Network on August 5th, joined the Genesis Communications Network on August 8th, of this year, he does not have 63 affiliate radio stations, he is no longer on the KTLK radio station, and the image submitted is a headshot of him, that we are in ownership of. None of this is biased information. It is just fact. These facts are nuetral. Thus not understanding why the edits were removed. Can you see where I am having a problem? We did not do anything intentionally to violate any of the foundation's directives, nor did we submit anything that was not fact based. We even provided a cite to a reputable news organization in the industry, Radio Ink, as proof of the change in networks and date of said change. We have no desire to violate your directives, we simply do not wish to provide erroneous information to the public. I would think Wikipedia would not wish to have erroneous information on it's site. You have been most helpful. Even more helpful would be to at the very least have someone put the image we uploaded back to his page and hopefully someday, somebody can submit the correct information. My employers are aware of this situation, although frustrated and confused by it, they are understanding now, that I made a good faith effort to do as instructed.
 * Is the image freely-licensed? We cannot accept nonfree images of living people. (Also, you should be able to edit once more with this account provided you get a name change and try to steer clear of the areas where you would be perceived to have a conflict-of-interest. Our username policy forbids account names that give the impression of belonging to more than one person or a company.) — Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 00:44, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I did the request for the name change and that has not happened yet. My account is still blocked. My company owns the image and I checked the boxes to give that permission to WP to release the image when I uploaded it. But apparently it was removed anyway. And if I did get to make one more edit and put the image back, you would just take it down again because you would perceive me as having a conflict of interest as the PR Rep for Mr. Lewis. This is so "damned if I do, damned if I don't" And what you are saying is just confusing me even more. I don't trust WP as a source of information and now question all the information I have ever gotten from WP. This has been an eye opening experience. Directives are well and good but not when they are so rigid as to not see fact as fact and to trust John Q. Public to give you information more than the persons who represent a client. Does WP not recognize the fault in this?

Also wouldn't it be dishonest of me to sign up for an account as just a Jane Doe and make the same edits. That somehow strikes me as wrong and dishonest. But in essence that is what I feel I am being directed to do?
 * You do have a conflict of interest as Mr. Lewis' public relations rep. We do trust the people involved with an article to help us correct information, however time and again said people are unable to write neutrally and unable to recognize they cannot. That is why we have the OTRS - to allow for a more streamlined and far less confrontational means for a public figure or his PR reps to correct factual mistakes in an article.
 * I will admit, this situation's pissing me off, largely because of the boneheadedness of your bosses compounded by the blinders the admins seem to be wearing. I do honestly believe that you got screwed pretty hard here, first by your know-nothing bosses and then by JamesBWatson. In most circumstances, the interests (information-wise) of a public figure and Wikipedia dovetail, but the problem is the former doesn't do even the barest modicum of research into Wikipedia policies to guide their decisions, let alone try to use OTRS to get the information corrected, whilst the latter fails to assume good faith on behalf of the hapless employee forced to do this and calls out for a block for a conflict of interest instead of helping the user. This culture of ignorance on behalf of the corporate world and blind following on behalf of Wikipedians needs to stop. And it needs to stop soon. — Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 20:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I tried the OTRS and have yet to ever get a response. I also again tried to submit to the OTRS and still no response at all. So either something there is broken or I am being ignored. (note that it only took a few minutes to get blocked.) So I did what I could to research how to do the changes myself and thought I had done what was required, (3 days of research went into this before I set up the account) but somehow in my research I failed and that is where I went wrong and what got me into trouble. When I signed up for the account there was nothing on the screen warning me not to use a company name to sign up, otherwise I would have used my own name. My boss is not being a bonehead but thought I had done something wrong to get it removed and have the account blocked and yes I did do something wrong it just was an honest mistake and not a real violation of trust. Now my name change has also been denied, and it is at a stalemate unless I decide to be dishonest and unethical by my standards and create a Jane Doe account and make the same changes again. To me this is where I am frustrated. And honestly have decided to not care. My boss knows that I made the attempt and it seems that WP is more interested in a directive that is unflexible than providing accurate facts to the public. Honestly this does not in any way make Mr Lewis look bad it just makes WP look incompetent when someone who is doing research finds erroneous information here. I guess in being blocked it felt like the information wasn't checked out first. It felt like I got slapped in the face, kicked out the door and except for you was ignored, as if I was just an annoying little ant. Instead of someone who was trying to offer valuable factual information for the betterment of WP. I apologize for all of this. Since my edits are not going to be made, and WP is not going to use the image given to it, I do not see why this account could not be deleted. If it is not deleted it really doesn't affect me, other than I do not want my email address to get spammed or used in a public way. I don't think I have cried at my job until now. Out of frustration and lack of help. I appreciate the time you have taken to talk to me about this. It is obviously a moot point now. If anyone in any sort of power here is reading any of this, or if you know how to contact anyone in power, I suggest, a clear and very searchable topic of "Public Figure PR Reps" if you need to update information about your client send info here and an email address to send stuff to. Simple, easy and clear cut. Some group or person at WP can verify the info, make sure it is nuetral and factual and make the edits to the page. I am sorry you are upset, I never intended to make you upset. I don't know you but you have been helpful. More helpful than most of the info I was able to find in the search. Thank you.
 * You are welcome. (Don't worry about your email; it's private information and isn't going to get spammed.) I am actually working on a page similar to what you are suggesting at User:Jéské Couriano/Corporations and the Community based on this entire situation. — Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 22:26, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Reply to OTRS and talk page questions
Hello, I read the OTRS ticket and this talk page. I made a preliminary edit to the article, and will help you sort out the situation related to the image and your user name.

