User talk:Geoff Leaf

Disputing accuracy and bias of a protected page
Is it possible to get help in disputing the factual accuracy and bias of a wiki page, and suggest a possible re?

Details are this: Page: Human Rights URL: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights Disputes: 1) This page is too broad and attempts to coverneverything from history and philosophy to disputed and developing rights. 2) This page should be split to ensure that the topic isn't monopolized and misused. 3) For example in the Substantive Rights section, it classes the Right To Bear Arms as a human right. However this is not universal (it is highly US centric), highly politicised, and highly prone to misuse and misquotation. 4) Also the academic research justifying the 'right' to bear arms is factually incorrect. The author cites philosophy of morality not if defence or arms, but frames it in a way that makes it sound like Aristotle hard argued for the right to bear arms. It also fails to recognise that the 'right to bear arms' is a legal right (not a human right), and that per the US Constitution only applies to 'well-regulated militia', not the general public, and is therefore not valid as a general human right.

I could go on, but the fact is that while all the above debates are valid and important, putting it all into a single locked page, creates bias, confusion, and factual inaccuracies.

I'd propose the page is split into three separate pages. Page 1. Philosophy and History of Human Rights [as a concept in philosophy, religion, law, and culture], Page 2. Universally Accepted Human Rights [rights that are legally enshrined and enforced in most countries with the exceptions], and Page 3. Human Rights Debates and Developments [which can be used for guns, arms, pro life, pro choice, internet access, etc]>

Protect Pages 1 and 2. Keep page 3 open for editing and disputation.

I would also recommend creating separate pages for detailed debates that link to Page 3, so that Page 3 can provide a factual high level summary without being overrun on one particular topic.

Look forward to responses. Geoff Leaf (talk) 07:01, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Administrators on Wikipedia are users with specific additional userrights, and that's not really what you need here. The correct procedure would be to go to the article's talkpage - at Talk:Human rights - and propose your changes there. You can then discuss your ideas with other editors who work on that article, and establish a consensus that satisfies all parties. You don't need an administrator to do this for you, you simply need to have a discussion with the community. Yunshui 雲 水 13:18, 20 February 2018 (UTC)