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Proposed deletion of Fahmi Salem Said Al Sani


The article Fahmi Salem Said Al Sani has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Seems like a classic case of WP:BLP1E to me....all of these articles should be merged/redirected to an appropriate Guantanomo article.

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Nomination of Habib Noor for deletion
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Nomination of Assem Matruq Mohammad al Aasmi for deletion
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Nomination of Mahrar Rafat Al Quwari for deletion
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Nomination of Abdel Hadi Mohammed Badan Al Sebaii Sebaii for deletion
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Nomination of Farhi Saeed bin Mohammed for deletion
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Nomination of Sameur Abdenour for deletion
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Nomination of Ahmed Ould Abdel Aziz for deletion
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Nomination of Walid Said Bin Said Zaid for deletion
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Edit summary redlink
Hi! Your recent edit summaries contain a red link User:Geo Swan/Redirecting Guantanamo captives articles to the list articles on their nationalities. I suggest you create a redirect there to the actual page you'd like me to read. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:41, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Sabar Lal Melma.jpg)
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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Ahmed Belbacha.jpg


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Nomination of Muhammed al-Darbi for deletion
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 * I'm surprised this AfD didn't get relisted and went strait to deletion. It seems to me that X-ray makes a point of nominating lightly sourced detainee articles and stubs and then grouping better articles together with that one (often with a disregard for whether their inclusion is germaine to the original AfD or not). I'm tempted to take these to Deletion review or Administrators' noticeboard but I don't know that I have the energy to do it. These are real borderline cases of notability and/or bad-faith edits. What do you think? --Joshuaism (talk) 15:31, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your interest.


 * I left a message for the closing administrator. Geo Swan (talk) 09:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Salim Suliman Al Harbi for deletion
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Moheb Ullah Borekzai
Hi Geo, i saw you added “DoD claims he returned to supporting terrorism” to this biography. I do not think that is the case. Could you please point me to the relevant reference or correct the error? Gyrojeff (talk) 00:10, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. Moheb Ullah Borekzai, or something like this, is how the Associated Press transliterated his name.  The DoD never used this transliteration.  It is pretty common for the DoD to never actually learn to use the captives actual names.  They called him "Mohibullah" or "Muhebullah", or "mohib ullah".


 * He wasn't the only captive the DoD held in Guantanamo named Mohibullah, or reasonable equivalent. If you check page 5 of http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.miamiherald.com%2Fsmedia%2F2009%2F05%2F27%2F20%2Frecidivists.source.prod_affiliate.56.pdf&date=2009-05-29 you will see that a captive named Muhibullah, repatriated in July 2005, was suspected of recidivism.  It is the July 2005 that clinches it.  It you check Guantanamo release timeline, you will see that eight captives were repatriated in July 2005.  Seven of them were repatriated on 2005-7-19.  Two of them were Afghans.  We know Afghan Habib Rasool was repatriated with Moheb Ullah Borekzai.  So, when the DoD says he was repatriated with "Muhibullah", we know this is the Mohibullah whose real name was Moheb Ullah Borekzai.


 * What does this mean? I think it means no corrections are necessary.  Were you thinking some kind of rewrite was in order?  What did you have in mind?


 * Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 00:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you, for explaining about name differences although i understood this already form reading the article.


 * You say: "No problem" but i think it is a big problem as your claim could negatively affect the life of this person. Extraordinary negative claims like this can have extreme negative impact on the life of people.


 * Looking at the given references, to me it seems to be clear that they do not support your claim “DoD claims he returned to supporting terrorism”. Nor do other sources support this. You still do not see the problem? Gyrojeff (talk) 01:42, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * It is not my claim. It is US intelligence analysts who first made these claims of recidivism.  If you don`t think the DIA claimed this you might find it worthwhile to try reading those references again.


 * I suggest that whether you or I don`t find the DIA claims convincing is irrelevant since RS have analyzed this claim, and repeated this claim.


 * As to whether it is best for individuals like Borekzai, and the other individuals named as recidivists, for the wikipedia to be silent about the RS that repeat and extend this claim. Has it occurred to you that it would be in these individuals best interest to have a source trusted for its neutrality and balance give a neutral and balanced coverage of the claims...  You reached your own conclusion.  Why wouldn`t you trust that the wikipedia`s readers to draw their own conclusions...


 * I`ll be frank. A former contributor, User:Iqinn, who was indefinitely blocked for edit warring, voiced exactly the same concerns you just voiced.  One of the individuals who used the Iqinn ID used exactly the same wording you used.


 * I`ll be frank, I can`t help wondering whether you aren`t one of the individuals who used that ID.


 * If you are one of the individuals behind the Iqinn ID I will remind you of what I wrote on your former talk page. Although I could just ignore your views, I won`t do that.  So long as you are civil, and respectful, and what you write makes sense I will take your concerns into account.  Although we often disagreed I never thought you were wrong 100 percent of the time.


 * If you are Iqinn I`d advise you to abide by your block. There are other WMF projects, and other non-WMF wikis.  There is no reason why you shouldn`t feel free to contribute there.  You claimed to be fluent in 6 languages.  Well you remain free to contribute at the wikis for those other 5 languages.


 * If you want to share your insights and concerns with me you can email me. I`ll respond on your talk page.  Alternately, leave your comments on your talk page, and send me a heads-up via email, and I will respond there.  Geo Swan (talk) 04:01, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Your wall of words do not make sense to me. I have ask other people for help Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard (archived) as you could not provide a reference that would support this negative claim. Gyrojeff (talk) 04:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Update -- Gyrojeff was blocked as a sockpuppet of User:Iqinn. Geo Swan (talk) 12:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)