Please see this page [Declaration_of_consent which explains the information needed to keep the image.

I will unblocked your account because I understand that you were not spamming but attempting to correct errors in your the article. Please do not make any more edits until I get the user name changed. You probably will have more questions. I will be happy to answer them here on your talk page, on the article talk page, or by my email (FloNight wikipedia email).

Thanks for your patience while we sorted out the situation. I hope that you will stick around and edit even though your start was less than ideal. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 20:24, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

FloNight- I appreciate your help. Although, we no longer wish to keep this account and have not been using it until I received this message. Both The Jason Lewis (Talk Host) and the The Jason Lewis Show page are full of errors, I have decided to leave it to the Wiki Powers That Be to do as they see fit to provide more up to date and factual information for their users. After the experience I have had with WP I no longer have a desire to care about what happens here any longer. As I said in the previous conversation, it does no harm to my client, if WP has inaccurate information, it only makes WP appear to be untrustworthy of the information it provides to the public. This is not at all a stab at you- FloNight -but honestly, being banned indefinitely and blocked and having the edits reverted without a single thought or investigation into the truth, well it was a slap in the face and I don't really think I want to go back. The name change was already denied for the reasons you can see above. So I am left with a sour taste for WP. Now if you care about WP and really want to make the edits to get the facts on WP for these pages correct- I applaud you for being the first here to show that any one cares, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. The remaining facts that are in error on the pages are- KTLK is NOT the home station of the Jason Lewis Show. KTLK does not exsist any longer. It is no longer on 100.3FM. KTLK's website is not the OFFICIAL BIO for Jason Lewis- Mr. Lewis' OFFICIAL Bio is on his own website The brown and red logo for the show on the Jason Lewis Show WP page is NOT his official logo and belongs to the now defunct KTLK. The affiliate listing of the Show should be removed. It is too hard to keep accurate as Radio changes quickly. A link to the Listen page of his website should be sufficient but no listing of affiliates by WP is probably the best option. I filled out the appropriate requirements before uploading the image. If that was not good enough for WP, then that is up to WP. Consent was given. I am not giving any more consent than was required before uploading it. I don't want to waste anymore time filling out more forms. Hopefully some day WP will figure out how to make this work more effectively and efficiently in the future. Maybe after WP figures out how to be helpful before they lash someone down. Genesis Communications Network (talk) 16:23, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll look over the article and clean it up as best that I can with the information that you provide. I apologize for the mis-communication regarding your good faith edits. If you change your mind and decide to edit later, then you can request the name change. Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance to you. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 22:10, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

You have provided more assistance than I could have asked for. Thank you for your help.

