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Re: Greetings!
Thanks for your comment about User:Timeshifter/Unchecked admin misconduct. I don't know if we have crossed paths before. I wouldn't be surprised if we had. I am currently seeking comment on this thread if you are interested:
 * Village pump (proposals)

Current discussion concerns the revised proposal:
 * Village pump (proposals) --Timeshifter (talk) 22:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Former Guantanamo captive Saleh al-Zuba, in Yemen.jpg)
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Algerian war
See User:Geo Swan/Comparison of Iraq War to the Algerian War. Hope you can pull up enough stuff to bring it in line with policy. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As the nominator, I admit I may have been a bit reckless on this one. I took the article to AFD to get some more eyes on it, but to be honest I wasn't really expecting a 'delete' outcome. Perhaps that wasn't the right answer: with the OR material removed, it looks much better. I'm still ambivalent on whether there's really enough to justify having an article on the subject, but there is some useful material there which could have been kept or merged somewhere. If you think it's worth keeping this article, I suggest you do what you can to find more sources on the subject and improve it, then take to WP:DRV. Good luck. Robofish (talk) 19:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Re Ralph Kohlmann
Hi Geo Swan. The article had already been userfied to User:Geo Swan/Review/Ralph Kohlmann in September 2008. At that time, the current mainspace article had already been rewritten, so the edit history would be completely jumbled if the page histories were merged. As such, I recommend handling this using parallel versions instead, simply by dropping a note on the talk page. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 16:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Muhammed Qasim for deletion
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Nomination of Mohammed Ouali for deletion
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Nomination of Muhammad Hussein Ali Hassan for deletion
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Nomination of Mohammed Kamin for deletion
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Nomination of Gholam Ruhani for deletion
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Nomination of Abdul Zahir (Guantanamo Bay detainee 753) for deletion
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Nomination of Mohammed Mussa Yakubi for deletion
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Nomination of Gul Zaman for deletion
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Nomination of Nahir Shah for deletion
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Nomination of Habib Rahman (detainee) for deletion
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Nomination of Jamal Abdullah Kiyemba for deletion
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Nomination of Muhamed Hussein Abdallah for deletion
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Nomination of Oybek Jamoldinivich Jabbarov for deletion
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Nomination of Abdul Ghappar Abdul Rahman for deletion
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MfD nomination of User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/habeas/Mohabat Khan v. Bush
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MfD nomination of User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/habeas/Civil Action No. 08-5424
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MfD nomination of User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/habeas/Civil Action No. 08-cv-1230
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Nomination of Salahidin Abdulahat for deletion
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Nomination of Akhdar Qasem Basit for deletion
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Nomination of Ahmed Mohamed (Guantanamo Bay detainee) for deletion
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Nomination of Bahtiyar Mahnut for deletion
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Nomination of Hozaifa Parhat for deletion
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Nomination of Omar Rajab Amin for deletion
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Nomination of Mohammad Gul (Guantanamo detainee) for deletion
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MfD nomination of User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/habeas/Sliti v. Bush
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MfD nomination of User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/habeas/Sohail v. Bush
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Deletion Review of Muhammed Qasim
I requested a deletion review of Muhammed Qasim as I saw that the bushranger had deleted the history of the page after the AfD was closed as a redirect. Someone has already commented that it was G7'd on your request. I'm surprised if that is the case, but if it is not the case you should definitely respond at Deletion_review/Log/2012_August_17. Actually you should probably respond at the deletion review either way. If you requested the deletion, can you respond so I can understand your reasoning? Thanks! --Joshuaism (talk) 15:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

AN/I
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.— S Marshall T/C 09:12, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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Formal topic ban proposal
I have added a new section in the current ANI discussion: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Fram (talk) 13:27, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hello, umm, no offence, but why are there soooooooooooo many AFD's on your talk page. It is nice to meet you all the same.--HelloWorldTestAccount (talk) 18:09, 26 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.88.135.107 (talk)

Barnstar
Hey man I haven't got much of an opinion over what's been happening, other than I find your ability to keep your cool inspirational. Many people would have lost it or walked away by now. Cheers,  Phnom Pencil  talk contribs 20:47, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

AfD closures
My apologies for not realising you haven't been notified of the discussion. I guess if you have arguments for keeping the articles which you would've presented had you been notified of the AfD, then you can try WP:DRV citing that due process has been violated when User:DBigXray filed the AfD. Deryck C. 22:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Salim Suliman Al Harbi (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/Mohamed Anwar Kurd

AnI Question
How long would it take you to bring an article thatyou created and was deleted back up to a standard where It could pass an AfD? Tazerdadog (talk) 01:49, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Short answer -- about six hours.


 * Long answer?


 * Those articles fall into different groups:


 * 1) The least well-known captives articles can not be rewritten or updated to meet today's more stringent standards, as today's more stringent standards require a more stringent quality of references, and for the least well-known captives those references don't exist.
 * 2) A number of the articles on Guantanamo captives were in a state that was hard to defend when DBigXray started his campaign, either because they hadn't undergone a much needed update/rewrite, or because they had been inappropriately gutted -- yet they merited being kept as separate articles, either due to the good quality references that had been inappropriately gutted, or due to newer good quality references, that hadn't been incorporated into the articles.  These are the one that I think would take me six to twelve hours to rewrite/update to a state where I think they could sail through a fair-minded afd.
 * 3) The most notable captives, like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Omar Khadr have been kept sufficiently up to date, and while there are a few people who would delete those too, most people would not agree to deleting them, even if someone stimulated a rythymn where contributors get into a mob mentality and stop actually giving each article a separate fair evaluation.


 * What percentage of the articles fall into each group? First, I know that this is not for me to decide.  Mine is just one voice in the discussion.


 * I tried -- unsuccessfully it appears -- to stimulate a discussion of where the dividing line should be between those captives who merit individual articles, and those who don't.


 * DBigXray's nominations included captives who faced war crimes charges. While I understand that the dozen or self-identified military experts who always vote delete don't accept that facing war crimes charges makes one a notable individual, I don't think this view would be shared among the wider wikipedia community.


 * Thanks for your interest. Geo Swan (talk) 21:02, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You might want to take a look at the most recent section in the ANI debate in that case. I got an admin to name a few specific articles that he thinks are representative of your work.  I'm pushing to get it all moved to the incubator, as I think that this is the best place for most of them at this time. Tazerdadog (talk) 21:38, 30 August 2012 (UTC)