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Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (January 18)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Le Musée royal (January 21)
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Theroadislong (talk) 18:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Le Musée royal
I have done a lot of editing to the draft, based on how I understood the content of the first two references, but if I wrongly understood what those presented, I leave it to you to make the necessary corrections. Were any volumes published during the perion of Le Musée Napoléon? David notMD (talk) 11:50, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Is this where to dialogue? In case it is, let me thank you for your interest and your attention. There's not much about this software that I understand. I hope the following "Wall of words" is not regarded as argumentative, as I clearly need your assistance.

I'm OK with everything here. But would prefer removing the heading "Creation History." The publication's somewhat generic title "Musee francais" needs the association with Pierre Laurent for identification -- consequently, I need to propose the title "'Le Musee francais' by Pierre Laurent" and clarify his association in an opening paragraph. Isthere any eason why you have eliminatedthe links from his name and Robillard de Peronville to Wikipedia.fr? I'm hoping to edit both of those article if this one is posted.

Secondly, there's a lot more to be said on the subject of the origin and production of the publcation, which I'm hoping to add to this stub if it is posted, under headings such as "Origin" and "Production". The heading "Creation History" is redundant to these.

Your modification of Henri Laurent's title is very well meaning, but not appropriate as it implies that he was director of the Museum's office La Chalcographie -- which was NOT the case -- so I'm changing it back; the additional wording is merely pomp for director of this publication.

Also, your note of volumes and publication dates is incorrect, despite its basis in RA cataloging. The publication (both of the 2 series) did not appear in volumes but rather in fascicles -- each fascicle contained 4 plates each of which was intended to appear in a separate volume, with the consequence that the 4th volume was not complete until the last fascicle was issued, repectively, spring of 1812 and Feb. 1824. George-Amherst (talk) 18:01, 27 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, your Talk page to reply to me, the article's talk page if there ends up being comments from other editors there. Making a comment on someone's Talk page gets their attention automatically. If on your own Talk page or the article's, then 'ping' them by putting u|their user name inside double curley brackets . Please correct everything I got wrong. My knowledge of things France consists of one business trip to Paris. Yes, short paragraphs help. As for their names, in English Wikipedia they showed up as red Wikilinks, meaning that an English article did not exist. If articles exist about them at Wikipedia.fr, there is a means to indicate that. But it's not essential to getting your English draft approved. Question: The RA references specifically refer to volumes and years. If you intend to change that, will need reliable source references. Good luck. David notMD (talk) 20:57, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Source references for correcting the RA cataloging are not hard to come by -- but rather voluminous: contemporary news postings; McKee's thesis has them in an appendix extending over 7 pp., which could be referenced here, but it has already been discredited by reviewers. However, the RA cataloging references it(!) What the RA cataloguing records is title pages, not actual issue; librarians have to record what's on title pages, because this is what is cited in practice to identify a work, and that what librarians do. In any case, the work in question is bound in volumes with title pages, but it was issued in fascicles. Binding was subsequent to issue. The subject is a can of worms. I think there's a copy of McKee'sthesis on Proquest.

Remove text
The following sentence appears to be your own thinking. If so, it has no reason to be in the article. "Today, they offer an opportunity to appreciate and compare the diversity of styles of engraving, with and without the assistance of etching and stipple, employed to represent in print the finest examples of narrative painting, portrature and landscape -- and also classical sculpture -- in the historical era preceeding the invention of photography."

Good luck with the next reviewer. David notMD (talk) 12:12, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again for your interest. While I disagree with your comment, I have modified the text to try to clarify that I am merely indicating the nature of the contents. Please check it out. Also, I've provided an additional reference to documentation of the dates of publication of the individual fascicles, responding to your concern on this subject. George-Amherst (talk) 17:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This "The engravings were very admired when they appeared and show a diversity of styles, with and without the assistance of etching and stipple, used to represent in print the finest examples of narrative painting, portrature and landscape -- and also classical sculpture -- in the historical era preceeding the invention of photography." is still an unreferenced sentence that in my opinion risks the draft being Declined again. David notMD (talk) 18:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Is today's clarification an improvement? George-Amherst (talk) 18:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Le Musée royal has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Le Musée royal. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 17:06, 29 January 2022 (UTC) The referencing for admiration of the engravings is the subject of the following paragraph -- perhaps, its relationship with thisbasicdescription would be a reason not to separate the following paragraph with a separate heading. Thanks for your interest ...
 * In my opinion, removing the heading that I added to make clear that the positive commentary was contemporary to the publication increases the likelihood that this will be Declined again. David notMD (talk) 18:47, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

I think the heading clarifies the presentation ... thanks for suggesting it.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Le Musée royal (January 31)
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Theroadislong (talk) 18:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Le Musée français of Pierre Laurent has been accepted
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Thank you for your work
I wanted to thank you for your work on the article Le Musée français of Pierre Laurent. I however do wish to ask you to please not link the french articles inside of the article text. The reason for this is we don't want the English readers to be confused on why they have begun reading an English article all of sudden have been shifted to a French one. This is laid out in WP:IWL McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 23:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate the assistance I've received. To understand more clearly what you've said ... you do not want active links in the text to non-English information. Presumably, then, I would cite this information in footnotes ...

