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Brides of ISIL - Statistics
Hi ,

Thanks once again for your edits on the article Brides of ISIL. Just a friendly reminder once again, when entering a new row, please make sure to also update the table in the Statistics section appropriately to update the numbers for the Home Countries of the new entries.

Thanks!

Kvwiki1234 (talk) 01:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crede_Bailey
Could you go back to Crede Bailey and clean up your cites? I removed a Prod there, but those errors are a mess. I didn't want to remove sources that you are maybe planning on using. Could you address? Hobit (talk) 16:20, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I am having computer problems today. I plan to go back to that article as soon as I get them sorted out.  Geo Swan (talk) 16:46, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

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Draft:John P. Cotter‎
I don't suppose you'd like to take a run at this one, being one of the more notable Day Pitney predecessor alumni? Cheers! BD2412 T 03:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Since he held an important State office, IMO, he measures up to WP:POLITICIAN.  It is called POLITICIAN, but, IMO, it applies to all officeholders, even those who are not politicians.


 * So, I think you can just move it to article space. I don't use draft space.  Is one allowed to do that?


 * Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 04:20, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I would hope so. I have about 1200 drafts on state supreme court justices, though most contain no more than their dates of service. I usually advance three or four per week to mainspace. BD2412  T 04:54, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I put John P. Cotter‎ on my watchlist. Geo Swan (talk) 05:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can't knock it out tomorrow, then. BD2412  T 05:12, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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"First X candidate"
Firstly, every candidate in every election always gets some degree of media coverage, because the media are obliged to give equal time to all candidates in elections taking place within their coverage area — so the mere existence of some campaign coverage is not in and of itself a WP:GNG pass for a candidate that would exempt her from having to pass WP:NPOL. As I've often pointed out, if the existence of campaign coverage were in and of itself enough to exempt a candidate from having to pass NPOL, then every candidate would be exempted from having to pass NPOL, so NPOL itself would be meaningless because nobody would ever have to pass it at all anymore. For a candidate to earn an article on the basis of her candidacy alone, without having to win the seat first, the test she has to pass is not "campaign coverage exists" — it is "there is a credible reason why her candidacy should be considered so uniquely important that even if she loses and never accomplishes another notable thing as long as she lives, people will still need the article to exist ten years from now anyway". Simply put, a candidate's campaign coverage has to explode to Christine O'Donnell proportions before candidacy alone is grounds for an article. But being the first candidate of an underrepresented group is not, in and of itself, such a claim, and Madinah Wilson-Anton's depth and range of coverage has not reached the necessary bar.

Secondly, the news article you posted to my talk page comes from a university student newspaper, which is not a WP:GNG-building source. Student newspapers can be used as supplementary sourcing for stray facts after GNG has already been covered off by stronger sources, but do not count toward the initial question of whether GNG has been passed in the first place.

Thirdly, "first X candidate" is not actually the same thing as "will be the first X representative if she wins" — the latter is not, in and of itself, a priori proof that there weren't other X candidates before her who lost their elections. And if Wilson-Anton loses, then the claim resets and the next Muslim candidate to run after her will again be able to claim that they will be the first Muslim representative if they win. And incidentally, the student newspaper link does not ascribe her with firstness at all: it just ascribes her with candidacy, and says nothing whatsoever about her candidacy representing a historic first.

So no, "will be the first X holder of this office if she wins" is not in and of itself a reason why a candidate would get an article, just for being a candidate, before winning. Bearcat (talk) 15:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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