Requesting a name change

 * To request a name change fill out the form on the Change username page. A wikipedia volunteer will double check to make sure that no one else is using the name, then make the change. The new name needs to start with a capital letter. Let me know if you need any help. --FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 21:14, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

FloNight- I do not wish to have a name change or make another request. It was already decided and the answer was terse, and unhelpful. I have no reason to request it a second time. "This blocked user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Decline reason: The suername is only part of the issue. You have not indicated that you intend to edit other than in an area where you have a clear conflict of interest. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)"

I appreciate your attempts to be helpful but the admins have made their decisions clear. You might want to be careful so you don't get yourself blocked and banned by them too. I would not want to see that happen to you just because you are trying to help me. Thanks CD at Genesis Communications Network (talk) 16:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * FloNight is an admin, Genesis. — Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 21:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Genesis Communications Network, I unblocked your account yesterday. Rest assured that I'll not get blocked or banned for assisting you. If you want to edit then you will need to request an user name change on the page that I linked to above. If you do not want to edit, that is okay, too. But you are welcome to stay around and edit any article as long as you make a good faith effort to follow policy. Take care, FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 22:00, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

The only thing I wanted to do was my job and to make edits to correct incorrect information about The Jason Lewis Show and Jason Lewis (radio host) pages. I have already been told by an admin that I cannot get a name change because I made it clear that my only intention was to edit those pages and I was told I am forbidden to make edits to those pages now or in the future. I have no need or desire to edit anything else. So I cannot make the changes, therefore, a name change is a futile. Again. I have asked to have this account deleted, and it was denied. I have no interest in making edits. Would you want to be slapped in the face and then come back for a second round. Sorry, I am not interested in being abused, even if it is online. I appreciate your attempt to help. I wish I could meet you in person to say thanks and shake your hand, so you know I am sincere. But at this time, you probably have more important things to do than to try to help in a situation that is already gone too far. Thank you though for your help.

Jeremy- I had no idea. and again this makes it all the more confusing to have two admins saying different things. Blah. I gave up.
 * Administrators are hardly a united group. What one admin believes is a good solution isn't one for another admin. And again, we can't delete accounts for both technical (the option does not exist in MediaWiki) and legal (The licensing requires we have a list of all authors of each page) reasons. What can be done is to rename your account to a random string of letters and numbers to at least preserve what remains of your dignity, and if I could push for it I would. This entire situation has been disgraceful for all parties involved, particularly your bosses and Wikipedia's admins. — Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 18:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Jeremy- I have my dignity. I am not worried about it. Disgraceful- my boss? Hardly. They just wanted incorrect information to be resolved. That is not disgraceful. I told them it was done and then when they went there they saw it was not changed (my edits had been reverted) and when I found out I was banned and blocked they believed I had done something wrong that would get the company in a legal situation. That is not disgraceful. It is my job to do what I was instructed to do and my job to make sure I do it in a correct manner. I made a mistake in not understanding the complexity of WP. Being indefinitely blocked and banned without any real interaction and having the edits reverted is not disgraceful but it was done in a manner that to a newbie came across as rude and unhelpful. But we have already hashed this all out above. I do not even begin to understand how this WP works or how it is operated. I would have thought the admins had very strict guidelines and worked as a unified front. Considering the strict guidelines they have for editing. I don't even know who any admins are. And to this day- no response from the OTRS group or committee. Like I said, I gave up. And I have already been informed they don't delete accounts. And I won't be using it for anything anyway- so I didn't understand why it even mattered since there is no content from this account that is being used. So it will just exist as a empty unused account. That is no problem.

FloNight- "*Genesis Communications Network, I unblocked your account yesterday. " That is interesting because when I log in, it shows that it is still blocked. But it can remain blocked, that is ok.