Btw I don't understand the note that the article needs "additional or more specific categories." I have more information to add.
 * I have only just discovered via a Google search that the engravings consist of "tableaux, statues and bas-reliefs", the article does not make this clear at all, perhaps you would be able to add some detail about the actual engravings subject matter. Theroadislong (talk) 18:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

This is what reproductive engravings are ... depictions of paintings and sculptures. I'll try to find a way to clarify this, but I believe the opening line of the second section states it explicitly. To post some examples would clarify this. How may I proceed to do this George-Amherst (talk) 19:10, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Pierre-François Laurent
I have just created a stub for Pierre-François Laurent and thought you would most likely be able to add to it. Theroadislong (talk) 21:52, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Let me give this some thought. Is anything needed in the next several weeks?  Don't you think it would be more appropriate to add to the article in Wikipedia.fr?  This has been my plan, eventually. — Preceding unsigned comment added by George-Amherst (talk • contribs)
 * You can add to the French article but it would do no good for the English readers that are on the English Wikipedia. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 23:05, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I'd like to add an image to the Pierre Laurent page ... George-Amherst (talk) 04:41, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

February 2022
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Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 17:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Overlooked doing this George-Amherst (talk) 17:36, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

March 2022
Hello, George-Amherst, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. Your editing pattern indicates that you may be using multiple accounts or coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia, such as. Our policy on multiple accounts usually does not allow this, and users who misuse multiple accounts may be blocked from editing. If you operate multiple accounts directly or with the help of another person, please disclose these connections. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 21:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I replied to this question on Practice2learn Talk page. There has been no effort to deceive.  The second account was set up by a friend to assist in posting the table.  Is this forbidden?  Am I being persecuted? George-Amherst (talk) 22:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Citing your own work is rather frowned upon here Theroadislong (talk) 21:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I have no conflict of interest with the subject of this article. It is not about me or anyone I know.  And I have no institutional affliations whatsoever, being unemplyed and not seeking employment.  And by the way, I'm not in trade or trying to sell something, either.   I have, on the other hand, written extensively on the subject in authoritative research journals.  Also, I am trying to utilize a widely cited Masters thesis, which seems to acceptable to authorities at the V&A, the Bibliotheque nationale de France and the Fondation Custodia in Paris -- in view of this, why is my use of the thesis repeatedly questioned by the editors at Wikipedia?  George-Amherst (talk) 22:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * SeeSELFCITE it is considered self promotion and spamming. Theroadislong (talk) 22:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe my use of my previous publications is within reason ... "allowed within reason, but only if it is relevant, conforms to the content policies, including WP:SELFPUB, and is not excessive. Citations should be in the third person and should not place undue emphasis on your work".  George-Amherst (talk) 22:21, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

June 2022
Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Charles Clément Balvay. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

How to crate a new page?
There is a page in my Sandbox which has been posted. How do I create a new page? I.e., how do I clear the sandbox?George-Amherst (talk) 17:38, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I have deleted the re-direct in your sandbox for you. User:George-Amherst/sandbox. Theroadislong (talk) 17:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

October 2022
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:The Engravings of Le Musée français and Le Musée royal, from its old location at User:George-Amherst/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 02:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your attention to this in October. I've been contacting the draft through the link you provided when you moved it.  However, I'm not able to go to it directly.  I do not find the button for retrieving drafts on the Advanced Search page.  Can you assist ? George-Amherst (talk) 20:23, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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 * ?? -- I'm trying to make links to images on WikiCommons. I've also removed some external links because I was informed they are not acceptable.  I don't even know what you're referring to ... George-Amherst (talk) 00:20, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * This "draft" was removed from the sandbox by one of your colleagues because it was said to be inappropriate for the sandbox. I was told to remove the external links which you have restored.  Obviously, your contradiction of the action of other editors is a cause for question.  Shall I just send it to the Teahouse in these terms? George-Amherst (talk) 00:32, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia links
Before you spend hours creating Wiki links please note we only link once to an article (the first mention) we don't link multiple times. Theroadislong (talk) 20:19, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * This rule doesn'tmake a lot of sense with a table, such as I am editing, where the instances or mentions are encountered independently of one another. May one suppose that rules such as this will be applied with common sense? George-Amherst (talk) 20:25, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

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